1958 Mars Bluff Nuclear Bomb Incident

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  • čas přidán 12. 01. 2021
  • In 2003 Walter Gregg, then 82, said "Not too many people can say they've had a nuclear bomb dropped on them. Not too many would want to." The 1958 Mars Bluff nuclear weapon incident deserves to be remembered.
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  • @Spencer481
    @Spencer481 Před 3 lety +1363

    The air force has a massive budget, but couldn't fully pay someone back for accidently bombing their house and nearly killing them, amazing.

    • @TheHistoryGuyChannel
      @TheHistoryGuyChannel  Před 3 lety +431

      I agree. it is really disappointing to hear how the Greggs were treated in the reimbursement process.

    • @avilacanario
      @avilacanario Před 3 lety +101

      Especially back in the 1950s

    • @Spencer481
      @Spencer481 Před 3 lety +121

      @@avilacanario you'd think ~5 to 10k would have been enough to fully build a brand new house in the 50s so how badly did they short him!

    • @AndrewVelonis
      @AndrewVelonis Před 3 lety +224

      Probably the same amount it cost to circle that plane for 3 hours before landing.

    • @xiro6
      @xiro6 Před 3 lety +130

      @@Spencer481 specially when you think that they "build" entire villages to blast them in nuclear tests.
      and the house was blasted by a "nuclear bomb".
      the only house needed back,and...

  • @christopherbrochu7492
    @christopherbrochu7492 Před 3 lety +78

    "unscheduled bomb drop" is a textbook example of military understatement.

    • @maxwellcrazycat9204
      @maxwellcrazycat9204 Před rokem

      Makes me think of "Undocumented immigrant.

    • @alantasman8273
      @alantasman8273 Před rokem +1

      @@maxwellcrazycat9204 or Military Intelligence or Honest Politician

    • @duderama6750
      @duderama6750 Před rokem

      Unacknowledged propaganda stunt.
      Calling Mars Bluff, calling Mars Bluff! Did you feel your brain getting damaged by the whoosh of hot air between your ears?

    • @Cracktaculus
      @Cracktaculus Před rokem +1

      @@alantasman8273 jumbo shrimp

    • @danarzechula3769
      @danarzechula3769 Před rokem

      like "casualty"

  • @jerrymartinii1907
    @jerrymartinii1907 Před 3 lety +153

    When that bomb went off, my grandfather was surveying land in NC nearly 40 miles away. He heard the explosion. As a captain in an army artillery unit, he recognized the sound as an explosion.

    • @AngryCatMan1982
      @AngryCatMan1982 Před rokem

      Rowland, NC? My grandparents lived in Raemon/Midway.

    • @jonnyd9351
      @jonnyd9351 Před 6 dny

      Hiroshima was only heard at 50 miles away

    • @jerrymartinii1907
      @jerrymartinii1907 Před 6 dny

      @@jonnyd9351 This makes sense. Hiroshima has mountains, the bomb in this clip landed on the coastal plains, so the land was flat for miles in every direction.

  • @Curator6631
    @Curator6631 Před rokem +146

    I was part of the ground crew that prepared the aircraft for flight. The Crew Chief and I were picked up in separate staff cars and kept separated for hours until the flight were questioned about our movements and if we had been in or looked in the bomb bay at any time. I never talked about the indecent until I read about it in a book about 10 years later. (Americas Necular Accidents)

    • @rcarraturo
      @rcarraturo Před rokem +13

      Your part of history Sir

    • @TomGarrett73
      @TomGarrett73 Před rokem +6

      Amazing story! Thanks for sharing.

    • @fcukyou2_
      @fcukyou2_ Před rokem

      no you werent...that was 66years ago, that would make you atleast 84-86yrs old and more like 90....
      so youre 85-90yrs old, fucking around on YT? lol please.... what do you people get iut of making this shit up, its like the new "first" post or "whoever reads this..." hoping for likes or something, every video has "that was my grandpa" and some story...like who does that? so pathetic

    • @DetroitFettyghost
      @DetroitFettyghost Před rokem +5

      No fault of yours Arthur, thanks for sharing your experience with us, I hope it doesn't weigh heavy on you at all for it shouldn't. Much love!

    • @youknoweverything7643
      @youknoweverything7643 Před rokem

      Thank you for your service and yes it's crazzy the military will hide stuff and keep info from their own airmen and troops to hide things and not freak out the public. You sir are part of history and should not feel terrible about it not your fault at all. My dad was in the airforce for 27 years and mom did 23 years they both entered the airforce in the mid 80s and dad went to desert storm and the Gulf war and Iraqi freedom. And he went to a bunch other countries for missions and duty and service like Columbia to track drug trafficking planes during Pablo Escobar days in the height of it and he went missing for two weeks mom got through to the head of red cross after a week of not hearing from dad and she finally got the answers she needed apparently the hotel they was in was evacuated of all American military members due to bomb and sure enough Pablo had found out American armed forces was staying there had his guys plant bombs and blew the whole front side of the hotel out every room the had American service members in them was gone and they evacuated them secretly about 30ins before it went off and dad said they got tdonw the road and they looked back and the whole front side of hotel.blew out and was leveled cuse some dumb airmen was running around in bars about two days later telling ppl he is gonna kill Pablo himself drunk and then some females was pretending to flirt with him went back to his hotel which was where my dad was in same hotel but not room and told the two lady's that all the American airforce members that are in Columbia are all staying in this hotel and the one next door and those two chicks was informants for Pablo. My dad was a sergeant for radar operations and they was all given Canadian IDs and was supposed to tell ppl they are Canadians their on vacation and visiting and couldn't wear any military uniform or anything they got dressed on base in the tunnel they worked out of on radars tracking drug planes.

  • @BluefootOnEire
    @BluefootOnEire Před 3 lety +906

    “Sorry we dropped a nuclear dud on your house” probably can’t be found in the hallmark isle

    • @kingjames4886
      @kingjames4886 Před 3 lety +37

      maybe in the russian hallmark isle...

    • @johnnybgoodeish
      @johnnybgoodeish Před 3 lety +37

      Roses are red
      Violets are blue
      So sorry we dropped a bomb on you
      USAF
      -pretty lame I must admit! :) -but who can do better! :)

    • @cynthiajohnson9412
      @cynthiajohnson9412 Před 3 lety +17

      "Secretary Baird : Broken Arrow. It's a Class 4 Strategic Theatre Emergency. It's what we call it when we lose a nuclear weapon. Giles Prentice : I don't know what's scarier, losing a nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it." From the movie of the same name.

