Nice video. I'm personally fine with current poise situation. I don't need them to catch up to charge IDs. I only need them to be viable and FUN! And it's always fun to see a single big damage number on your screen. While we are going to get more charge IDs as more natural progression of the game to get support to everything and not tied to some lore/conspiration theory, I expect PM to not make another W Ryoshu out of T Corp. I expected more ailments infliction/buff from T Corp than big giant number go boom. I'm always more for gameplay diversity.
Bro, poise is currently the best team fs. The dmage output from running merusalt, faust, don, per ish and heath and cinq sinclair or pirate gregor trumps charge, and they are honestly around the same speed. Rip space sometimes does more raw damage but greg can output better damage, bone claiming is insanely potent and, most of all, the poise team has a tank and they are all dps units, vs charge with 2-3 real dps units and no tank.
@@B3A5TorSomething Best team for what? Mirror Dungeon when currently we have event nodes that cleary favor BL, slash damage and pride damage? As soon it's gone, bloody mist team will return to be the top tier there. We can argue that Pirate Gregor is in the bloody mist team but that because of bleed, not poise. I would argue bloody mist team don't care about the bleed stack on the enemy anyway so I wouldn't put that as plus for bleed team. Railway? I yet to see someone beating it faster than rupture or charge. Maybe they can beat the first 1/3 faster but they have awful sin generation for EGO that will slowdown later stages even if you change IDs. You are assuming full charge team but charge(as well as poise) can be hybrid without disrupting their main gameplan. Just add R Cliff, Dieci Rodion, Dieci Hong Lu or whatever other generalist hyper Dps they can use and half of point fell apart. BL does require more pride skills so they are more restricted on that department. Also BL Don + Captain Ishmael is an awful combination. BL Don extra poise gain will always target captain ishmael and if you don't have EGO gift(which assume you can use this team only in MD) that raise your poise count, that is going to get wasted. You get so much more value with BL YiSang.
@@andrea0258hu I have done several MD hard runs and while avoiding all the specific gifts for BL and trying to hit normal nodes to test the team and it does an insane amount of damage, it very easily out damages charge. Too add to that, the sin generation is pretty bad but the team still doesn't struggle on Rail, I did a full rail run with the team and my first run was 72 turns. The only fight that was even difficult was gasharpoon because I was trying to save fluid sac ego resources for contempt. The team is good because it very easily deals with all content with no real need to even pay attention, at long as 3 pride are hit you usually just win every clash and the combination of Faust, merusalt and ish make the damage skyrocket while heath is... Himself, eating tons of damage while outputng insanity with the added poise, and Greg/cinq are just given more poise to act as the nukes they already are due to ish and don.
I think I am less doomed about him being good in only 1 team. Splashing him with Faust + Don or yi sang leaves half your team to do whatever other poise units you want. Specifically thinking of captain Ishmael. Although use that in mirror dungeon at your own discretion because managing so will be on you.
I like the theorycrafting that the new BL identities bring My current BL team is Kimsault, BL Faust, BL Don, BL Yi Sang, KK Hong Lu and Der Outis Heavily dependent on pride, sloth and wrath res
Personally, i like having 4 Blade Lineages(Meur, Faust who will help Ahabmael and ALSO gain the most benefit from her due to her skill 1 deal WAY more damage than you think, Don if you are running BL Outside of MD but her Skill 1 is too good not to have compared to BL Sinclair and Outis, Yi Sang who clash super insane, his skill 1 might aswell be a skill 3) Cinq Sinclair(Gluttony on skill 1 and evade, high speed and high clashing, makes big Poise Count gain all on his own, Pride Skill 2 for Absolute Resonance, and Fragile Skill 3 thats also Lust affinity) Captain Ishmael(Pride Heavy Team so kinda obvious, also BL Faust is nice to have because she lets Ishmael who gains 0 Poise other than kills/staggers and Don, blossom lets her still able to Crit, also Assist Attack skill 1 for Faust is not a joke) Alternative Kuro Rodion(Gloom and Lust resource, also benefit from Don Poise Gain, surprisingly high clashing and a strong Counter) Cinq Outis(Gloom and Lust, high speed, HIGH EVADE AT A 18)
I feel so tilted. How do neither Twinhooks Gregor nor Pequod Yi Sang come up when talking about "Poise payoffs"? Or how good Gregor's Poise gain is (though he might still need BL Sang's support passive), how is he not even talked about when you single out the Season 3 IDs? Am I missing something?
