Scandals That Will Sadly Plague Top Chef Forever

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  • čas přidán 1. 07. 2024
  • There are a lot of reasons why people gravitate toward watching cooking competitions like Top Chef. Some of us like getting ideas that we can turn around and try in our own kitchens, some of us are foodies who appreciate the plating and presentation of high-end dishes, and others just enjoy watching people at the top of their game competing for high stakes and big dollars. Unfortunately, for those cooking show enthusiasts out there, the contestants on Top Chef aren’t always at the top of their game off-camera. In this video, we’ll do a deep dive into the scandals that will sadly plague Top Chef forever.
    #TopChef #Bravo #Scandals
    Marcel Vigneron is assaulted on the show | 0:00
    Mike Isabella is accused of harassment | 1:18
    John Besh is edited out | 2:22
    Graham Elliot is sued for withholding tips | 3:28
    Alex Reznik steals a dish | 4:13
    Paul Qui is arrested | 5:10
    Top Chef asks Texas to pony up | 6:10
    Top Chef Canada's horse meat incident | 7:23
    Boston teamsters target Padma Lakshmi | 8:30
    Tom Colicchio is sued for wage theft | 9:43
    McInnis and Booth scam their own joint | 10:52
    Replacing the original host | 12:04
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  • @MashedFood
    @MashedFood  Před 4 lety +131

    Who's your favorite Food Network personality?

    • @valentinaminauro352
      @valentinaminauro352 Před 4 lety +10

      Ina Gardner the barefoot contessa love her and Jeffrey 🤗✌️

    • @riac5388
      @riac5388 Před 4 lety +5

      It's between Alton Brown & Robert Irvine

    • @Nokenify
      @Nokenify Před 4 lety +30

      Gordon Ramsay.

    • @biggdaddy202003
      @biggdaddy202003 Před 4 lety +7

      @@riac5388 You mean Robert who lied about his resume Irvine?

    • @iamf6641
      @iamf6641 Před 4 lety +5

      ANY DRAMA makes good tv

  • @dfa3366
    @dfa3366 Před 4 lety +646

    The Marcel attack to me was an assault. He could have easily filed criminal complaint that he was assaulted and it was filmed. Nobody has no right to touch another person and what Cliff did to Marcel was considered an assault. It was violent and criminal. If this was a woman yeah we’re talking big time lawsuit.

    • @davs.ketchup
      @davs.ketchup Před 4 lety +7

      I agree with Bernie!

    • @kimberlyy911
      @kimberlyy911 Před 4 lety +7

      I’m so surprised it didn’t escalate to that

    • @MxMe-su1ch
      @MxMe-su1ch Před 4 lety +33

      @coolboy007666 women have been sexually assaulted on other reality tv shows without cancellation (only banning two people from the show).

    • @hugo9846
      @hugo9846 Před 4 lety +12

      This kind of argument really irks me. There is no doubt in my mind that Marcel provoked the incident. He's that kind of guy; difficult to get along with, condescending, and argumentative. He shouldn't be able to hide behind the law when he's a total ass.

    • @dfa3366
      @dfa3366 Před 4 lety +76

      +Hugo^: really? So a 220 pound muscle guy was provoked by someone who is maybe 150 pounds. You have issues if you actually believe that. When you violently pin someone down in a headlock trying to shave their head. If you actually believe your statement you’re fucked up.

  • @sherri1699
    @sherri1699 Před 4 lety +278

    Cliff: assaults dude
    Guy: "we're gonna have to ask you to leave."
    Cliff: *surprised Pikachu face*
    What's the difference between horse meat and any other meat? My Dutch ancestors ate smoked horse meat.
    Also, how is being nervous a scandal for the last one?

    • @pauljansen8161
      @pauljansen8161 Před 2 lety +2

      Hey, how are things with you today?

    • @Mr_Nobody913
      @Mr_Nobody913 Před 2 lety

      @@pauljansen8161 creepy much?

    • @pauljansen8161
      @pauljansen8161 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Mr_Nobody913 Good day to you

    • @rikumajumder1558
      @rikumajumder1558 Před 2 lety +1

      It's mostly Americans I bet trying to virtue signal what should and shouldn't be eaten.

  • @dmartig1
    @dmartig1 Před 4 lety +485

    The pea puree' scandal was manufactured. On that seasons's reunion show two other chefs said they saw him making his own puree. The producers chose not to show that footage to make the guy look like a thief.

    • @didd2810
      @didd2810 Před 4 lety

      david martignetti t5

    • @Hoganply
      @Hoganply Před 3 lety +1

      @The Anthropologist _Forensic Nice forensic rigour there.

    • @whitealliance9540
      @whitealliance9540 Před 3 lety

      He's a theif and a liar

    • @mandyg5444
      @mandyg5444 Před 2 lety +5

      Yeah that whole situation was ridiculous. Considering the contestant next to him watched him make his own. 🙄

  • @justmydeals
    @justmydeals Před 4 lety +114

    I thought for sure the first scandal would be from episode one when one of the chefs got kicked off for tasting a sauce with his finger - something for which ALL of the chefs were horrified by. Yet, we’ve watched over a dozen years of additional Top Chef episodes where ALL the chefs touch the food with their bare hands.

    • @pauljansen8161
      @pauljansen8161 Před 2 lety

      Hey, how are things with you today?

    • @Johnny-lr5jt
      @Johnny-lr5jt Před 2 lety +1

      No, I think it was for double-dipping a tasting spoon.

    • @reginaheath6131
      @reginaheath6131 Před 2 lety

      He wasn't kicked off of the show just out of Chef Keller's kitchen

  • @ggboot1
    @ggboot1 Před 4 lety +779

    I hate Marcel, but no one had the right to put their hands on him.

    • @kirnpu
      @kirnpu Před 4 lety +52

      I totally agree. I didn't care for him but I was shocked when that happened that night.

    • @TheBunnygirl20
      @TheBunnygirl20 Před 4 lety +109

      I liked marcel. Idk why people hated him so much. He did come.off a bit arrogant but he had skill and he's reportedly a nice guy to actually work with.

    • @ZeeGoes
      @ZeeGoes Před 4 lety +48

      @@TheBunnygirl20 same. I thought he was young and eager to show what he knew, he didn't deserve that

    • @juliawolf7954
      @juliawolf7954 Před 4 lety +56

      @@TheBunnygirl20 I agree. I think some of those chefs in Marcel's season were totally mean to him because he was a threat! If you are that good a chef, NO ONE should intimidate you. Holding a fellow contestant in a choke hold is just so childish & grounds for arrest! You are there to cook, not fight. That dude is lucky Marcel never had him arrested! Where is now, in jail? =)

    • @outlawz38
      @outlawz38 Před 4 lety

      @akadeepsea absolutely.

