What Does the Middle Pedal Do? (MIRACLE IN A BOX Sostenuto Demo)

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  • @andrewbarrett1537
    @andrewbarrett1537 Před 2 lety +7

    uprights:
    The function of the middle pedal (if present) in uprights varies.
    In only a few expensive and rarely sold models of upright piano is a true sostenuto. In most other pianos, it is either a muffler rail, which lowers a thick strip of felt between the hammers and strings to change the tone (also known as 'practice pedal'), or a bass sustain pedal, which only sustains the bass notes. In a few pianos it manually activates a mandolin attachment, which gives the 'honky tonk' sound.
    In many cheap pianos, the middle pedal is either a dummy pedal (has a spring but doesn't actually do anything... can be used for 'future expansion' ;) ) or else is a 'half soft' which is also connected to the same trapwork lever as the regular left soft pedal / hammer rail, but pulls it from a slightly different leverage point to make the softness slightly different. In my experience the 'half soft' effect is practically imperceptible compared with dynamics done with the fingers, and anyway can be accomplished by half-pedaling the regular soft pedal anyway, so is fairly useless.
    Many upright pianos, including Steinways, have only two pedals, soft and sustain. No middle pedal. So the number of pedals is not a mark of quality.
    However a piano with a dummy middle pedal or 'half soft' *might* be cheap (I have also seen some otherwise good, reputable medium grade pianos with the half soft, which have many other good attributes, besides this one bad one), while an upright piano with a sostenuto was ALWAYS high grade as this was an expensive and rarely seen option in uprights.
    Certain rare upright pianos, mainly made by Wing & Son (a high grade piano maker) and some "Crown" pianos by the George P. Bent Co. (a medium grade piano maker, who later sold out to Sears Roebuck so the Geo. Bent factory could be used to make the "Beckwith" pianos), have MORE than three pedals. In this case, the extra pedals are for 'orchestral' attachments which acoustically modify the tone of the piano.
    For example, some Wing pianos have more than one mandolin attachment: they have one consisting of a rail of small pieces of metal (like old 'shoe-buttons') which are mounted on springs and which contact the midrange and treble piano strings below the damper line (around the keybed area) when the rail is rotated, so that they can sympathetically/passively buzz and rattle against the strings for a kind of 'reiterating mandolin' effect. I think it also has a felt muffler rail and maybe a conventional mandolin attachment with the leather strips with metal clips or tabs on them. These Wing and Crown pianos, although rare today, do turn up for sale occasionally for anyone who wants to restore and own and play one.
    grands:
    Many cheaper and even some medium grade modern (1890s-present) grands have the middle pedal as a bass sustain. Better grands have sostenuto. This only applies to modern pianos made after like the 1880s or so.
    Earlier pianos do not have sostenuto at all, or do not consistently have it, since it either hadn't yet been invented, or else was still under patent so could only be used by one or a few makers.
    Certain extremely rare very early (like early 19th century / late 18th century) grand pianos also have many more pedals for extra effects, sometimes known as 'janissary' pianos. These instruments are almost never seen in the marketplace due to their extreme rarity and great age, and usually are only found in major piano museums. The extra attachments might include a 'bassoon' attachment which presses a roll of waxed paper against the strings to buzz against it (in exactly the same principle as the 'zither attachment' found on many later cylinder and disc music boxes), and a 'drum' pedal, which causes a long lever with felt beater to actually strike the soundboard of the piano!
    square grands: I have yet to see or hear of a square grand with more than two pedals. Many have only one (the sustain) due to their great age. In squares, the left / soft pedal is often a muffler rail which slides the strip of felt, rather than a hammer rail like an upright or an una corda like a regular grand.

  • @BradfordGuy
    @BradfordGuy Před 8 lety +28

    Wonderful demonstration; sounds almost like two pianos being played separately! I am going to go have a look at the mechanism - I bet it is just as genius in design as the piano is itself!

