Someone once said it's not the trauma that makes you a hero or a villain. It's what you do with it. Don't make them feel your pain, protect them so that pain never gets felt again.
Knowing Marvel, I won’t be surprised if this story ends with Mary Jane hating Peter, further destroying their relationship and strengthening her love for Paul.
"Despite everything you've done for them eventually they will hate you" - Green Goblin. Seriously marvel must seriously hate spiderman at this point by screwing him over constantly.
@@dhnation4975I think its less that and more that when people think of Spider-Man, people think of him overcoming great obstacles… So when Spider-Man has overcome everybody obstacle but they need to keep churning out comics, naturally, the easiest solution is to just *escalate* .
If I recall correctly, there was an era where spidey was also absolutely miserable and then ultimate Spider-Man came along, so who knows. Maybe we’ll eventually get an actual good series.
@@matthewbibby8921bro his aunt has died like 8 times and he sold his relationship to save her he is overcoming a fucking mountain his struggle is not relatable no one has this much bad luck
@@sinfuladamgood the ideals peter has had are not actually his own there were uncle Ben's ideals and Ben's ideals where the epitome of unrealistically optimistic. "with great power comes great responsibility" sure however he completely forgot to mention nor teach peter that great responsibility comes ever lasting suffering and having your life ruined for ungrateful and uncaring people, Uncle Ben effectively wanted peter to essentially be everyone's dog's body, even Thor in one comic called peter out on this idea on why does he have to be every mortal#s servant when he's effectively a demi-god to them, Even T'challa/ Black Panther understands that yes he is selfless and helps those beneath him he still understands that he is also ABOVE them and makes sure that those he cares about and also his enemies KNOW IT!. the Hero complex doesn't seem to understand that fear and ruthlessness is just as important and mercy and compassion. it's all about balance and trust me Peter's effectively been fighting with one hand behind his back for decades.
@@michaelkean5969 It's very easy to walk past that line Peter is doing this for uncle Ben. Using the ideals he valued because when he dawned that mask he dawns a man that tries to uphold those ideals no matter the cost. And if this is what breaks Peter if this is what truly diminishes him from walking past that line then he doesn't deserve to wear that mask after all the shit hes been through. Even after his aunt got shot and nearly died he still didn't kill and he damn sure didn't enjoy what he was doing. And besides it's not just spider man it's super hero life in generalThat's what you sign up for when you become a super hero
I hate the whole "separating Goblin and Norman with a magic gun" thing. I always prefered the idea of the Goblin not as Osborn's dark side, but as his unhinged side. Even in the Ditko days, Norman was shown to be a scum-bag before he was revealed to be the Goblin. Stan Lee and Romita introduced the different personalities thing, but Norman the and the Goblin but wanted the same thing: money, influence and power, they just had different means of acheivening it. He's not a good man turned evil, he's an evil man that's no longer trying to hide it from the world. The Kraven clone was also stupid. It feels like Spencer trying to have his cake and eat it too since the point of that arc seemingly was to return Kraven to the grave. All that said, this arc has the potential to be a satisfying (if not objectively good) end to a horrible era for the character. Just have Peter get his revenge against a bunch of bad guys who have particulary messed up his life (maybe saving Osborn for last). Have Osborn come back as the Goblin in the end, have Peter undergo actual personal growth from this instead of just suffering and then resetting everything and maybe end with a few of the villains ACTUALLY dead to shake up the status quo. Peter can angst about that without having to directly make him responsible for it in the eyes of fans. Sure, the revenge part would be mostly fanservice and a little fanfic-y, but so was Peter and MJ getting back together with little build up and people liked that.
Yeah I agree when I have seen Norman not as the Goblin, he still was a piece of shit treating his son like he was just property and even stole his girlfriend and impregnated her.
And why a gun, though? Even if you wanted to use a different weapon, I can get that, but it doesn’t work here. At least use a sword if you don’t wanna think hard on something, which would fit better if you wanna ‘separate’ the Goblin from the man
What a brilliant analysis; Norman and the Goblin being both one in the same but also technically not, is the perfect characterization I desire for Norman. I think there are lots of sympathetic villains, and Norman, well, not being one would sure be a breather. Also, if we know the current status quo, Paul’s gonna end up being MEPHISTO, WOAAAAAHHHH. I actually do hope he is, though. That’d reverse any kind of important and irreversible consequences and plot contrivances.
There was a time I did believe that the Goblin was a separate entity, would explain how in the 90s cartoon and the Raimi films he appears before Harry in a reflection, tempting him to become Goblin. But I agree that Norman was always bad and the goblin serum just brought more of it to the surface, it was always there. There are versions like in films and the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon where he becomes more sympathetic because he sees himself how others have from the outside perspective.
Hearing that Peter/Spider Goblin is going after Paul next honestly makes me very happy. Seriously Paul is such an unnecessary character and he and his existence pisses me off. I genuinely hope Paul gets killed and gets killed brutally by Spider Goblin and then I hope they reveal Paul was actually Mephisto or is an illusion created by Mephisto and then hope they retcon Zeb Wells’s entire run and reveal that it was all an illusion that Peter and MJ are trapped in and have to escape.
