The Most Complex Social Deduction Game
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
- Over 50 roles, insane amount unique interactions; Town of Salem and its Successor Town of Salem 2 bring an insane Social Deduction game format to you.
You will struggle to keep up, you will struggle to understand but in the long run it is worth your while!
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/ lucimax
Video Credits(Channels):
@PipeTron
@BlankMediaGames
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ToS2 just feels like a never ending feeling of impending doom. Both in game and out. Players getting worse, your fake claim being outed, microtransactions becoming commonplace in game, to an Apocalypse player transforming, and then the dev team firing everyone but 3 people (like wtf BMG)
Shoutout to the time there was a data breach back in 2022 or so
Remember the Moonman thing with TOS 1 when the games were ruined by trolls and the game went Pay to play?
@@unodos2647 its not pay to play per se, you can still play for free after watching an ad which is stupid
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How it feels to feel the power of ANTICS
bro joined the dev team, dropped the best update to the game in its history, and then dipped
...or, well, got laid off because they laid off the whole office but still
I'm a returning ToS1 player and I put in 40 hours in like 2 weeks after first starting. Currently at 70. It's currently my main chill quick round game with All Any, I just fire it up every day when I have some time. I love it. Great video, your editing is on point and I like how you didn't stall or anything.
Thank you! Same! I play a couple rounds of all any almost daily just to relax maybe we've already played against each other
Dude you described me for the past 2 weeks perfectly
I really need to get back into the game, I had like 1100 hours in ToS1, I played ToS2 once or twice after the Alpha, only have around 2 hours on ToS2, but I've been watching Pipe's videos daily.
all i play tbh is tos1 but i’d like to see BMG get back to updating it bcuz it seems like it’s forgotten
Had a member share this in Pipetron's discord server and was pleasantly surprised. Cheers to a well made video by you
Didn't know Pipetron had a discord, I'm happy you like the video!
I do agree, this video was very informative, based and enjoyable to watch all around, from a person who has been playing ToS2 since release.
I especially loved the part where you slowly listed out all the roles so no one was confused 😂😂
oh yea, very slow and clear for the people in the back... I'm sureeee everyone knows EXACTLY what im talking about :D
@LuciMax honestly, this made me realize I probably watch too much tos2 content because I could hear almost every role
You do not know how many times new players said they were tk as tavern keeper. For those unfamiliar with the game, tk is town killing
Omg that’s like the worst one , right along side with “I’m ti I won’t claim in case of rit”
I don't play ToS2, but I do play CRK. This comment *vividly* reminded me of a time that someone used tk referring to Tea Knight. In Cookie Run name abbreviations, tk is Timekeeper.
I propose changing Tav's name to something like "Bartender"
The power of ANTICS compells you
You forgot to say about BMG making very stupid decisions (Tuba and Curtis)
Cool Video.
That happened because a publisher got a hold of BMG no?
The real question is why did BMG decide to hand over the game to Digital Bandidos, a publishing company MADE ONLY MONTHS AGO LIKE THIS YEAR when BMG has been here for like, a decade now.
I wasn't aware of this, is that a bad thing?
I thought BMG made the game, if you don't mind explaining it to me that would be lovely!
@@LuciMax Its unknown if its bad or good but general opinion is bad so far. But on July 5th they announced they were working with Digital Bandidos but in turn after that announcement there was massive lay-offs. Curtis and Tuba who were hired after they made the the mod Better Town of Salem 2 and their lead Artist Blue with a few more.. Leaving the company with only 3 people. The publisher according to their Linkedin page, the company was made 2 months ago.
So personal opinion but I was say laying off most of your team to be picked up by a publisher than nobody has ever heard of is pretty bad,
@@Lazuruseaioh yea that doesn’t sound too good
Not to mention BMG lying about their new publishers.
