@arndur Get a Technics Overhang Gauge or measure 52 mm from the rear rubber washer (the edge closets to the plug) to the stylus tip. Make sure the cart is PERFECTLY straight in the headshell. You're done. That's it. Make sure you are tracking the M97xE at 1.25 grams at the stylus tip. If you use the stabilizer brush, that will mean setting the tracking force to a total of 1.75 and setting the anti-skate to 1.25. If you run with the brush up all the time, set the tracking force to 1.25. :) JC
@Threemicsrecords Lots of IDG could be an indication that the stylus is worn. Using the adapter shouldn't cause too much trouble as long as the arm can handle the extra height. :) JC
terrific explanation of cartridge set up. I was trying the protractor on my SL-D2 and it was very frustrating. I will be acquiring a SL-1200 with the jig in the coming months, but for now I will try the 52mm measurements.
Thank you very much for showing, and emphasizing, that you turn the 'Indicator' knob after you zero the tone arm out! That's exactly what I was wondering about and wanted to know! I didn't know you could turn the gauge knob independently of the counterweight, which was why I was confused about why people would still only go to exactly "1.5 grams" Thanks very much for your detailed explanations!
You're welcome... don't forget to LIKE, SHARE and SUBSCRIBE! Tell all your friends about this channel. I appreciate you being part of the TechErtainment community! :)
With regards to adjusting tonearm height a key thing to keep in mind is that records are different thicknesses so you could get it perfect on 1 record and then go to play another and it'll be off slightly. For this reason you're only ever going to get it approximate and personally I wouldn't add an extra mat to raise the record up if it was that far out I would adjust the tonearm height.
Thank you very much for your great help!! .... I know now what I was doing wrong with my new Audio Technica AT-LP120 turntable needle set up. Thanks again and greetings from Albury NSW in Australia. Eddie---
Rob, JC and I used to partner with video's on this channel a while back but he is not affiliated or associated with this channel anymore. He and I are still very close friends but his focus is now on his channel. Scotty D
Bless You J.C. for making this video, this contains the info I have needed to learn for years, but wasn't really sure where to look. Well, done, I proclaim this video to be the official "Turntable Setup For Dummies." video.
I'll look around for the Technics Gauge. In the meantime I set the cartridge at 52mm. Sounds good! I previously had it at 50mm according to the protractor. Thanks for the help!
@The1970sInfatuate Yes. Turntables are designed to give approximatively the right amount when set that way. Tyhe only way to fine tune it is with a test record and an oscilascope. There is a method where you use a blank record and set the anti-scate by watching that the tone arm does not move either way but it inaccurate and usually results in way too much force on the dial. Therefore, the 'same as' rule is the best way to go. :) JC
Ortofon makes the S arm cartridge replacement easy as it eliminates one of the adjustment steps I am using a DJ S on an Ion ITTusb and the results are good. I have never been sure that I had the downward force just right the video is well done. I am going to re check my setup based on the video. Thanks and a second "Well Done"
Nice video. Thank you! One comment: Anti-Skate is actually the force that counters the natural tendency of the tonearm to move inwards, not off the turntable. Contrary to the common belief, it is not the centrifugal force that makes the tonearm want to fly off the turn table, it's the offset angle of the headshell, together with the friction of the stylus with the grooves that causes the opposite - a force that pulls the tonearm inwards. Anti-skate counteracts that force. Cheers Tom
@nemru Thanks! I have touched on compliance in the past but finding hard and fast information to share is a bit difficult. Most of the cartridges (MM) being sold today are just about the same in that area. I have not had much interest in MC carts from viewers so I really haven't talked about them. MC tends to be more compliant and needs a low mass arm. :) JC
There's a lot of good info here, but just one nitpick regarding stylus pressure. There is no universal pressure for a particular cartridge brand or stylus profile. Stylus pressure is mostly dependent on the compliance and tip mass of a particular cartridge and of course it varies considerably from model to model. It's best to follow what's recommended by the manufacturer for that model. Best results and optimal tracking are usually obtained in the top half of the manufacturer's recommended range. A good test record such as the Shure ERA is a great tool if you can get one. Arm mass, bearing friction and record type can also influence optimal tracking force but if you're in the top half of the manufacturers recommended range you're in the ball park.