    • @nbibby
      @nbibby Před 3 lety +5

      Too funny. Thanks I’ve started my day with a good chuckle 🤭

    • @kirtliedahl
      @kirtliedahl Před 3 lety +3

      Hahaha good one 🤣

  • @change_your_oil_regularly4287

    Drop a nuke on his house and injured his kids but didn't rebuild his house? Poor form!

    • @lilivonshtup3808
      @lilivonshtup3808 Před 3 lety +32

      But gee, I bet he got a pretty neat letter to frame with President Eisenhower's autograph!

    • @mickenzie5863
      @mickenzie5863 Před 3 lety +15

      It's still a vacant lot.

    • @haplessasshole9615
      @haplessasshole9615 Před 3 lety +94

      "Poor form" at best. "Piss-poor treatment of a citizen bombed by their own country" is a bit more like it.

    • @haplessasshole9615
      @haplessasshole9615 Před 3 lety +7

      @@mickenzie5863 Got a Google Earth (or some such) image link? I'd like to see that.

    • @jservice6594
      @jservice6594 Před 3 lety +4

      @@haplessasshole9615 As if they gave a shit.

  • @gadams8160
    @gadams8160 Před 3 lety +61

    My father was a career Marine, two tours in Vietnam, decorated. A really good man and an archetypal combat veteran. He retired as a Lt. Col after 26 years in the Corps and went on to a second career in academia and public service. He taught university courses in history, mainly about WWII and Vietnam. He imparted a love for history in me, but I remember he often lamented how hard it was to get his students interested and engaged in things of the past. It is bittersweet for me to watch the History Guy because I think of my dad, every time, and how much he would have loved this couple's body of work. The segments are consistently visually appropriate and fascinating, and the scripts are always efficient and interesting, no matter the subject. If he were here today I would tell him a joke that he would have loved, and then straight to the computer for a History Guy or two to get him rolling. Thanks so much and keep up the stellar work!

    • @m9641
      @m9641 Před rokem +1

      Tell your dad he is a loser. Lost the Vietnam War.... calling losers "heroes"?!? That was the start of the 'everyone gets a trophy for participating' pansy culture that is popular now!

    • @kevindunlap5525
      @kevindunlap5525 Před rokem

      Well, we sure gave him a nice ride.

    • @garethgriffiths8577
      @garethgriffiths8577 Před rokem +1

      Thank you for your father's service from a former Royal marine over the pond

    • @gadams8160
      @gadams8160 Před rokem +2

      @@garethgriffiths8577 Thanks, Gareth. I don't remember specifics, but my dad's unit did some sort of collaboration with the Royal Marines back in the day, which led him to a life long friendship ,with one Leslie Hudson, who I believe retired as a colonel and has since passed, and a lifelong respect for the Royal Marines. Col. Hudson brought me a Wooly Pulley over from the UK when I was in high school and it was a cherished garment. Another good man. Anyway, thanks for your service as well. Cheers !

    • @Helismoke
      @Helismoke Před rokem +3

      God Bless your father! I served in Vietnam as a helicopter pilot first in the Infantry and then the US Air Cavalry. When my buddies were scootin' around town in their 68 Mustangs and 57 Chevys I was scootin' around the neighborhood in my Huey and then Kiowa, wishing I was on the ground wishin' I was up here! We were young and invincible, your father and I, brothers from different mothers.
      History will judge us as trying to do the right thing, and one day soon I will see your father on " Fiddlers Green". HOOOAH!

  • @kingcosworth2643
    @kingcosworth2643 Před 3 lety +19

    I have a blasting licence, we set off 20kg of ANFO as a surface charge strictly for a percussion test. We were standing around 400m (437yds) away. Standing far away you get experiences from the blast, you see it, you feel it through the ground and then you hear it. It was an obvious sensation through the ground and when the sound wave came it moved my hair and clothing and you can see the camera move back and forward as the wave past. This was 45lbs @ 437yds, and these people experienced 2000lbs @ within roughly 100yds. Not a pure percussion blast as the blast would of had some load blowing the bomb structure apart, but still, this would be such an aggressive assault on the senses, it's pretty much impossible to imagine.

  • @ShootAUT
    @ShootAUT Před 3 lety +336

    "Granpa, how did you meet uncle Kulka"
    "Well, that 70ft swimming pool in the backyard? He did the excavation. We had a blast that afternoon."

    • @marbleman52
      @marbleman52 Před 3 lety +11

      Good one..!!!

    • @kevintucker3354
      @kevintucker3354 Před 3 lety +2

      That Max Headroom?

    • @ShootAUT
      @ShootAUT Před 3 lety +2

      @@kevintucker3354
      The one and only. Usually gets mistaken for Eminem these days.

    • @pappy451
      @pappy451 Před 3 lety +1

      @@ShootAUT Eminem wishes he was as cool as Max Headroom .

    • @KlodFather
      @KlodFather Před 3 lety +2

      @@pappy451 - I think Eminem would play a great Max Headroom and would love to hear some raps done that way LOL
      Also they should use Max Headroom for the first AI that becomes sentient LOL That would be really cool :D

  • @prismstudios001
    @prismstudios001 Před 3 lety +561

    Jiggling the pin with a hammer...Translation: Beating the Holy crap out of it.....

    • @MosoKaiser
      @MosoKaiser Před 3 lety +69

      Or, as it likely was put in the official reports, "percussive maintenance methods were used."

    • @leonerduk
      @leonerduk Před 3 lety +26

      The engineering term for that is "percussive maintenance"

    • @Daniel-Weaver
      @Daniel-Weaver Před 3 lety +9

      Has Ave joined the chat?

    • @jonathantillian6528
      @jonathantillian6528 Před 3 lety +8

      This is the approved first response for all military equipment.

    • @buttafan4010
      @buttafan4010 Před 3 lety +1

      ... gentle persuasion my_ss!

  • @tugginalong
    @tugginalong Před 3 lety +26

    I knew Mr. Gregg and I used to work with his son Walter. He was a fine man that was always smiling and happy. He loved telling this story. I’ve heard it several times from him.