I used to be obsessed with TOS1. I found it during the pandemic when there was a decent enough player base to only have to wait a few minutes max for a lobby to fill in. The learning curve was steep but at that point there were quite a lot of new players so classic mode (where you have to play a certain number of games before you can play other modes and the role list is simplified to make it easier to learn the game). The leaning curve was steep but so much fun. I remember spending so long utterly confused by transporters and what their purpose was before realising how OP it was as a role. And then eventually the player base dwindled as life started to resume post pandemic. Lobbies became inundated with trolls especially if the racist variety. And the devs did little (aka nothing) to stop it. I stopped playing completely by the time TOS2 came out. I still think it’s a great game and probably one of the best games I’ve ever played. But the devs don’t seem to care about it. Their focus is pumping out as much money as they can rather than fixing the issues that have contributed to them bleeding players. I’d love to get back into the game but unless the devs are able to actually be proactive in listening to their community (I’m on the subreddit and in the discord and trust me they could not care less about how they have contributed to the demise of the game)
Anyway I still enjoy hearing people enjoy the game.
if only throne of lies didn't die....
Never got the chance to play it :(
@@LuciMax look up “smooth throne of lies” he has really good games in his playlists
As someone with 1k+ hours, saying it's chaotic is an understatement, and I am surrounded by idiots
Earlier today I was watching other videos, wondering if you were gonna make a new one. I stand pleasantly surprised.
Start watching more so by some godly interference more spawn :D
Only problem I have with the game is that it has so much potential and people just play All any. I think I’ve played 100+ AA games and like 5-10 town traitor and 1 classic game. A way to solve this issue slightly is to mod the game to BToS2
I agree, but i cant really comment because i don't think I've ever played anything outside all any ToT
The game used to have active communities in every gamemode, but now it’s just aa. If you want to play other things, better town of Salem 2 mod has a pretty active casual queue right now
@@Mostwanted12435 what time? btos2 seems dead everytime i play
@@Kryminalia it is active right now with 40 ish players
Edit. I’m literally playing it right now with people
This is so much better explained than any attempt I’ve made, good job
TOS2 mentioned, im going werewolf breakdance bug rn
Great video!
i LOVE town of salem 2, its lowkey the best game i have ever played.
TOS 1 is more complicated than TOS 2. You are sheriff who found 3 as sus? Nah mate, according to town, you 12 as sus. You just didn't know it because 3 was transed with 1 and 1 got transed with 7 and 7 got transed into 12. Best of all, the last one was absolute cap because hypno gave the transed message to 12 which means you actually saw 7 as sus. So you got 12 hung but you are going to be executed by the Jailor because 12 was actually witched and you are being a potential Witch being proven fake Sheriff
I do think so too, tos1 had many "chaos" roles like transporter and hypnotist to say the least. But i think there is a fine line between the game being "complicated" and "bullshit" if you know what i mean
As someone who spent tons of time playing tos 1. I still don’t accurately understand how transporter works. 2 transporters were enough to blow my mind
Have you played Better Town of Salem 2? While it has a much higher learning curve and you might get caught with mechanics different to vanilla m, it has fun roles, modifiers and game lists as well as a community of people who are genuinely interested in putting in time and learning so there will be less throwers.
I have not, and honestly i dont think i will, i kinda use TOS as my "relax" game where there no pressure, so id rather leave the modded to people who want to take the game a bit more seriously :)
@@LuciMax Yeah I do understand that BTOS2 is a lot more stressful cause ya have to deal with more stuff and the players are more competitive. I do also sometimes just hop into some regular AA and just chill.
TOWN OF SALEM TOWN OF SALEM MENTIONED MENTIOEND OH MY GOD
TOWN OF SALEM 2 IS SO PEAK! ‼️‼️🔥🔥🗣️🗣️
bussin bussin video
ToS is on the level with SS13 for me, if I'm honest.
In SS13, EVERYONE (even the majority alignment) is going to make eventual mistakes regardless of skill level, but it's more to credit the mechanical complexity and lack of information for that trope. Imagine a more action-based dungeon game out of ToS with 70-80 players instead of 16, and you'll start to see some glaring similarities.
(fuck knows though, considering their somewhat different genres)
70-80? In a single lobby?! The queues must have been insane 😭
That thumbnail is amazing.
Thank you friend
i love this game
Really good video man. Really good
Thanks bro!
