I'm in the UK and I own a car and drive lots of places but I also use the trains and occasionally catch a bus. The freedom to use all of these is proper freedom...
Except public transport patrons bear much more of the full cost of their journeys than do car drivers, which isn't fair on those unable to drive or who can't afford the upfront cost of purchasing a car
Get bad drivers off the roads, they don’t want to be driving and shouldn't be forced to, anti public transport doesn't make any sense, it only benefits everyone involved
Public transport should be so good that owning a car doesnt make financial sense As someone who lives in the Barcelona area all i can say is that for what it costs to refuel a car you can easily get a couple months or more of public transport
owning a car only makes sense to be able to go wherever you want whenever you want, but really good public transportation can allow for this. Public transportation is already cheaper than buying a car and maintaining and fueling, but its not conveinent and reliable just yet. BRT additions as long as Transit Oriented Development should help. I hope to move to a place that has good public transit one day so I wont need my car.
Car drivers are like house cats, irretrievably convinced of their own ferocious independence whilst hopelessly bound by a system they neither appreciate nor understand.
155h, that's nearly 168h, which is a week nonstop. imagine having a whole vacation week a year in traffic. this is almost doctor who level of absurd. (who knows that episode?)
A car costs ~6k - 10k per year. With 20 EUR / hour net that would be ~300 h that people need to work to earn enough for their car = 2 month or about 1/6h of their time working. I pay 365 EUR per year for a ~50km radius for all public transport.
In Russia it's about 200$ a year for public transport within your city and suburban villages. Can be a bit more in different regions. Even in Moscow public transport will cost you not more than 400-500$ a year. Not to mention, that traveling by metro (which in Moscow is absolutely amazing) is much safer and calmly than driving a car standing in the traffic jams about half of the time.
It costs the same to build 40 miles of highway as it does to fund the Essential Air Service program, which provides ~180 small communities with public air service to their nearest city.
Bear in mind too that more than half of all trips done by car or Motorbike in modern cities around the world are less than 3.5 miles, and therefore easily replaceable by E-Bike, E-Scooter, Light Rail or Bus if these modes were prioritised over cars. I dont know off the top of my head what the numbers are for US cities, but the majority of the populations in most countries live in cities too. So when we talk about giving people options, this should be the bread and butter of the trips we are trying to target, especially since most cities already have a few decent transit corridors and capture a reasonable amount of trips focused in serving downtown Job Centers. I think people get anxious they won't be able to escape the City to local parks and recreation areas but this is absolutely never going to be the Focus of expanded public and active Transit.
I have visited USA this year for the first time in my life. I was convinced that I needed to hire a car on Day 1! The distances are huge, you can't ride a bike or walk. I was too scared to take a bus...
Pretty much, it's just sad living in the US small city. :( In every Europe countries they have many alternative public transit routes such as train, tram/light train, bus, and metro/subway. Which was very efficient land and population density with mixed zoning between shop and house/apartment, whereas US don't have nice things in the suburban sprawl due to zoning laws and construction rules (disallowed more than 2 storeys with two staircases).
Sorry, I meant "small city", as where doesn't have more optional public transportation except greyhound buses (similar to "Regional bus" in EU) and very few limited train stops, I think?
That is why Oregon must create the Northwest Regional Transit instead of just Trimet for the 3 counties. Because Oregon should Have Clackamas Clatsop Columbia Hood River Lincoln Marion Multnomah Polk Tillamook Washington And Yamhill Counties.
2 hours per day when I lived in Amsterdam and worked in Apeldoorn. That's 10 hours per week for a full working week. So the figures at the start of the video sound very, very low to me for the US.
Here in Toronto we are so skilled at building transit that its taken 21 years to build a 15.9 km LRT line and it is still not open and its a billion dollars over budget. When it dopes open it will be over capacity by a factor of three. They are now looking at replacing the LRT with a subway at an approximate cost of 100 billion dollars based on the 13 billion it has so far cost to build the Eglington LRT and projecting it on the same timeline and cost scaled for inflation of ten percent a year. Our conservative provincial government has no problem spending huge amounts on unaccountable corporations that basically control the government. Its a perfect model of pure fascism where corporations own the government and decide what the governments priorities are and how they get implemented while ensuring the maximum amount of money gets given to them for their own corroborate profits.