  • @Hugh_Jas
    @Hugh_Jas Před 7 lety +25

    A third hand indeed! Without looking I would swear that was a duet.

    • @williamreymond2669
      @williamreymond2669 Před 4 lety +1

      That is what sostenudo does? it sustains the notes played while depressing the sostenudo pedal. It make it sound like a second voice properly done.

  • @Dr_Xyzt
    @Dr_Xyzt Před 12 lety +2

    Fredrick Hodges is an ace. He makes it look so easy... what a pro.

  • @LnX53
    @LnX53 Před 9 lety +14

    thank you sir i always wondered what that strange pedal was used for

  • @Ragtimer95
    @Ragtimer95 Před 11 lety +3

    I was fortunate enough to get to play with Frederick at this year's Sutter Creek Ragtime Festival, and am here to say that he's one of the top-notch pianists I've ever encountered.

  • @pianocrooner
    @pianocrooner Před 11 lety +3

    Thank you very, very much. I have been playing stride for quite a few years now. I don´t own a piano with a sostenuto and I have been pondering how the old masters made that sound. You illustrate it wonderfully and you are a great pianist!

  • @SpontaneityJD
    @SpontaneityJD Před 11 lety +7

    This guy's a beast.

  • @Keeper1st
    @Keeper1st Před 15 lety +2

    Ha! I was thinking that we should make a video of Frederick demonstrating his fancy footwork on the piano! Great!

  • @AuCafeDeLaMarmotte
    @AuCafeDeLaMarmotte Před 10 lety +4

    Great video ! With swanee at the end, it's perfect. The middle voice it enables to do reminds me of piano roll music.

  • @KawhackitaRag
    @KawhackitaRag Před 15 lety +2

    Great video!
    Actually the sostenuto is only found in most grands and very very few uprights. Cheap grands (and many uprights) have a bass sustain pedal that is a "poor man's" sostenuto and isn't nearly as useful. (it does work well in certain "stride piano" situations however).
    In some uprights, such as the two here at home, the middle pedal brings down an effect rail to change or modify the tone of the piano. In one, it is felt muffler, in the other, it is a mandolin rail.

  • @musicalintentions
    @musicalintentions Před 7 lety +1

    What a brilliant example. I love Gershwin. Thank you for sharing this.

  • @Wombat1420
    @Wombat1420 Před 14 lety +2

    Thank you so much for posting this! This is exactly what I was looking for, and your demonstration was great!

  • @Dr_Xyzt
    @Dr_Xyzt Před 13 lety

    His demo of the sostenuto pedal, before he played the the george gershwin tune is really a good demo now that I watched this video again.

  • @snazzysportstacker
    @snazzysportstacker Před 7 lety +3

    I've played the piano without lessons for about half my life, and I'm surprised to say that I never knew this. Maybe if I could afford lessons I would've learned these things. :P

  • @chak1o1star
    @chak1o1star Před 13 lety

    Thank you SO much for explaining the middle pedal, it's been bothering me for a very long time...

  • @Penthalfa_Nieto
    @Penthalfa_Nieto Před 11 lety +3

    He played so awesome! : -)

  • @obezijana
    @obezijana Před 7 lety +2

    played wonderfully

  • @LennWeltmeister
    @LennWeltmeister Před 8 lety +1

    It sounds something like pizzicato strings. It's amazing!

  • @mrIceblink
    @mrIceblink Před 10 lety

    Nicely explained and demonstrated.Thank you!

  • @Compasscard
    @Compasscard Před 6 lety

    Amazing demo, thanks for explaining !

  • @davidcavalari226
    @davidcavalari226 Před 6 lety +4

    I wish he explained how to coordinate between the hands better. I'm able to achieve the effect he shows here, but only if A.) The right hand plays no notes on the downbeat, B.) The right hand plays one very staccato note/chord on the downbeat and then gets out of the way so I can depress the pedal, or C.) The right hand is playing in the top couple of octaves, so that the damper mechanics don't matter. But if you listen to his recordings, he clearly is not limited by this.