@@spentlizard353 that would be the satisfying solution, but knowing marvel, they prolly won’t and just find some way to make things worse for peter smh
Burying Kraven, especially the way he did, is cold. Peter, in a way, showed mercy to Kraven by giving him an easy way out with the rifle, unlike Kraven did to Peter. When Kraven buried Peter, Peter would've had to either dig his way out (as he did) or let oxygen run out and suffocate. For Kraven, he either digs his way out, suffocates, or turns to rifle on himself. He basically said "I'm doing unto you what you did unto me, but I'm gonna show how I'm a better person than you by giving this ticket out."
Honestly, I love Peter losing his shit and just beating enemy. This issue in particular is satisfying after years of Peter just plain being incompetent, so him pulling reverse on Kraven Last Hunt is so good.
1:58 Speaking of the Batman Who Laughs, I think it was a very good artistic decision to make Superboy-Prime the one that doomed his plans. Who better to troll the typical ridiculously powerful villain that abounds today than the only character aware of how infinitely better the heroes and villains of the past were compared to the trash writing we get nowadays? 😌👌
I thought that it was Wonder Woman that beat him? Also to me it feels like it would have been better if Batman was the one that beat him since the Batman Who Laughs is someone Batman fears he would become.
Spider-Man going after Paul next will either be exactly what we need or a massive anti-Spider-Man bomb waiting to detonate and doing what we can only imagine against his character like a massive nail in the coffin. One such imaginable possibility is it making sure he and MJ never get together again, in turn. Is Marvel smart enough to turn Paul into a twist villain? We can only imagine. If you won’t write a proper villain after everything he did as was obviously primarily intended, then there’s just faceless villainy embedded in the writing, and that’s unacceptable anywhere, no matter what.
@@LP1ToTheEndOfTime Such a certified Spider-Man moment… (being sarcastic, in case you couldn’t tell) Basically the story likely has no deeper meaning except ‘making sure MJ will never wanna be with Peter again’. Relatable, right? Yeah, at this point, wanting Spider-Man to be ‘relatable’ sounds like an excuse at this point, a thin veil to hide the fact that they have this unhealthy hate for the character. Marvel really needs a Crisis on Infinite Earths-type event, the kind that gives the studio the green light to reboot. And they really need to reboot, not just for their superhero world, but one that also reaches to the studio itself, with things like new writers, especially, who know what they’re doing and don’t hate characters or superheroes in general.
This run may be tarnishing Zeb Wells name, but I'll always respect him for that comic strip where Eddie tries to use Venom as toilet paper. Edit: The Goblin who Guffaws? The Spider who Snickers? I'll come up with something for this version of Peter.
There’s only one word I use to describe Nick Spencer’s run, innovative. While it stumbles in its final hours, the amount of dedication Spencer had to bringing Peter Parker back into something that isn’t Marvel Editorial Torture Montage. Nick Spencer’s while not perfect, was the best thing to happen to the Spider-Man run in a very long time.
Given from what I've heard (and Linkara has said iirc) where Spider-Man keeps being the punching bag and has anything nice taken away from him because "he needs to be a teenager dealing with endless teen issues, angst and high school/college drama along-side villain of the week forever or else he 'can't be relatable anymore' to the younger audience", I legit believe that Marvel's upper staff need to finally once and for all realize no one actually cares if Spider-Man isn't the exact same as he was at the start and that he can change and grow with the audience. Not just be held back because the writers are too unwilling/lazy/ect. to actually do new things with Spider-Man other than be tempted to go full Berserk soon.
Technically he's wrong. There's no goblin demon it's just normans sins being cleansed. In other words Norman had all his evil taken from him and now Peter has it.
The main reason why people seem to love this- Is because Peter Parker is our boy in all his forms. And there's two things we love to see more than anything. The first is to see Peter getting a break, we love nothing more than our boy getting the win, riding into the sunset, and having some peace. We all know we ain't fucking getting that here. So we settle for the second option. The only thing we may love more than seeing Peter get his way as a good guy. Is seeing him get his way as a villain. You wanna write him out of character? Commit to the bit and make him so out of character that it wraps around to being in character. Bring out the black suit, set him up with Black Cat, and make him the king of something, let him go absolutely berserk and start dealing out karma. Only thing better than getting a break is getting even. Will it last? Of course not, it never does. But this would be a PERFECT chance to write a "Spider-Man kills the Marvel Universe" style of story. Have him take on the combined forces of the X-Men, Avengers and Fantastic Four all at the same time, and put on a showcase of Spider-Man not holding back. Hell, at this point, have him go full on Batman who laughs in the current universe and destroy said universe, it'd basically redeem an irredeemable version of the character and set up perfectly for a retcon to undo all the damage that's happened here, throw in a scene where he either allies with or rips Mephisto to pieces, and you have a perfect case of poetic villainy. If we can't see him win as a hero, at least let us see him be the best villain he can possibly be. I especially want the Mephisto bit to happen, and it'd fit, as he's driven by a demon of Mephisto's own making, which is doubly poetic. In a world where Spider-Man can't be the hero we need, let him be the demon we deserve.