@@selflesssamaritan6417 The difference between Russians and Americans is that Muscovites fought to stay in the city and not get sent to a 101km town. Americans would fight to get away from the city and live in a 101km town.
From an outside view, it seems like these last decades the US did everything possible to make public transport as difficult as possible to add, from making infrastructure that specifically excludes it and would need to be redone, to the overall layout of cities/suburbs, to "public consciousness" - I think what will realistically happen is either A)Nothing, B)Limited local efforts, C)Things will eventually reach their logical conclusion when stuff will get so bad/roads won't move/etc that emergency measures will be taken and suddenly "brilliant visionaries" will "discover" public transport as a solution, blame the problem on the US public instead of the lobby groups and make the public pay the bill for rebuilding the country
A big thing you should look into is the political nature of car dependency. Most moderates and Democrats drive as a matter of survival (it's usually the only safe option). Republicans are much more likely to use vehicles as status symbols. Many of them own 3 or more vehicles, and those vehicles are typically as big and/or powerful as possible. That's why infrastructure and policy changes away from car dependency are almost only seen in major cities or blue states. There's just a large percentage of the country that would rather sit in traffic for 2 hours a day than breathe the same air as someone else. I think you'll see a big uptake in public transit and cycling in the next few decades, but small cities and rural America will always be car dependent for reasons beyond logic.
Car dependency advocates are insane. They do not listen, they do not think, they do not care. You can tell them to their face that their driving experience will get better when more other people who aren't them are able to use other modes of transport more, and they will completely ignore you and keep preaching about their holy car dependency and how everything else is anti-freedom evil.
There's absolutely NOTHING WRONG WITH STREETCARS; they assist in removing hundreds of rubber tired/steering wheeled vehicles from our streets in crowded urban areas, making them noticeably safer.
Saying the same words, yet providing no ways of fixing them. Yes, saying how to fix them lets us peer into a possibility, but how will that be possible if people don't know how to actually change their cities, and voice their opinion to people who make decisions about urban planning and transportation.
It's called being an urbanist? Heard of NJB? Alan Fisher? Besides voting for politicians who want things to change, and going to local board meetings and blah blah blah, what else do you want him to do?
No I like my freedom to go where I please when I please. Get in my truck and go. Regardless if it costs me $15,000+ year vs a $1000 bus ticket . If anything we should be working towards cutting gov spending and keeping more money in people’s paychecks after tax’s.
EVERY red light, EVERY stop sign, EVERY traffic jam tells you that you AIN'T going where you please, when you please.... Btw, would you be as automobiliated as you presently are if you had to pay for a portion of your state's roads and stuperhighways out of your own pocket, in the form of special taxes directed at motorists and vehicle fleet owners ALONE?!
Never, ever say that public transit will result in less traffic. Because public transit very often fails to reduce traffic. because induced demand works both ways. For every car you take off a road with traffic, another car will just come in to fill it. The best way to reduce traffic is to improve distribution of traffic, usually by connecting cul-de-sacs and other dead ends. Also to add stores to neighborhoods so people dont have to drive to get every little thing they need. Public transit is still good, as it increases mobility but it doesn't really reduce car dependence or traffic. To do that, putting a convenience store or vending machine with daily necessities in every neighborhood would be quite nice.
No one’s reading all that, and don’t tell me what the fuck to say. Obviously just transit won’t reduce traffic. Transit oriented development is key. Go take your pedantic debate lord energy elsewhere. Goodbye.
So why is it that car ownership in is London 46% of households? That means that 54% of households don't own a car. 22% of British households have no car. Of course good public transport takes cars off the road.
@@archiebald4717 but there still is lots of traffic in London. As traffic usually comes not from the residents of the city, but from people outside the city. It takes some cars off the road, but that just enables people from farther out to have easier access to the city, so they will travel more often.
