SVS 3000 MICRO: Small Sub, Long Video w/ Frequency Response Measurements
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- The SVS 3000 Micro is an extremely compact subwoofer with surprisingly good bass output!
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0:00 Intro
00:34 Disclaimer
00:43 What does it do?
1:09 Who is this NOT for?
1:48 Who is this for?
4:26 What does it do extremely well?
8:08 What does it do ok?
9:37 What are some downsides?
11:33 What are some alternatives? KEF KC62
12:58 No Dynamic EQ
14:07 Sound Demo
14:53 Technical Stuff (Graphs)
16:54 Vs. KEF KC62 (Graphs)
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Wish they'd done a dual opposed 10 inch for a bit more low end extension instead...Nice review though. Thank you.
Its a real shame. This could be my new desk sub but in the netherlands it’ll be about €1050. If you converted $800 usd flat out to eur it’d be €680, that would be great value but at €1000+ it loses that proposition unfortunately
Ouch. Sorry. Any other ways you could get it to you cheaper?
@@joentell nope. It’s just the way it is. All American non-big internationals like svs, emotiva, rythmic etc are way overpriced here. Heck even klipsch is less value here albeit in a lesser manner. Our substitutes are arendal sound, xtz, teufel etc. The first two are pretty good, teufel is budget gear but really popular in the eu.
In terms of value many us-based brands just lose their advantage due to taxes, import duties and retailer fees :(
While svs is tremendous value overseas, for us it puts them in the same price bracket as the established brands like kef, b&w and dali
@@Zoranurai13 Don't blame SVS, blame protectionist tariffs imposed by your country on American products.
114dB is quiet impressive for this little guy.
Love how you , Channa and Joe all support each other. Such a great example of brotherly love.
@@keepingupwiththejones2933 for sure. It’s easy to promote guys that have a good heart.
Joe N Tell's Law. LOL Love it. I'm a huge fan of dual opposing subs.
I wanna see something in the 4000 series level get opposing 13inch.. ~~
That would be sick!
Wonder if that’s anything like Coughlin's Law? (Bonus points for the first person to get the reference)
I would honestly take a SB1000 Pro over this any day.
If you have the space, I think you would get more performance out of the SB1000 Pro
How can you not love Joe. He works the product but never let's the product work him. Honesty and transparency just like a good speaker. Joe is so chocolatey 🥰😍
LOL. Chocolatey. I don't get why people just can't keep it real. It's not really that hard.
@@joentell People are afraid they won't get product if they point out the negatives . If you do it the right way, like you do, the company actually respects you more not less. They know they can trust you to be honest when you point out the strengths and the weaknesses. Sorry to monopolize your chat. I just enjoy you my friend.
@@keepingupwiththejones2933 Which allows them to fix those issues and make a good product better.
Interesting you say that. I asked a very prominent company how easily they can fix issues if found after the product is released. They said they can just work with the manufacturing plants and it would be resolved on their next shipment. I guess they use Just in Time model where they order in batches. The big problem is when they find out really late and they've already sold a ton of product because then they have to go through a repair process or offer refunds.
You’re the only reviewer to provide benchmarks/measurements on this sub! Thank you!
Hopefully the next step for SVS will be a dual opposed 10" subwoofer that can reach 20Hz.
Thanks Joe! Your review on this is much appreciated. I think I'll be going for the SB1000 pro for my man cave (smallish) and that monoprice thx for my living room. Your reviews are amazingly helpful in making a good choice.
Wow SVS is crushing it! Nothing else on the market comes close to matching the size/performance/price of this little thing, amazing!
got two of these in a room 5.2 by 3.4 (meters) and they are fantastic !!you don't even see them necessarily and they blend in with the furniture like a charm !
Damn svs outdid themselves. More and more I am really liking what this company is doing.
They're consistent as a company. I feel like they have high standards internally.
WOW!....thanks Joe....I was really considering the KEF for my situation...and I could have two of these for the price of the KEF!
It's a no brainer!!!!!! GREAT video!!!!!
#Joe N Tell .. this is the way a product Launch should be done ... with your Favourite Reviewers ... launching their Review straight after the Launch ... Long may this trend continue !!
You got it! Me and the Daily Hifi Crew have been pushing for this for a while and SVS is the first to listen. That's why I respect their business. They move quick. Also thanks to folks like you for supporting us!