  • @Citizenesse8
    @Citizenesse8 Před 4 lety +224

    They totally skipped over Heather Terhune and Sarah Grueneberg bullying Beverly. It was criminal what they did to Beverly and they should have been called out on it.

    • @sinaiulliel1700
      @sinaiulliel1700 Před 4 lety +35

      i’m rewatching that season and had to stop because i couldn’t bear to watch that again, what they did to Beverly was appalling

    • @broxsius517
      @broxsius517 Před 3 lety +21

      I hated how the reunion other contestants would defend heather. Saying it’s the cooking or leadership bullshit.

    • @kipakimakpkm9615
      @kipakimakpkm9615 Před 3 lety +21

      I was telling my husband the whole time watching this season. They call beverly meek and weak and she asks questions like a sous chef- no she’s just trying to be civil and let you know what she’s doing and asking your opinions so she’s not taking over the dish during team challenges. I can’t believe how consistently fake Sarah and Heather was on the show.

    • @Citizenesse8
      @Citizenesse8 Před 3 lety +4

      @@sinaiulliel1700 I can't re-watch that season.

    • @broxsius517
      @broxsius517 Před 3 lety +1

      @@kipakimakpkm9615 right? Like that’s how a team player is. You make effort to communicate. Clearly heather was still holding a grudge from last challenge and refused to make as much as bev. Respect to the other chefs saying something. It is crazy Heather received death threats and bad letters if you wanted the reunion. She also refused to apologize saying what she said was truthfully at that time.

  • @newhorizonsforfifty2833
    @newhorizonsforfifty2833 Před 3 lety +97

    I never forgot that episode with Marcell being relentlessly attacked. It shaded my view of the whole competition from then on out.

  • @Hogscraper
    @Hogscraper Před 4 lety +132

    'the union workers hissed at her'
    That made me literally laugh out loud imagining some burly dudes hissing like a cat at people entering the filming area.

    • @sarawyatt8484
      @sarawyatt8484 Před 4 lety +5

      All I see is miguel 'hissing' at tiffany in season 1 😆

    • @amberrj.
      @amberrj. Před 3 lety +2

      😂😂

  • @Dios67
    @Dios67 Před 4 lety +95

    The first one; the look of "what do you mean I can't assault someone and stay on the show?"

    • @magusxxx
      @magusxxx Před 4 lety +9

      MTV got lambasted for the same thing.
      One season a guy pulled a blanket off of a woman who was only wearing underwear. She laughed and then later claimed she felt like she was raped. They kicked the guy off the show.
      Yet earlier that very same season .This woman and one other pulled the blanket off a man passed out drunk so they could take a picture of him. Nothing happened.

  • @FemmeBaer
    @FemmeBaer Před 4 lety +407

    Who could forget Marcel and his foams! 😄

    • @masknzgamer
      @masknzgamer Před 3 lety +36

      And yet when ilan tried to do what marcel did easily. He failed

    • @tangerinerose3724
      @tangerinerose3724 Před 3 lety +17

      Loved Marcel! Was a fan. ❤️

    • @nerdygirl2316
      @nerdygirl2316 Před 3 lety +2

      Spit

    • @bigjake55555
      @bigjake55555 Před 3 lety +1

      My least favorite still

    • @amomandotherstuff
      @amomandotherstuff Před 3 lety +12

      I went to culinary school with Marcel, he really is so culinarily talented. Even Tom said that the was the best chef on his season.

  • @chicagogirl14
    @chicagogirl14 Před 2 lety +18

    I still want justice for Carla Hall!! She deserved to win.

    • @Peace2Mateo
      @Peace2Mateo Před 2 lety +2

      I want justice for Nina Compton too!

  • @mudkipjuice
    @mudkipjuice Před 4 lety +959

    Good video up until the last point. Anxiety and hyper-empathy isn't a scandal. Don't contribute to the stigma.

    • @BucketOfFuk
      @BucketOfFuk Před 4 lety +27

      Preach!

    • @djanime317
      @djanime317 Před 4 lety +72

      Right, like they're punishing her because she has a heart not to crush other people's dreams, like tf....

    • @Supersquishyawesomeness
      @Supersquishyawesomeness Před 4 lety +7

      Nitewulf in the television hosting profession it is though.

    • @Supersquishyawesomeness
      @Supersquishyawesomeness Před 4 lety +20

      djanime317 she couldn’t do the job so they replaced her, that’s not being punished.

    • @JashinsMagpie
      @JashinsMagpie Před 4 lety +7

      I didn't take the last point as the scandal being that they hired someone with performance difficulties, but that they switched her out? So the list was kind of on her side?

  • @TearMeOpenIBelieve
    @TearMeOpenIBelieve Před 4 lety +117

    I stopped watching at season 8 I think but I never got over the atrocity of Season 5. And Hosea winning over Stefan. Top Chef had the most horrible elimination/winner decisions ever.

    • @stflaw
      @stflaw Před 4 lety +5

      Unlike singing and dancing competitions, the viewer of a cooking competition is in no position to judge the quality of the contestants' creations. At each stage, the contestants are judged only on their latest creation, not on how well they performed throughout the previous stages of the competition.

    • @TearMeOpenIBelieve
      @TearMeOpenIBelieve Před 4 lety +14

      @@stflaw you have a point, especially for finales, but I still feel salty. I just remember top chef always keeping around the contestants who they knew would never win, week after week for 'one more chance', while sending home the "strong" ones over one weak dish. Granted i haven't watched in years, maybe it's not like that anymore.

    • @tanganiykajames6188
      @tanganiykajames6188 Před 4 lety +2

      Amanda P It’s definitely still like that.

    • @kipakimakpkm9615
      @kipakimakpkm9615 Před 3 lety +10

      I’m just really glad Richard had another opportunity to win, but Angelo should have won his season, unfortunate he got sick.

    • @cigarguy8471
      @cigarguy8471 Před 3 lety

      @@TearMeOpenIBelieve I get where you are coming from, however, having watched the judging so many times, when the best contestants flop they usually flop big, and I mean really big. Those chefs you are talking about that are consistently amongst the bottom rank and will definitely most likely not win the show are always consistent and consistently improving. That consistency and improvement is what makes them continually squeak by until surprise their in the finals. And of course you never would have expected that.

