How Far Can Each Monkey Get in CHIMPS (Expensive Edition)

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  • čas přidán 4. 06. 2024
  • We try to beat CHIMPS with only Dart Monkeys. Then only Boomerangs, etc. We do this with every monkey to see what ones can beat CHIMPS all on their own. And those that can't we see how far they can get before losing.
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Komentáře • 646

  • @qberrygamz7049
    @qberrygamz7049 Před 5 měsíci +914

    The idea that the wizard can win with enough time and knowledge feels very fitting

    • @olgacuervo4305
      @olgacuervo4305 Před 4 měsíci +24

      Wizzard is the best tower in game ngl

    • @markwang-vf9gi
      @markwang-vf9gi Před 3 měsíci +9

      @@olgacuervo4305 no its druid

    • @micz3242
      @micz3242 Před 3 měsíci +55

      No its banana farm deals too much damage

    • @arandomgamer9317
      @arandomgamer9317 Před 3 měsíci +10

      @@micz3242ikr, they need to nerf it
      I once let it solo 3 ZOMG as a joke, but they didn’t even get halfway from how much damage it did

    • @micz3242
      @micz3242 Před 3 měsíci +3

      Yea im #nerfbananafarmdmg

  • @dannycunil5989
    @dannycunil5989 Před 5 měsíci +585

    "I got long range spikes"
    Me: Haha
    "It worked"
    Me: What?

  • @AveryLovesGlitchcore
    @AveryLovesGlitchcore Před 5 měsíci +2410

    I just know super monkey is gonna sweep this one easily.
    Edit: Just watched the video, Super monkey DID NOT sweep easily 💀

  • @kittens0010
    @kittens0010 Před 5 měsíci +349

    16:35 long reach actually increases your spikes lifespan by 2x so you beat round 10 because of that

  • @Rainbowdude5000
    @Rainbowdude5000 Před 5 měsíci +290

    I like the fact that you picked the round where you could normally afford the monkeys

  • @AsaSmith-ok9mn
    @AsaSmith-ok9mn Před 5 měsíci +152

    That lead jumpscare actually kinda scared me

  • @MadMewMew-mu3eq
    @MadMewMew-mu3eq Před 5 měsíci +566

    You could've gotten slightly further with towers that don't get easy camo by using the crusher on scrapyard, but overall giid series. I'm looking forward to all heroes sometime (prepare for torture via corvus)

    • @linusabbott3299
      @linusabbott3299 Před 5 měsíci +16

      I want him too see this so I shalt comment

    • @snivydream
      @snivydream Před 5 měsíci

      Yea

    • @theendofthestart8179
      @theendofthestart8179 Před 5 měsíci +3

      Corvus can’t win on this map only on logs

    • @beanburrito4405
      @beanburrito4405 Před 5 měsíci +36

      He intentionally tried not to use map gimmicks, said so after using the crusher once in the video to help snipers seemingly by accident (the snipers did not need the crusher as proven by the R95 attempt lol)

    • @shahproductionsuser2965
      @shahproductionsuser2965 Před 5 měsíci +1

      same with lead

  • @hawk119
    @hawk119 Před 28 dny +8

    lead jump scare

  • @kianrameshi7425
    @kianrameshi7425 Před 5 měsíci +202

    Rule of thumb: if it can get past round 30 it will win

    • @Psi_Fan123
      @Psi_Fan123 Před 5 měsíci +12

      My rule of thumb is if I can beat the first moab I can almost allways get the the bad

    • @Psi_Fan123
      @Psi_Fan123 Před 5 měsíci +5

      The first moab is allways hardest

    • @joxxit6687
      @joxxit6687 Před 5 měsíci +3

      What is thumb? Please someone answer

    • @spok_real
      @spok_real Před 5 měsíci +27

      @@joxxit6687 "rule of thumb" means an idea someone believes that they think holds true in most cases. something they can rely on.

    • @throwaway358
      @throwaway358 Před 5 měsíci +7

      @@spok_real okay. But what is a thumb? someone please answer

  • @FarayLNoob
    @FarayLNoob Před 5 měsíci +27

    U got me good with that 9:01 lil jumpscare

    • @JBirdBobbyJ
      @JBirdBobbyJ Před 5 měsíci +4

      I was about to say that, too. Bro is making sure we're awake.