Nice to see some reviews of smol subs. I have an older Paradigm Ultracube on top of my fridge for my kitchen stereo but the version that I have doesn’t have DSP built in. There are lots of spaces where only small subs would work. There aren’t that many good reviews of them though. I would live to see what other companies (other than SVS and KEF are making in this size.
Very good. "Gateway Sub" i like that!
Looks super slick in white
I’ve been a fan of dual opposed subs for a long time. I love my Power sound audio 3012.
@joe n tell. Can this 3000 micro work behind seating position while using pb 2000 at front of tv
i miss the dynamic eq option, but instead you get eq option, nice if you want 16hz output and get two of them(unless there is built in high pass filter or the parametric eq dont go that far down).
but does the phone control work on two subwoofer at the same time?
I have the pinnicle version of this style called the Baby Boomer. The dual opposing design is interesting it also has pretty low distortion. It is indeed as impressive as possible if you have even 5 percent realistic ideas of what comes out of a 1 foot cube.
the dsp is probably DOPE
Hey Joe! How much room do these Need to breathe on each side?
Finally a small and sleek looking sub from SVS! I bought two "XTZ 10.17 Edge" subwoofers a couple of years ago. They were the only ones I could find that had a design that I and my wife could stand (fairly small and white) while being rather powerful. I'm very curious to know how the SVS 3000 micro stack up against these, because they are even smaller and cleaner looking with their side-facing drivers. Well done SVS!
Gosh you work quick, I only got the email about this subwoofer from SVS a day ago. Santa came early this year. Nice review.
Yes, I told companies they should work closely with us reviewers to have reviews out the same day they release a product. Customers want to see some reviews before they make a big purchase.
Wonder how it compares vs SB1000 for music?
I'm looking for a super portable sub under 30 lbs to move around the house/backyard/park, with my small PA speakers which I would line out from. Playing outside is challenging and that is where I would need the most volume. I realize that piano gloss will scratch easily for this type of use but I'm super careful with my gear.
I have a pair of Bose S1Pro's or a single EV Everse 8, I would pair it with. Both can play about 100dB max even though I don't push them to their limit.
Would the SVS Micro keep up? I know it doesn't have the mid bass punch of a live PA sub. I'm looking for something to play tunes on that is super light weight and able to play audiophile music cleanly to about 25Hz.
I wouldn't use this for any type of live performance. What do you think, is it worth the $900 investment?? I already have a SB3000 that I love, but that 50 lbs monster stays put in the Man Cave.
I noticed some second harmonics around 20-30Hz when you play the frequency sweep. Can you show the THD in ultra low bass?
another great sub from SVS
If price was not an issue which would you choose for a small to med size room? 3000 micro or sb1000 pro?
I did have a chance to purchase a discounted 3000 micro for 650usd as refurb, and a sb1000 pro gloss for 699 retail. I have not received any of them but if you could only keep 1 of them which one would it be?
Thanks for your insight.
Was not expecting the full on review on launch day. That's pretty awesome. As someone with dual HSU VTF2-MK5s this is definitely not the sub for me but you can't say it isn't pretty awesome for what it is.
Yes! We think this the best way for customers. They need to get an idea of the product before making a purchase.
What would this do in a 12x14 room? I use a set of Edifier S3000 pros and I plan on getting a Parasound P6 Halo Pre to drive two subs. I don't need Insane bass, but I would like to feel HARD kicks on the drums and well textured bass on synths and guitar. Would two Micros be able to do that in a small room like mine? Any input is well appreciated. (edit) I listen at around 85 Db
I might have to grab a pair of these!
I like little, powerful subs for some strange reason..
I get it! I have one and I still want another. It's just cool!
I have have 2 large SVS subs up front. Would a pair of these in the back work well for helping to control the bass?
More subs will definitely help with room modes. If you can, play around with placement and measure with something like the UMIK-1. If you're super techy, check out MSO Multi-Sub Optimizer, a free software on PC.
Nice shout out to Erin's Audio. Kleppel 💘
I owned a REL T9i for supporting my B&W 804s. Liked it.
Very curious what 2 of this SVS's instead of a single REL T9i or a single S/510 will do in a comparisson.