  • @kenshin1644
    @kenshin1644 Před 4 lety +272

    How is the Katie Lee thing a scandal? Seems like it just wasn’t a good fit. It didn’t sound like she like the job

    • @yellowteal
      @yellowteal Před 4 lety +24

      ken shin Exactly. I love watching Katie Lee on The Kitchen but she wasn’t a good fit for Top Chef.

    • @Bluesbreaker-uf8ti
      @Bluesbreaker-uf8ti Před 4 lety +14

      Yeah, this video is kind of garbage and meaningless.

    • @amberrj.
      @amberrj. Před 3 lety +7

      Lee's nasally/ monotone voice is completely unbearable

    • @Bllue
      @Bllue Před 3 lety +2

      Agreed, Lee was not a good fit at all. I really don't think she's a good fit for food related tv in general because I always hate her dishes but that's mee

  • @miralabualjadail4206
    @miralabualjadail4206 Před 4 lety +230

    Judge Tom is great. Those people in season 2 were all bullies it was like the Stanford project. Its like they had no idea how bad they looked trashing Marcel.

    • @masknzgamer
      @masknzgamer Před 3 lety +51

      It honestly made me feel bad for marcel. Watching the whole season made me realize he was just socially awkward. He really seemed like a nice guy and he even helped other chefs when preparing meals. But people like ilan and petty looked like monsters in my eyes. Especially that fake attitude that they try to mask their true faces with

    • @girlygal098
      @girlygal098 Před 3 lety +23

      I have no respect for that group of bullies. They were shitty to Marcel.

    • @lovelylucy6288
      @lovelylucy6288 Před 3 lety +2

      @@girlygal098 for me i think Marcel deserve worst. I don't like people who can't get alone with others and when people retaliate then they are wrong. just my opinion.

    • @blkbrdmntrvimes6438
      @blkbrdmntrvimes6438 Před 3 lety +4

      @Nik Liwanag how so he seemed to be enjoying himself for the most part ....
      Even mikey said the camera crew did an amazing job making marcel look way more innocent than he was. Should he have been assaulted? No
      Was he innocent? Hell no!
      C'mon be realistic one of his tactics was piss off the other players throw them off their game . He made enemies like a craftsman and managed to piss off all the other contestants.... that's intended, that's not trying to fit in.

    • @FurTheCasa
      @FurTheCasa Před 3 lety +1

      LOVE TOM. Reputable Chef with amazing feedback and guidance. By contrast, Padma. I never got why she was there or understood the need to sexualize food.

  • @mikekhim5491
    @mikekhim5491 Před 4 lety +102

    How bullies like Sarah and Heather don’t get called out for their level of BS was beyond me.

    • @WMUH1
      @WMUH1 Před 3 lety +10

      To this day, that is still the worst thing I ever saw on Top Chef. How the producers allowed that was a disgrace.

    • @mandyg5444
      @mandyg5444 Před 3 lety +7

      Seriously though.. that was the most cringe worthy behavior from “adult women”. They picked on Beverly constantly. Seemed like middle school bullying to me. Yes, they should’ve been called out. Sarah also telling Emeril to “F*ck off” was disgusting as well.

    • @itgetter9
      @itgetter9 Před 3 lety +2

      Seriously! I couldn't stand watching that -- maybe they were that way with everyone, but to me, they seemed racist AF.

    • @lisachapman2881
      @lisachapman2881 Před 3 lety +1

      I agree

    • @TheOrangeIChokedX
      @TheOrangeIChokedX Před 2 lety +3

      @@itgetter9 Definitely! I’m watching this season right now, I can’t believe how horribly they treated her. It’s vile. If I ever rewatch this show I’ll be skipping this season. The amount of times Heather complained about Beverly cooking Asian food & how often her ideas were shot down was very upsetting to watch.
      And I can’t believe they questioned her work ethic when she always put her head down, asked questions as needed & turned it out in the end - despite being yelled at. Surviving an abusive relationship and then having other people in your life try to bully you is just awful, I really hope Beverly is happy and doing well. She deserves good things!

  • @ona682
    @ona682 Před 3 lety +258

    I loved Marcel. I'm glad they send someone home over the 'hair' thing, but they should have sent everyone home who participated. Marcel should have been the winner by default.

    • @ed4all33
      @ed4all33 Před 3 lety +26

      Instead that ass ilan won . I loathed him from the beginning as i could see his spite and malice , stemming from jealousy . Wonder what the judges were thinking when they took that stupid decision

    • @kineticpsi
      @kineticpsi Před 2 lety

      @@ed4all33 Just look at which of them has returned the most to the show.

    • @darlenefraser3022
      @darlenefraser3022 Před 2 lety +4

      They had to do it that way or else the season would have to had been shorter - reducing the amount of money they would have brought in. They don’t care about about what is fair - just how they could make as much money as possible

    • @inyrui
      @inyrui Před 2 lety +2

      "winner by default" lol no

    • @BarbaraAnnB-yi5ew
      @BarbaraAnnB-yi5ew Před 2 lety +3

      Marcel should have won anyway.

  • @ereini0n
    @ereini0n Před 4 lety +72

    I haven't heard about 99% of these.

  • @zaccaryjohn
    @zaccaryjohn Před 4 lety +32

    I’ve worked for Jeff and Janine since December as the opening team of Root and Bone Miami. I can say they are both good hearted sincere people. Love working for them.

  • @anthonyemmm
    @anthonyemmm Před 4 lety +40

    “If it’s not broken...break it”
    -Elliot

  • @Dynamosouthernbelle7
    @Dynamosouthernbelle7 Před 4 lety +139

    “He pressured her into a divorce.” So he asked for a divorce? Maybe I’m just not understanding this, but isn’t that how it works?

    • @airicaxoxo
      @airicaxoxo Před 4 lety +17

      Not quite, if you asked your partner for a divorce, but they refuse, then it's a no-go. It's why they have "separated" under relationship status.

    • @petebeingrenewed5731
      @petebeingrenewed5731 Před 4 lety +3

      @Bau and be stuck with the bill..