    • @ariranawaka7455
      @ariranawaka7455 Před měsícem

      ​@@JBirdBobbyJI think there was a recent buff to laser cannon that allowed to pop lead bloons. He should not spend money on worse upgrades

  • @k1llsh0t_87
    @k1llsh0t_87 Před 5 měsíci +138

    It'd be cool to see a Coop edition where you start with 1800 (since in 4 player each player starts with 450 cash) and see if you can extend the round of any tower since I'm sure that extra 1150 could allow you to afford essential upgrades just in time

    • @temmyetemm
      @temmyetemm Před 5 měsíci +13

      It would make dartling fun possible, but super it's still too expensive, as it needs ~5k to hit camos with the 002 and ~5k to hit leads with 200, which is way too much for that early.

    • @k1llsh0t_87
      @k1llsh0t_87 Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@temmyetemmboth glue and ice might make it further as well

    • @kittens0010
      @kittens0010 Před 5 měsíci +1

      ​@@temmyetemm030 hits every bloon type tf you on?

    • @user-en3lt9ud8u
      @user-en3lt9ud8u Před 5 měsíci +16

      ​@@kittens0010 tell me what you feed your robomonkey to pop every type of bloon

    • @theeheelloboi
      @theeheelloboi Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@user-en3lt9ud8u I think kittens might be confusing temmy's comment. They seem to think that the second part is about Dartling Gunner who's 0-3-0 actually pops all bloon types.

  • @MBI_05
    @MBI_05 Před 5 měsíci +31

    amazing video. keep doing these "how far" or "what if" content, i really enjoyed this!

  • @Hbomb
    @Hbomb  Před 5 měsíci +34

    Here is the video with all the cheap towers: czcams.com/video/KWqqeiMpY5I/video.htmlsi=WQ0n4hNyn_-63Z3N

    • @ariranawaka7455
      @ariranawaka7455 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Dartling Gunner can pop lead bloons. 2 0 0 can help you

    • @Arockettt
      @Arockettt Před 3 měsíci

      I does not hit lead​@ariranawaka7455

    • @Bill_Hmm
      @Bill_Hmm Před měsícem +2

      ​@@ariranawaka7455 No they can't

    • @TheCubesGamer
      @TheCubesGamer Před měsícem +1

      @@Bill_HmmI don’t think he plays lol

  • @Eidolon5150
    @Eidolon5150 Před 5 měsíci +27

    Carpet of Spikes got MEGA buffed last patch so abuse it while you can

  • @sword_pro_8
    @sword_pro_8 Před 5 měsíci +15

    I love your videos! Brings me a smile to see you uploaded! ❤❤❤

  • @ilkirbylinellangolo
    @ilkirbylinellangolo Před 5 měsíci +21

    I was chilling before the lead bloon scared the hell out of me 9:00

  • @dahelmang
    @dahelmang Před 25 dny +2

    I miss those bloontonium darts from BMC... Dartlings were so op.

  • @hvboy2131
    @hvboy2131 Před 3 měsíci +6

    The lead bloon jumpscare really caught me off guard. Ouch. I fell from my chair.

  • @cellianexurianity5021
    @cellianexurianity5021 Před 5 měsíci +3

    9:00 not gonna lie that scared the absolute crap outta me lmao

  • @Qaos
    @Qaos Před 3 měsíci +5

    I think you should've given the Glue Gunner a bit of redemption in this video. Start on the round you'd be able to afford Corrosive Glue and see how far it can get! (Probably wouldn't make it past 24, but that's still better than 6.)

  • @Judith-2001
    @Judith-2001 Před 5 měsíci +6

    Start on the round where you can afford a primary expertise and see how long it can go. Village needs a higher score then 0😔

  • @archon_maenad
    @archon_maenad Před 5 měsíci +10

    Is that the Cult of the Lamb soundtrack in the background? I feel like I've stepped into the uncanny valley hearing it over BTD6.