  • @tommynikon2283
    @tommynikon2283 Před rokem +38

    The scarier conclusion is: there have been ALOT of "broken arrow" accidents and our understanding of all things nuclear THEN....was pretty archaic compared to now.

    • @XeroCool420
      @XeroCool420 Před rokem

      Until you look at the nuclear secret incident currently happening in politics and you realize that it's really just how well we keep the ignorant idiots away from positions of power. Mainly the presidency

    • @gs1100ed
      @gs1100ed Před rokem +3

      Nothing has changed. We still only know what we have been told.

  • @mannys9130
    @mannys9130 Před 3 lety +325

    "Hey, what about Major Kong???"
    Little did I know, that scene was almost entirely historically accurate. That navigator was so lucky he didn't ride that bomb out of the bomb bay after releasing it. 😱

    • @richblantin1343
      @richblantin1343 Před 3 lety +13

      Catch 22.😰 YEE ,HAW !

    • @darrellsmith4204
      @darrellsmith4204 Před 3 lety +6

      That's how your hard core commie works..

    • @F22onblockland
      @F22onblockland Před 3 lety +39

      @@HeaanLasai Looking at nuclear accidents and close calls has you looking at humanity like a child with a lighter in one hand playing with a stick of dynamite in the other.
      And we're still doing it.

    • @homefront3162
      @homefront3162 Před 3 lety

      @@richblantin1343 LOL 👍🏻😏👍🏻

    • @AndrewVelonis
      @AndrewVelonis Před 3 lety +32

      No, it was Dr. Strangelove.

  • @korbell1089
    @korbell1089 Před 3 lety +383

    THG: "By jiggling the pin with a hammer."
    USAF: "I want you to beat on this nuclear bomb until the pins seat properly or you see a white light."

    • @Underwatergoat1
      @Underwatergoat1 Před 3 lety +26

      Don't force it.
      Use a bigger hammer.

    • @spikespa5208
      @spikespa5208 Před 3 lety +21

      WD 40.

    • @jamesengland7461
      @jamesengland7461 Před 3 lety +3

      Yes!

    • @61rampy65
      @61rampy65 Před 3 lety +21

      They could have tried holding the bomb in place with duct tape.

    • @lightweight1974
      @lightweight1974 Před 3 lety +7

      @@Underwatergoat1 I used to work for a guy who said that all the time. If ya think about it, there is some validity to it.

  • @LukeSilverstar1000
    @LukeSilverstar1000 Před rokem +8

    This is about 50 miles from where I grew up, and it was legendary amongst locals. I’ve actually visited the site. It was very overgrown but I did find the crater pond back away from the main road.

  • @ringandpinion3064
    @ringandpinion3064 Před rokem +21

    I've always loved history but hated it in school until I had a teacher that was probably similar to The History Guy. He enjoyed history and thus, so did his entire class. Thanks History Guy, you do a great job, Mr. Klassen would be proud of you.

  • @JasonLambek
    @JasonLambek Před 3 lety +395

    I’ve known of this “incident” for years, but never had heard anything about the family, folks nearby, and related stories/information. That’s what I love about TheHistoryGuy; all that extra information gleaned from what has to be pretty exhaustive and skilled research. Another great vid. Thank you!

    • @msgstar4933
      @msgstar4933 Před 3 lety +1

      Yeah TheHistoryGuy is great at patching out some nonsense creative story about the cat Mitzi....
      Mark Felton Productions all the way! Ahem, Dr.
      Just playing The History Guy is amazing!!!

    • @dixienormous2704
      @dixienormous2704 Před 3 lety +6

      @@msgstar4933 The story was also told in "Atomic Accidents" by James Mahaffey. I think we accidentally almost nuked ourselves 117 times, and that's just us.

    • @schoolssection
      @schoolssection Před 3 lety +2

      Great humanizing of what could have been a jumble of technology.

    • @robbybee70
      @robbybee70 Před 3 lety +3

      this is the first I"m hearing of it despite only living about 110 miles from there

    • @MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD
      @MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD Před 3 lety +2

      @@msgstar4933 if they are using Florence SC as a landmark that explains a lot. I'm surprised there were a dozen homes around to be damaged.

  • @maxlever9196
    @maxlever9196 Před 3 lety +82

    I was 4 y.o. and lived not so far away. Scared my parents when they saw the hole. I had forgotten about this incident.

    • @topixfromthetropix1674
      @topixfromthetropix1674 Před 3 lety +6

      I lived in Darlington at that time and some of our friends lived in Mars Bluff and were affected.

    • @bloodybones63
      @bloodybones63 Před 3 lety +2

      @@topixfromthetropix1674 Conway.

    • @arfarms5711
      @arfarms5711 Před 3 lety +4

      @@bloodybones63 hey y’all. Pamplico here. I saw Mars Bluff and thought could this be our SC Florence county Mars Bluff?? I literally live 15 miles from there and have never heard of this

    • @Carolina-sports-fan
      @Carolina-sports-fan Před 3 lety +2

      12 minutes from there, buddy of mine lives only a couple blocks from there right now

    • @nomdeguerre7265
      @nomdeguerre7265 Před 2 lety

      I lived in Mars Bluff briefly during my high school years. I've always gotten a bit of kick out of having lived somewhere that had an 'atomic bomb' dropped on it. :)

  • @goodstufffromdavidpaul2246

    My grand parents were a pastor couple in the town of Tonopah, Nevada during the above ground testing days of the late 50's to 60s?. One evening she went out for a walk...the next morning she awoke to find half her body had turned red. The symptom eventually went away- but she died within 8 years of an extremely rare form of spinal bone cancer. I've often wondered if this was all connected to military activity back then. Have you ever explored this area of questionable atomic testing from that era?

    • @aj2080xy6
      @aj2080xy6 Před 25 dny

      Sounds like they were downwinders

    • @TishaHayes
      @TishaHayes Před 19 dny

      Look up the filming location for the 1956 movie "The Conqueror" where John Wayne portrays Genghis Khan (an absolutely horrible movie). It was filmed in Snow Canyon Utah and was directly downwind of some of the continental nuclear tests in the mid 1950's. It is reported that of the cast and crew of 220 people, 91 developed cancer.
      Running around in a dusty environment that is still laden with radionuclides, breathing that stuff in and living and sleeping in it is definitely bad for your health.