    • @dillahidayat2204
      @dillahidayat2204 Před 4 lety +2

      Probably she doesnt want to loose a paycheck. Some people refuse to get a divorce even if the relationship is dead and gone. But its pathetic to hust keep talking shit about your ex who doesnt want you anymore and in the end he still end up successful and married with his new beau and have his own family. My advice to these ladies and gents are : MOVE ON. Dont make yourself look pathetic. If he or she doesnt want you anymore stop doing desperate shit especially talking to tabloids just to nake called him for ditching you. You dodge a damn bullet. Move on and be happy.

    • @vivayshamania
      @vivayshamania Před 2 lety +4

      @@dillahidayat2204 she probably hated the guy because he cheated on her not just because he went on to be with person he cheated with lol. That's a pretty good reason to hate your ex.

    • @Preservestlandry
      @Preservestlandry Před 2 lety +2

      If that's all it was, he could have just gotten the divorce without "pressuring" her for anything. He pressured her to do something. Maybe he wanted her to be the one to file it? I don't know. But if he just wanted a divorce with no pressure, he could have just done it on his own.

  • @jasonlee3860
    @jasonlee3860 Před 4 lety +100

    That first one is pretty serious. What dude was about to was called "scalping". Its highly disrespectful to do to another person

    • @keelahrose
      @keelahrose Před 4 lety +25

      Agreed and this is my first time hearing that Tom was furious and wanted to kick them all off the show. I wish he had. I couldn't stand Ilan and Elia; Marcel should have won that season! He was so robbed.

    • @missa5361
      @missa5361 Před 4 lety +24

      I know, it’s scary to think what they could of done to him with that gang mentality they had going on. It’s horrifying how they acted with cameras *on* them.

    • @ParrishT3
      @ParrishT3 Před 4 lety +18

      @@keelahrose Seriously, I could not stand those three. Marcel was super annoying but he backed it up with some good food. He lost because he didn't use the native root to Hawaii even though Ilan fucked it up and it made their throats itchy.

    • @keelahrose
      @keelahrose Před 4 lety +3

      @@ParrishT3 Yes I don't recall the specifics now but my memory is that they gave Ilan the win despite mistakes.

    • @marianadesilva9174
      @marianadesilva9174 Před 4 lety

      Highly. Agreed.

  • @drgregoryhaus
    @drgregoryhaus Před 4 lety +150

    "I'll smash your pretty little face!"
    Lol, how do you compliment and threaten someone at the same time...

    • @magusxxx
      @magusxxx Před 4 lety +1

      At least he used a cooking term.

    • @Adoubless
      @Adoubless Před 4 lety +5

      I wouldn't be surprised if she made that up. They did an even in KY at my family's marina and she was insanely rude. She even had her "people" not to speak to her unless spoken to.

  • @andyt2k
    @andyt2k Před 4 lety +125

    How is paying tipped employees complicated, you pay them their salary, they keep 100% of their tips

    • @pandapunk1993
      @pandapunk1993 Před 4 lety +8

      Bc for most waitstaff their pay is barely $3/hr. Everything else is tips

    • @andyt2k
      @andyt2k Před 4 lety +29

      @@pandapunk1993 right, so they keep all of their tips, you don't pool them, don't split them, don't take a cut, they keep 100% of the tips they receive

    • @reed9474
      @reed9474 Před 4 lety +4

      When I did the Gig what I was tipped my mine. If a SA went above I kicked him some. It was a place where you could walk with a grand a night if you were good. Now I ask if it's tip share. If so I tip on the card & drop cash for the server & never lower than 20%. Most don't know that the kitchen is backed up & the server has no control over that.

    • @andrewthezeppo
      @andrewthezeppo Před 4 lety +16

      It is complicated because servers have to tip out bus boys, bartenders, runners, hosts and so many of them lie about how much cash tips they received so they pay less taxes. It can be hard for managers to know how much they actually were taking home each night. Also their claim of not being paid for the time it took to change into their uniforms is ridiculous. I have never had a job in any industry where you clock in and then get dressed for work.

    • @jaehaspels9607
      @jaehaspels9607 Před 4 lety +2

      When I was in college, I took a summer job waitressing in a little restaurant. The fat, ugly and lazy lady boss made me hand over half of each tip I made. She'd sit in the corner of the restaurant and eat the whole time. She looked just like Jabba the Hut. I was so glad to see she went bankrupt. Haw haw...

  • @anandramaka8701
    @anandramaka8701 Před 4 lety +18

    "chest bumping in a threatening way" lmao

  • @MennoY0uTube
    @MennoY0uTube Před 4 lety +22

    Mashed: it's sad Top Chef will be plagued by these scandals forever.
    Also Mashed: here is a compilation of all their scandals.

  • @valeries8138
    @valeries8138 Před 4 lety +15

    I don't see how having some one on a show who later does something scandalous is a scandal for the show. With Isabella, Besh, Qui, McInnis, and Booth, I'm not sure what the studio should have done to avoid them

    • @LaineMann
      @LaineMann Před 4 lety +3

      And just because someone does something shitty at one point in their life doesn’t make them a bad person. God forbid they fuck up

    • @itgetter9
      @itgetter9 Před 3 lety

      @@LaineMann You and Valerie both make excellent points here. TY

  • @hawkeyeeagle5280
    @hawkeyeeagle5280 Před 3 lety +31

    Kathie Lee Joel is not exactly a scandal...it's just about a good person through and through who can't get over the fact that part of her job is to obliterate contestants by sending em home

    • @kitty62862
      @kitty62862 Před 3 lety +2

      She’s very enjoyable, when doing demos on Instagram, from home. I think she’s loosened up a little.
      Motherhood does that to some of us.

  • @hindsightpov4218
    @hindsightpov4218 Před 4 lety +5

    I worked in an Italian restaurant and the owner would regularly steal tips from the staff and give BS excuses. A guy I knew who worked in a restaurant said the same thing happens at his workplace. Apparently it’s not unusual in the restaurant business.

    • @Emlane09
      @Emlane09 Před 4 lety

      HindsightPOV some Italian bosses lve had were real hogs

  • @anamorales7138
    @anamorales7138 Před 3 lety +29

    I don't know.
    1. I have just finish watching Season 2 and Marcel isn't as bad as I remember. Yes he is a smug... But hey he also was an amazing chef.
    Also everyone was like all he does is foams but that was his style of cooking and Ilan (the winner of the season) also just cook spanish food, so the same flavor just slightly different presentations ...

    • @gretchendietz1599
      @gretchendietz1599 Před 3 lety +1

      That was absolutely the worst season - I don't think any of them should have won - actually I did like Sam.