This SVS looks like the best value for money.
I’ve build my own, same concept for few years ago because my neighbours...
Got no complaints anymore...😛🤪
How would you compare this to the Pv1d sub from B&W? I'm interested to hear your thoughts. Thanks for the review.
Never heard the B&W
Which is better two of this or one pc4000?
Hey are the grills easily removable? I can't tell because there are no promotional photos with the grill off.
Not easy.
Thanks for the great review. I was actually debating between the SB1000 pro and the KC62, and this seems like the perfect middle option. I am just a bit worried about what you repleid to some other comment about there being a delay because of the DSP. I won't be able to compensate for this because I have KEF LS50 Wireless speakers and they are active with build in amps, so no room correction options. Do you think the delay will cause a problem with integration? I was looking at the KC62 because of the size, but than I was leaning towards the SB1000 pro because I think it goes deeper at higher volumes and more importantly I think the SVS app will help much more with integration than the room EQ options on the KC62 would. This is s big thing because I am limited on placement options. But the problem with the SB1000 pro is that it is actually to big for me. So this new 3000 micro coming out just now seems like a sign almost, haha. But now I'm worried about the delay. (Maybe the KC62 would have this too? And would It become even worse if I connect either of them with a wireless adapter?)
What are your thoughts?
(100% about music, dont care about HT. Medium sized room, I'd say.)
Any sub with DSP adds delay. Wireless adapters add even more. The solution is either having an AVR that does room correction or using something like the MiniDSP 2x4HD and a UMIK-1. In my opinion, the version with DIRAC, the MiniDSP DDRC-24, will make any 2-channel system sound better overall. Some people will say the added delay isn't noticeable, but I don't agree. What is your input source?
@@joentell Well I play from different sources, but I stream mostly from spotify with the build in spotify connect streamer inside the speakers. So if I understand correct how a mini DSP works I should place this between the source snd the speakers? Wich is impossible in this case. Or would it work between the speakers and the sub? (Sorry I am quite new to all this).
Another source is a dj mixer.
@@Ycaro You can put a device like a Chromecast Audio (now discontinued) that you can stream Spotify to via WiFi so it's completely lossless unlike Bluetooth. From there, you could use an SPDIF optical cable to go into the MiniDSP. The miniDSP has 4 RCA outputs. 2 can go into your KEF's, and one can go to a sub. Now you have one RCA left over for another sub. In the miniDSP software, you can apply the corrections necessary to properly blend the sub to your KEF's and also correct the frequency response to optimize the sound for your listening position. Bass is highly dependent on where you place the speakers/sub and where your listening position is. With measurements for a UMIK-1, you can get the sound as close to optimal as possible.
@@joentell Thanks for explaining. I will keep this miniDSP and audo streamer option in mind. For now I think I will just buy the sub see how it works out and than consider buying the rest later if I feel it's necessary. Thanks again for your swift reply and for your help.
That in-room response looks quite good! Nice, good output down to 30Hz.
I was watching this thinking “these would be perfect for a computer desk setup”. And a minute later that’s what you said. 👍
My 2 velodyne mini vee 6 1/2 subs sound amazing next in line are the micro svs for sure 👍🏼
Coming in with the SAME DAY RELEASE REVIEW!! Killin it dude 🤘
How it should be right?
@@joentell for sure! Get the word out as soon as possible!
I'm not sure why small subs are considered "entry level" or "gateway". Perhaps for home theater, but for 2 channel you don't need or possibly want a huge sub. Given how speakers seem to be shrinking over the past 10 years (and thus have trouble going below 50Hz), a small 8" subwoofer (or even 6.5" or less) will hit low enough to add those bottom musical octaves back. I still don't know why quality "musical" (aka sealed) small subs aren't more popular. Kudos to KEF and SVS for jumping into this market to fix what the bookshelf and tower speaker manufacturers seem to be ignoring (a speaker that'll play down to a legit 40Hz).
How about a Kef kc62 vs svs 3000 micro comparison?
I emailed KEF. Let's see.
No info on speed? Looking for something affordable to run with magnapan lrs's. Apparently there's not many that can match up well.