I knew I forgot someone when mentionning Ryoshu in 00, which was Yi Sang, so mb for that one. For 3 stars I didn't mention all payoffs though, I was mainly talking about gain and maintenance and mentionned the payoff for the ones I did mention, but yeah Twinhook Gregor probably has in the higher ones with high bleed potency too. But even if he does gain quite a bit of poise potency, it means he might use it on random crits, and his count gain isn't higher than the others, so he needs support from BL Yi Sang at minimum. His main problem being that Bleed is not in a great state, and that his infliction is ok but unreliable as well. Btw his passive can make bonuses scale very high, so he does have value for later IDs maybe.
@Alpha Rather than Bleed support, I was more referring to his S3 being one of the best nuke skills in the game at peak performance. I'm pretty sure it easily outdamages Rip Space, unless there's some nuance to the damage formula I'm completely misunderstanding.
@@gantifandor7593Yeah I understood dw, and it does outdamage Rip Space with a crit on both hits if at 21+ poise by about 20-30%. But what I meant is that's only a part of his conditions, and a part of his potential is locked in the bleed archetype with skill 1 and 2. If you remove it it's a basic poise ID without bonuses outside skill 3. And getting 21+ poise with enough count is not easy outside MD, and it can take a lot of time, not mentionning building the passive. So yes it's strong, I've used it myself, but still very unreliable without enough support. And BL Yi Sang is barely enough imo. But in the video I just didn't make a one by one review of poise payoffs, especially for 000, but I guess I would have put him in the higher ends sure. Also there's been quite a bit of powercreep this season so it's a bit hard to say what is stronger. But I'll do a season ranking video for that anyway.
@@thegoldenraysoftheglorious1180Maybe. For Pequodsang it's so annoying to get it to work though. Also Meursault TCTB has insane rewards, and Queecliff and BL Faust Bleed doesn't seem like much directly but have very high potential.
I see captain ishmael mentioned a lot and while i kinda get it, i cant help but wonder if shes not the best id to run along a blade linage team if your going only don, faust, and meursault. Ideally you want your other units to generate enough poise so that don can cover bad turns, and ishmael just doesnt generate her own poise well enough, making her take poise from other allies. Still probably a decent combo, but might not be optimal.
I run that quartet for luxcavations at least and it works exceedingly well. BL Meursault funnels all his ally gains into Faust and Don, and Captain Ishmael's primary role is supporting them back via Assist Attack, 4x Pride Absolute Resonance + her S2 for the Damage Up and Pride Power Up, and finishing off weakened targets with her S3 while having her passive up for SP and Poise support. She also has a Pride Defense to provide resonance all the time. While she herself won't have too much Poise outside of Mirrors, I find she's still an excellent support for BL.
Captain Ishmael's role isn't damage dealer, it's support. She doesn't need Poise, she's here to provide others with it. And outside of directly giving poise, Skill 2 with Assist Attack is great to allow Poise allies using another skill 1, which often provides Poise, as well as supplementary damage. She also helps with Pride synergy, which is very important in BL teams. I guess she might take poise, but that's only from Don, not Meur, and she can kind of give it back. Plus if it's not her it would be someone else, and her role is still incredibly important imo.