  • @GizmoMaltese
    @GizmoMaltese Před 4 lety +32

    Top Chef is not a government agency so it's not "pay to play." Charging cities for tourism advertising is perfectly legal. Cities pay to advertise for tourism.

    • @AnnaP-uh3mc
      @AnnaP-uh3mc Před 4 lety

      GizmoMaltese Yeah, I’m confused. A TV show integrating a paid Tourism partner is nothing new or unusual.

    • @Preservestlandry
      @Preservestlandry Před 2 lety +2

      No one said it was illegal, just that the governor said it would cost zero but it actually cost $400k.

  • @chefsabbaa7896
    @chefsabbaa7896 Před 2 lety +3

    As a Chef myself I have dealt with some serious inappropriate idiots, I love my profession but sometimes you really ask yourself if you have mistakenly chosen the wrong profession.

  • @joleong1573
    @joleong1573 Před 4 lety +6

    Honestly, what they did to marcel... That was disgusting. Just wrong. Shame.

  • @PhenomenalTeach11
    @PhenomenalTeach11 Před 4 lety +53

    A lot of these chefs famous on tv always seem to not pay their staff enough. I saw this happen with Jamie Oliver's restaurants not long ago

    • @drfuzzy3977
      @drfuzzy3977 Před 4 lety +8

      i work in industry an the sad truth is that shit chain restaurants pay better wages then the fancy restaurants cause there margins are higher. chain restaurants want employee retention but fancy restaurants with named chefs get very talented an often times naive young cooks looking to make something of themselves basically offering to work 14 hours shifts for no overtime at minimum wage or less.

    • @jasonespinoza6372
      @jasonespinoza6372 Před 4 lety +4

      @@drfuzzy3977 I still don't get why tipping is a thing... I mean a lot of people work hard and have to deal with unruly shitty customers but most industries still pay a flat wage, so do restaurants still have tipping? Why can't people who wait on others just make a normal wage like everyone else?

    • @drfuzzy3977
      @drfuzzy3977 Před 4 lety +5

      @@jasonespinoza6372 your asking the wrong guy i'm in the replace the waiters with ipads an robots camp firmly there are alot of good waiters out there but the majority are fairly incompetent restaurants going forward in there current state are going to become more rare your gonna see alot of smaller restaurants an takeout place's as well as food trucks cause they let you cut down on personnel an cut costs so you can focus on food quality at the end of the day no matter how good your waiter is people come to restaurants for the food i personally am trained as both a bartender an a chef so i can make you an amazing cocktail an a great meal why would you pay an extra 30% so a hipster arts student could make you the same thing an take an extra 10 mins doing it when you could just punch your order in on an ipad an get exactly what you want exactly as you described it

    • @tallbeard7111
      @tallbeard7111 Před 4 lety +14

      @@jasonespinoza6372 Tipping should be a bonus for the good service you got ,not because the waiter depends on that tip because his/her boss is not paying enough.

    • @jingyun4323
      @jingyun4323 Před 4 lety +3

      @@tallbeard7111 exactly! The US is backwards.

  • @dmartig1
    @dmartig1 Před 4 lety +110

    I used to like this show but they got way too gimicky.

    • @kirnpu
      @kirnpu Před 4 lety +13

      I totally agree. I enjoyed the first several seasons but then suddenly it was like the show turned into a combination of Survivor and Fear Factor. I want to see what a contestant can produce cooking - not how well he can cook at 3am in a building that just caught fire using only 4 ingredients.

    • @mikekhim5491
      @mikekhim5491 Před 4 lety +1

      When Logan Paul was a guest judge I had to stop watching.

    • @kitchylitchy
      @kitchylitchy Před 3 lety +2

      Come back. The most recent season is a lovefest. The top 5 cheftestants are top notch and any one of them could have won and I'd have been happy.

    • @marywhite9923
      @marywhite9923 Před 3 lety

      She should disappear looser

    • @Safarichromosomeslol
      @Safarichromosomeslol Před 3 lety

      @@mikekhim5491 whaaaat??? is this real? 😂😂😂

  • @seraslovely
    @seraslovely Před 4 lety +7

    A lot of processed meats use to included horse meat.
    That ended when people finally found out what was in IKEA's meatballs.

  • @dawne.shelley5373
    @dawne.shelley5373 Před 4 lety +20

    I watched the pea puree scandle and several chefs said they saw him make the pea puree so that is not completely accurate

  • @jackmurphy8545
    @jackmurphy8545 Před 3 lety +6

    Totally plagued, so plagued to the point of me not knowing they were plagued until I saw this video about them being plagued

  • @farrellanna
    @farrellanna Před 4 lety +6

    I’m a fan of the show, seen every season and I didn’t know about most of these incidents so thank you

  • @ddiruscio01
    @ddiruscio01 Před 4 lety +20

    3:23 she looks so uncomfortable to have him feed her

  • @tuxitalk4-tuxipolitixpage772

    When cooking shows started becoming, like the media, more about the hosts:chefs, and anchors, instead of the information they are to present, they really lost their purpose, imho.

  • @leeoulic1887
    @leeoulic1887 Před 4 lety +23

    So is Kate Lee Joel the scandal? Or the replacement? Cuz I'm thinking: "What the heck for? She seems like a genuine human." Nothing to note against Padma. What's the real scandal in the last portion?

    • @patrickjohnson3862
      @patrickjohnson3862 Před 4 lety

      None of these were really "scandals" in my opinion.
      What a waste of time.

    • @Emlane09
      @Emlane09 Před 4 lety

      They scouted that annoying Padma sheep, Fatima to save Padma’s bigotry about excluding Arabs on the show! Terrible how annoyed and humiliated gold- digger Padma was towards her during Restaurant Wars S15 but Katie has no bigotry top of her gold digging lol

    • @LaineMann
      @LaineMann Před 4 lety +1

      Agreed. Especially when our POTUS has sexually assaulted MULTIPLE woman and endorsed and ACTUAL pedophile. And yet apparently a restauranteur taking his staff’s tips is the end of the fucking planet? I mean it’s slimy yeah. But it isn’t newsworthy

  • @darkfan4706
    @darkfan4706 Před 4 lety +6

    Why was Katie Lee's tendency for empathy a cause of scandal?

    • @Original_Tenshi_Chan
      @Original_Tenshi_Chan Před 4 lety +1

      That was my thought. I thought it was sweet, she wanted them to succeed and didn't want to hurt them. Compassion and empathy should be a virtue, not a "scandal"

  • @stacym735
    @stacym735 Před 4 lety +42

    The amount of satisfaction I take from Mike Isabella's downfall probably doesn't speak well of my character. But to have it confirmed that he's the pig I suspected he was from the beginning of his Top Chef career is validating, and I'm wallowing in schadenfreude.