    • @goodstufffromdavidpaul2246
      @goodstufffromdavidpaul2246 Před 18 dny

      @@TishaHayes Yup- I remember reading
      about that.

  • @eligebrown8998
    @eligebrown8998 Před 3 lety +177

    We need guys like you in our schools sir. History would be more exciting for sure.

    • @senatorjosephmccarthy2720
      @senatorjosephmccarthy2720 Před 3 lety +4

      We're allowed to have schools?

    • @eligebrown8998
      @eligebrown8998 Před 3 lety +3

      Well not lately apearintly

    • @bentinhalf
      @bentinhalf Před 3 lety +3

      *Apparently. We can tell lol.

    • @shawngoldsberry747
      @shawngoldsberry747 Před 3 lety +2

      Too late History is now canceled for everyone in the United States

    • @eligebrown8998
      @eligebrown8998 Před 3 lety +4

      @@shawngoldsberry747 not in my family. If they dont learn it at school, I have family the get xtra education when they get home from school. They dont like it but at least they'll be a little smarter then most

  • @kenp7814
    @kenp7814 Před 3 lety +14

    1) Mark Felton
    2) The History Guy
    3) Dark Docs
    All I Need To Get Me Through The Day

  • @lowellmccormick6991
    @lowellmccormick6991 Před 3 lety +25

    I knew a nuclear weapons safety officer and he gave me a thick stack of papers that described all of the unclassified accidents involving U.S. nuclear weapons. The first was in 1946 and it included this incident. It included the incident off the coast of Savannah and the one that is the basis of the book, "Thunderball". Scary stuff.

    • @lulumoon6942
      @lulumoon6942 Před rokem +2

      Imagine the classified stuff! 👀

    • @gs1100ed
      @gs1100ed Před rokem

      How come we are not all dead? All that radiation!

  • @TheDkeeler
    @TheDkeeler Před 3 lety +9

    The Boeing B-47 is one of my favorite aircraft. Just finished building a model of it the Hasegawa 1/72 scale model first introduce in 1968. It is still being issued. The years 1957 and 1958 were deadly years for this bomber having lost 175 crew members to accidents. All toll about 462 crew were lost in accidents from 1951 to 1968. Take offs were so dangerous. If one engine faltered somewhat that side of the wing would dip striking the runway resulting in a fully fueled up aircraft exploding in a ball of flames.

    • @johnbollman7605
      @johnbollman7605 Před rokem

      My ex's father was a navigator on a B-47 and was killed via rough landing and subsequent fire in the mid 60's. There were few details, as I believe his crew was photographing places that were officially "off-limits" over Europe based on where the crash happened.

  • @chrisnurczyk8239
    @chrisnurczyk8239 Před 3 lety +68

    As usual, History Guy delivers with impeccable, detailed research and great delivery. You put so much into a 10-15 minute piece. Always interesting!

  • @doggedout
    @doggedout Před 3 lety +59

    Hah! My dad was on the AF investigative board for this one (and the one of the coast of Georgia!)
    There were some pretty "obvious design flaws" with the drop mechanism..as well as we were not supposed to be having nukes in England....as far as the public was concerned.
    *Edit after watching: That was the most complete description I have heard since my dad used to talk about what he called "the time we nuked a chicken coup".
    "Also, this incident is said to be what inspired Kubric' last scene in Dr. Strangelove. (One of my dad's favorite movies. He marveled at the accuracy.)

    • @dominicseanmccann6300
      @dominicseanmccann6300 Před rokem +2

      Nuked a chicken coup...class! Lovely story. Thank you.

    • @drakefallentine8351
      @drakefallentine8351 Před rokem +7

      Slim Pickens riding the bomb. Yahoo

    • @Mr.Robert1
      @Mr.Robert1 Před rokem +1

      @@drakefallentine8351
      Only one is a movie that makes fun of it and one is reality big difference

    • @gs1100ed
      @gs1100ed Před rokem

      @@Mr.Robert1 Truth in the movies and lies on TV

    • @duderama6750
      @duderama6750 Před rokem +1

      That's how Chic-fil-A was born, and they cook 'em the same way to this day.
      The "A" is for atomic!

  • @bbax069
    @bbax069 Před 3 lety +10

    I was 4 years old when this happened. Grew up about 30 miles east of Mars Bluff. We went to Florence shopping quite often. I remember my grandmother pointing out the site as we passed by on hwy 301. Brings back fond memories of my grandmother! Thanks 😊😊😊

  • @LDN_MZK
    @LDN_MZK Před rokem +6

    This is a really interesting episode. Keep up the good work, I love the amount of detail you research.

  • @gbsailing9436
    @gbsailing9436 Před 3 lety +5

    Love your research and dedication to your work. Keep it up!

  • @martinstent5339
    @martinstent5339 Před 3 lety +34

    Mitsi having 9 lives was untouched.

  • @jfridy
    @jfridy Před 3 lety +206

    While the US was much more public with incidents like this, I wonder what problems the Soviets had in the same vein.

    • @micfail2
      @micfail2 Před 3 lety +48

      There are some Soviet incidences that have been made public. such as the time somebody accidentally loaded a training program into their early warning system and they nearly launched their entire nuclear stockpile because they thought they were under attack

    • @jwenting
      @jwenting Před 3 lety +43

      Probably the same or worse, we'll just never know because instead of compensating the victims they shot them or put them in the Gulag.

    • @rogueriderhood1862
      @rogueriderhood1862 Před 3 lety +10

      Makes you kinda glad the RAF didn't fly around with nukes on board.

    • @gwtpictgwtpict4214
      @gwtpictgwtpict4214 Před 3 lety +16

      @@rogueriderhood1862 What do you think the V bomber force was for?

    • @lilivonshtup3808
      @lilivonshtup3808 Před 3 lety +14

      They were only made public because the public found out.

  • @moparedtn
    @moparedtn Před rokem +7

    An especially well done presentation on this particularly huge moment in our history, THG.
    Much appreciate your efforts on this channel - it's truly noble work you do here!
    - Ed on the Ridge

  • @MandleRoss
    @MandleRoss Před 3 lety +16

    ROFL! Talk about a "shit your pants" moment for the guy in the bomb-bay.