@MagnusVideos Yes. There are a couple of good one's on the market. You really need a scope to get the most from them and I find that a bit over the top for the average home user. However, I remember my days in radio and the engineers never setup a new turntable without getting the test record out to fine tune everything. :) JC
@wings19fan The proper tracking force for the DJ S is 3 grams. Ortofon is one of the few companies that actually specifically lists a recommended tracking force. Integrated carts are great as long as you know you have a Technics compatable tone arm. Yours is for sure. :) JC
Hi, thank you very much for the video. It's very clear and specific about how to setup a turnable. (by the way, what's the name of the tool that you using for the cartdrige's alignment. I don't have clear that point) I'll keep in mind your advices. Regards from Chile!!
@Paspiedreamcast Don't worry... It's really very simple and once you've done it a few times you don't even think about it anymore. Besides, the DD33 doesn't require any setup... Just stick a cart on the tone arm and start playing records. :) JC
Hey JC thanks for your videos. I have been trying to properly align my Shure M97XE on my Audio Technica LP 120 and I think I've got it right, now. However I still hear some scratchy "S" occasionally. I used the Shure protractor to align, but I was wondering if you happened to know the overhang in mm for my tomearm. I believe in one of your videos you mentioned to have both the AT LP 120 & the 97XE. Useful tips on optimizing the setup would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Better to check anti-skate dynamically by pacing the stylus on a groove-less record or CD and watch the tonearm. Adjust anti-skate as needed to stop the needle from moving in or out. Then you have the actual neutralized position...The dial numbers are rarely exact. But testing dynamically will give the actual in-use position.
Hi JC, I did not know that you had this channel also, i just discovered it. And of course i subbed..I am already a subscriber of your other channel, "badeditpro" and like all your videos, very informative. Best regards Rob
Wish I watched this 5 minutes ago lol I just bounced my needle so many times trying to adjust it.... how do you know if it's messed up. this is My first TT ever
Hello! i have a technical question (i have an mk5): when i put my tonearm in the middle of the plate to balance it, it stays in place. when i put the tonearm away from the center of the plate to balance it, it keeps on going back to its base, it doesn't stay in place! what does it mean? (the anti-skate is set to 0). Thank you
Cool turntable. How is the torque on that? Have you tried it for any type of DJing and queuing Beats? I'm just wondering how strong the motor is because that is exactly what I like doing and I sold my Technics a long time ago. I keep seeing all these really nice turntables like that one and I wonder if they can pull it off or not. I don't need amazing torque but just something with really good torque will do
@BadEditPro You're right, it is 49mm for the overhang. Quick question, I aligned my cartridge before setting the right tracking force, is that going to be a problem while playing records?
I have been told the Audio-Technica LP120 USB Turntable's stylus to headshell tail distance is 53mm, not 52, since the overhang is 16mm, not 15mm as is the Technics.
I just got a Candle JS9163. It works great but it's playing the records a little too fast, so the sound/pitch is a little bit higher than it should be. How can this be fixed? Thanks!
I have the Technics tool and I have an Audio-Technica ATLP120. I've tried aligning on the protractors and I can't get it right at all. So I decided to use the tool. I'm having just as much trouble. I'm trying to get the stylus to be right over that small triangle on the tool, but I can't really tell if it is. Also, according to the tool my cartridge is supposed to be turned in the opposite direction of the record.
I have a question about aligning a cartridge. I have a Pioneer Pl-15DII and it has a lever that reads stylus position, and I believe is to align the cartridge. If I use the stylus position tool on the Pl-15DII to align a cartridge, can I use that already aligned cartridge on a Pioneer Pl-200?
My friend gave me some old Sonus phono cartridge (PME .5/LC) with Nude "Line Contact" Elliptical Diamond Stylus Configuration (Sounds like fun :D) and I have to say it sounds nice but IGD are pain in the neck even though I used protractor and other methods. Maybe th eproblem is that I'm using p-mount to 1/2 adapter.
Hi I have a the same arm as the one in the video but for some reason it doesn't play to the end of the record. It stops about 1/2 inch from end of record and just repeats each line as it goes around and the arm won't move any further. Any ideas?
I thought there was something wrong with my turn table today, a 1979 Sony PS-T20, lucky it is direct drive otherwise if belt that would not of lasted 45 years. Turned out to be a big dust bunny. It was sliding across the record at the start, LoL.