Please (if you can and it does happen) I hope you cover the story of him going after Paul. I feel a little sadistic hoping he goes after MJ to consider (what I heard anyway) she sent Peter back and literally moved onto the guy next to her so not exactly innocent but I’m just gonna wait to see. Yeah Paul is basically the personification of the newest low in his life but still
The fact that a cracked out Spidey will soon hunt down Paul gives me hope that it’s a possibility that marvel might actually listen to Spider-Man fans for a change lol.
Since the beginning of this run I’ve been so disheartened with the direction the Marvel editors have taken Spider-Man. So much bullshit. So to see Peter being more aggressive is a breath of fresh air
“Spider-Goblin” has been a concept before. Like when Spider-Gwen met a version of Peter who killed Norman after his Gwen’s death. Or in Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon when Norman fused his DNA with those of Spider-Men across other worlds.
When I read the run, I thought it was going to go like this: Peter and Mj are still together, but they share custody of the two kids with Paul. The two kids mainly live with Paul, but visit Peter and Mj from time to time. After issue 26, Peter, Mj, and Paul go to therapy to figure out what to do, mainly Mj and Paul. Mj decides to take heroing, and Peter helps her become a hero.
Something I with they stole from manga is Peter having it hard not because the fate is discriminating against him in particular but because the villains trained between rematches
You would think for one of if not THE very first Marvel character created by Stan Lee himself would get waaaaay more respect in his treatment than how he’s been getting steamrolled by his own authors
I feel like the spider-goblin is just a thematic continuation of the Superior Spiderman. Soon his body will play host to all of his enemies, from Electro to the Kingpin to even Rhino! Hey, maybe we can even give White Rabbit a turn, wouldn't that be a lark?! I can't wait for Mysterio to possess him! It will be so fun!
I've binged all of your videos over the past couple days... And they're amazing. You pick VERY good stories to cover, and the dark ones are mine boggling (but addicting somehow.) Keep it up man, this is really good stuff.
I can't say I read comics at all but I've seen so many synopses of Spiderman comics where the writers just treat Peter like garbage or humiliate him by now that I genuinely wonder if it's people that have a grudge against Stan Lee.
Peter’s last fight with Vulture was actually good. Vulture is supposed to be a threat so it wouldn’t make sense for vulture to be written as an easy win. Vulture isn’t a joke of a character, he’s a genuine threat for Spider-Man. But everything else is right
Dude is a 70+ year old cancer patient with wings, Peter is a mid 20s superpowered hero. It shouldn't be hard for Spidey nowadays even if he holds back.
@@numbersandletters0i608Facts, Spider-Man may be a street tier Hero but he can definitely still give the top tiers a good fight. He shouldn’t be struggling against the Vulture it makes no sense.
That's legit the most adorably stupid thing I've ever read. As if a bland token knock-off like Miles Morales will ever be able to legitimately match Peter in popularity and/or iconic status, much less *surpass* him. To even consider that as a possibility speaks to a level of out-of-touch, fart-sniffing delusion & a lack of self-awareness that it defies all comprehension. It's so nonsensical that it'd be genuinely hilarious if it weren't so utterly pathetic.
Yeah Gleason's art heart is really carrying issues 33 and 34. Like damn the sorrowful expressions he gives Norman actually makes me feels somewhat bad for him and he just draws black suited spiderman in such a imposing yet appealing way. The plot is still contrived and Peter attacked a bridge full of people to get Paul/MJ so yeah that suck. Makes me sad that evil Peter has the only two half decent issues out this whole run. So far this and the previous doc ock arc have been somewhat okay.
It'll take more than a few good stories to convince me to give Zeb Wells a mulligan (People liked "Big Time" before Dan Slott ruined his goodwill with "Superior" IIRC )Sadly as intriguing as this may be, I believe that this is a long plan to make everyone so sick of Peter Parker that they'll embrace Miles Morales as being the one true Spider-Man. But all that would do in the long run is make everyone resent Miles. I have a feeling that Spider-Goblin will become Peter Parker's "Emerald Twilight."
Marvel, more of this. Kinda. Ur moving in the right direction. After years of disrespect he finally gets a huge W. Sorta. Did Zeb finally listen to us? I’d personally change kraven being terrified from the get go to being excited that he got an even more worthy opponent but is a lil scared. A lil doubtful. Then shits bricks later
Looks like a fun concept and that art is stick but this is like the 5th time they revisited Kraven's Last Hunt. I usually love when callbacks and revisits happen but this is too much. We had some kind of Hunt story line in Slott, Spencer and Wells.
2 months later having read up to Gang War just now, man they really do NOTHING with this story. Just, boop. Back to normal. Paul’s fine. No relationship shakeup. Just more child-adult sadness from Peter as he’s broken up with. And don’t even get me started on Randy’s wedding.
Honestly the way Marvel has abused and hurt Peter over the years, I feel good seeing Peter go off he needs to have a bad day to do what should have been done years and years ago… let the venom consume you Peter 😈
Mullet Man i'd love for you to cover Green Goblin vs Swordsman from when Norman ran H.A.M.M.E.R his little monolouge is fucking insane and hillarious and his fight with swordsman (A man who just defeated Mac Gargan venom) where he makes Swordsman cry out to his mommy before fucking crucifying him. Another comic is "Revengeof the Green Goblin" where Peter is drugged, weakened, tricked into thinking he started a fire and jumped people, then juped by Green Goblin before torturing Peter with literal fucking lightining to make him take the goblin serum.