  • @stevecartagena9410
    @stevecartagena9410 Před 3 lety +54

    Interesting episode. We had a B47 base here in our town and I had classmates whose fathers worked on B47’s. My dad loved airplanes so we would go to the base and watch the B47’s take off and land. There was a designated parking area on the East side of the base where civilians could watch. It was a special time in my life growing up and I have always been fascinated with this airplane. Thanks for the bit of history.

    • @h8GW
      @h8GW Před rokem +2

      Ever heard anyone call it the BUFF-lite?

  • @stevedietrich8936
    @stevedietrich8936 Před 3 lety +43

    My goodness but that plane has a sleek, sexy profile with that narrow fuselage and swept wings.

    • @RCAvhstape
      @RCAvhstape Před 3 lety +12

      You should watch the film "Strategic Air Command" starring Jimmy Stewart for lots of B-47 footage. Jimmy was a bomber pilot in WWII Europe and stayed in the USAF Reserve throughout much of his acting career.

    • @michaelathens953
      @michaelathens953 Před 3 lety +8

      The B-47 is definitely one handsome aircraft. Not particularly successful, but darn good looking.

    • @mgmcd1
      @mgmcd1 Před 3 lety +3

      The wings used to crack from doing their bug out loop after dropping a device (USAF procedure.) So they left service pretty quickly.

    • @buttafan4010
      @buttafan4010 Před 3 lety

      Carlin was right!

    • @MobiusLeader007
      @MobiusLeader007 Před 3 lety +1

      Was thinking the same thing. What a beauty!

  • @garyolivier792
    @garyolivier792 Před 3 lety +1

    I always look forward to these!!
    Thank you for posting them !!

  • @hovanti
    @hovanti Před 3 lety +5

    There once was a man named Gregg
    Who received quite the dreadful "egg";
    Though it wasn't a nuke, still there was a rebuke
    But he still became friends with the crew...

  • @bsjeffrey
    @bsjeffrey Před 3 lety +135

    i'm reminded of dr strangelove.

    • @TheHistoryGuyChannel
      @TheHistoryGuyChannel  Před 3 lety +78

      Kulka very nearly went down like Slim Pickens.

    • @davidhollenshead4892
      @davidhollenshead4892 Před 3 lety +10

      @@TheHistoryGuyChannel What is so strange about Dr. Strangelove is that it failed to convince the US & CCCP to dismantle their Nuclear Arsenal...

    • @GnuReligion
      @GnuReligion Před 3 lety +24

      @@davidhollenshead4892 It is time to stop worrying and learn to love the bomb.

    • @marbleman52
      @marbleman52 Před 3 lety +10

      @@GnuReligion But today, the mantra should be: It is time to stop worrying and learn to love the virus.

    • @GnuReligion
      @GnuReligion Před 3 lety +3

      @@marbleman52 That is clever. It is peculiar, that political alignment can be determined by how pro-mask, or pro-shutdown someone is. czcams.com/video/HKsDem1r4_A/video.html

  • @allenatkins2263
    @allenatkins2263 Před 3 lety +50

    "We have met the enemy and he is us."--- Pogo

  • @joemarandino8044
    @joemarandino8044 Před rokem +2

    This is such a fantastic channel. He's great narrating everything and the content is so fascinating every time.

  • @gregorysquires2685
    @gregorysquires2685 Před 3 lety

    There was a CZcams survey attached to your video asking why it was a good “recommendation”. Of all the multiple choices that I could choose, “I’m a subscriber” was not an option. This is the first time I’ve ever seen a survey on a video “recommendation”. I always love your content!!! Keep up the great work!!!!

  • @robertmorris2388
    @robertmorris2388 Před 3 lety +191

    They would not rebuild the home. That’s not fair, that’s just not right.

    • @bantalee2002
      @bantalee2002 Před 3 lety +13

      No, it is not right.

    • @ronaldgarrison8478
      @ronaldgarrison8478 Před 3 lety +15

      In our time, he'd probably make a fortune off the royalties from the rights to the story.

    • @outdoorfreedom9778
      @outdoorfreedom9778 Před 3 lety +19

      Correct but you are talking about a country that stood US Army trainees in shallow trenches in front of an atomic bomb to see what the results would be.
      Different times, different thinking!

    • @redrock3109
      @redrock3109 Před 3 lety +7

      @@outdoorfreedom9778 - they did more than just stand there, they actually were ordered to run towards it. Saw that here on CZcams one time.

    • @jkocol
      @jkocol Před 3 lety +4

      From what I heard they paid enough to repair the damages, just not rebuild from the ground up. Also since it's taxpayer money, regulations force them to be as cheap as possible to save taxpayers from more waste.

  • @grapeshot
    @grapeshot Před 3 lety +179

    All these nuclear accidents, you sometimes have to ask yourself was Homer Simpson involved. DOH!!!!!!

    • @crissd8283
      @crissd8283 Před 3 lety +1

      I never realized how many nuclear accidents there have been until I watched the "Plainly Difficult" youtube channel.

    • @Jameson1776
      @Jameson1776 Před 3 lety +4

      It’s pronounced nuckulear.

    • @patrickhorvath2684
      @patrickhorvath2684 Před 3 lety

      I think I read somewhere that losing a device has happened something like 32 times. I don't know how many times they lost a " device" before they came up with the term Broken Arrow for such an incident.

    • @ScottKenny1978
      @ScottKenny1978 Před 3 lety

      No, Homer is a Navy Nuke, the USAF is much worse about losing or breaking nukes.

    • @justanotherguy469
      @justanotherguy469 Před 3 lety

      Grabbed the bomb release lever because he needed something to hold on to. Good Grief!!!

  • @stevenbrowningsr1144
    @stevenbrowningsr1144 Před rokem +1

    Please keep it up! Enjoy seeing some of the stories about occurrences that I remember a few different things about.

  • @jimtalbott9535
    @jimtalbott9535 Před 3 lety +4

    My Uncle was a Major in the USAF at this time, and 2 years prior had been a radar observer on a B-52 that crashed near Tracy, CA (he survived). His wife always swore that every time they were moved by the military to a new base she could expect stuff to be broken, lost, or stolen, or sometimes all three. Apparently they ran moves like that as cheaply and slowly as possible - just like paying for the damage to this man’s house, apparently.