The commentator forgot to mention azimuth alignment, that is looking at the front of the pickup the stylus point must be normal to the surface of the record.
I put the anti skating on the same as the tracking force and the record would play reaaaaally bad then I set it to twice that much. Meaning 3 exactly. The max antiskating my turntable can go and it played fine.. sadly when I tested it on a record with the lower antiskating it scratched epitaph by king crimson... Just so people know be careful with antiskating it can ruin your day. test it on a record you do not care about first.
Hi Scotty, hope you can help me. I have a BSR 35CS Mcdonald record changer, everything works great except when I want to turn it off, and slide the slider to Auto so that it should turn off, the tonearm goes to the resting place and right away goes back to play the record. It does not go down upon the resting stand so that it should turn off. It use to work great but may be I touched some setting, please let me know how to do this. Thanks in advance.
Arshad Haroon It means he was being a smart-arse because he had no idea. There is something missing, or broken, or mis-aligned under the chassis, probably a link or spring. Someone who is familiar with the mechanics of auto turntables would need to investigate and adjust or repair. At the same time they can make sure all the other adjustments are correct.
man, you were off on setting the counter weight to zero you had it at +2 and your tracking force was at 2.0 instead of 1.8! In order to properly set the anti-skate you either need a test record or an acrylic platter or something with no grooves. Setting it to the same as the tracking force is not always accurate. I've had instances where it was off by as much as 7 marks on the anti-skate dial!
The Stylis should be floating about a (1) millimeter above the record . then set your weight . Not just float around . Why be perfect on 1.8 if your arm is just floating and balancing like this guy says ?
@arndur Get a Technics Overhang Gauge or measure 52 mm from the rear rubber washer (the edge closets to the plug) to the stylus tip. Make sure the cart is PERFECTLY straight in the headshell. You're done. That's it. Make sure you are tracking the M97xE at 1.25 grams at the stylus tip. If you use the stabilizer brush, that will mean setting the tracking force to a total of 1.75 and setting the anti-skate to 1.25. If you run with the brush up all the time, set the tracking force to 1.25. :) JC
@Threemicsrecords Lots of IDG could be an indication that the stylus is worn. Using the adapter shouldn't cause too much trouble as long as the arm can handle the extra height. :) JC
the best of all the "how to" turntable videos on you tube.
terrific explanation of cartridge set up. I was trying the protractor on my SL-D2 and it was very frustrating. I will be acquiring a SL-1200 with the jig in the coming months, but for now I will try the 52mm measurements.
Thank you very much for showing, and emphasizing, that you turn the 'Indicator' knob after you zero the tone arm out! That's exactly what I was wondering about and wanted to know! I didn't know you could turn the gauge knob independently of the counterweight, which was why I was confused about why people would still only go to exactly "1.5 grams" Thanks very much for your detailed explanations!
You're welcome... don't forget to LIKE, SHARE and SUBSCRIBE! Tell all your friends about this channel. I appreciate you being part of the TechErtainment community! :)
Thanks for your video. Easy to understand. Helped me set up my Technics SL-3200 today.
Thanks so much! Received a new Denon DP300-F TT with Ortofon 2M Red Cart from Needle Doctor and this helps a lot.
There was an ad in the beginning showing someone putting something in a microwave and I thought it was the video. Lol.
Sorry... I can't control the incompetence of the CZcams algorithm that selects what ads are played. :)
Scotty D That's fine I thought it was funny.
You were just confusing records and compact discs.
Step 1 for CD's is: put in microwave.
You're welcome!
With regards to adjusting tonearm height a key thing to keep in mind is that records are different thicknesses so you could get it perfect on 1 record and then go to play another and it'll be off slightly. For this reason you're only ever going to get it approximate and personally I wouldn't add an extra mat to raise the record up if it was that far out I would adjust the tonearm height.
Thank you very much for your great help!! .... I know now what I was doing wrong with my new Audio Technica AT-LP120 turntable needle set up. Thanks again and greetings from Albury NSW in Australia. Eddie---
Wow, great tutorial, very useful. Thanks a lot.
Rob,
JC and I used to partner with video's on this channel a while back but he is not affiliated or associated with this channel anymore. He and I are still very close friends but his focus is now on his channel.