Holy- Didn't think I'd see a story that could too Spider's Shadow evil Pete, but God that was awesome to hear you transcribe lol And in the perfect suit for him to go unhinged in, badass.
The Joker had one bad day, but Spidey had one bad life.
Just proves how weak the Joker was in the first place
Is Spider-Man even supposed to hate his life? At least by this much?
Someone once said it's not the trauma that makes you a hero or a villain. It's what you do with it. Don't make them feel your pain, protect them so that pain never gets felt again.
@@MorArkGP Either Superman or Batman said that
More like One More Day. Or Brand New Day, pick your poison
Knowing Marvel, I won’t be surprised if this story ends with Mary Jane hating Peter, further destroying their relationship and strengthening her love for Paul.
I'm 120% sure this is were it's headed. If not I'll become religious, because I that there's someone out there that heard our prayers.
We can always hope, but this run hasn’t given us much to be hopeful for.
I mean who cares? They've done the peter and Mary dynamic like 1000 times now
@@gpmegamanpeter will just die alone since marvel hates him with ANY WOMAN, not just Mj.
It probably go like that or similar tbh. It won't end well.
"Despite everything you've done for them eventually they will hate you" - Green Goblin. Seriously marvel must seriously hate spiderman at this point by screwing him over constantly.
All so Miles can look good by comparison.
@@dhnation4975I think its less that and more that when people think of Spider-Man, people think of him overcoming great obstacles… So when Spider-Man has overcome everybody obstacle but they need to keep churning out comics, naturally, the easiest solution is to just *escalate* .
If I recall correctly, there was an era where spidey was also absolutely miserable and then ultimate Spider-Man came along, so who knows. Maybe we’ll eventually get an actual good series.
@@matthewbibby8921bro his aunt has died like 8 times and he sold his relationship to save her he is overcoming a fucking mountain his struggle is not relatable no one has this much bad luck
Nice callback.
Personally, I feel like Peter’s earned this. He’s spent his entire life being the better person, he deserves a day off to just be evil, as a treat.
Yeah
Problem with that is it makes him a hypocrite to every ideal he’s ever stood for
@@sinfuladamgood the ideals peter has had are not actually his own there were uncle Ben's ideals and Ben's ideals where the epitome of unrealistically optimistic. "with great power comes great responsibility" sure however he completely forgot to mention nor teach peter that great responsibility comes ever lasting suffering and having your life ruined for ungrateful and uncaring people,
Uncle Ben effectively wanted peter to essentially be everyone's dog's body, even Thor in one comic called peter out on this idea on why does he have to be every mortal#s servant when he's effectively a demi-god to them, Even T'challa/ Black Panther understands that yes he is selfless and helps those beneath him he still understands that he is also ABOVE them and makes sure that those he cares about and also his enemies KNOW IT!.
the Hero complex doesn't seem to understand that fear and ruthlessness is just as important and mercy and compassion. it's all about balance and trust me Peter's effectively been fighting with one hand behind his back for decades.
@@michaelkean5969 It's very easy to walk past that line Peter is doing this for uncle Ben. Using the ideals he valued because when he dawned that mask he dawns a man that tries to uphold those ideals no matter the cost. And if this is what breaks Peter if this is what truly diminishes him from walking past that line then he doesn't deserve to wear that mask after all the shit hes been through. Even after his aunt got shot and nearly died he still didn't kill and he damn sure didn't enjoy what he was doing. And besides it's not just spider man it's super hero life in generalThat's what you sign up for when you become a super hero
It’s peters cheat day.
I swear to god if there aren't 5 whole issues of spidey tormenting paul Im gonna riot
IT WAS MEEEE PAUL! I'm the one who clogged your toilet to overflow on flushing and took away the toilet paper roll.
I hate the whole "separating Goblin and Norman with a magic gun" thing. I always prefered the idea of the Goblin not as Osborn's dark side, but as his unhinged side. Even in the Ditko days, Norman was shown to be a scum-bag before he was revealed to be the Goblin. Stan Lee and Romita introduced the different personalities thing, but Norman the and the Goblin but wanted the same thing: money, influence and power, they just had different means of acheivening it. He's not a good man turned evil, he's an evil man that's no longer trying to hide it from the world.
The Kraven clone was also stupid. It feels like Spencer trying to have his cake and eat it too since the point of that arc seemingly was to return Kraven to the grave.
All that said, this arc has the potential to be a satisfying (if not objectively good) end to a horrible era for the character. Just have Peter get his revenge against a bunch of bad guys who have particulary messed up his life (maybe saving Osborn for last). Have Osborn come back as the Goblin in the end, have Peter undergo actual personal growth from this instead of just suffering and then resetting everything and maybe end with a few of the villains ACTUALLY dead to shake up the status quo. Peter can angst about that without having to directly make him responsible for it in the eyes of fans.
Sure, the revenge part would be mostly fanservice and a little fanfic-y, but so was Peter and MJ getting back together with little build up and people liked that.
Yeah I agree when I have seen Norman not as the Goblin, he still was a piece of shit treating his son like he was just property and even stole his girlfriend and impregnated her.