I think many confuse speed with delay. A 20hz tone requires the cone to move at a certain speed and a 200hz tone will cause it to oscillate at 10X the speed. How can a driver be considered "slow" at 20hz when it can properly produce notes at 10x the speed? What I think people are truly referring to is bass integration and that some subwoofers don't respond to an impulse at the same time as the main speakers. This is usually due to the DSP (digital signal processing) used in many powered subwoofers to extend and flatten out the bass response which adds an inherent delay. Most AVR's have a way to compensate for the delay by adding an equal delay to the main speakers. Most 2-channel systems don't have that. A MiniDSP 2x4HD is the solution to this problem.
I believe that REL is popular with 2-channel enthusiasts because they aren't using DSP which means they don't have that added delay. But they also don't have as much bass extension and the response is not as flat.
Great review. Seems like an awesome sub. It would have been cool if they named it the SVS 820 Micro since it has two 8" woofers and it's smaller than the SB1000.
Yeah, I'm not sure where 3000 came from.
@@joentell I think because they are using the amplifier from the 3000 series.
@@keepingupwiththejones2933 that could be possible
Yeah if your sound bar has sub out plug it's a great addition to your setup.
Would 2 of these be good for home theater.
Joe you said you are happy with this sub while using it. What's your room size ? & At what distance you sat from the sub ?
My living room is 14ft x 12 with 9ft ceilings. It opens up into a kitchen that's 14 x 7. It also opens up into another room that's 11 x 8.5. So it's actually a lot of area to pressurize even though it's an apartment. My couch is near a back wall and the sub is near the front so about 12ft away. Being near the back wall means I get a ton of room gain due to the position of the sub near a corner and also my listening position. Listening position as well as speaker placement make a huge difference in response.
czcams.com/video/7geohZWdq1Y/video.html in this example, I can get a 15dB bass increase by moving closer to the corner.
I just like the idea of having a sub whose volume can be changed without having to get up and doing it on the sub itself.
Better than the KEF?
The measurements/specs suggest that it plays deeper frequencies louder. I do a comparison based on specs at the end. The KC62 might have some things that are good about it also. It's smaller. I wouldn't know unless I tried it and KEF's PR team hasn't been great about sending me product for review...they ask and the product never arrives. Probably not KEF's fault directly. No hard feelings toward the company. I just don't like the deceptive marketing with the 11hz claim and the 105dB below it. Whoever approved that, bad decision imo.
These seem like perfect speaker stands for desktop use.
Very useful video. I want to replace my REL T5, it broke down. I do have the KEF R7's since three weeks, so I first looked at the KEF KC 62. But the fact that the frequency response of the KEF sub changes in relation to changes in the volume I tend to the SVS 3000 Micro. And also the fact that the SVS 3000 Micro goes louder low, although not as low as the kef Sub. But then again those 25 Hz and lower I will not be able to hear anyway in the budget available to me, or it must be the room which will generate those frequencies. To get rid of the 3-5 ms. delay I've bought the Mini Dsp Flex balanced. Playing with Dirac and Rew the integration of the new sub is going be a quite journey.
Broke down? Did u play it loud?
@@alexpal1495 It was an old, not so very well built, REL T5. I guess the amp of the T5 broke down. The costs of investigation and/or repair would not justifie the expense so I decided to replace the T5. I did replace the T5 with the SVS 3000 Micro by the way. But I did not buy the Mini DSP Flex Balanced, I bought the Mini DSP SHD instead.
@@a.h.d.h.2803 how do you you do volume control with the minidsp?
@@alexpal1495 There are three possibilties: 1. Mini DSP SHD comes with a remote control. 2. My phone: I have a Broadlink RM4 Pro and the app of Broadlink on my phone, so I can control the Mini DSP SHD also with my phone. And 3. Since I have Amazon Alexa I can also control it with my voice using Amazon Alexa.
I’m wondering if this sub is similar to sb1000pro in terms of max level around 30Hz and below. Which one is better for music. It would be great to see also 3000mini with 10” dual woofers:)
just got the sb1000pro for music. Im also wondering how this sub compares to it.
I don't think this 3000 Micro will have as much output as those larger subs. Still handles business though.
THAT .. was fast... lol =) nice.
lol
🤔 the micro or sb1000 pro.. Joe, have you heard the 1000 pro? How do you feel the two compare/which produces more bass?