@@archiebald4717 even in my town here in the US where I walk everywhere, the people who live here walk around, and our traffic is mostly from suburbanites, rural people, and delivery trucks.
@@linuxman7777 80% of 1.1 million (880,000) commuting into London daily, do so by train. 5,000,000 passenger journeys are made on the Tube every day. If they all suddenly took to the road, it would be mayhem. Public transport matters a great deal. The Victorians opened the first underground train service in 1863, long before there were cars, they saw the need for public transport and they were right. The roads will never be totally without vehicles, but public transport relieves the pressure considerably. Denying that simple fact is foolish. I saw Bangkok before it had the Skytrain and the underground service. Those two services have totally changed Bangkok. However many roads, flyovers, underpasses were built prior to that, it took public transport to ease the congestion.
I'm in the UK and I own a car and drive lots of places but I also use the trains and occasionally catch a bus. The freedom to use all of these is proper freedom...
Except public transport patrons bear much more of the full cost of their journeys than do car drivers, which isn't fair on those unable to drive or who can't afford the upfront cost of purchasing a car
@@brendangarvin7787thats the UK problem of public transit fares being expensive. Not a problem in other countries, be it in Europe or Asia
uk public transport sucks tho, its very poor in coverage and quality compared to other countries
My favourite phrase about that is this: _"Slaved by cars wasn't in the list of American Dream."_
Get bad drivers off the roads, they don’t want to be driving and shouldn't be forced to, anti public transport doesn't make any sense, it only benefits everyone involved
You really don’t want to see Chinese or South American drivers lol you not ready
Public transport should be so good that owning a car doesnt make financial sense
As someone who lives in the Barcelona area all i can say is that for what it costs to refuel a car you can easily get a couple months or more of public transport
owning a car only makes sense to be able to go wherever you want whenever you want, but really good public transportation can allow for this. Public transportation is already cheaper than buying a car and maintaining and fueling, but its not conveinent and reliable just yet. BRT additions as long as Transit Oriented Development should help. I hope to move to a place that has good public transit one day so I wont need my car.
Car drivers are like house cats, irretrievably convinced of their own ferocious independence whilst hopelessly bound by a system they neither appreciate nor understand.
Don’t insult cats like that
This is by far the best analogy I’ve ever heard
THAT IS OFFENSIVE TO CATS!!! CATS ARE SACRED!!!!! HOW DARE YOU INSULT THEM??????
Isn’t enough transit so don’t complain about car drivers until more is in the us (I live in Australia)
155h, that's nearly 168h, which is a week nonstop.
imagine having a whole vacation week a year in traffic.
this is almost doctor who level of absurd.
(who knows that episode?)
Only 155? That's 3 hours per week. Way too low, I don't believe it.
@@iamTheSnark 5 day week, 40 minutes or so daily.
that's quite a lot for being daily.
but..but how will the ceos of exxon mobil or shell afford another yacht?
A car costs ~6k - 10k per year.
With 20 EUR / hour net that would be ~300 h that people need to work to earn enough for their car = 2 month or about 1/6h of their time working.
I pay 365 EUR per year for a ~50km radius for all public transport.
I did the math, so i calculate that I'd spend 1.150$ annually on a commuting in Japan.
In Russia it's about 200$ a year for public transport within your city and suburban villages. Can be a bit more in different regions. Even in Moscow public transport will cost you not more than 400-500$ a year. Not to mention, that traveling by metro (which in Moscow is absolutely amazing) is much safer and calmly than driving a car standing in the traffic jams about half of the time.
Good stuff bro
Thank you!
It costs the same to build 40 miles of highway as it does to fund the Essential Air Service program, which provides ~180 small communities with public air service to their nearest city.
Basedbasedbased
"We burn all the rail-carts and build big roads where cars can drive up and down all day long!"
(The soup-man from Roger Rabbit)
And they did it!
Bear in mind too that more than half of all trips done by car or Motorbike in modern cities around the world are less than 3.5 miles, and therefore easily replaceable by E-Bike, E-Scooter, Light Rail or Bus if these modes were prioritised over cars. I dont know off the top of my head what the numbers are for US cities, but the majority of the populations in most countries live in cities too.