    • @andrewbarrett1537
      @andrewbarrett1537 Před 2 lety +1

      The best way to describe it is that you use FINGER SUSTAIN for the notes you want the sostenuto mechanism to 'catch', and hold them out just a fraction of a second LONGER than the other notes, in time to catch them using the pedal, at which point you can take your hand away. This all happens very fast if you're playing at this tempo or faster. I personally mostly play uprights, rarely grands, so my own style uses the sustain pedal, as well as finger sustain, to substitute for a sostenuto pedal. It's not perfect, but works for me. I think this is also something like what Frederick does when he plays most uprights, although he has better technique. I've only seen two really high end uprights with a true sostenuto: a Mason & Hamlin, and a Julius Bauer.

  • @KawhackitaRag
    @KawhackitaRag Před 15 lety +1

    However, the number of piano pedals, and their function, is usually irrelevant if you are picking a piano to buy. (many fine European pianos only have two pedals, anyway)
    What is far more important is the quality of the instrument itself, and I highly recommend getting the SECOND EDITION of Art Reblitz's excellent book "Piano Servicing, Tuning, and Rebuilding". Which has a nice tutorial, a few chapters in, on how to tell a good-quality piano from a poor-quality one.

  • @Keeper1st
    @Keeper1st Před 13 lety

    @JakaAce Yamaha uprights also have a working sostenuto. Somehow they managed to figure out how to do it in an upright!

  • @Dasaru
    @Dasaru Před 14 lety +1

    Wow! This video was incredibly useful! Thanks a lot for the upload!
    @nousernamewhatsoever
    Wiki says, "On other uprights, the middle pedal is a practice pedal (with a locking option) which makes the sound extremely quiet beyond the standard soft pedal. This is often achieved by dropping a felt cloth between the hammers and the strings when the practice pedal is depressed."
    So your piano has a different middle petal. Yours is not a true sostenuto petal.

  • @RastaGirl331
    @RastaGirl331 Před 12 lety

    Great vid thanks! with uprights you can see what the middle pedal does by just looking into the top, but I couldn't figure it out with a grand! so Thank you! Also, love the haircut and the shoes, very classy ;)

  • @theironfreak
    @theironfreak Před 14 lety

    This is IMPRESSIVE.

  • @williamreymond2669
    @williamreymond2669 Před 9 lety +4

    Nice, but would be nice to hear a side by side comparison without the sostenuto.

    • @odavidc
      @odavidc Před 4 lety +4

      This is glorious, I have been researching "what are the three foot pedals on a piano for" for a while now, and I think this has helped. Have you ever come across - Danilliam Illustrious Dominance - (search on google ) ? It is a smashing one of a kind guide for discovering how to learning piano fast minus the hard work. Ive heard some unbelievable things about it and my brother in law got great results with it.

    • @williamreymond2669
      @williamreymond2669 Před 4 lety +1

      @@odavidc Thanks for replying. No, I haven't, I'll look it up.

  • @ciararavenblaze
    @ciararavenblaze Před 15 lety

    hmm, thanks for this video--I've played with the middle pedal before, but never knew how it was supposed to be used.

  • @StealthArt
    @StealthArt Před 9 lety +3

    Great video! I'm trying to learn a piece by Nikolai Kapustin : Op. 53 - No. 21. But I can't figure out if he uses the sostenuto pedal, it doesn't tell me in the sheet music , can you hear if it uses the sostenuto pedal?
    The song uses the bassprogression L-hand sustained but the chords (also L-hand) staccato and the melody in the right hand is flowing or slightly sustained. Help is much appreciated!

  • @MrCrowebobby
    @MrCrowebobby Před 8 lety +4

    I'm not questioning the talent or virtuosity of the great more or less self-taught stride pianists like Waller, the Lion and Tatum, but I'm wondering if they used the sostenuto pedal either instinctively or were taught to use it along with the other techniques they picked up from their mentors.