I have the PB 1000 Pro. It has deeper bass and more out put but also much larger. I haven't heard the SB-1000 Pro.
@@joentell thanks. Enjoy the great content. Very timely
@@joentell so I pulled the trigger on the micro and sent the sb1000pro back. The micro plays louder and with more authority in my room, surprisingly- or not considering the $$$. I would guess that the micro fills a space between the sb1000pro and sb2000pro in terms of sound. This guy has zero vibration, like you mentioned. I’m impressed
Wow! You got it already?
@@joentell Tuesday! SVS doesn’t mess around. Playing around with placement still
At $800 I this thing seems expensive to me.
What does it do that the SB1000 does not do?
It definitely isn't pocket change for most people. Compared to similar subs in form and function, this is about half the price of competitors.
How about placing the micro sub in a media furniture?
They said on their podcast that you can do that.
Are those Ohm Walsh's? When you get a set of them?
Larsen 4.2's. I have a review of them if you're interested.
The grills are removable? Sick as fock!
What is more impressive the 3000 Micro, Joe's dope haircut or Joe's amazing shirt? I say the shirt , then the hair and the subwoofer last. I need a subwoofer to ruin stuff around my house 🏠 🤣😂😅
Ha! I'll go 3000 Micro, hair, then shirt. ;-)
@@joentell You wrong as usual😂🤣😅. That shirt is in the Hawaiian Shirt Hall of Fame🤩😍🥰
Thats the two 8inches drivers makes it better than one sb3000 12inches.Basically am trying to say thats the two add it up to make it 16inches.I am not good at these audiophile measurements.
It doesn't add up to the size of 16" since it's not double the surface area since they aren't squares. Maybe equivalent to something like an 11" driver. Somewhere between 10"-12".
This 3000 micro better then SB 2000pro ?
I'm about to buy the SB-3000 next week to replace my SB-1000. Is there is big difference in terms of power between the SB-3000 and the 3000 Micro Sub?
They might actually be using the same amp surprisingly. I don't know for sure though.
@@joentell That’s what I’ve also read but regarding the size, weight and price differences, i don’t understand how could it be possible !
The amp folds down to the bottom of the enclosure so they had to rearrange a few things if it is the same amp. I think that maybe why they still call this the 3000 series.
So if I have two JBL 305s, how could I plug of these to it?
Thanks for the help :-)
Good question. RCA input into the sub. And another RCA cable going out from the sub to the JBL's. I haven't tried it, but I think that's how it would work. Then set your crossover using the app, level match, then match up phase using test tones and pink noise.
@@joentell do you know if the RCA out got HPF?
No, if would be just passthrough
I have the Sb 3000 paired with Martin Logan motion 40. Do you think two of new micro will be better than two of the Sb 3000.I will used them mainy for 80% music and 20 % movies.Thanks always for the nice contents.
I haven't tried the ML so I can't say. How do the specs compare?
@@joentell The frequency response is 40 to 25hz.The crossover response is 500 & 2600Hz .It is measured 92db .
@@nanao1267 Sorry, I misread your comment initially. I think two SB3000's will have more output. But they're also larger. Just depends if you have the space and how much you value the space savings at the cost of some overall output.
@@joentell You dont have to be sorry. It is ok. I have the space and i just love the white subs.I just hope i don’t lose much output if i switch to two micro subs.Currently i have one Sb3000.Thanks again for the help.
Another factor is how big your room is.
Kef _really_ needs to send you a KC62 for comparision as this review just caused me to hold of the KC62 purchase. What i am personally interested in is the difference in precision between the KC62 and the 3000 Micro.
I wish they would too. When we're talking about these products that are really pushing the boundaries for tiny subs, small differences in size make a big difference. The SVS 3000 Micro's dual 8's are equivalent to about an 11.5 inch woofer. The dual 6.5's on the KEF KC62 would be equivalent to about a 9" woofer. I think it's that extra 20% extra cone surface area as well as the larger enclosure that gives the 3000 Micro the edge in those lower frequencies.
@@joentell Yes, but other areas of interest is how precise each sub is when playing. Bigger does not need to be always better (when playing music). In addition to that: the wireless connection modules from KEF and SVS are very different (KEF: 24 bit/ 5GHZ, SVS 16 bit 2.4GHZ) and does this translate into sound differences? In any case i strongly believe that KEF should -at this price level- provide wireless controles and /or a wireless module with this sub - the KC62 just becomes too expensive otherwise (that being said by someone who does not need to care about his budget, but does care about value for money and sound quality).