So when we talk about giving people options, this should be the bread and butter of the trips we are trying to target, especially since most cities already have a few decent transit corridors and capture a reasonable amount of trips focused in serving downtown Job Centers. I think people get anxious they won't be able to escape the City to local parks and recreation areas but this is absolutely never going to be the Focus of expanded public and active Transit.
I have visited USA this year for the first time in my life. I was convinced that I needed to hire a car on Day 1! The distances are huge, you can't ride a bike or walk. I was too scared to take a bus...
Pretty much, it's just sad living in the US small city. :(
In every Europe countries they have many alternative public transit routes such as train, tram/light train, bus, and metro/subway. Which was very efficient land and population density with mixed zoning between shop and house/apartment, whereas US don't have nice things in the suburban sprawl due to zoning laws and construction rules (disallowed more than 2 storeys with two staircases).
Most US big cities have good mass transit. The video is talking about suburbs, not cities.
Sorry, I meant "small city", as where doesn't have more optional public transportation except greyhound buses (similar to "Regional bus" in EU) and very few limited train stops, I think?
That is why Oregon must create the Northwest Regional Transit instead of just Trimet for the 3 counties. Because Oregon should Have Clackamas Clatsop Columbia Hood River Lincoln Marion Multnomah Polk Tillamook Washington And Yamhill Counties.
Regional rail?
You can thank the automakers for this messaging.
As well as the energy corporations....
2 hours per day when I lived in Amsterdam and worked in Apeldoorn. That's 10 hours per week for a full working week. So the figures at the start of the video sound very, very low to me for the US.
Here in Toronto we are so skilled at building transit that its taken 21 years to build a 15.9 km LRT line and it is still not open and its a billion dollars over budget. When it dopes open it will be over capacity by a factor of three. They are now looking at replacing the LRT with a subway at an approximate cost of 100 billion dollars based on the 13 billion it has so far cost to build the Eglington LRT and projecting it on the same timeline and cost scaled for inflation of ten percent a year. Our conservative provincial government has no problem spending huge amounts on unaccountable corporations that basically control the government. Its a perfect model of pure fascism where corporations own the government and decide what the governments priorities are and how they get implemented while ensuring the maximum amount of money gets given to them for their own corroborate profits.
Here in Toronto we spend about 55 hours a Month in Traffic due to public transit construction and roads construction!
Soviet mikrodistric vs USA suburbia
"Socialism is when affordable vertical housing and not needing a car to go everywhere."
@@selflesssamaritan6417 The difference between Russians and Americans is that Muscovites fought to stay in the city and not get sent to a 101km town. Americans would fight to get away from the city and live in a 101km town.
They both suck
There is hope as long as there are people having insights like you. Hope you get similar company in greater numbers...
From an outside view, it seems like these last decades the US did everything possible to make public transport as difficult as possible to add, from making infrastructure that specifically excludes it and would need to be redone, to the overall layout of cities/suburbs, to "public consciousness" - I think what will realistically happen is either A)Nothing, B)Limited local efforts, C)Things will eventually reach their logical conclusion when stuff will get so bad/roads won't move/etc that emergency measures will be taken and suddenly "brilliant visionaries" will "discover" public transport as a solution, blame the problem on the US public instead of the lobby groups and make the public pay the bill for rebuilding the country
A big thing you should look into is the political nature of car dependency. Most moderates and Democrats drive as a matter of survival (it's usually the only safe option). Republicans are much more likely to use vehicles as status symbols. Many of them own 3 or more vehicles, and those vehicles are typically as big and/or powerful as possible. That's why infrastructure and policy changes away from car dependency are almost only seen in major cities or blue states. There's just a large percentage of the country that would rather sit in traffic for 2 hours a day than breathe the same air as someone else. I think you'll see a big uptake in public transit and cycling in the next few decades, but small cities and rural America will always be car dependent for reasons beyond logic.