    • @loluoresegun5844
      @loluoresegun5844 Před 7 lety +2

      I wondered the same thing. But I don't think so. A Fats Waller footage shows him quickly do a tenth, then with lightning speed hold the thumb note and substitute it for a pinky to leap off to the next chord! As for a Tatum footage, he just dropped the tenth stretch like it's hot! Very strong thumb.

    • @vaes8813
      @vaes8813 Před 5 lety

      crowe bobby khrr

    • @andrewbarrett1537
      @andrewbarrett1537 Před 2 lety

      @@loluoresegun5844 Yes Fats Waller needed to use this kind of technique since he was playing a Wurlitzer piano-console theatre organ at the Lincoln Theatre in Harlem. These instruments have a large upright piano as the basis of the console, rather than just a shell with keyboards, and the lower manual is the piano's actual keyboard, while the upper manual is a normal organ manual. However, these instruments also have a standard full organ pedalboard, so the bass notes can be managed with the feet, meaning stretching tenths is not necessary unless you're playing the piano part solo or don't have the piano bass coupled to the organ pedals: czcams.com/video/_QZlR4106nM/video.html

    • @andrewbarrett1537
      @andrewbarrett1537 Před 2 lety

      @@loluoresegun5844 When playing the organ, legato touch is a MUST since there is no sustain pedal or equivalent. All notes are sustained with the fingers. Some theatre organs DO have a complicated sostenuto mechanism (I think mainly some larger Wurlitzers) but it was an expensive feature in the 1920s so not too many organs had it. I think this works via the electropneumatic relay. Today, sostenuto can be added on organs having a computer relay system, since it's done in the software, and connected to a toe piston (large silver colored round knob-shaped button pushed by the foot to control something).

  • @Ragtimer95
    @Ragtimer95 Před 11 lety +2

    George Gershwin's "Swanee" from 1918.

  • @mrsbucky1
    @mrsbucky1 Před 3 lety +1

    Nice shoes!

  • @orangeoranges11
    @orangeoranges11 Před 13 lety

    @nonagona3 thank you SO much for finding that! :D

  • @Keeper1st
    @Keeper1st Před 13 lety

    @mikeb1444 Their acoustic uprights. I would hope that the digital ones, if they had a middle pedal, would also emulate a proper sostenuto. I don't recall seeing a digital piano with three pedals, but it's been a while since I've seen a digital piano.

  • @xTJProduction1000x
    @xTJProduction1000x Před 11 lety +2

    That's awesome, really informative, what was the name of that song he played?

  • @Ragtimer95
    @Ragtimer95 Před 11 lety

    Very informative! Thank you!

  • @loluoresegun5844
    @loluoresegun5844 Před 7 lety +1

    Reminds one of Art Tatum's left hand, which were like two hands in one. Maybe he experimented with the middle pedal? Maybe not.

  • @Keeper1st
    @Keeper1st Před 13 lety

    @mikeb1444 Hmm, I can't remember if the soft pedal works properly or is a typical upright action of just moving closer to the strings. I'd think if they managed to make a sostenuto system work on their upright, they should have been able to make the left pedal work properly too.

  • @yunusahmed755
    @yunusahmed755 Před 3 lety

    Amazing I’ve been trying to figure it out but it only took two mins of watching to understand 👌

  • @Keeper1st
    @Keeper1st Před 13 lety

    @mikeb1444 Ah, well then at least you know that the Yamahas have one. I think I heard that new Steinway uprights do now also, but I've never seen one. I can vouch for the Yamahas though as I have played around with the sostenuto on a couple of them. Tom's doing OK I guess. Saw him a month ago. He turned 40 a little over a week ago. Years ago he had said something about the world coming to end if that ever happened, but somehow we're still here...