If you're referring to tight bass or more specifically control or damping factor, most well-designed sealed subs with good amplifiers will perform very well. If we're talking a poorly designed ported or bandpass subwoofer with an underpowered amp, then maybe you would notice a difference.
I've just emailed KEF's PR company to see if they want to send me the KC62 to review. We'll see what happens.
I listened to both the Kef was muddy in comparrison
What u think is more powerful this or pb 2000 pro
I think the PB2000 Pro will have more output. Generally speaking, the speaker with a larger cabinet, and more surface area will have more output. Of course wattage and excursion plays a role too.
@@joentell i refunded my pb 2000 pro for cash. I’m using the cash to make 2 coustom 15inch boxes. I’m using 2 Dayton audio 15inch ultimax drivers and putting them in separate boxes. Boxes are tuned to 20hz, running each on 1,550 watts with crown amps. This setup is around the pb 2000 pro budget and completely destroys the pb 2000 pro.
Dual 10 variant might be the one for me.
That would be beast!
2.2 bookshelves or HT L/R front stage. Heres something nutty how about one of these little subs under the center ch.
Bass is not easy to localize especially when there's no extra noises from port chuffing or rattling. So I don't think you would benefit from putting it under the center channel as much as you would if you put the subs in optimal locations.
@@joentell thanks for the tip joe. Which brings me to the question of choosing speakers for HT that can get close to full range in all channels. Phil jones spoke on the imax enhanced feature. Might be a topic to cover on hifi daily.
Joe sir can i use a 15yr old pioneer 5.1 satin gold as a power amp
I'm not familiar with that amp, but why wouldn't you be able to?
Fosterx 6 inch subwoofer for the win!
Op if you are all about pound for pound bass levels i suggest you check out any sub from sunfire.
What size is your room,Joe?
The technology derived from devialet?
Back to back drivers that cancel the vibration of the other
Dual opposing is not new.
Why are you comparing your figures (inc. room gain) against Kef’s solid red line (which you said was in open space)? Surely it’s the dotted red line to compare to, in which case the Kef is better?
Because my frequency response measurement was in-room but avoiding room gain caused by close placement to walls. If I would've done it that way, the numbers would be significantly higher. I've made a review where I've moved a speaker around my room and measured the changes. I think it was this video czcams.com/video/0zT-R9JC0Qw/video.html
@@joentell Ah ok, I missed that. Thanks for the explanation.
It was a very valid question you asked.
Still gonna go for the PB2000 pro. Port plugs and sealed mode should do just fine for stereo.
You prefer that to the SB2000 for more output, for movies?
@@joentell Hey Joe,
Kinda, yeah. I'm running a SB1000, mostly for music, and it's great at what it does. It's going to my brother and his kids mainly for his music and light movies (nothing too crazy, Marantz PM6006, RP-600M, and the SB-1000, mid volume, mid-size room, fun for the family).
I'm looking for a bit more oumph for myself, that can work for music and movies, and not too expensive (I'll get another one later down the line, maybe). I don't mind the bulkiness as much as I use to. I think it'll be a good compromise.
That's it! Thanks for the good work :) You're one of the people I blame for getting me into the 'audiophile' rabbithole :D Currently running a IOTA VX stack, and a pair of bargain towers (Elac F6.2). I actually prefer the RP-600M in general, so I'll be looking into changing the towers eventually.
Cheers!
That's awesome! You running DSP?
@@joentell Nope. Don't think I will bother TBH, or the 7.1 'home theatre', maybe later.
I like the tone shaping options on the SVS Pro's, that should do just fine for a while, with a bit of room treatment, if I really want to. Still not settled yet, so I'll see once I get there.
Oh yeah, let us know if you get your hands on a PB-2000 pro, and the sealed versus ported modes :)
How the heck do you get such flat response in your room? Do you have an anechoic chamber? My room response looks like the Himalayan Mountains.