  • @spacebird1598
    @spacebird1598 Před 5 měsíci +11

    You could do the village top path since it can attack but you would be starting pretty late in

  • @23-nguyennamkhanh31
    @23-nguyennamkhanh31 Před 5 měsíci +9

    you gonna drop a what to bait who out?! 2:00

  • @user-db5lo8cu3p
    @user-db5lo8cu3p Před 2 měsíci +6

    DAM INFLATION ON 1800 IS CRAZY

  • @chad_cloaker6957
    @chad_cloaker6957 Před 3 měsíci +3

    The lead charging at the screen got me cracking 💀

  • @RobertJohnson-of7do
    @RobertJohnson-of7do Před 5 měsíci +5

    LETS GO because I was sad about the wizard last time

  • @steelhunter5483
    @steelhunter5483 Před 3 měsíci +8

    Having this on in the background the lead noice was terrifying

  • @Ghostmnm
    @Ghostmnm Před 2 měsíci +4

    Do a redemption round for glue in the style of expensive towers but for corrosive glue

  • @lloydkeith6186
    @lloydkeith6186 Před 5 měsíci +4

    I love the borderlands reference on the sniper name

  • @worminaround
    @worminaround Před 3 měsíci +3

    520 mortar is pretty good for group, but if your really want pure damage, NK made a mistake and buffed 502 so much so that it's basically a mini bloonciniration 💀

    • @Kevaca
      @Kevaca Před 3 měsíci +1

      Burny stuff doesn't stack, and blooncin burny is like, 4 times BETTER

  • @MZ-sr2xr
    @MZ-sr2xr Před 5 měsíci +17

    When the village didnt actually die on round 6 😎

    • @20oxide36
      @20oxide36 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Village was so powerful it beat the first 4 rounds automatically.

  • @Joe_biden_loves_minors_
    @Joe_biden_loves_minors_ Před 5 měsíci

    This is the best video thanks for working so hard

  • @thiennhanvo2591
    @thiennhanvo2591 Před 2 měsíci +2

    "flying fortress" i wonder where did that name came f-

  • @abduii9849
    @abduii9849 Před 9 dny

    Haven’t played bloons since before this game even came out, the fact that you can put spike factorys on close is crazy to me

  • @ParasitoBitumine-ov6bt
    @ParasitoBitumine-ov6bt Před 5 měsíci +1

    Just got a new record for myself in Battles 2. Got past round 40 on a speedy bananza battle and afforded the sentry champion, spirit of the jungle, avatar of wraith, and bloon master alchemist as well as every other tier 4 engineer, druid, and alchemist.

  • @deltongordon364
    @deltongordon364 Před 25 dny +1

    One massive problem
    ...
    LEAD BLOON JUMPSCARE

  • @bussieboy7064
    @bussieboy7064 Před 5 měsíci

    Great video ❤

  • @Xavix0024
    @Xavix0024 Před 5 měsíci +4

    Mortar got buffed base damage and upgrade from bloon buster (+1 base dmg and bloon buster makes it deal 3 dmg instead of 2)

  • @n1rko_987
    @n1rko_987 Před měsícem

    I like how you picked the soundtrack from cult of the lamp

  • @nahuelah
    @nahuelah Před 5 měsíci +2

    Amazing vid hbomb 💪

  • @quarkonium3795
    @quarkonium3795 Před měsícem

    I'd like to see another video where you take all the towers that didn't make it to 100 and spend the minimum amount of money possible to get them past their weakness balloons until they can pop them and then see how far they can get. A lot of these could get really far if they could just get a camo upgrade in time

  • @pinoyboy3552
    @pinoyboy3552 Před 5 měsíci

    YEAAAA BABY THATS WHAT I WAS WAITING FOR, THATS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT WOOO

  • @eetuthereindeer6671
    @eetuthereindeer6671 Před 3 měsíci +3

    I think its fair or at least worth a video to try the non camo detecting ones on scrapyard with the crusher

  • @EvilMunkee08
    @EvilMunkee08 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Cult of the Lamb OST fire thanks for reminding me

  • @aperson-qn8xn
    @aperson-qn8xn Před 5 měsíci +3

    9:02 headphone warning 💀💀💀💀

  • @MountainMemelord
    @MountainMemelord Před 3 měsíci +1

    The background song is Praise The Lamb from Cult Of The Lamb.