If you are playing a in MD, that team is perfectly fine as long you get Poise EGO gift that help captain ishmael. Outside of that, you will have don's poise gain get wasted on Captain Ishmael. You are not going to gamble on a 10% crit chance. Worse if Don is slower than Captain Ishmael. You get much more value by playing Yi Sang instead. Captain Ishmael value, as many have already mentioned, come from assist attack. Assist attack con BL Sault skill 1 is a massive +3/+3 poise to your other 2 BL units. BL Yi only get +3/+2 on himself but it's still decent for his poise count stacking and he have Meursaul homeland buff to further boost his damage with assist attack damage buff so his damage is not that far from BL Sault even if it's a single coin. BL Faust is the weakest for the team gameplan but it's technically the one that deal the most damage with skill 1 even if she miss pride damage boost so it's still not an awful hit. Pirate Gregor is also an amazing combo with captain Ishmael as Captain Ishmael inflict bleed on her skill 2 so Pirate Gregor can get 2 stack of his passive to get his max stack s3 sooner to burst your opponent. Cinq Don or Cinq Outis also are not bad for this team. It's unlikely for them to be slower than Captain Ishmael but if it happen, you can gain extra haste from declare duel and if it doesn't you have someone guaranteed to get 3 offense level from Captain Ishmael. I heavily favor Cinq Outis because her base EGO is one of few EGO that you can comfortably feed with the team. The pride team heavily struggle feeding most good EGO. She also produce gloom and lust making using fluid sack faust an option.
I doubt they add anything significant anymore (at least for this season), especially when you think they had to delay the next season, so they probably didn't plan for more important IDs or EGOs, this video also being a focus on the new BL IDs. I mentionned they might add an EGO or ID maybe, but it probably won't change the state of Poise too much. If it's a noteworthy addition I'll add a pinned comment, and I'll do a short review for it anyway. And also, I can't wait forever for every piece of content, and I have a full review and ranking video planned for the end of the season anyway.
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Nice video. I'm personally fine with current poise situation. I don't need them to catch up to charge IDs. I only need them to be viable and FUN! And it's always fun to see a single big damage number on your screen. While we are going to get more charge IDs as more natural progression of the game to get support to everything and not tied to some lore/conspiration theory, I expect PM to not make another W Ryoshu out of T Corp. I expected more ailments infliction/buff from T Corp than big giant number go boom. I'm always more for gameplay diversity.
Bro, poise is currently the best team fs. The dmage output from running merusalt, faust, don, per ish and heath and cinq sinclair or pirate gregor trumps charge, and they are honestly around the same speed. Rip space sometimes does more raw damage but greg can output better damage, bone claiming is insanely potent and, most of all, the poise team has a tank and they are all dps units, vs charge with 2-3 real dps units and no tank.
@@B3A5TorSomething Best team for what? Mirror Dungeon when currently we have event nodes that cleary favor BL, slash damage and pride damage? As soon it's gone, bloody mist team will return to be the top tier there. We can argue that Pirate Gregor is in the bloody mist team but that because of bleed, not poise. I would argue bloody mist team don't care about the bleed stack on the enemy anyway so I wouldn't put that as plus for bleed team.
Railway? I yet to see someone beating it faster than rupture or charge. Maybe they can beat the first 1/3 faster but they have awful sin generation for EGO that will slowdown later stages even if you change IDs.
You are assuming full charge team but charge(as well as poise) can be hybrid without disrupting their main gameplan. Just add R Cliff, Dieci Rodion, Dieci Hong Lu or whatever other generalist hyper Dps they can use and half of point fell apart. BL does require more pride skills so they are more restricted on that department.
Also BL Don + Captain Ishmael is an awful combination. BL Don extra poise gain will always target captain ishmael and if you don't have EGO gift(which assume you can use this team only in MD) that raise your poise count, that is going to get wasted. You get so much more value with BL YiSang.