Aww ToS , its complex af and 1 and 2 play significantly different from one another and with the inclusion of mods makes it an incredibly fullfilling game to test your wits
I saw a video of Disguised Toast play ToS2 so I got it and became addicted I got over 100 hours and I’ve only had it for a couple of months
Get town scroll *hype. Its cleric *depression*
I have over 1000 hours on tos1
But I like tos2 more even though they killed mafia I like how they buffed my boy sk
If i am being honest i cook as most of the roles
You're literally me, plays DbD and ToS2
this is so cool
tos2 is genuinely a really good game. dunno why BMG screwed themselves over by firing everyone
this game has a learning curve and infuriation for begginers that reminds me of decaying winter lol, i love this game but i suck at being evil, except the game i just got as sk where i killed 2 cov and a soul collecter who was almost transformed into death LOL, i clutched up for the town :D
Can’t believe you didn’t mention modded
I myself have never played modded, and don't think i will. I'm a basic b*tch ToT
@@LuciMax To be fair from what I gather modded just adds some ToS1 roles and balances some stuff. I'm really just shilling it cos its fun. Also, the creators behind the mod actually did work with the devs at a point (until the recent massive layoffs) since the mod really seeks to balance roles, and in general is pretty loyal to vanilla.
@@LuciMax complaining about bad players but not playing modded with objectively better players is wild
@@mnogo-tos I didnt complain about bad players, its a fact that new players dont understand in-game terminology (because why would they) i simply mentioned that exchange is frustrating, im really not pressed about it what so ever my friend
@@LuciMaxthe modded town of Salem is a completely different experience compared to regular aa. You really should try it out sometime.
YEAHHH TOWN OF SALEM 2
Ahem, not all skins are free like you said. most of them u can buy after getting ''deed to the town'' (which i dont reccomend theres daily stuff that give u life 50% off for super deed to the town that is the price of deed to the town but better) also getting all evils as marshal is the best feeling in the world.
Me, who plays almost daily:
So… I have like 500-ish hours in this game (I think almost 600) and I love it… minus the micro transactions… the game is amazing and I absolutely love how complicated it is, but the downside is every match you find at least one person who doesn’t claim, doesn’t post as TI or just claims evil. It’s fine in a vacuum but when it becomes almost every game It starts to get annoying. Amazing to see a creator that isn’t Londyn/Tuba/Pipton make a video about it
Town of Salem 2 is... a social deduction game. It seems fine at first, but when you get to know other games, the issues start to become obvious.
What reason is there for half of the Town to just have self-confirming mechanical effects (like Admirer, Veteran, Vigilante, Deputy... the *entire* Town Power alignment) where the only way you can even dare to fake them as evil is if you're the Necromancer?
Why is it impossible for a Doomsayer or Ritualist to guess a Town Investigative? It's just a pointless limitation that can make certain scenarios completely unwinnable for the Doomsayer in question. It isn't "oppressive" because nobody's forcing TIs to tell the truth... oh, right, the ToS playerbase exists.
Why can the Executioner, a role supposed to be Neutral *Evil*, potentially end up getting 3 evils out of the game in one day? (pushing hard to execute the 1st, tormenting the 2nd, then leaving town themselves as the 3rd)
- Same for the Jester, to a lesser extent. They can get 2 out (execute themselves for the 1st then haunt the 2nd that night).
- Actually, you can say this about every Neutral Evil, considering the Doomsayer's ability to kill 3 evils and the Pirate's ability to kill 2
That said, it is a fun game to play here and there, but it (mainly ToS2) doesn't feel like a social deduction game (especially not with the flashy cutscenes). Rarely are actual socials involved due to the fact most things are solved by executing whichever poor soul doesn't have an Auto-Confirm Button™or whoever the Psychic's information points to.
ToL dying still makes me sad.
And if you're already good at it, just play modded the one time of the week it has players, then everyone is good *normally* and the chance you get trolled by people having the same mental capacity as a cardboard cutout of themselves decreases dramatically. (That or scroll exe and claim blue vigi who found someone with defence. Yes this actually works)
I have no idea why but btos2 has been alive everyday for at least a few weeks now.
Playing with people there is a doozy for sure though. Wouldn’t recommend it for casuals
Bro it's been 7 months wth
Oops 🙂
Nah I'd wager the most complex social deduction game is ss13, but yeah ToS is also great and very fun.
It's good and yea the graphics aren't bad, but why is the chatbox so small? The game is literally played in the chatbox and it's shoved in the corner and so tiny it's hard to read even when playing the game, nevermind trying to watch someone else play it xP I think the poor accessibility hinders the game and it's popularity imho
Thank goodness for Pipe with his edited zoom ins and reading out the text
As a new player i got hung because i said sheriff was tp lol.
how did you mess that up
@@mnogo-tos rbd first night so i had no reason to say TI in my opinion. They didnt share it lol
yeah ive been playing town of salem since before coven existed. love the game, the devs kinda suck tho so im currently making my own version of it.