  • @noMartennoparty
    @noMartennoparty Před 14 lety

    nice shoes!!!

  • @Dr_Xyzt
    @Dr_Xyzt Před 13 lety

    @Keeper1st
    Hmmm. Now if the una corda works, I just might be getting a piano for the holidays :)
    Thanks for the reply!

  • @bobu5213
    @bobu5213 Před 5 lety

    That is a nice song. Sounds like a pianola roll almost.

  • @dcunited710
    @dcunited710 Před 4 lety

    Swanee ! 👏

  • @Dr_Xyzt
    @Dr_Xyzt Před 13 lety

    @Keeper1st
    I've been looking for a Piano with a sostenuto since my 1950's Story and Clark console doesn't have one. I swore to myself I'd never own a digital one though.... By the way. How's Tom doing?

  • @nousernamewhatsoever
    @nousernamewhatsoever Před 14 lety

    How come that in my piano the middle pedal only dampens the sound?doesn't all pianos have the sostenuto pedal?

  • @maxcheong2271
    @maxcheong2271 Před rokem

    Is that frederick

  • @Dr_Xyzt
    @Dr_Xyzt Před 13 lety

    @Keeper1st
    Is that for the acoustic ones, or the digital ones that look like uprights.

  • @_GRiM1
    @_GRiM1 Před 7 lety

    Wish my piano had one

  • @futhamucka
    @futhamucka Před 10 lety

    incredible. What a feat of engineering that this was invented long before the use of software. And now I know how to actually utilize the damned thing! Thank you very much indeed :)

  • @IIGrayfoxII
    @IIGrayfoxII Před 8 lety +55

    Draco Malfoy

    • @Supernun91
      @Supernun91 Před 7 lety +15

      Actually it's Adolf Malfoy

  • @keiran110
    @keiran110 Před 14 lety

    not the best toupè but great video and pretty nice playing

  • @katowarrior
    @katowarrior Před 12 lety

    classy *

  • @kaelyntai7433
    @kaelyntai7433 Před 7 lety +1

    How would you know to use it? How would you see it in musical computation?

    • @seiph80
      @seiph80 Před 7 lety +1

      Kaelyn Tai I believe you would see an abbreviation of Sost. and then a long line up to the point where it stops
      Sost._______________|

    • @kaelyntai7433
      @kaelyntai7433 Před 7 lety +1

      oh cool!

    • @Dylan_Thomas1
      @Dylan_Thomas1 Před 6 lety

      Seiph80, wouldn't you also need to have specific notes designated as staccato and others sustained? Maybe that's obvious though.

  • @mrmikerotch
    @mrmikerotch Před 14 lety

    ...and the one on the left is the clutch.

  • @MestizoFilipino
    @MestizoFilipino Před 9 lety +1

    How does that work? Does it only undampen the bottom notes?

    • @y0y0dude7821
      @y0y0dude7821 Před 9 lety +5

      It undampens whatever note(s) is/are being held down at the instant the pedal is pressed. For as long as the pedal is held down, those note(s) will continue to be undampened, so if you have the sostenuto pedal down and play the "selected" note(s) again they will not be dampened.
      Hope that makes sense!

    • @andrewbarrett1537
      @andrewbarrett1537 Před 2 lety

      In the action there is a long rod spanning the width of the piano action just under the damper levers, which has a series of little hooks on it. When the rod is rotated about 90 degrees, the hooks can catch and hold whatever damper levers are already up / raised with the dampers off the strings. The damper levers have a special sprung pivot on them so that any notes played while the sostenuto is activated will just push the lever out of the way against the spring, without causing any damage, but the lever will not catch and those notes will not sustain past the time they are held with the fingers.

  • @HOTsos
    @HOTsos Před 10 lety

    i just got my baby grand tuned - and it doesnt work ...what?