  • @Paytrolah
    @Paytrolah Před 5 měsíci +13

    I'm a battles 2 player (not btd6) but I was really shocked to see pursuit targeting used on heli. Having it on mouse allows you to max out your razor rotors pierce, and in general pursuit targeting keeps the heli too far away to use the blades properly at all. Is it actually good in btd6?

    • @BucketOfOofs
      @BucketOfOofs Před 5 měsíci

      Yes…….sometimes

    • @orizian7917
      @orizian7917 Před 5 měsíci +16

      Not everyone wants to micro every time they use a heli

    • @jam_toast1
      @jam_toast1 Před 5 měsíci +2

      I think it was just unneeded and he could always redo the round

    • @Stakxed
      @Stakxed Před 5 měsíci +4

      Its good if youre lazy. Its not needed (atleast i dont think there is a buff when buying pursuit)

    • @Fewerlious
      @Fewerlious Před 5 měsíci

      As another battles 2 player (mobile), I leave it on pursuit cuz I'm lazy. Although I'm forced to micro if there are spaced Whites and blacks, maybe even grouped.
      Only for early game tho, later spike factory and super monkey is good and prime is just there for continuous high damage.

  • @divinegaming128
    @divinegaming128 Před měsícem

    Already know my boi wizard gonna be goated

  • @FreshIceCold
    @FreshIceCold Před 3 měsíci +1

    The cult of the lamb soundtrack goes hard

  • @TheGlaiveDominatrus
    @TheGlaiveDominatrus Před 2 měsíci +1

    I wonder if the Spectre and Flying Fortress keeping the Neva-Miss darts would affect this at all

  • @midnightgamer217
    @midnightgamer217 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Whats the name of the song playing in the beginning? I feel like I heard it in cult of the lamb somewhere.

    • @theunwanted-soul3646
      @theunwanted-soul3646 Před 2 měsíci

      Don't know the name but it is from Cult of the lamb, you'll find the soundtrack online

  • @lennoxtvthingy7408
    @lennoxtvthingy7408 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Lead jumpscare hit the spot tho

  • @trainfrainebane
    @trainfrainebane Před 5 měsíci +3

    THE SEQUEL BABY AWESOME

  • @tgreener-2823
    @tgreener-2823 Před 3 měsíci

    I love the sniper its my favorite tower in the game and once I saw the sniper win I was SOOOO happy

  • @crosssans6133
    @crosssans6133 Před 5 měsíci

    Woah ace got through, i swear people sleep SO MUCH on the middle path

  • @MrEggington2
    @MrEggington2 Před 4 měsíci +1

    The fact he calls spike factory *”Spaktory”* 😃

  • @TheRealPhoenix155
    @TheRealPhoenix155 Před 3 měsíci

    Ah, 0-2-4 snipers, the most Chaotic tower of them all.

  • @connorabbott-dw3nk
    @connorabbott-dw3nk Před 16 dny

    the cult of the lamb music I recognized immediately

  • @booming_boomer
    @booming_boomer Před 5 měsíci +9

    the bad got popped quickly cause they buff carpet of spikes to do 9 moab damage

  • @Station68
    @Station68 Před 2 dny

    New Gamemode Idea: F.U.C.K. no farms, unlocks, continues, knowledge. I want to see someone do this!

  • @moe_Iester
    @moe_Iester Před měsícem

    9:00 BRO I HAD HEADPHONES IN THAT WAS LOUD AF THAT JUMPSCARED TF OUTTA ME

  • @firytwig
    @firytwig Před 5 měsíci +6

    I can’t say this for sure but I did suggest the idea of starting on the round you would be able to afford them. So I’m happy regardless of if it was actually me or not

  • @loganc1586
    @loganc1586 Před 5 měsíci

    Jesus that lead jumpscare got me, I just watched two horror movies😅

  • @Avarage_brawlstars-player.