For measurements, only doing a nearfield measurement, otherwise I would get the same huge swings in response as you're describing
Steve Guttenberg (Audiophiliac) claimed he heard some high frequency sounds coming from the electronics of the SVS 3000 Micro when reviewing this sub woofer on the 20th of March 2021; three days after your review. Does his remark refer to a case of tinnitus and so you did not notice those high frequencies?
I think if you were to put your ear right next to various powered subwoofers, you might hear something like that. Those are high power class D amplifiers with their gain turned up! Even if the input signal is low or off, the amps are still on often past 80% gain.
@@joentell Thanks Joe. I understand you didn't hear it as you did not mentioned it in your review. I have a REL Q 200 (00's) and a younger, but old as well, REL T5. They both have A/B Class amps and both have a little hum coming from their electronics as well. I'm changing my setup and use this opportunity to get rid of both REL sub woofers as well and replace them (possibly with SVS 3000 Micro's), hence my interest. I looked at your review of the KEF KC62 as well and that KEF is still in the 'race'.
I tend to the SVS 3000 Micro because they keep a higher level below the 40 Hz even though they don't go as low as the KEF but then again, as you stated, am I gonna hear that; below 25 Hz? I doubt it. Besides the frequency response of the KEF changes when changing the volume.
@@a.h.d.h.2803 I would opt for 2 x 3000 Micros to 1 KEF. I was impressed with KEF's tech though. They're making the most out of that little enclosure.
@@joentell I agree KEF's tech is impressive. The cycle of life: I bought the Q70's in 1990, I believe they were the first KEFs with the UniQ driver. Then 9 years later the Synthese Floating Point 2 which were a gift (!) came. So I gave the KEF Q70's to some one who was deprived of his HiFi due to a burglary. Almost two years ago I bought the Buckardt S300 MK II, because the tweeters of the Synthese didn't perform well anymore and they could not be replaced without changing the filters as well and I'm not an engineer nor a technician, so I gave them away to a sound engineer. And now I have the KEF R7 which came in last Tuesday. And boy do I enjoy the KEF R7! So it seems I'm back at the brand I bought 32 years ago.
I hooked the KEF R7 up to my new amplifier; HPA S400 ET of Audiophonics. This a D Class amplifier to which a REL Q200 can not be connected, the REL T5 can be connected to a Class D amp. So that's why the REL Q200 has to go anyway.
Your review of the SVS 3000 Micro does tempt me....
Keep up the good work!
Does 2 8 inch subs equal about a 12 inch?
Somewhere between 10"-12" depending on the cone depth.
Oh shit. This thing goes straight after rel and the kc62. This makes me curious about what svs is up to in the future. Imagine an svs 6000 jumbo with dual 16” and 2000w rms lol
A pretty cool unit...... But as the saying goes there's no replacement for displacement
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So...possibly to trade in my pair of REL T5i's for a pair of these. Space has always been an issue. Can't do corner placement though either. :/
I don't believe the REL's use DSP right? If not , it's understandable that they might not hit as deep. Also consider of your amplifier has room EQ since the DSP in the SVS might add delay and you'll need to compensate for that delay on your main speakers.
@@joentell good point. It does not. I have a intergrated and power amp...2 channel listening.
For 2 channel listeners, I truly believe the best upgrade you can do is to check out something like the MiniDSP DDRC-24 and a a UMIK-1. I recommend the DDRC-24 over the MiniDSP 2x4HD because DIRAC does a great job of taking out a lot of the complicated work necessary to apply room eq properly. I'm pretty experienced and I'm don't think I can do a better job than what DIRAC does.
Not being able to delay your main speakers is the #1 reason I think audiophiles recommend REL to each other because it doesn't have DSP and therefore no inherent delay. But they also don't play very deep. My buddy has 2 x 15" REL Predators and those still don't go as low as many of these other subs. MiniDSP is the answer.
@@joentell Happen to be a recent DDRC-24 customer (had REW and UMIK-1 for a while tho) and am on a hunt for a very small sub for my office (around 200sqft). This 3000 micro is looking very tempting. Not finding a whole lot out there in the 'micro' sub market that either isn't a toy...or ridiculously $$ (KEF) - and looked at the REL's options. Not impressed. At all. Thoughts on other small subs that you would consider as contenders with the SVS 3000 micro?
I haven't reviewed others so I can't say from experience. What do you think of the DDRC-24?