And why a gun, though? Even if you wanted to use a different weapon, I can get that, but it doesn’t work here. At least use a sword if you don’t wanna think hard on something, which would fit better if you wanna ‘separate’ the Goblin from the man
Well kinda I like e dark side stuff as long as they show that Norman is a bad person but has some good in hi mrathrlert than some magic gun
What a brilliant analysis; Norman and the Goblin being both one in the same but also technically not, is the perfect characterization I desire for Norman. I think there are lots of sympathetic villains, and Norman, well, not being one would sure be a breather.
Also, if we know the current status quo, Paul’s gonna end up being MEPHISTO, WOAAAAAHHHH.
I actually do hope he is, though. That’d reverse any kind of important and irreversible consequences and plot contrivances.
There was a time I did believe that the Goblin was a separate entity, would explain how in the 90s cartoon and the Raimi films he appears before Harry in a reflection, tempting him to become Goblin.
But I agree that Norman was always bad and the goblin serum just brought more of it to the surface, it was always there.
There are versions like in films and the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon where he becomes more sympathetic because he sees himself how others have from the outside perspective.
It’s a shame that Spider-Man comics are stuck in this place, and I really really hope that Spider-Man can be Spider-Man again
Ikr, I want him to go back to helping people and fight some c-listers have a joke here an there
Facts Spider man Deserves Better 💯🕷🕸
This movies and games have arguably been better than ever so it makes the fact that the comics suck even worse.
It's a shame Marvel is stuck in this place. I really hope that Marvel can be Marvel again.
Reed Richard: Spider-Man why are you attacking us, I thought we were blood.
Spider-man: sorry reed but new writers, you know how they are.
Hearing that Peter/Spider Goblin is going after Paul next honestly makes me very happy. Seriously Paul is such an unnecessary character and he and his existence pisses me off. I genuinely hope Paul gets killed and gets killed brutally by Spider Goblin and then I hope they reveal Paul was actually Mephisto or is an illusion created by Mephisto and then hope they retcon Zeb Wells’s entire run and reveal that it was all an illusion that Peter and MJ are trapped in and have to escape.
Personally I hope that MJ kills Paul instead because you know if they have Spider-Goblin kill him that’ll be a cheap excuse for MJ to hate Peter.
@@spentlizard353 that would be the satisfying solution, but knowing marvel, they prolly won’t and just find some way to make things worse for peter smh
Peter: I want to kill Paul!
All the fans: wait wait. Let him cook
Burying Kraven, especially the way he did, is cold. Peter, in a way, showed mercy to Kraven by giving him an easy way out with the rifle, unlike Kraven did to Peter. When Kraven buried Peter, Peter would've had to either dig his way out (as he did) or let oxygen run out and suffocate. For Kraven, he either digs his way out, suffocates, or turns to rifle on himself. He basically said "I'm doing unto you what you did unto me, but I'm gonna show how I'm a better person than you by giving this ticket out."
spiderman who kills anyone who's tormented him.......I like it.
Marvel writer:💀
Honestly, I love Peter losing his shit and just beating enemy. This issue in particular is satisfying after years of Peter just plain being incompetent, so him pulling reverse on Kraven Last Hunt is so good.
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Speaking of the Batman Who Laughs, I think it was a very good artistic decision to make Superboy-Prime the one that doomed his plans. Who better to troll the typical ridiculously powerful villain that abounds today than the only character aware of how infinitely better the heroes and villains of the past were compared to the trash writing we get nowadays? 😌👌
In that case, is it even trash writing? Also Nightwing is still getting written well so I’m chillin
I thought that it was Wonder Woman that beat him? Also to me it feels like it would have been better if Batman was the one that beat him since the Batman Who Laughs is someone Batman fears he would become.
@@iammask1073 SBP set up Wonder Woman's dub by severly wounding BWL (they were pretty much equal) and hes still alive.
@@bobbyshewan4229if they ruin nightwing we riot
I thought it was Joker who beat him, or was that just a different run?
Spider-Man given Kraven the gun in the end is proof there is still some good in him. At least he gave Kraven the option for a quick death.
Plot twist it's loaded with a rubber bullet and he sabotaged the firing pin.
Spider-Man going after Paul next will either be exactly what we need or a massive anti-Spider-Man bomb waiting to detonate and doing what we can only imagine against his character like a massive nail in the coffin. One such imaginable possibility is it making sure he and MJ never get together again, in turn. Is Marvel smart enough to turn Paul into a twist villain? We can only imagine. If you won’t write a proper villain after everything he did as was obviously primarily intended, then there’s just faceless villainy embedded in the writing, and that’s unacceptable anywhere, no matter what.
Honestly it can't be a bigger anti-Spiderman bomb than having Spiderman throw away his entire character to act like the damned Green Goblin.
@@legotechnic1314 Maybe not but it’ll still be very damaging as well as hurtful.
He literally tells MJ that she's gonna pay for leaving him for Paul... lol.