@@andrea0258hu I have done several MD hard runs and while avoiding all the specific gifts for BL and trying to hit normal nodes to test the team and it does an insane amount of damage, it very easily out damages charge. Too add to that, the sin generation is pretty bad but the team still doesn't struggle on Rail, I did a full rail run with the team and my first run was 72 turns. The only fight that was even difficult was gasharpoon because I was trying to save fluid sac ego resources for contempt. The team is good because it very easily deals with all content with no real need to even pay attention, at long as 3 pride are hit you usually just win every clash and the combination of Faust, merusalt and ish make the damage skyrocket while heath is... Himself, eating tons of damage while outputng insanity with the added poise, and Greg/cinq are just given more poise to act as the nukes they already are due to ish and don.
Blsault is like top 10 even outside of bl teams because he has good poise gain, really good rolls, good coin amounts, regret and to claim their bones.
I think I am less doomed about him being good in only 1 team. Splashing him with Faust + Don or yi sang leaves half your team to do whatever other poise units you want. Specifically thinking of captain Ishmael. Although use that in mirror dungeon at your own discretion because managing so will be on you.
Good video, I like the two different ratings based on context/teams.
I like the theorycrafting that the new BL identities bring
My current BL team is
Kimsault, BL Faust, BL Don, BL Yi Sang, KK Hong Lu and Der Outis
Heavily dependent on pride, sloth and wrath res
Reading this without context is quite interesting.
"New BL identities"
"Your current BL team"
"Heavily dependent on pride, sloth and wrath"
Personally, i like having
4 Blade Lineages(Meur, Faust who will help Ahabmael and ALSO gain the most benefit from her due to her skill 1 deal WAY more damage than you think, Don if you are running BL Outside of MD but her Skill 1 is too good not to have compared to BL Sinclair and Outis, Yi Sang who clash super insane, his skill 1 might aswell be a skill 3)
Cinq Sinclair(Gluttony on skill 1 and evade, high speed and high clashing, makes big Poise Count gain all on his own, Pride Skill 2 for Absolute Resonance, and Fragile Skill 3 thats also Lust affinity)
Captain Ishmael(Pride Heavy Team so kinda obvious, also BL Faust is nice to have because she lets Ishmael who gains 0 Poise other than kills/staggers and Don, blossom lets her still able to Crit, also Assist Attack skill 1 for Faust is not a joke)
Alternative
Kuro Rodion(Gloom and Lust resource, also benefit from Don Poise Gain, surprisingly high clashing and a strong Counter)
Cinq Outis(Gloom and Lust, high speed, HIGH EVADE AT A 18)
I feel so tilted. How do neither Twinhooks Gregor nor Pequod Yi Sang come up when talking about "Poise payoffs"? Or how good Gregor's Poise gain is (though he might still need BL Sang's support passive), how is he not even talked about when you single out the Season 3 IDs? Am I missing something?
I knew I forgot someone when mentionning Ryoshu in 00, which was Yi Sang, so mb for that one. For 3 stars I didn't mention all payoffs though, I was mainly talking about gain and maintenance and mentionned the payoff for the ones I did mention, but yeah Twinhook Gregor probably has in the higher ones with high bleed potency too. But even if he does gain quite a bit of poise potency, it means he might use it on random crits, and his count gain isn't higher than the others, so he needs support from BL Yi Sang at minimum. His main problem being that Bleed is not in a great state, and that his infliction is ok but unreliable as well.
Btw his passive can make bonuses scale very high, so he does have value for later IDs maybe.
@@MagnetAlpha twinhook gregor blsang and pequodsang probably have the highest poise payoff
@Alpha Rather than Bleed support, I was more referring to his S3 being one of the best nuke skills in the game at peak performance. I'm pretty sure it easily outdamages Rip Space, unless there's some nuance to the damage formula I'm completely misunderstanding.
@@gantifandor7593Yeah I understood dw, and it does outdamage Rip Space with a crit on both hits if at 21+ poise by about 20-30%. But what I meant is that's only a part of his conditions, and a part of his potential is locked in the bleed archetype with skill 1 and 2. If you remove it it's a basic poise ID without bonuses outside skill 3.