Seems like better value than a Sonos Sub Gen 3.
for movies this or pb 2000 pro?
Probably the 2000 Pro if you have a larger room and need more output
@@joentell My living room is huge, around 80m2. However, unfortunatelly I cant afford PB3000, because prices in Europe are much higher than those in US. A strange fact is that i can feel the bass that coming from the little old sub that i have for now connected (Yamaha fsw100), despite the enormous space that plays into. Maybe it has something to do with my near seating position that i have (around 3m). If thats a fact, pb 2000 pro should be more than enough! Here please take a look:
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@@georgexydous2891 yes, that's a pretty open area. Let me know how it goes if you get the PB2000 Pro
@@joentell i probably will, because i cant afford pb3000. Thanks man i will!
@@joentell I bought a 2-month old pb 2000 pro for 1,131$ with isolation feet (1,370$ costs new with isolation feet, prices are different here in Europe). Im very happy with the result.
If they ever make a dual 10 or 12 i am in
SB 3000 or two 3000 micros?
Ohhh...tough one. It depends on your room size. If you have a small/mid-sized room, maybe two 3000 Micros for smoother bass response. One SB3000 if you plan on getting a second in the future.
You need to review the RSL SPEEDWOOFER 10S .. for good tight bass
I wouldn't mind checking those out
You definitely need to contact them to do a review .. hope to see it on here soon
Oh no, not another huge box in my apartment!!! 😭
@@joentell hahaha they are not that big its only a 10" sub
Have you seen the size of my apartment? 😂
2 stacks of 3 please 😊
svs is just doing what they do best overprice everything
Looks much better grilless.
I went for Klipsch SPL100 instead of SVS PB100 because of space.. This new SVS little guy will cater to people like me who want compact subs. Which SVS was not having earlier.. All SVS subs are jaints till now...
It looks cute in the manliest way possible? Now you are just making stuff up 🤣😂😅
Right?!
So you're using this in an apartment? I'm moving to an apartment and don't want to be a nuisance, but want to round out the low end of my sennheiser Ambeo. From your review, it seems this would be a good solution.
They can go loud enough to disturb neighbors I'm pretty sure
Yes your defo still be a nuisance . 3000 m has astonishing lows for its size
I run my ultra towers with the sub grills off lol
What is a DSP? Digital Signal Processors (DSP) take real-world signals like voice, audio, video, temperature, pressure, or position that have been digitized and then mathematically manipulate them.
Would be perfect in my office, but a little expensive
I'm trying them at my desk right now with a MiniDSP to blend it with my main speakers. Oh man! It's a legitimate hifi system!
Very cool design. Looks like they copied the Paradigm/Martin Logan inverted surround driver design.
so extend the plate amp on the bottom to rest on the carpet where there's no airflow. way to go SVS - not call me negative nancy but i've had 3 SB16's fail on me. I was thinking about a pair of these for some magnepans but still unsure. what's the Fs and Q? I'd assume these are in parallel and not push-pull. buy 2 and stack them turning one 90 degrees (I know use the phase control) but it would surely raise an eyebrow and make people ask questions :) deep ass bass is over rated, there i said it. as long as it's low enough to create impact and FAST thats the key IMO. If you want to play 10Hz then go sit inside the enclosure, i.e. your car :)
Class D amps don't get very hot from what I've noticed.
@@joentell better than mosfets at high bias for sure, but since there are no fins, that plate is the only heat sink, and to bury it in the carpet is asking for trouble. It should come with micro sound isolation feet to isolate and elevate :)
It is elevated a bit. I have had my SB3000 for a few years with what I assume to be the same amp in a different form factor with no issues.
I find svs to be over price. I was looking for a small sub for a while, end up with dual original Martin logan dynamo, small and mighty.
I don't know what the frequency response is on those ML, but I think the extra cost is to get that last little bit of performance. I just released a video a few days ago about a slim 8" subwoofer from OSD that is $149 with a discount code. It has pretty good performance especially for the price. But comparing this 3000 Micro to that OSD doesn't make me feel like the SVS is a bad deal based on the performance. It's really impressive imo.
This is going to suit my plan to put a sub in bathroom
You must be shitting me 🤣
Im a 2ch guy and find very few subs sound good for music, vs thump thump for HT.