@@LP1ToTheEndOfTime Such a certified Spider-Man moment… (being sarcastic, in case you couldn’t tell)
Basically the story likely has no deeper meaning except ‘making sure MJ will never wanna be with Peter again’. Relatable, right? Yeah, at this point, wanting Spider-Man to be ‘relatable’ sounds like an excuse at this point, a thin veil to hide the fact that they have this unhealthy hate for the character.
Marvel really needs a Crisis on Infinite Earths-type event, the kind that gives the studio the green light to reboot. And they really need to reboot, not just for their superhero world, but one that also reaches to the studio itself, with things like new writers, especially, who know what they’re doing and don’t hate characters or superheroes in general.
@@legotechnic1314Tbf he did get stabbed by something that had a Goblin virus or something, hopefully marvel doesn't screw this shit up
Angry fan: nooo you ruin spiderman he would never do this!!!!
Marvel editors: hes going for Paul now
Angry fan: ok keep talking
Let him cook
Glad to see green goblin hitting the griddy again
This run may be tarnishing Zeb Wells name, but I'll always respect him for that comic strip where Eddie tries to use Venom as toilet paper.
Edit: The Goblin who Guffaws? The Spider who Snickers? I'll come up with something for this version of Peter.
"The Spider Who Gobbles" is one I see very frequently.
A spider's silent chuckle
“The Spider Who Slaughters”
Hell yeah.
There’s only one word I use to describe Nick Spencer’s run, innovative. While it stumbles in its final hours, the amount of dedication Spencer had to bringing Peter Parker back into something that isn’t Marvel Editorial Torture Montage. Nick Spencer’s while not perfect, was the best thing to happen to the Spider-Man run in a very long time.
That ending was magic
It’s a canon event for Spider-Man to be sad prove me wrong
now it's gonna be a canon event where he goes out on a killing spree on everyone who's done him wrong.
that's the point of the movie
Spider-Verse is going to change the game.
Remember everyone Spiderman can never get a break, even when it comes to his writers
Given from what I've heard (and Linkara has said iirc) where Spider-Man keeps being the punching bag and has anything nice taken away from him because "he needs to be a teenager dealing with endless teen issues, angst and high school/college drama along-side villain of the week forever or else he 'can't be relatable anymore' to the younger audience", I legit believe that Marvel's upper staff need to finally once and for all realize no one actually cares if Spider-Man isn't the exact same as he was at the start and that he can change and grow with the audience. Not just be held back because the writers are too unwilling/lazy/ect. to actually do new things with Spider-Man other than be tempted to go full Berserk soon.
Linkara even said this: "If they're going to write Spider-Man like he's still in High-School. then why the hell isn't he there?"
So they actually retconned Norman's backstory of him being merged with the goblin demon instead of him going crazy because of the chemicals.
Technically he's wrong. There's no goblin demon it's just normans sins being cleansed. In other words Norman had all his evil taken from him and now Peter has it.
@@calvintyler9281makes sense since he was shot by the sin eater
"Kraven, but not Kraven, but Kraven's son"
Me: you made my brain do an ouchy :(
If Paul's head doesn't end being served in a paper plate then I'm gonna be so done with this.
The main reason why people seem to love this-
Is because Peter Parker is our boy in all his forms.
And there's two things we love to see more than anything.
The first is to see Peter getting a break, we love nothing more than our boy getting the win, riding into the sunset, and having some peace.
We all know we ain't fucking getting that here.
So we settle for the second option.
The only thing we may love more than seeing Peter get his way as a good guy.
Is seeing him get his way as a villain.
You wanna write him out of character? Commit to the bit and make him so out of character that it wraps around to being in character.
Bring out the black suit, set him up with Black Cat, and make him the king of something, let him go absolutely berserk and start dealing out karma.
Only thing better than getting a break is getting even.
Will it last? Of course not, it never does.
But this would be a PERFECT chance to write a "Spider-Man kills the Marvel Universe" style of story. Have him take on the combined forces of the X-Men, Avengers and Fantastic Four all at the same time, and put on a showcase of Spider-Man not holding back.
Hell, at this point, have him go full on Batman who laughs in the current universe and destroy said universe, it'd basically redeem an irredeemable version of the character and set up perfectly for a retcon to undo all the damage that's happened here, throw in a scene where he either allies with or rips Mephisto to pieces, and you have a perfect case of poetic villainy.
If we can't see him win as a hero, at least let us see him be the best villain he can possibly be.
I especially want the Mephisto bit to happen, and it'd fit, as he's driven by a demon of Mephisto's own making, which is doubly poetic.
In a world where Spider-Man can't be the hero we need, let him be the demon we deserve.
Agreed. Go full Web of Shadows. Make it interesting.
I'm done with half-measured attempts. Think the writers are too.
i saw some study saying humans are getting dumber, the state of comics kinda backs that up
Please (if you can and it does happen) I hope you cover the story of him going after Paul.
I feel a little sadistic hoping he goes after MJ to consider (what I heard anyway) she sent Peter back and literally moved onto the guy next to her so not exactly innocent but I’m just gonna wait to see.
Yeah Paul is basically the personification of the newest low in his life but still
We need a part 2 to this video
He's going to treat both MJ AND Paul to 19 inches of venom
The fact that a cracked out Spidey will soon hunt down Paul gives me hope that it’s a possibility that marvel might actually listen to Spider-Man fans for a change lol.