And getting 21+ poise with enough count is not easy outside MD, and it can take a lot of time, not mentionning building the passive. So yes it's strong, I've used it myself, but still very unreliable without enough support. And BL Yi Sang is barely enough imo. But in the video I just didn't make a one by one review of poise payoffs, especially for 000, but I guess I would have put him in the higher ends sure.
Also there's been quite a bit of powercreep this season so it's a bit hard to say what is stronger. But I'll do a season ranking video for that anyway.
@@thegoldenraysoftheglorious1180Maybe. For Pequodsang it's so annoying to get it to work though. Also Meursault TCTB has insane rewards, and Queecliff and BL Faust Bleed doesn't seem like much directly but have very high potential.
I see captain ishmael mentioned a lot and while i kinda get it, i cant help but wonder if shes not the best id to run along a blade linage team if your going only don, faust, and meursault.
Ideally you want your other units to generate enough poise so that don can cover bad turns, and ishmael just doesnt generate her own poise well enough, making her take poise from other allies.
Still probably a decent combo, but might not be optimal.
I run that quartet for luxcavations at least and it works exceedingly well. BL Meursault funnels all his ally gains into Faust and Don, and Captain Ishmael's primary role is supporting them back via Assist Attack, 4x Pride Absolute Resonance + her S2 for the Damage Up and Pride Power Up, and finishing off weakened targets with her S3 while having her passive up for SP and Poise support. She also has a Pride Defense to provide resonance all the time. While she herself won't have too much Poise outside of Mirrors, I find she's still an excellent support for BL.
Captain Ishmael's role isn't damage dealer, it's support. She doesn't need Poise, she's here to provide others with it. And outside of directly giving poise, Skill 2 with Assist Attack is great to allow Poise allies using another skill 1, which often provides Poise, as well as supplementary damage. She also helps with Pride synergy, which is very important in BL teams.
I guess she might take poise, but that's only from Don, not Meur, and she can kind of give it back. Plus if it's not her it would be someone else, and her role is still incredibly important imo.
If you are playing a in MD, that team is perfectly fine as long you get Poise EGO gift that help captain ishmael. Outside of that, you will have don's poise gain get wasted on Captain Ishmael. You are not going to gamble on a 10% crit chance. Worse if Don is slower than Captain Ishmael. You get much more value by playing Yi Sang instead.
Captain Ishmael value, as many have already mentioned, come from assist attack. Assist attack con BL Sault skill 1 is a massive +3/+3 poise to your other 2 BL units. BL Yi only get +3/+2 on himself but it's still decent for his poise count stacking and he have Meursaul homeland buff to further boost his damage with assist attack damage buff so his damage is not that far from BL Sault even if it's a single coin. BL Faust is the weakest for the team gameplan but it's technically the one that deal the most damage with skill 1 even if she miss pride damage boost so it's still not an awful hit. Pirate Gregor is also an amazing combo with captain Ishmael as Captain Ishmael inflict bleed on her skill 2 so Pirate Gregor can get 2 stack of his passive to get his max stack s3 sooner to burst your opponent. Cinq Don or Cinq Outis also are not bad for this team. It's unlikely for them to be slower than Captain Ishmael but if it happen, you can gain extra haste from declare duel and if it doesn't you have someone guaranteed to get 3 offense level from Captain Ishmael. I heavily favor Cinq Outis because her base EGO is one of few EGO that you can comfortably feed with the team. The pride team heavily struggle feeding most good EGO. She also produce gloom and lust making using fluid sack faust an option.
I miss the poise bug
What was the poise bug
kinda early dont you think?
I doubt they add anything significant anymore (at least for this season), especially when you think they had to delay the next season, so they probably didn't plan for more important IDs or EGOs, this video also being a focus on the new BL IDs. I mentionned they might add an EGO or ID maybe, but it probably won't change the state of Poise too much. If it's a noteworthy addition I'll add a pinned comment, and I'll do a short review for it anyway. And also, I can't wait forever for every piece of content, and I have a full review and ranking video planned for the end of the season anyway.