    • @ChristianHagenRaknarokk
      @ChristianHagenRaknarokk Před 4 lety +2

      How was it confirmed? By him paying the accusers instead of going through a years-long witch hunt? He wasn't judged guilty, so you don't know if the accusations are true.

    • @katraena
      @katraena Před 4 lety +1

      Same girl, same.

  • @MoistTowelette125
    @MoistTowelette125 Před 3 lety +6

    Forever plague the show, yet this is the first time I’m hearing of any of this. lol.

  • @chinchilladivine81
    @chinchilladivine81 Před 4 lety +11

    “ROOT” and “BONE”? Of course there was a sex scandal!🤣

  • @JayZer0
    @JayZer0 Před rokem +1

    Something people often gloss over when it comes to the Marcel assault: Bravo edited the events to make it seem like Elia and Ilan shaved their heads, then tried to involve Marcel in the "fun." In reality, it was the other way around -- they tried to shave his head, then ended up shaving their own heads afterwards.
    This was discovered when fans caught a glimpse of Elia with a full head of hair in the footage of Cliff attacking Marcel. Bravo then doubled down and re-edited the episode to remove the shot of Elia instead of sequencing the events in the correct order.

  • @SoundsOfSushi
    @SoundsOfSushi Před 3 lety +8

    I don’t see a problem with eating horse meat. How is it any different from eating another animal like a cow?

    • @juliodiaz462
      @juliodiaz462 Před 3 lety

      Well it depends on how you see it, if you are religious then there are some wich prohibit it. If you're not following any specific diet then the stigma of where you grew up probably.

  • @assassin971
    @assassin971 Před 4 lety +39

    Never knew about these scandals till now

    • @Emlane09
      @Emlane09 Před 4 lety

      They scouted that annoying Padma sheep, Fatima to save Padma’s bigotry about excluding Arabs on the show! Terrible how annoyed and humiliated Padma was towards her during Restaurant Wars S15

  • @aarontaylor1484
    @aarontaylor1484 Před 3 lety +3

    Oh my goodness chefs acting innapropriatly never would have thought with all the kindness and non hazing policies of Hells Kitchen

  • @tonysobon4669
    @tonysobon4669 Před 4 lety +14

    This was tame for a "reality" show , most or types of shows have people that have killed others etc. , and most of the video was about people on the show doing thing non-related to the show itself. I think the Peas thing was one of the few that was a sort of "scandal" on the show. When Spike used frozen sea scallops that were in the kitchen of one of the guest hosts judges restaurants and at Judges table that owner bashed Spike for useing them even tho it was clear that judges restaurant served frozen produce and Spike called him out on it was a better example of the shows "scandals" then something The host of the show being replaced for what seemed like legit reasons and in the video even pointed out that the person who hosted season one still did okay for herself after the show so it wasn't like she got Blacklisted or something.
    Last the video is dated 2019 yet there is no mention of Anthony Bourdain who was had a fairly big role on the and besides his Suicide he alone could have a 4 part video of "scandals" and i know of bigger "scandals" or story's that happened. Sorry i will get my info about things from other channels , sorry.

  • @zachotto2535
    @zachotto2535 Před 4 lety +6

    Thomas Keller should be on this! He does the same thing as Tom

  • @bigdeej3831
    @bigdeej3831 Před 4 lety +10

    Graham Elliot always came off as idk just off or wrong now I know why! DBAG!

  • @joewilson3393
    @joewilson3393 Před 4 lety

    lol, "Pursue other opportunities" is the same line they use at my place of employment too.

  • @TheBizzle1984
    @TheBizzle1984 Před 2 lety +2

    There's literally no way top chef didn't know about Besh, it was an open "secret" in the industry for years before the allegations went public. They just didn't care until it made them look like creeps by association.

    • @retroflashbackdude
      @retroflashbackdude Před 2 lety

      Besh was also edited out of an episode of Iron Chef Showdown for the same incident

  • @umeriwaeoket3467
    @umeriwaeoket3467 Před 4 lety +7

    Well this is depressing

  • @chrisv5205
    @chrisv5205 Před 4 lety +3

    Since the culinary renaissance began, the public at large has developed a terribly inaccurate image of those who work in the culinary world thanks to reality television programs that create a rather sanitized image of those who work in the food industry. There are few establishments in the food industry that care if someone has a criminal record. Even an convict can be a talented chef. There are few other professions that would ever allow such a thing. The culinary world has one of the highest drug and alcohol abuse rates of any profession as well as one of the highest divorce rates. Its high stress, high tension, high energy and after a while, that takes its toll on people, often negatively. So, we really shouldn't be all that surprised when a celebrity chef implodes.
    Remember folks, the world outside your door is a vastly different world than what's on your television or computer screen.

    • @Mixwell1983
      @Mixwell1983 Před 4 lety

      One of my instructors in culinary school was even talking about how a lot of chefs are drug users and alcoholics due to his stress. I have heard it over and over about failing marriages, drug and alcohol abuse etc. Ive only worked in the kitchen on campus for school but it can be pretty chaotic while on the line part of station rotations and youre only serving the students, not a high end restaurant. Having to prep in the middle of a service was shit also because we under estimated how much we needed or it was a busier than usual day. It was fun though but i dont know if i could make a career of it. I am a bit old to start in the game at 36 and have a 4 year old. The instructor even said its a young persons game and could be awesome if youre single and no commitmentd

    • @chrisv5205
      @chrisv5205 Před 4 lety

      @@Mixwell1983 Your instructor is right. This is most definitely a young person's game.
      I have been giving young, wide eyed kids the same advice for 40 years; if you can do anything else, do anything else. This is not the career path for a person who has a family or children because you will be working during the dance recitals, sports games, birthdays, holidays, weekends and much more. A 60 hour work week is short. An 18 hour day normal. Good luck. :-)

  • @aprilpatel6741
    @aprilpatel6741 Před 2 lety +1

    I love how it said people were completely blindsided and upset with eating and cooking a horse but not thinking about the history that has in the actual country they were cooking it

  • @sprsprtrudy
    @sprsprtrudy Před 2 lety +1

    Funny how someone ends up on tv or similar and all of a sudden women are accusing them of assault, etc... No wonder real victims get ignored.... Wtf?