  • @stevedietrich8936
    @stevedietrich8936 Před 3 lety +77

    Somewhere in your house Pookie is thinking "I'm glad Mitsy made it out OK."

    • @davidleethompsoniii8263
      @davidleethompsoniii8263 Před 3 lety +6

      Was it an accident or an incident...
      Accident sounds like it's down to earth and real and being honest...
      Incidence sounds like it's politically correct,,,,
      While whitewashing it!

    • @geoben1810
      @geoben1810 Před 3 lety +2

      @@davidleethompsoniii8263
      🤤⁉️

    • @baardkopperud
      @baardkopperud Před 3 lety +12

      Probably used-up one of her nine lives though...

    • @TheHistoryGuyChannel
      @TheHistoryGuyChannel  Před 3 lety +59

      "loss incident" is the Air Force term, and I suspect it is intended to make it sound less egregious than "bombed South Carolina."

    • @jtc1947
      @jtc1947 Před 3 lety +3

      @@TheHistoryGuyChannel Might have been appropriate for the B47 crew to report, " Hunter Control? WE HAVE A PROBLEM HERE!

  • @vlmellody51
    @vlmellody51 Před 3 lety +10

    My dad was one of the first people to fly a KC135. He was very proud of that fact and absolutely loved flying one of them.

  • @philpaule472
    @philpaule472 Před 3 lety +2

    Love your channel and the great stories you tell

  • @bartman9400
    @bartman9400 Před 3 lety +5

    I really like listening to these true stories and i must admit I also love the way you seem to get really into the story and tell it so well. Great content keep them coming

  • @ProperLogicalDebate
    @ProperLogicalDebate Před 3 lety +84

    A flyover during his burial might or might not be appreciated.

  • @harleylawdude
    @harleylawdude Před 3 lety +46

    I met the bombardier. The incident seemed to be life defining.

    • @swillm3ister
      @swillm3ister Před 3 lety +1

      How so?

    • @darrellsmith4204
      @darrellsmith4204 Před 3 lety +12

      @@swillm3ister He never uttered the word "oops" again..

    • @swillm3ister
      @swillm3ister Před 3 lety +2

      @@darrellsmith4204 LoL sounds about right. That's definitely a memorable mistake.

    • @harleylawdude
      @harleylawdude Před 3 lety +5

      @@swillm3isterMy wife knew his wife from a "self-help" program. They were much older, of course.

    • @swillm3ister
      @swillm3ister Před 3 lety +3

      @@harleylawdude I imagine it would have been quite a life changing event. I wonder if he remained in that role after the ordeal.

  • @thormusique
    @thormusique Před 3 lety +2

    I really love your videos! If you ever decide to make longer ones, I for one would not be disappointed. Thanks!

    • @rapman5791
      @rapman5791 Před rokem

      The only problem with that is holding peoples attention. Most humans don’t have long attention spans and I believe the limit is around 10 minutes, according to studies. And that’s even on a subject that they are interested in.

  • @hogheadtb6489
    @hogheadtb6489 Před 3 lety +1

    I have always enjoyed your stories, thank you!

  • @roberthoffhines5419
    @roberthoffhines5419 Před 3 lety +67

    "Jiggling the pin with a hammer": Tonya Harding.

    • @tallboy2234
      @tallboy2234 Před 3 lety +2

      That’s Exactly!👌

    • @clearingbaffles
      @clearingbaffles Před 3 lety +5

      Tonya Harding’s favorite song to skate to
      “If I had a Hammer”

    • @Aiijuin
      @Aiijuin Před 3 lety +3

      Over 25 years later, and Tonya still gets the hammer jokes.

  • @patfontaine5917
    @patfontaine5917 Před 3 lety +6

    Thanks! I always enjoy your series of history that deserves to be remembered. What a great way to start my day!

  • @BFSilenceDogood
    @BFSilenceDogood Před 3 lety +1

    I love your episodes! Keep them coming!

  • @Lou.B
    @Lou.B Před rokem +4

    Great stuff, as always! Thank You!

  • @aehamilton7
    @aehamilton7 Před 3 lety +3

    Always bringing us great content. Thank you for this story. Keep up the good work.

  • @MikeJBeebe
    @MikeJBeebe Před 3 lety +9

    Sounds like a book I once read: "'Oops!' and other things you don't want to hear when nuclear weapons are involved"

  • @jeffcoan4038
    @jeffcoan4038 Před rokem +1

    I really enjoy your channel! Keep up the great research and work!

  • @tinasmith1391
    @tinasmith1391 Před 3 lety +1

    Thank you for a short trip back in time. Your presentation was excellent.

  • @topixfromthetropix1674
    @topixfromthetropix1674 Před 3 lety +17

    I was raised in Darlington, SC and heard the explosion. Our friends, the Hunts, lived on the property next to the Greggs. Their daughter, Susan, was also wounded in the mishap and had a permanent scar on her nose. The device lost at Tybee Island was never recovered and there were rumours of a Soviet sub in the area.

    • @kingboagart899
      @kingboagart899 Před 3 lety +6

      I understand that Mike Hunt was terribly violated.

    • @dickhitswater4836
      @dickhitswater4836 Před rokem +1

      @@kingboagart899 not nearly as bad as Buster Hymen

  • @christinep5524
    @christinep5524 Před 3 lety +38

    Well as long as Mitzi the kitten was okay...

    • @TheHistoryGuyChannel
      @TheHistoryGuyChannel  Před 3 lety +16

      Mitzy was luckier than the chickens...

    • @m1t2a1
      @m1t2a1 Před 3 lety +7

      @JZ's Best Friend I for one bow to our feline overlords, and have been doing so for fifty nine years.

    • @gwtpictgwtpict4214
      @gwtpictgwtpict4214 Před 3 lety +7

      @@TheHistoryGuyChannel And she got a free chicken dinner.

    • @robertthomas5906
      @robertthomas5906 Před 3 lety +2

      A few hours later Mitzi was right there wondering where dinner is. Hey, about dinner, where is it?

    • @elliegotfredson3712
      @elliegotfredson3712 Před 3 lety +1

      U feel bad for the chickens but the Baptist church was kinda funny!

  • @arthurharrison1345
    @arthurharrison1345 Před rokem +3

    As always, a great, informative presentation.