You ARE? Ok damn keep us updated
An town of salem related video not made by pipetron ?
I’m his… I mean my alt
Adagia:
Tuba:
Why not host a town of salem event with your community?
Might be a good way of getting people to try the game and you might even have some of your subs befriend each other are a cause
I dont have a defined community yet my friend, but that is a goal for me one day!
Might I suggest making a discord?
I'd fairly certain that could help define a community through the rules and channels you make as well as give you a possible active pool of people to do events with.
Naturally this is all your call to make. I'll be in the comments of your future videos regardless of the choice you make because your edits are just *chefs kiss*
@@Mr.nesser I appreciate your support friend, but i think its a little early for a discord, and i dont know how to make one properly
I still prefer 1, 2 feels too much, and having to pay a shit ton of money to get alright cosmetics is awful
Most of the cosmetics are purchasable with in game currency though? and those arent too hard to get honestly
Nice video!
But it is kinda pay to win at times (Scrolls, Mythic Scrolls, Tome of Fate and Necronomicon of Fate)
Yea i am aware of that, i was thinking about mentioning that but the purpose of this video is to entice people into the game and just do a quick review, not to diss and review every aspect of it, ill let the people who choose to play the game do that :)
Ehh... I never really noticed any problem with it from a free player standpoint. I don't think that people scrolling with stronger scrolls really affected my chances at getting good roles. I just used the standard scrolls that you can get by just playing the game, and even without scrolls I get pretty decent roles. (though specific roles like Jailor, Coven Leader, and Pirate are very rare for me, likely because they are scrolled by others often.)
It's also important to keep in mind that scrolls don't actually affect the role list, just your chances of getting assigned that role. Here's how role generations works: the game creates a list of roles that matches the constraints of whatever role list the game mode has, then it goes through and assigns roles to every player; the scroll only changes your chances of being assigned a role already in the generated role list. (At least that's how it worked in ToS1, but I doubt they changed it.) So from a match balance standpoint, scrolls change nothing.
I do understand and to an extent agree with your statement, though. It's just that from a non paying standpoint I haven't really felt the effects of it. This is just personal experience, so others may have differing experiences, but overall I wouldn't let it deter new players. I think the biggest issue for new players right now is the learning curve and the toxicity of some players that can follow. My first few games were actually pretty smooth since I've watched games from PipeTron (and others) before playing so I had some idea of what every role did and what some of the abbreviations meant, but I doubt many new players would be going into the game with that prior knowledge, and I'd bet that many would have some unfun first games as a result.
The main thing I don't like is the advertisements. I stopped playing for a couple months and when I came back I saw that the start screen was flooded with random micro transactions that I generally hate in my games, and I especially don't like it because ToS2 was once not free on steam (which is when I bought it) and I'm beginning to wish it stayed that way.
@@samsungrefrigeratorcondens4354 I almost fully agree, but with the scrolls and tomes I meant what you said, that because a lot of people use powerful scrolls they get really rare
Like for example I have pirate scrolls, but they rarely work because of the other people scrolling it, and I noticed that my jailor scrolls only actually started working since I got a few mythic ones from the cauldron.
And the free to play perspective you mentioned, I'm also f2p so I can't really tell you about how the Tome is, but I have a friend who bought the Tome of Fate, scrolls TPow and she almost always gets a TPow.
But yeah, you broke it down really well and I agree, but the Tome is a really big problem, especially how it gets even more broken over time
@@valaki4227 Yeah, I get it. I never really scrolled those super popular roles so I wasn't really thinking about them. It's unfortunate that some roles are almost completely impossible to get for f2p players because the scrolls don't work. Thanks for your perspective.
you call TOS2 complex social deduction ? play TOS 1 its much complex because you have to rely on mostly chat alone and wills for scumread. Abilities are too weak comparet to TOS2 to achieve anything alone.
I think TOS2 is an objectively more polished and balanced game, which is why i prefer it more and chose to talk about it, but you are welcome to stick with whatever you like
ToS1 is dying though, lots of players left on all any are throwers
this game sucks couldn't pay me to play this game