Since the beginning of this run I’ve been so disheartened with the direction the Marvel editors have taken Spider-Man. So much bullshit. So to see Peter being more aggressive is a breath of fresh air
“Spider-Goblin” has been a concept before. Like when Spider-Gwen met a version of Peter who killed Norman after his Gwen’s death. Or in Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon when Norman fused his DNA with those of Spider-Men across other worlds.
Spiderman without rules is always fulfilling
Kravin: *stabs Spiderman-Man with magic spear and realizes he just gave the Green Goblin Spidey's body*
Also Kravin:....I think I f%*$* up
"The risk I took was calculated. But man, am I bad at math."
When I read the run, I thought it was going to go like this:
Peter and Mj are still together, but they share custody of the two kids with Paul. The two kids mainly live with Paul, but visit Peter and Mj from time to time. After issue 26, Peter, Mj, and Paul go to therapy to figure out what to do, mainly Mj and Paul. Mj decides to take heroing, and Peter helps her become a hero.
Something I with they stole from manga is Peter having it hard not because the fate is discriminating against him in particular but because the villains trained between rematches
This ain't go woke go broke anymore. This is just Marvel allowing bad scripts or editorials forcing writers to rewrite it just to be crud
Didn't the kids vanish
never cook again. if you show this to a editor at marvel you'll definitely get hired due to how shit it sounds.
If this could be adapted in Marvel's Spider-Man 2 because this would be so Ill to see
I Hope You’re referring to the “Kraven being the hunted” part and not the “Spider-Man going goblin mode” part.
Damn the reverse kraven last hunt(or how to call it) hits hard!
Peter's First Hunt
This feels cathartic. The writers have been doing Peter dirty for so long that having him get revenge is oh-so-satisfying.
If Peter beats the brakes off of Paul, I won't be upset in the slightest.
Hate to break it to you, but Paul survived...
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More plot armor than Batman Istg
@@leomolina1605 It's not just the plot armor he already has, but he isn't that special at all.
You would think for one of if not THE very first Marvel character created by Stan Lee himself would get waaaaay more respect in his treatment than how he’s been getting steamrolled by his own authors
That mj is like a sister jump cut was so un called for
Written in Alabama
I feel like the spider-goblin is just a thematic continuation of the Superior Spiderman. Soon his body will play host to all of his enemies, from Electro to the Kingpin to even Rhino! Hey, maybe we can even give White Rabbit a turn, wouldn't that be a lark?! I can't wait for Mysterio to possess him! It will be so fun!
Big Wheel Spider-Man would be the best arc
This seems interesting. If he's really a "Goblin" Spider-man, I would hope he gets a new costume to reflect that.
I've binged all of your videos over the past couple days...
And they're amazing. You pick VERY good stories to cover, and the dark ones are mine boggling (but addicting somehow.) Keep it up man, this is really good stuff.
Me when paul finally get what he deserves whoa baby that's what we're've been waiting for
I can't say I read comics at all but I've seen so many synopses of Spiderman comics where the writers just treat Peter like garbage or humiliate him by now that I genuinely wonder if it's people that have a grudge against Stan Lee.
Got this comic signed by Yuri Lowenthal! Super dope comic, thought it was fitting considering Spiderman 2 is about Kraven vs spiderman
6:49 absolutely slayed me you sir have earned a life long fan/supporter 😂😂😂
Who knew Peter turning heal would be the thing that saved Spider-Man
6:39 Paul better pray because this spider man is about to steal his cheeks
Pause. But Still, Paul Better Start Running
Black air force peter
I LOVE to see it😂
I immediately picked this book up when J & G dropped a review of it
5:49 this gotta be my favorite panel of spiderman for the rest of this month.
Probably the best panel to come out of this terrible run.
It just has such a strong power to it.
The artists who worked on this issue need a raise.
Haha Hell yeah
See, I just don’t think you understand the awe inspiring power, prowess and gentleness of my king, Paul 👑
Peter’s last fight with Vulture was actually good. Vulture is supposed to be a threat so it wouldn’t make sense for vulture to be written as an easy win. Vulture isn’t a joke of a character, he’s a genuine threat for Spider-Man. But everything else is right
Dude is a 70+ year old cancer patient with wings, Peter is a mid 20s superpowered hero. It shouldn't be hard for Spidey nowadays even if he holds back.
@@numbersandletters0i608Facts, Spider-Man may be a street tier Hero but he can definitely still give the top tiers a good fight. He shouldn’t be struggling against the Vulture it makes no sense.
*GET BACK HERE KRAVEN! KRAVEEEENNNNN! YOU CAN'T ESCAPE ME, I'LL CHASE YOU TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH!*
“In case you want to skip to the end “ is crazy
Spider-Man with that absolutely NEFARIOUS get-back.
The ending of the video was the best part of the video😂❤❤😂
Seems that all badassery that disappeared from the other spider man's run went to this funny side story
Personally I would rather have Spider-Man have the venom symboite because he would much more of a monster
I mean it would only look more monstrous if he wanted it too lol
Just like in Spider's Shadow
The idea is that if they ruin peter enough, people will actually read miles morales
That's legit the most adorably stupid thing I've ever read.