Literally by your logic nothing should fundamentally change in fact we’d still be in fucking caves idiot
Car dependency advocates are insane. They do not listen, they do not think, they do not care. You can tell them to their face that their driving experience will get better when more other people who aren't them are able to use other modes of transport more, and they will completely ignore you and keep preaching about their holy car dependency and how everything else is anti-freedom evil.
What turns people's brains into mush is bad education. The education system in the USA is AWFUL.
Amazing video 💯 I love the lead theory :D
I appreciate it, trying to get comfortable speaking in front of the camera this way was very awkward, glad you enjoyed!
LA needs subways and ELs NOT streetcars no more please
This! At grade trains are slow and expensive, it’s a shame most transit enthusiasts support them.
@@Trainton235 They're STILL much cheaper than buses in the long run....
There's absolutely NOTHING WRONG WITH STREETCARS; they assist in removing hundreds of rubber tired/steering wheeled vehicles from our streets in crowded urban areas, making them noticeably safer.
those yacht don't buy themselves
I don't have a driver's licence, so I use PT for pretty much most of my trips. But I can see the benefits of driving...
It’s the lead!!!!
Saying the same words, yet providing no ways of fixing them. Yes, saying how to fix them lets us peer into a possibility, but how will that be possible if people don't know how to actually change their cities, and voice their opinion to people who make decisions about urban planning and transportation.
It's called being an urbanist? Heard of NJB? Alan Fisher?
Besides voting for politicians who want things to change, and going to local board meetings and blah blah blah, what else do you want him to do?
Public transportation fucking sucks in the usa
its very funny to watch this as a european
As Japanese I can just confirm
@@LeonidJP92 As a European living in Japan I can also confirm.
No I like my freedom to go where I please when I please. Get in my truck and go. Regardless if it costs me $15,000+ year vs a $1000 bus ticket .
If anything we should be working towards cutting gov spending and keeping more money in people’s paychecks after tax’s.
EVERY red light, EVERY stop sign, EVERY traffic jam tells you that you AIN'T going where you please, when you please....
Btw, would you be as automobiliated as you presently are if you had to pay for a portion of your state's roads and stuperhighways out of your own pocket, in the form of special taxes directed at motorists and vehicle fleet owners ALONE?!
Never, ever say that public transit will result in less traffic. Because public transit very often fails to reduce traffic. because induced demand works both ways. For every car you take off a road with traffic, another car will just come in to fill it. The best way to reduce traffic is to improve distribution of traffic, usually by connecting cul-de-sacs and other dead ends. Also to add stores to neighborhoods so people dont have to drive to get every little thing they need.
Public transit is still good, as it increases mobility but it doesn't really reduce car dependence or traffic. To do that, putting a convenience store or vending machine with daily necessities in every neighborhood would be quite nice.
No one’s reading all that, and don’t tell me what the fuck to say. Obviously just transit won’t reduce traffic. Transit oriented development is key. Go take your pedantic debate lord energy elsewhere. Goodbye.
So why is it that car ownership in is London 46% of households? That means that 54% of households don't own a car. 22% of British households have no car. Of course good public transport takes cars off the road.
@@archiebald4717 but there still is lots of traffic in London. As traffic usually comes not from the residents of the city, but from people outside the city. It takes some cars off the road, but that just enables people from farther out to have easier access to the city, so they will travel more often.
@@archiebald4717 even in my town here in the US where I walk everywhere, the people who live here walk around, and our traffic is mostly from suburbanites, rural people, and delivery trucks.
@@linuxman7777 80% of 1.1 million (880,000) commuting into London daily, do so by train. 5,000,000 passenger journeys are made on the Tube every day. If they all suddenly took to the road, it would be mayhem. Public transport matters a great deal. The Victorians opened the first underground train service in 1863, long before there were cars, they saw the need for public transport and they were right. The roads will never be totally without vehicles, but public transport relieves the pressure considerably. Denying that simple fact is foolish. I saw Bangkok before it had the Skytrain and the underground service. Those two services have totally changed Bangkok. However many roads, flyovers, underpasses were built prior to that, it took public transport to ease the congestion.