  • @sunshine-qw5md
    @sunshine-qw5md Před 7 lety +5

    The sostenuto pedal on my piano doesn't work

    • @hoangpiano3932
      @hoangpiano3932 Před 7 lety +4

      on most upright piano, the middle pedal is not the sostenuto, it's soft pedal to reduce the volume

    • @sunshine-qw5md
      @sunshine-qw5md Před 7 lety +1

      Hoang Cosmic on my piano the left pedal softens the sound

    • @hoangpiano3932
      @hoangpiano3932 Před 7 lety +1

      the left pedal softens the sound, produces a mellow sound that sound a bit different than normal, the middle pedal on upright acoustic piano is called "mute pedal"- it's reduce the volume so u can practice at night, but if u are using a digital piano, if the middle pedal does not work, it may have broken down

    • @andrewbarrett1537
      @andrewbarrett1537 Před 2 lety

      see my other post elsewhere about this ;)

  • @Trumpcod
    @Trumpcod Před 2 lety

    What song did he play?

  • @catpaws1913
    @catpaws1913 Před 9 lety

    Omygosh. Why. Mine just kinda mutes the piano volume. When i pass it down, the keys sink.... Is it broken?

    • @Dabaka93
      @Dabaka93 Před 9 lety

      I think your middle pedal is a silencer. So you can play without sound. Sometimes this function is connected with electronic sensors, that send MIDI signals out, so you can only hear the piano in headphones.

    • @catpaws1913
      @catpaws1913 Před 9 lety

      Ohh. Thx^^

  • @herbertkozubek2022
    @herbertkozubek2022 Před 2 lety

    Hello, what piano do you play on?

  • @KawhackitaRag
    @KawhackitaRag Před 15 lety

    Of course in some of the cheapest uprights (such as the one in our garage), the middle pedal doesn't do a darn thing, and never did! It was just for show, as an imaginary "selling point".

  • @larrynovotny1673
    @larrynovotny1673 Před 7 lety

    Is he leaping an octave right before he uses the sostenuto pedal?

    • @loluoresegun5844
      @loluoresegun5844 Před 7 lety

      Nope. It's a left-hand tenth stretch/span, slightly broken to highlight the thumb tenor line.

    • @andrewbarrett1537
      @andrewbarrett1537 Před 2 lety

      He could be leaping more than an octave and a half to reach the low bass notes before playing the chords.

  • @orangeoranges11
    @orangeoranges11 Před 13 lety

    What's the song at the end? It's awesome! :3

    • @Trumpcod
      @Trumpcod Před rokem

      Swanee
      By frederick hodges

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    @adalbertocabrera9999 Před 4 lety

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  • @revofex
    @revofex Před 3 lety

    Yea my middle pedal on my upright does not work 💀

    • @Keeper1st
      @Keeper1st Před 2 lety

      On most uprights, the middle pedal either lifts dampers off bass notes only, or operates a mandolin rail. The only uprights I've seen that have a working sostenuto system are modern Yamahas.

    • @andrewbarrett1537
      @andrewbarrett1537 Před rokem

      Some uprights just have a middle pedal for show or for future expansion. It has a spring to return it but isn’t hooked up to anything.

  • @yco67
    @yco67 Před 3 lety

    shot right after bowling..

  • @CxNightshade_Music
    @CxNightshade_Music Před 6 lety

    Why is my sostenuto on the right? p.s. It's a grand piano.

  • @Keeper1st
    @Keeper1st Před 14 lety +1

    @keiran110 Definitely not the best toupée, since it's not a toupée.

  • @pilotdrift05
    @pilotdrift05 Před 2 lety

    I don’t need a third hand. I already have one 😏

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    @joefagan6244 Před 7 lety +1

    mens saddle shoes.

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    @LionHeartNet Před 4 lety

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  • @meditatingstuff
    @meditatingstuff Před 5 lety

    Hot guy 😘

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    @roe2012 Před 5 lety

    Mr.Beast

  • @anabellik
    @anabellik Před 8 lety +3

    I think you are extremely good looking :)