  • @justathought7421
    @justathought7421 Před 4 lety +11

    Chef life behind closed doors. Yikes.

  • @freshtart5465
    @freshtart5465 Před 4 lety +4

    why cant the US pay their waiters the minimum wage excluding the tips?

    • @georgearnold841
      @georgearnold841 Před 4 lety +1

      They do in some states. Depends on state laws regarding this type of work. The state of Oregon requires that everyone gets paid the state minimum wage plus whatever tips. Servers there have no issue with tip sharing with the kitchen. However, in a state like Illinois where their laws allow employers to average tips into the minimum wage but still ask servers to share tips, that's just fkd! I did it anyways and still made over 1000 a week. Part of it is because of the tips as wage situation, you work harder for those tips and give amazing service. Everyone I served from out of state or other countries commented on the quality of service in Chicago.

    • @LaineMann
      @LaineMann Před 4 lety

      Because restaurants use tipping as an excuse to get out of it

  • @briangal87
    @briangal87 Před 4 lety +2

    My girlfriend used to clean a very famous celeb chef’s house until he tried to make a move on her unexpectedly. She slapped the shit out of him. He’s married with kids and my girlfriend no longer talks or cleans for him following the incident. I can see how a lot of them are pieces of 💩.

  • @siison1390
    @siison1390 Před 3 lety +2

    When you put yourself in the spotlight expect someone wanting a piece of you.

  • @andrewv.9142
    @andrewv.9142 Před 4 lety +4

    wow... I'm sure that behavior is definitely going to encourage film crews to come to boston and hire union members

  • @franzb69
    @franzb69 Před 4 lety +18

    You forgot Padma is a diva and doesn't have any claim to be a judge of food that chefs cook. She's just a damn foody the most. An overpaid host / presenter on a food show.

    • @Jesschuckles
      @Jesschuckles Před 4 lety +1

      Is this Katie Lee???

    • @Emlane09
      @Emlane09 Před 4 lety

      franzb69 They scouted that annoying Padma sheep, Fatima to save Padma’s bigotry about excluding Arabs on the show! Terrible how annoyed and humiliated Padma was towards her during Restaurant Wars S15

    • @chunch25
      @chunch25 Před 4 lety

      @@Emlane09 first of all Fatima was not arab she was pakistani. and I'm saying was because she died, RIP. You may wanna look up the term bigotry, you clearly dont understand it and you sound like a bigot yourself for complaining about POC being on a show.

    • @Emlane09
      @Emlane09 Před 4 lety

      Sam Ec l am far from a bigot! Cancer or not, Fatima had a fake phoney personality that was unlikable and l personally was not a fan despite it being not PC to not support a cancer patient

  • @katraena
    @katraena Před 4 lety +1

    Yaaasss... the pea purée controversy will never die!

  • @chloe7seven22
    @chloe7seven22 Před 4 lety +6

    It's cringe. The most pretentious chef show on earth.

  • @SENSEICARR
    @SENSEICARR Před 4 lety +10

    We live and work in a very hard industry!

    • @chaliceofchange
      @chaliceofchange Před 3 lety

      Very true. Sabatoge and drugs are high on the list

  • @4ksandknives
    @4ksandknives Před 4 lety +13

    Jesus, lots of messed up people.

  • @t0maxcess742
    @t0maxcess742 Před 4 lety +2

    Under the pressure, its already got to be an intense environment but being singled out like Marcel was and then consistently picked on, back stabbed, physically assaulted, and treated like shit in general by at least 6 of the contestants was just wrong and totally against the spirit of being a so called Top Chef as was the case. Sure Marcel annoyed them but to treat and abuse him the way they did, I have huge respect for Marcel for keeping it about the food and holding his head high throughout what would of been a horrible daily grind of being hated. Ilan Hall, Cliff Crooks ( the jerk that assaulted Marcel), Elia, Sam, Frank and Betty completely failed as Chefs in respect of looking out for your peers even if you don't like them, they all made Marcels experience as difficult as possible, were mean, vindictive and just ruined season 2. I hope they all remember the experience for the assholes they were. TOP CHEF SEASON 2: MARCEL VIGNERON!!!

  • @renewd
    @renewd Před 4 lety +2

    "It's a beautiful world we live in, a sweet romantic place, beautiful people everywhere..." Devo

  • @user-ur4io5lh5s
    @user-ur4io5lh5s Před 4 lety +5

    no word of tx and the bully twosome
    *but they did include creep Alex and suspicious pea soup mystery*

  • @paytonyoder1260
    @paytonyoder1260 Před 4 lety +14

    Hold on, how is “showing up to work drunk” a form of harassment? That doesn’t make any sense.

    • @ericpitcher5679
      @ericpitcher5679 Před 4 lety

      You can't just say it about someone. They have to admit it or have them tested to prove it. If their Dr has them on medication that is causing them to act different and they aren't drunk then you have a big problem. That is how N.Y. labor laws are anyway.

    • @ieatplastic1756
      @ieatplastic1756 Před 4 lety +10

      It is if the drunk person starts to be a jerk.

    • @paytonyoder1260
      @paytonyoder1260 Před 4 lety +1

      I Eat Plastic, then that’s not harassment by “showing up to work drunk”. They would be harassing someone by being a jerk to them. Not by showing up to work drunk.

    • @ieatplastic1756
      @ieatplastic1756 Před 4 lety

      Payton Yoder I know.

    • @leviblevins513
      @leviblevins513 Před 4 lety +5

      Her lawsuit was for sexual harrasment AND unsafe working conditions. Considering the person will be working around knives.... Fire.... boiling water... Blazing ovens....etc. Having a drunk manning the kitchen is DEFINITELY a safety issue. I watched a drunk chef stumble right into the deep fryer. His entire forearm got submerged. He suffered the most horrific burns I have ever seen. He was fired and did not qualify for workmens comp because he was under the influence at the time of the incident.

  • @ouissandy2806
    @ouissandy2806 Před 3 lety

    I work in the industry it's so funny how big owners talk and have no idea about how to manage finances

  • @hijinx1979
    @hijinx1979 Před 4 lety +11

    My top scandal for this show was when they had a challenge at the Plantation and the only black guy was sent home and his dish was'nt even the worst TBh.

  • @leeandrada4731
    @leeandrada4731 Před 4 lety +8

    Wow, everyone coming out to get them back.