Scotty D
Bless You J.C. for making this video, this contains the info I have needed to learn for years, but wasn't really sure where to look.
Well, done, I proclaim this video to be the official "Turntable Setup For Dummies." video.
This was a very helpful video! Good and clear information! Thanx!
A good affordable cartridge with a spherical stylus I just came across is the Sumiko Oyster. The tracking force is between 1.25g - 2.5g.
Thank you! Very helpful!
Very articulate and clear information. Thank you.
Excellent video thanks for posting
@Paspiedreamcast It's not hard at all. Once you do it a couple of times you don't even think about anymore. :) JC
@MagnusVideos Thanks. I searched YT before posting this and I couldn't find any videos that really covered the subject well. :) JC
I'll look around for the Technics Gauge. In the meantime I set the cartridge at 52mm. Sounds good! I previously had it at 50mm according to the protractor. Thanks for the help!
It’s Joe Collins! I really like his Audio videos!
@The1970sInfatuate Yes. Turntables are designed to give approximatively the right amount when set that way. Tyhe only way to fine tune it is with a test record and an oscilascope. There is a method where you use a blank record and set the anti-scate by watching that the tone arm does not move either way but it inaccurate and usually results in way too much force on the dial. Therefore, the 'same as' rule is the best way to go. :) JC
Good work, feller. This helped a lot.
Very helpful. Thank you
Ortofon makes the S arm cartridge replacement easy as it eliminates one of the adjustment steps I am using a DJ S on an Ion ITTusb and the results are good. I have never been sure that I had the downward force just right the video is well done. I am going to re check my setup based on the video. Thanks and a second "Well Done"
@LennyTorment I think so... Every Pioneer with an 'S' shaped arm that I've seen has an overhang of 49 mm. :) JC
@SupraWes Thanks! I figured putting the turntable on a level surface would be pretty obvious... :) JC
thanks. allways learning!
Nice video. Thank you! One comment: Anti-Skate is actually the force that counters the natural tendency of the tonearm to move inwards, not off the turntable. Contrary to the common belief, it is not the centrifugal force that makes the tonearm want to fly off the turn table, it's the offset angle of the headshell, together with the friction of the stylus with the grooves that causes the opposite - a force that pulls the tonearm inwards. Anti-skate counteracts that force.
Cheers
Tom
Ty for sharing
Great video - much obliged.
@nemru Thanks! I have touched on compliance in the past but finding hard and fast information to share is a bit difficult. Most of the cartridges (MM) being sold today are just about the same in that area. I have not had much interest in MC carts from viewers so I really haven't talked about them. MC tends to be more compliant and needs a low mass arm. :) JC
Thanks! Very clear instructions.
Thanks... JC is awesome with Turntables!
There's a lot of good info here, but just one nitpick regarding stylus pressure. There is no universal pressure for a particular cartridge brand or stylus profile. Stylus pressure is mostly dependent on the compliance and tip mass of a particular cartridge and of course it varies considerably from model to model. It's best to follow what's recommended by the manufacturer for that model. Best results and optimal tracking are usually obtained in the top half of the manufacturer's recommended range. A good test record such as the Shure ERA is a great tool if you can get one. Arm mass, bearing friction and record type can also influence optimal tracking force but if you're in the top half of the manufacturers recommended range you're in the ball park.
@MagnusVideos Yes. There are a couple of good one's on the market. You really need a scope to get the most from them and I find that a bit over the top for the average home user. However, I remember my days in radio and the engineers never setup a new turntable without getting the test record out to fine tune everything. :) JC
great video.
thanks bro that helped me alot
The Overhang on a Sony turntable is 49mm also, just like the Pioneer.
@727JeffN Thank you! I agree it would be best to align before setting VTF but VTF is more important so it came first in the video... :) JC
@wings19fan The proper tracking force for the DJ S is 3 grams. Ortofon is one of the few companies that actually specifically lists a recommended tracking force. Integrated carts are great as long as you know you have a Technics compatable tone arm. Yours is for sure. :) JC
Hi, thank you very much for the video. It's very clear and specific about how to setup a turnable. (by the way, what's the name of the tool that you using for the cartdrige's alignment. I don't have clear that point) I'll keep in mind your advices. Regards from Chile!!