As if a bland token knock-off like Miles Morales will ever be able to legitimately match Peter in popularity and/or iconic status, much less *surpass* him. To even consider that as a possibility speaks to a level of out-of-touch, fart-sniffing delusion & a lack of self-awareness that it defies all comprehension. It's so nonsensical that it'd be genuinely hilarious if it weren't so utterly pathetic.
Know what, I would rather peter just stay this demonic, evil, revenge seeking madlad than go back to zeb wells peter after this point
Spiderman simbiont: GET BACK HERE PAUL
Paul: run
Spiderman simbiont: PAUUUUUUUUUUL
Kraven accidentally puts Goblin in Peter
Whole universe: “My God, what have you done?”
This is the first thing in a while that has made me interested in reading spiderman
Plz keep us updated on this story we need a prt 2
Yeah Gleason's art heart is really carrying issues 33 and 34. Like damn the sorrowful expressions he gives Norman actually makes me feels somewhat bad for him and he just draws black suited spiderman in such a imposing yet appealing way. The plot is still contrived and Peter attacked a bridge full of people to get Paul/MJ so yeah that suck. Makes me sad that evil Peter has the only two half decent issues out this whole run. So far this and the previous doc ock arc have been somewhat okay.
Appreciate the video, need the follow up when it’s out
Time to write my own Spider-Man.
I love this version of Spider-Man and I can’t wait to see what he does to Paul
I use to read comics as a kid. Thanks for keeping the dc comic stuff alive man😇
The ending got me 😂
Gobby hittin da griddle kinda cute🥰😍🙄✨🙊😭💕💯
I agree with that ending.
Fuck it if they won’t give us Peter being happy with a family then that’s it. No more Mr Nice Guy.
I find it hilarious personally.
You do the goblin voice really well 😂😂
You’re gonna like the new Ultimate Spider-Man run
It'll take more than a few good stories to convince me to give Zeb Wells a mulligan (People liked "Big Time" before Dan Slott ruined his goodwill with "Superior" IIRC )Sadly as intriguing as this may be, I believe that this is a long plan to make everyone so sick of Peter Parker that they'll embrace Miles Morales as being the one true Spider-Man. But all that would do in the long run is make everyone resent Miles. I have a feeling that Spider-Goblin will become Peter Parker's "Emerald Twilight."
Man I can't wait to see Paul get what's coming
When you realise Kaine is the only one of his brothers that’s still a good guy.
I remember seeing this and thinks zeb this is the chance to save your Spider-Man run
HERE'S SPIDEY!
[Paul's girlish screams]
Time to die, Paul
Marvel, more of this. Kinda. Ur moving in the right direction. After years of disrespect he finally gets a huge W. Sorta. Did Zeb finally listen to us?
I’d personally change kraven being terrified from the get go to being excited that he got an even more worthy opponent but is a lil scared. A lil doubtful. Then shits bricks later
Looks like a fun concept and that art is stick but this is like the 5th time they revisited Kraven's Last Hunt. I usually love when callbacks and revisits happen but this is too much. We had some kind of Hunt story line in Slott, Spencer and Wells.
When I heard that Peter is gonna put Paul on a T-shirt I am hyped for the second issue
favorite youtuber by far
😂😂😂😂😂 The Ending Is Hilarious
Spidey already became Doc Ock, now he's becoming the Green Goober they're completely out of ideas for how to ruin his character
So Peter it's like edgy symbiote Spider-man but this time it's dark magic.
2 months later having read up to Gang War just now, man they really do NOTHING with this story. Just, boop. Back to normal. Paul’s fine. No relationship shakeup. Just more child-adult sadness from Peter as he’s broken up with.
And don’t even get me started on Randy’s wedding.
Whenever I hear the green goblin speech I hear zach and oney saying "inside your fucking green asshole"
Honestly the way Marvel has abused and hurt Peter over the years, I feel good seeing Peter go off he needs to have a bad day to do what should have been done years and years ago… let the venom consume you Peter 😈
7:00 shit I never thought I would live to see the day the green goblin hits the griddy in fortnite
Mullet Man i'd love for you to cover Green Goblin vs Swordsman from when Norman ran H.A.M.M.E.R his little monolouge is fucking insane and hillarious and his fight with swordsman (A man who just defeated Mac Gargan venom) where he makes Swordsman cry out to his mommy before fucking crucifying him.
Another comic is "Revengeof the Green Goblin" where Peter is drugged, weakened, tricked into thinking he started a fire and jumped people, then juped by Green Goblin before torturing Peter with literal fucking lightining to make him take the goblin serum.
Well at least we’ll have the ultimate spider man with Hickman soon
Anybody else remembering the time Ben Reily had the carnage Symbiote?
Ya. That was cool. Looked awesome too
Too bad they made him evil for some reason to him. I wounder how his brother is doing
@@lonelywolf5659Well his brother was dead for multiple years until he came back to life recently
Holy-
Didn't think I'd see a story that could too Spider's Shadow evil Pete, but God that was awesome to hear you transcribe lol
And in the perfect suit for him to go unhinged in, badass.
End bit wad comedy gold
Dammnnn thats some good comic. I like how Peter either goes all the way insane or all the way good. So rarely he is in the middle.