    Can we just respect Hbomb for the amazing performance with wizard

  • @Green-the-military-man
    @Green-the-military-man Před měsícem

    I never thought I would here somebody saw spatory instead of spike factory

  • @jaydenmingsun9992
    @jaydenmingsun9992 Před 2 měsíci

    9:01 caught me off guard bro 💀

  • @Mediocre23dude
    @Mediocre23dude Před 3 měsíci

    maybe make a video where u see which heroes can beat chimps (no stuff like druid+obyn, just the hero)

  • @enafunnyperson
    @enafunnyperson Před měsícem

    Spike Factory my GOAT

  • @fabianalehnhardt6603
    @fabianalehnhardt6603 Před 4 měsíci +1

    You could havw upgraded the perma-spikes to a 2-0-5 it would help a lot

  • @Mysticalgrape357
    @Mysticalgrape357 Před 3 měsíci

    Ngl the lead jump scare actually scared me

  • @counter8270
    @counter8270 Před 4 měsíci +1

    why music in backround is from cult of the lamb

  • @TheMrSword
    @TheMrSword Před 5 měsíci

    Fun fact:
    You can save from 320 heli to Apache prime

  • @GMD_Mr_Cheese
    @GMD_Mr_Cheese Před 3 měsíci

    Alternative video name: you underrated mortal

  • @bossbrozork3022
    @bossbrozork3022 Před 2 měsíci +1

    When did the ace paragon released?
    Because i didn't see i-
    Never mind he doesn't have trouble without him
    (Man aces alone are busted)

  • @updike8088
    @updike8088 Před 5 měsíci

    The banana farm chicken was gonna carry but im disappointed it didn't

  • @shelliefwright997
    @shelliefwright997 Před 9 hodinami

    For the dartling gunner you could have not bought powerful darts so that you could have had enough to by hydra rocket pods

  • @user-ho5nt7kh4m
    @user-ho5nt7kh4m Před 3 měsíci

    For the darling gunner, use the top path aka a 1xx or a 2xx

    • @Kevaca
      @Kevaca Před 2 měsíci

      The first top path upgrade that can pop lead bloons in btd6 is 4xx plasma accelerater

  • @horizonbumpy2828
    @horizonbumpy2828 Před 5 měsíci +1

    what are these skins? mods? (the MOAB's and the hit effects)

  • @sirsigmondsamnson7008
    @sirsigmondsamnson7008 Před 5 měsíci +5

    Snipers by it self could be way easier if instead of spamming 0-2-4 snipers spam 3-2-0 snipers.

    • @broek6075
      @broek6075 Před 5 měsíci +2

      Nah you need a mix

    • @sirsigmondsamnson7008
      @sirsigmondsamnson7008 Před 2 měsíci

      ​​​​​@@broek6075 Its more worth to spam, deal more dmg due path, can deal with DDTs (& camo ceramics bonus), shrapnel shot get buffed and has the Elite Squad drip.

  • @SomeRand0mNerd
    @SomeRand0mNerd Před 5 měsíci

    hbombs goes h-boom

  • @animelegend723
    @animelegend723 Před 4 měsíci +1

    9:01 i got jumpscared by a led ballon

  • @peterness8694
    @peterness8694 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I still hear cult of the lamb music in the backround

  • @forgeddragon4617
    @forgeddragon4617 Před 2 měsíci

    I never knew that ddts become yellow when they aren't camo. That's so cool

    • @Kevaca
      @Kevaca Před měsícem

      That's only on the Neon DDT skin

  • @adambarry7388
    @adambarry7388 Před 5 měsíci +11

    Can glue gunner get a redemption arc using the expensive tower rule to start at the wave when corrosive glue can be afforded? Same with village starting when it would be possible to get primary expertise?

    • @Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox
      @Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox Před 5 měsíci +6

      glue loses at round 24 because no camo detection and primary expertise sucks against DDTs so loses to round 95. there's your answer.

    • @SyntheticNuclear
      @SyntheticNuclear Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Foxbut other villages can buff it

    • @coffe_6969
      @coffe_6969 Před 5 měsíci

      it has to solo without any extra buffs@@SyntheticNuclear

    • @Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox
      @Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox Před 5 měsíci +4

      @@SyntheticNuclear no shit, it still loses.