@legOldtimer Thank You! :) JC
@Paspiedreamcast Don't worry... It's really very simple and once you've done it a few times you don't even think about it anymore. Besides, the DD33 doesn't require any setup... Just stick a cart on the tone arm and start playing records. :) JC
Hey JC thanks for your videos. I have been trying to properly align my Shure M97XE on my Audio Technica LP 120 and I think I've got it right, now. However I still hear some scratchy "S" occasionally. I used the Shure protractor to align, but I was wondering if you happened to know the overhang in mm for my tomearm. I believe in one of your videos you mentioned to have both the AT LP 120 & the 97XE. Useful tips on optimizing the setup would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
@SlimeAmTheBest Thanks! It depends on the cartridge. :) JC
@clydesight Thank You! :) JC
Better to check anti-skate dynamically by pacing the stylus on a groove-less record or CD and watch the tonearm. Adjust anti-skate as needed to stop the needle from moving in or out. Then you have the actual neutralized position...The dial numbers are rarely exact. But testing dynamically will give the actual in-use position.
Hi JC,
I did not know that you had this channel also, i just discovered it.
And of course i subbed..I am already a subscriber of your other channel, "badeditpro" and like all your videos, very informative.
Best regards
Rob
Wish I watched this 5 minutes ago lol I just bounced my needle so many times trying to adjust it.... how do you know if it's messed up. this is My first TT ever
How does it float on it's own when there is a black bar under the tone arm that is basically keeping it at a level?
Any help with the lateral or torque weight found on some Pioneers? I have a 530 I'm working on and I moved everything for cleaning.
What was the tool called that you put the Headshell in and aligned the stylus?
thank you!
Very good video, especially for beginners.
Will promote the video by Twitter.
Thanks for posting.
Hello! i have a technical question (i have an mk5):
when i put my tonearm in the middle of the plate to balance it, it stays in place. when i put the tonearm away from the center of the plate to balance it, it keeps on going back to its base, it doesn't stay in place! what does it mean? (the anti-skate is set to 0).
Thank you
thanks for this
Perfect, thanks.
You are very welcome!
@BadEditPro It's called the "Technics Overhang Gauge." I hope it will just be easy enough to measure 52mm with a set of calipers.
Oh i did not know that,
but i liked the video anyways and subbed to your channel.
Thank you
@vinyl12s Thanks Phil! :) JC
Excellent video. Your instructions were very clear and easy to understand.
Cool turntable. How is the torque on that? Have you tried it for any type of DJing and queuing Beats? I'm just wondering how strong the motor is because that is exactly what I like doing and I sold my Technics a long time ago. I keep seeing all these really nice turntables like that one and I wonder if they can pull it off or not. I don't need amazing torque but just something with really good torque will do
Good video, the only other thing I would suggest is leveling the turntable itself.
That comes with the particular turntable model, specialy technics.
@BadEditPro You're right, it is 49mm for the overhang.
Quick question, I aligned my cartridge before setting the right tracking force, is that going to be a problem while playing records?
I have been told the Audio-Technica LP120 USB Turntable's stylus to headshell tail distance is 53mm, not 52, since the overhang is 16mm, not 15mm as is the Technics.
@weasel2htm Thank You! :) JC
I just got a Candle JS9163. It works great but it's playing the records a little too fast, so the sound/pitch is a little bit higher than it should be. How can this be fixed? Thanks!
@arndur You should be good to go now. :) JC
I have the Technics tool and I have an Audio-Technica ATLP120. I've tried aligning on the protractors and I can't get it right at all. So I decided to use the tool. I'm having just as much trouble. I'm trying to get the stylus to be right over that small triangle on the tool, but I can't really tell if it is. Also, according to the tool my cartridge is supposed to be turned in the opposite direction of the record.
I have set it to 52mm and turned cartridge inward slightly to line up with Ortofon protractor
Are you supposed to always set the anti-skate equal to the vertical tracking force?
What about for a mitsubishi DP-40? I just got it and it and it either plays records really fast or really slow...
JC i need your help ty
@The1970sInfatuate Try Needle Doctor or KABUSA. :) JC
I have a question about aligning a cartridge.
I have a Pioneer Pl-15DII and it has a lever that reads stylus position, and I believe is to align the cartridge. If I use the stylus position tool on the Pl-15DII to align a cartridge, can I use that already aligned cartridge on a Pioneer Pl-200?