  • @thickwristmcfist3399
    @thickwristmcfist3399 Před 28 dny +1

    Love your stuff... Cant wait for the next one!

  • @wangbot47
    @wangbot47 Před 3 lety +7

    History Guy still just out here delivering content

  • @johnarizona3820
    @johnarizona3820 Před 3 lety +6

    Reg. the second one lost in Georgia: On Feb. 5, 1958, a B-47 bomber dropped a 7,000-pound nuclear bomb into the waters off Tybee Island, Ga., after it collided with another Air Force jet. Fifty years later, the bomb -- which has unknown quantities of radioactive material -- has never been found.

  • @RidinDirtyRollinBurnouts
    @RidinDirtyRollinBurnouts Před 3 lety +1

    Just found this channel and I am glad. I really enjoy the way this guy talks for some reason.

  • @johnatkins3017
    @johnatkins3017 Před 3 lety

    The narration was beautifully written. Thank you!

  • @lemmdus2119
    @lemmdus2119 Před 3 lety +25

    They never found the one they lost over Tibee Island. There was another incident over by Greensboro, NC were thankfully the third safety held or it would have exploded.

    • @TheHistoryGuyChannel
      @TheHistoryGuyChannel  Před 3 lety +17

      Goldsboro- talked about that accident in this episode: czcams.com/video/yIrSBmG46n8/video.html

    • @lemmdus2119
      @lemmdus2119 Před 3 lety +3

      @@TheHistoryGuyChannelThank you, sir. Love your daily history lessons.

    • @beegee7941
      @beegee7941 Před 3 lety +2

      @@TheHistoryGuyChannel It actually dropped outside the small town of Faro, NC. Which is not to far from Goldsboro.

    • @jaquigreenlees
      @jaquigreenlees Před 3 lety

      They "think" they found some of the wreckage from the nuclear bomb carrying plane that went down in Northern BC near South West Alaska but they aren't positive, nor did they ever find the bomb.

    • @jimclark6256
      @jimclark6256 Před 3 lety +1

      Goldsboro, NC, fly from Seymore Johnson AFB, I worked on the B-52 pad at that time and the security blanket was so tight we never heard about it. The crew never turned to the base. Talk about a lock down.

  • @KevinCGleason
    @KevinCGleason Před 3 lety +24

    Great how THG brings the actual people into his narratives.

  • @mrafitzy17
    @mrafitzy17 Před 3 lety

    Awesome episode history guy!

  • @michaelmichael8147
    @michaelmichael8147 Před 3 lety

    Wonderful channel, thanks.

  • @EtherDais
    @EtherDais Před 3 lety +9

    Love you TGH! Please consider covering the goldsboro broke arrow! 1961

    • @TheHistoryGuyChannel
      @TheHistoryGuyChannel  Před 3 lety +8

      czcams.com/video/yIrSBmG46n8/video.html

    • @Stew2130
      @Stew2130 Před 3 lety +3

      YES! If I remember correctly, one of the bombs was never recovered.

    • @EtherDais
      @EtherDais Před 3 lety +4

      @@TheHistoryGuyChannel awesome! Thank you. I was born in Goldsboro, so this means a lot.

  • @blancolirio
    @blancolirio Před 3 lety +13

    "Broken Arrow!"
    Thanks for posting! Juan.

    • @kurtkensson2059
      @kurtkensson2059 Před 3 lety

      Dang, Juan, you sure get around. I didn't expect to "see you here!"

  • @madmike6254
    @madmike6254 Před rokem

    I enjoyed hearing about this. Thanks for posting.

  • @jrasealexander5480
    @jrasealexander5480 Před rokem

    Fantastic content and engaging narration.👍

  • @joeharmon1122
    @joeharmon1122 Před 3 lety +3

    While teaching HS in Florence, SC, (about 5 miles away from Mars Bluff) a few years ago, I would take my students on an annual trip to "the hole" still left in the ground where the bomb hit. The hole is in the rear of a new subdivision now and can barely be seen (yes, there is a sign). It is still about 10 feet deep and 20 feet wide. It is filled with leaves and other forest debris now after so many years and surrounded by new tree growth. Still, it is an interesting trip for the kids to climb down into the hole for pics and the discussion of "what could have been" is always interesting.

  • @nedludd7622
    @nedludd7622 Před 3 lety +30

    The site Plainly Difficult has many reports on nuclear accidents.

  • @johntaylor-lo8qx
    @johntaylor-lo8qx Před 3 lety +2

    Omg!!!! This is history I've never heard of but we must remember!!! Ty History Guy and Wife. Amazing story here !!!

  • @hunting310
    @hunting310 Před 3 lety +10

    I don't know how I missed this video, but I'm glad I found it. Having graduated from Francis Marion University pretty much across the road from where this occurred this story means so much more. I am glad that you covered this little known unique story!

  • @kidmohair8151
    @kidmohair8151 Před 3 lety +16

    military euphemisms...."unscheduled bomb drop", "lost a device"

  • @michaelbajorek1972
    @michaelbajorek1972 Před 3 lety +3

    I had never heard this story. Knew about the tibie island incident. Thank you. Love your channel. Love history.

  • @frankgulla2335
    @frankgulla2335 Před 3 lety +8

    A terrific story with an amazing amount of details for a "top-secret" subject. Would be nice to do a summary of "broken arrow" events for the US and the world.

  • @sham421
    @sham421 Před 3 lety +13

    “jiggling with a hammer”
    I think that demonstrates a misunderstanding how hammers work.

    • @brianjones7660
      @brianjones7660 Před 3 lety

      It's only in recent years that hammers came with the all important instructional DVD....

  • @f3xpmartian
    @f3xpmartian Před 3 lety +11

    Seems like a sub-plot for “Dr. Stragelove”.
    “You’re gonna carry this nuke, and you’ll arm it in the air”
    ”To get to the bomb bay, first take off your parachute”.
    “Don’t worry about that safety pin over the top of the bomb”.
    “It’s a “device” not an atomic bomb”.
    But in reality…
    All the maintenance and safety procedures that have come down to us aircraft maintainers today is because of yesterday’s accidents and “WHOOPS”.