    • @junkyyard2273
      @junkyyard2273 Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@SyntheticNuclear mf you missed the point of the video

  • @njh123
    @njh123 Před 5 měsíci +1

    The 003 signal flair decamos ddts, it was buffed a little while back

    • @demonrobot
      @demonrobot Před 4 měsíci

      When was it because it was never like that

    • @njh123
      @njh123 Před 4 měsíci

      @@demonrobot Idk a few months ago, i've been using it as my main ddt decamo for a while now so i know it's true

    • @Kevaca
      @Kevaca Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@demonrobot 27.0
      [Undocumented] Signal Flar will now decamoo DDTs

  • @marx7357
    @marx7357 Před 3 měsíci +1

    What about if u don't get the bottom path for the dartling gunner and save up for hydra rocket pods, then save up for laser shock?

    • @Kevaca
      @Kevaca Před 3 měsíci

      You don't afford 030 anyway
      You will have 4,341 dollars with a 020 with the same starting round and money that hbomb did
      Hydra rocket costs... 5,185
      And just in case, both laser shock, and laser cannon CANNOT hit leads (laser shock is sharp and inly applies to bloons it can pop, laser cannon is energy)

    • @marx7357
      @marx7357 Před 3 měsíci

      @@Kevaca oh ok (ik laser shock cant hit leads, but for the black bloons when you buy hydra rocket pods.)

    • @Kevaca
      @Kevaca Před 3 měsíci

      @@marx7357 Hydra rocket is normal damage not explosive, it pops blacks

    • @marx7357
      @marx7357 Před 2 měsíci

      @@Kevaca okok

  • @Khalis593
    @Khalis593 Před 5 měsíci

    Bro 9:02 made me thought my volume was at 1000%

  • @rathermischeviousman
    @rathermischeviousman Před 5 měsíci

    i knew the super monke wasn't gonna make it

  • @bal7ha2ar
    @bal7ha2ar Před 10 dny

    im watching this at 3am and that lead just fucking junpscares me

  • @thedalekditto15
    @thedalekditto15 Před 5 měsíci +1

    You should credit you music. Hoices in vids. You have good picks and would love to listen

    • @facelessperson
      @facelessperson Před 4 měsíci

      I use "The Cult of The Lamb" OST for the background music :D

  • @rabbit1908
    @rabbit1908 Před 4 měsíci

    I was watching this at 3 am and thought your voice was an ai voice over

  • @wencymiguelhidalgo622
    @wencymiguelhidalgo622 Před 3 měsíci

    Gotta give spac some respect

  • @AVerySillyMan
    @AVerySillyMan Před měsícem

    3:26 Cult of the lamb music jumpscare

  • @dirarbouhedouf4195
    @dirarbouhedouf4195 Před 4 měsíci

    I love how he says permaspike

  • @giraffe3327
    @giraffe3327 Před 15 dny +1

    W cult of the lam music

  • @GL1TCHT0N_RETRO
    @GL1TCHT0N_RETRO Před 5 měsíci

    So two seconds in i believe the flying fortress with win

  • @KingMatthewXV
    @KingMatthewXV Před 5 měsíci +2

    Free play edition when?

  • @mmajchalmmajchal5081
    @mmajchalmmajchal5081 Před 5 měsíci

    What if you got village, either radar scanner for camp or MIB for white/black/purple

    • @omegafinisher845
      @omegafinisher845 Před 5 měsíci

      That’s not the point. The point is to see which towers can beat CHIMPS BY THEMSELVES, with NO assistance. Also, there’s no way MIB could be affordable in the 20s where the first whites, blacks, and purples show up

  • @sandiseferp352
    @sandiseferp352 Před 5 měsíci +9

    205 mortar is better for damage as it doubles the damage of the walls of fire it drops and increases the DOT to 150 instead of 100

    • @adamchang9136
      @adamchang9136 Před 5 měsíci +9

      he needed for de camo not for damage

    • @sandiseferp352
      @sandiseferp352 Před 5 měsíci +3

      205 has a really big de-camo AOE and on resort it covers all of the 2nd loop if targeted in the middle