My friend gave me some old Sonus phono cartridge (PME .5/LC) with Nude "Line Contact" Elliptical Diamond Stylus Configuration (Sounds like fun :D) and I have to say it sounds nice but IGD are pain in the neck even though I used protractor and other methods. Maybe th eproblem is that I'm using p-mount to 1/2 adapter.
i have an s-shaped tonearm on my kenwood kd-3070 turntable can i use the Technics Protactor?
Hi I have a the same arm as the one in the video but for some reason it doesn't play to the end of the record. It stops about 1/2 inch from end of record and just repeats each line as it goes around and the arm won't move any further. Any ideas?
@ZanzibarJose THANKS!!!
I thought there was something wrong with my turn table today, a 1979 Sony PS-T20, lucky it is direct drive otherwise if belt that would not of lasted 45 years.
Turned out to be a big dust bunny. It was sliding across the record at the start, LoL.
My turntable has a counterweight off the left side of the rear of the tonearm. What is that? (Anti-skate weight?) Sanyo TP 1010 is the deck
how much for that tools and what is call
Awesome mate ! Removalists dropped my TT and i was f----d ! Watched your video and " Joy and pain, like sunshine and rain "
The commentator forgot to mention azimuth alignment, that is looking at the front of the pickup the stylus point must be normal to the surface of the record.
Agreed. However, the majority of turntables do not require user-adjustment of azimuth.
where does one get that plastic alignment tool?
This accessory was supplied by Technics with the turntable
I put the anti skating on the same as the tracking force and the record would play reaaaaally bad then I set it to twice that much. Meaning 3 exactly. The max antiskating my turntable can go and it played fine.. sadly when I tested it on a record with the lower antiskating it scratched epitaph by king crimson... Just so people know be careful with antiskating it can ruin your day. test it on a record you do not care about first.
hi, i have no scale on the counter weight so what do i do ?
Philip Lockett same any advice?
Buy a digital scale for about 15 bucks showed in the video...
WOW, I haven't seen a GLi SL-2500 in quite some time. Those tonearms are not the too good but they will get the job done. Great video indeed though.
Hi Scotty, hope you can help me. I have a BSR 35CS Mcdonald record changer, everything works great except when I want to turn it off, and slide the slider to Auto so that it should turn off, the tonearm goes to the resting place and right away goes back to play the record. It does not go down upon the resting stand so that it should turn off. It use to work great but may be I touched some setting, please let me know how to do this.
Thanks in advance.
It sounds like one of the crossbeams has gone out askew on the treadle. I would reinstall all the drivers and then reboot.
Jeff Pittman What does that mean?, there is no software in such an old turntable,lol. I found it very funny, let me know what is going on.
Arshad Haroon
It means he was being a smart-arse because he had no idea. There is something missing, or broken, or mis-aligned under the chassis, probably a link or spring. Someone who is familiar with the mechanics of auto turntables would need to investigate and adjust or repair. At the same time they can make sure all the other adjustments are correct.
+Muhammad Arshad Qureshi It is only a matter of cleaning and lubricating the levers under the chassis, the ones that linked to the central cam gear.
Thanks for your comments Moshe, lol, but you replied after almost a year.
Well, this is too much for me. I did not understand it, but i hope i can get my Technics turntable set up.
You kidding, right?!
Just set it to 8 grams. You'll be ok. ;)
You left out the procedure for taping a penny to the top of the tone arm ;)
I really feel like I just learned something
man, you were off on setting the counter weight to zero you had it at +2 and your tracking force was at 2.0 instead of 1.8! In order to properly set the anti-skate you either need a test record or an acrylic platter or something with no grooves. Setting it to the same as the tracking force is not always accurate. I've had instances where it was off by as much as 7 marks on the anti-skate dial!
Very true... good video.. I am a dj from the 80's and you talk all sense no filler..
The Stylis should be floating about a (1) millimeter above the record . then set your weight . Not just float around .
Why be perfect on 1.8 if your arm is just floating and balancing like this guy says ?
Its easy to set up a turntable when you get the hang of it.
The spinning platter is trying to throw the arm off the record, wrong Scotty, the opposite is true.
When measuring for balance - you forgot to take the plastic stylus guard off. You whole job is NOW WRONG.