  • @shadowraith1
    @shadowraith1 Před 3 lety +7

    Always fascinating! I was 7 at the time. Living in N.J. No memory of this particular "cold war" incident. However I do remember an early memory of Nike missiles popping out of the ground in a field. Thanks for sharing. :)

  • @zabuk9
    @zabuk9 Před rokem

    Love your presentation.

  • @Chazlaird
    @Chazlaird Před 4 měsíci +2

    My Uncle was the commander of that B47. He never told me the true story, even though I was his nephew and a active Flight Instructor , but his son did. The third crewman responsible for securing the bomb during the pre landing checklist was too short to reach a panel in the bomb bay. He placed his duffel bag down and stood on it. They hit turbulence and he slipped off and he grabbed the panel and tripped the switches for dropping the bomb. My Uncle said no one’s career went any further and the farm house and other structures were rebuilt in two weeks

  • @jwenting
    @jwenting Před 3 lety +17

    The B-47 was, as pilots call it, "temperamental". IOW "a handful to fly", or as maintenance crews would say "a disaster waiting to happen".

    • @TheHistoryGuyChannel
      @TheHistoryGuyChannel  Před 3 lety +13

      It actually had a terrible service record that was a result of both aircraft and training issues. 10% of the airframes built were total losses due to accident.

    • @oahuhawaii2141
      @oahuhawaii2141 Před rokem

      Ten percent?! That's a very unstable platform to be delivering a nuclear bomb on an enemy. Any practice with live bombs poses a significant elevated threat of crashing with a bomb on friendly territory and spreading around its radioactive materials, such as plutonium, uranium, and polonium. I've read that bomber crews were told to crash on land instead of in water, if possible, because uranium is highly reactive with water.

    • @jwenting
      @jwenting Před rokem

      @@oahuhawaii2141 many of those accidents were in landing.
      Landing a B-47 wasn't really important on a nuclear bombing run as the bomber wasn't expected to make it home, or if it did it was expected that the base would no longer be there.

    • @oahuhawaii2141
      @oahuhawaii2141 Před rokem

      @@jwenting: Well, I hope they could've landed in East Asia, Alaska, Canada, Greenland, Western Europe, ...

    • @jwenting
      @jwenting Před rokem

      @@oahuhawaii2141 Nope, the missions would launch from the US (over the pole) and from the UK and Turkey, then fly over the USSR.
      Landing fields were designated in places like Pakistan but it was assumed few if any of them would make it that far, that most would either be shot down, be damaged and crash by being caught in their own nuclear blast radius, or simply run out of fuel.
      This was the era of one way missions.
      Later when the B-52 which its greater range entered service that changed, obviously, as those did have the range needed to return home.
      But there too very high combat losses were expected.

  • @thexalon
    @thexalon Před 3 lety +15

    See, they just needed a clear transmission like "We have 'uh-oh', over!"

  • @johnscanlon2598
    @johnscanlon2598 Před rokem +1

    Man got a new phone and account I completely forgot about this channel , so glad I just randomly clicked this always enjoyed this show !!!

  • @sarahstrong7174
    @sarahstrong7174 Před rokem

    Thankyou for sharing.

  • @bbt305
    @bbt305 Před 3 lety +14

    Best one in a long time. This one reminds me of the Palomares, Spain incident and the Canada incident.

    • @TheHistoryGuyChannel
      @TheHistoryGuyChannel  Před 3 lety +6

      Talked about Palomares here: czcams.com/video/yIrSBmG46n8/video.html

    • @natehill8069
      @natehill8069 Před 3 lety

      Dont forget the North Carolina incident or the Greenland incident.

  • @edschaller3727
    @edschaller3727 Před 3 lety +14

    I love the friendship between the crew and those accidentally bombed. Such friendships, even when previously enemies, are seemingly contradictory to what would be expected. Nobuo Fujita is probably the best example. How often does this happen and what other stories are there? The ability to overcome the inherit animosity of being at different ends of a bomb delivery gives me hope for humaity.

  • @brijstaker
    @brijstaker Před rokem

    Thanks Sir!!!! Incredible story👍🏻

  • @tigertiger1699
    @tigertiger1699 Před 3 lety +1

    You never disappoint 👍👍👍🙏

  • @motor-head
    @motor-head Před 3 lety +60

    After accidentally dropping a bomb on his property,
    the government didn't pay him enough to rebuild his house.
    There is a lesson there.

    • @Badger13x
      @Badger13x Před 3 lety +11

      As Ronald Reagan said the most terrifying nine words said are 'I'm from the government, and I'm here to help.' ”

    • @marks1638
      @marks1638 Před 3 lety +4

      US Government is famous for shorting compensation or not paying at all. My favorite is the current "John Q Patriot" home care commercials for former Nuclear Test Site workers. They make it sound like they're giving the workers medical care out of the goodness of their hearts. Actually it took many years and several class action lawsuits by afflicted and in many cases terminally ill Test Site workers to get that medical compensation program and they still got very little in financial compensation. I know several former workers here in Las Vegas who are still bitter about the whole lawsuit thing. They're proud of their service, but not the way they were treated when they got sick.

    • @MichaelSHartman
      @MichaelSHartman Před 3 lety +2

      Homes destroyed by dam building follow a similar path. The goverment will spend billions without a thought, but when it comes to compensation for damages they have done they become Scrooge.

    • @RoyCousins
      @RoyCousins Před 3 lety +1

      That gold braid is expensive...

    • @johnrogers9481
      @johnrogers9481 Před 3 lety

      Badger... Yeah, fug ronald reagan and republicans. Their aim was to get the people to distrust their government while they moved with defunding Medicare, food assistance and ending Social Security.!! The bad govt, here to help and giving all that money to poor Americans.! Keep the pesky government away from bothering those big corporations with regulations.! Eh.

  • @mattnicholson8781
    @mattnicholson8781 Před 3 lety +2

    I am still amazed at how anyone can possibly thumb down your videos.

  • @pedromeza2398
    @pedromeza2398 Před 3 lety +1

    Thank you for another very good class on our forgotten history.

  • @kathrynmasters6854
    @kathrynmasters6854 Před 3 lety +1

    btw...History Guy Our Brother.....Thank You for this post....and helping to ease the wounds that these ppl their relatives are still feeling the burn of.....it's easier to live with when none has swept such events...its victims under the rug. There are some events in history that should always be passed along