  • @tanyachavis2578
    @tanyachavis2578 Před 4 lety +3

    That explained a lot. I’m sure there’s a lot more to be explained about Alton Brown and “the Chairman” on “Iron Chef America.” That’s enough of real fake reality cooking for one day.

  • @Showtroupt2022
    @Showtroupt2022 Před 2 lety +1

    Top chef season 2 were the days of our lives. Such good and different times

  • @Prebound_
    @Prebound_ Před 2 lety

    Remember life before the internet when everyone had private lives and you had no idea whether the stars you saw on TV were pieces of crap.

  • @dejohnson2277
    @dejohnson2277 Před 4 lety +11

    I Dont care. I just watch for
    Gail Simmons 😍

  • @Tojazzer
    @Tojazzer Před 4 lety +7

    So strange to describe Katie Lee as "robotic" and "wooden" and then have her replaced by the android Padma

  • @MikeInPlano
    @MikeInPlano Před 4 lety +1

    I've never understood the objections to horse meat, as if horse are somehow sacrsanct while cows apparently deserve to be slaughtered. It makes absolutely no sense.

    • @juliawolf7954
      @juliawolf7954 Před 4 lety

      Horses aren't meant to be eaten, they were born to be ride! Have you ever seen a cow race in the Kentucky Derby? =/

  • @scottmead854
    @scottmead854 Před 3 lety +1

    Season 16 is quite wonderful, but Graham Elliot's ignorance is pretty shocking though, despite having a restaurant in Macau, he had no clue that it hasn't been ruled by Portugal since 1999.

  • @Rmat7
    @Rmat7 Před 3 lety +6

    We can also add on them canceling the after season episodes after chef tom threw a hissy fit that lesser chefs questioned why he wouldn't endorse grass fed beef. (Which he now does after stating then that you can't run a steakhouse on it)

  • @angelarengifo1262
    @angelarengifo1262 Před 3 lety +3

    I liked Marcel I wanted him to win... It was so annoying to see Ilan winning since he was a bit envious of Marcel and how the others wanted him out but see Marcel showing his talents until the end was great...

  • @kathyg3793
    @kathyg3793 Před 4 lety +32

    In the good old days the shows were actually worth watching. Not today.

  • @joeladaniels
    @joeladaniels Před 4 lety +8

    A lot of these scandals are only tangentially related to the show. It seems a bit slanderous to impugn the character of Top Chef based on what a contestant did after leaving the show.

  • @tenorman
    @tenorman Před 4 lety +22

    So if you remove the stories that don't include the actual show it would be about 3 minutes.

    • @keelahrose
      @keelahrose Před 4 lety +1

      Would have been MUCH longer if they'd included the scandals from contestants involved in Top Chef Just Desserts. One of those guys was busted for kiddie porn and another embarrassed himself so bad he had to change his name. And then one woman was injured by production's incompetence. She had a bandage on her head for the whole time she was on the show and the EW recapper used to call her "Head Wound Heather" and note that she usually seemed out of it. Turns out some camera man or sound operator dropped heavy equipment on her head the very first day of filming, and they threatened her that if she told anyone how she was injured they'd kick her off the show.

  • @Borals
    @Borals Před 2 lety

    Millions of cows, chickens, and pigs die yearly for food but a horse is where people draw the line?

  • @tigerz8174
    @tigerz8174 Před 3 lety

    Yay you featured wolf boy 😁
    For the true fanatics

  • @feedgotcha
    @feedgotcha Před 4 lety +57

    Only cooking shows I care about have Gordon on them 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @ger5565
    @ger5565 Před 4 lety +38

    It's okay to eat cows.
    It's okay to eat chickens.
    It's okay to eat pigs.
    But apparently, ya try to eat horse and AWWW HELL NO!
    Explain that logic.

    • @pammiasmr9068
      @pammiasmr9068 Před 4 lety

      This has to be explained to you??

    • @ger5565
      @ger5565 Před 4 lety +3

      @@pammiasmr9068 fell free to explain. I'm dying to hear the logic.

    • @ArepawithCheese
      @ArepawithCheese Před 4 lety +2

      @@pammiasmr9068 Please also explain it to me and my pet cow Lucy. Tell her why she can be killed and eaten, but a horse is a no no.

    • @djkoz78
      @djkoz78 Před 4 lety +5

      @@ledflaplin2001 horse meat is eaten in several countries.

    • @aidenlenhardt4163
      @aidenlenhardt4163 Před 4 lety +1

      @@ger5565 because its texture and flavor aren't sought after here in the West. Same goes for a lot of "game" in general. Some are good, but as a whole, they aren't very profitable (ie. most people don't crave elk burgers) AND are quite high risk to bring up to an M-star status compared to the more "general meats" like beef.
      Go to France, and suddenly things like snails are easily found in M3 restaurants; its just the culture.

  • @chillyman7340
    @chillyman7340 Před 2 lety

    Wow I used to watch this show when I was a kid lol, had no idea that all of this happened.

  • @renae9365
    @renae9365 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Katie Lee is ridiculous, she always acts like she’s 16. It’s not cute on a 40 year old woman to act that way.

  • @henrypark3829
    @henrypark3829 Před 4 lety +9

    Scandal makes for good reality tv, which is one reason TC continues to thrive. TC is probably the best American cooking contest, but Great British Bake Off and Masterchef Australia are better.

  • @Alex_FRD
    @Alex_FRD Před 4 lety +10

    And then you remember Graham Elliot was the nicest of the judges in MasterChef...

  • @duradun4756
    @duradun4756 Před 4 lety

    Wow, surprised with the Elliot story.

  • @MrAjama9
    @MrAjama9 Před 4 lety

    LOL there's a Top Chef canada? Time to binge that

  • @brandyb2931
    @brandyb2931 Před 4 lety +21

    Drug addiction is an illness, I feel for him, he is a talented chef, I hope he moves past that and beats his addiction for good.

    • @manjsher3094
      @manjsher3094 Před 2 lety

      Addictions are not illness, weak minds are.

    • @astrobard
      @astrobard Před 2 lety +4

      @@manjsher3094 No, it's literally an illness and your opinion doesn't change that. Sorry, the facts just don't agree.

    • @manjsher3094
      @manjsher3094 Před 2 lety +1

      @@astrobard you choose, so your opinion doesn't change the facts.

    • @astrobard
      @astrobard Před 2 lety

      @@manjsher3094 except a lot of the times it isn't a choice to start at all.

    • @manjsher3094
      @manjsher3094 Před 2 lety +2

      @@astrobard always a choice.