How To Create Depth In Your Mix Using 4-Stage Reverb
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The Objective Mix (book - $5): theobjectivemix.com/
EQ and compression guide: www.dinosaurdogstudio.com/EQ
Ultimate Mixing Checklist: www.dinosaurdogstudio.com/checklist
The A/B was noticeable. I’ve been struggling with understanding reverb for depth purposes. This is an incredible strategy
Thanks for the comment and watching. This was definitely a game-changer for me too when I learned this in my own mixes.
I could tell a HUGE difference!! This was phenomenal ❤️
Thank you! Glad you found it helpful. Let me know if there are any other topics you'd like me to cover. :)
Wow. Best video on depth with reverb.!! Ty🙏
Thank you!! Also, thanks for watching.
This is an amazing tutorial - well done!
Thanks for watching!
Your channel will grow! Nice stuff! Just hit the subscribe button and ready to dive in all your content!
Thank you!! Hope that it's all helpful for you. Anything that you're interested in learning specifically?
Great tutorial! Thanks
Thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed it!
Great Tip, thanks!
No problem! Glad you found it helpful.
I had a bit of a hard time understanding this in your book, but this cleared it up. Your book was really helpful. Thanks
I appreciate this feedback on the book! Glad it was helpful and I'll try firming up this section to make it more clear.
This was such an amazing tip! Been struggling to understand this concept lately and you really cleared it up! Gonna try this in my current mix 😎 thanks man!
No problem! Glad I could help out and share something worth trying. Thanks for watching!
fantastic! thanks a lot
No problem! Thanks for watching.
Awesome. Bravo!
Thanks for watching!
Thank you 🙏🏻
You're very welcome! Thanks for watching. 🙂
Thank you so much bro 🙏
No problem! Hope you have fun with this technique. 👍
Superb
Thanks for watching!
Nice video.
Thank you, and thanks for watching!
Chris Lord Alge or CLA has a plugin called Epic that has 4 reverbs that send into 4 delays to get this depth as well. Thx for the video.
Thanks for watching!
I'm gonna build m one of these! Awesome! 🥰
Thanks for watching! Glad this was helpful for you.
@@dinosaurdogstudio Cool, just to say I'm kinda new to this production lark but liking a bit of lofi I wondered how and if could make the ambience, say ocean or rain et al, sound like it was coming though a window or from the end of a corridor and that the music part of the track was playing in the room and closer, as I say I'm new to this but as an experiment just to see what you could do and come up with,, I was wondering how to create different spaces within the mix as per above and I found your video, I thought to say, thanks buddy! Have a fun day! ;D
This is great! Thanks for sharing... Subscribed! Btw, do you use any EQ and/or Compression on the four Reverbs?
The second stage of the reverb plugin is an EQ, which I do use pretty heavily.
I generally don't use compression, as it can be dangerous at times in this application, but go for it if you want to experiment!
@@dinosaurdogstudio thanks for the reply. Appreciate it 😊
Brilliant f**ing tutorial mate, sorry for the expletive, but I really wanted to emphasise my gratitude.
Thanks! Appreciate this.
Amazing tip appreciate you sharing! What would the room reverb use here be for general use? Which instruments would be bussed to it/where in soundstage
Thanks for watching!
The room reverb here is used for any element that needs some extra "reverb wash" sound. For example if you want your lead guitar to have some obvious reverb effect without making it too different from the normal song's soundscape.
Mostly I use this reverb when I create additional effects like delays to add some smoothness to them and keep them from being too distracting.
This is real amazing. Can you talk more about the 4th reverb, the room?
The room is just used for additional "effect". If you want something that has more verb, but doesn't impact the perceived "closeness" - then you send more signal to the room.
That's a very interesting technique! Would the effect be the same if you set one reverb channel but send different amount of signal on it from the various tracks ?
No. This would not be the same effect. The "closeness" of each bus is determined by the settings of each reverb - the predelay, "distance" and early/late reflection balance.
Awesome explanation of this technique! One question: would there be any negative consequences to using the stock logic reverbs for the front/mid/back and then a more premium IR reverb for the room?
because this technique is so subtle - there isn't any downside in my book. Also, the logic pro stock verb is so flexible, I can get exactly what I want out of it than say the lustrous plates by slate digital - it doesn't have all the functionality that this does to really play with the reverb like I need to.
I will use more "premium" reverbs for the obvious effects in the mix rather than on the front/mid/back busses. And it'll save you some processing power as well using a native plugin for your DAW on the main busses.
All that said, I do generally use the "ultra" setting on the ChromaVerb to get the most from it.
@@dinosaurdogstudio Yea I noticed other verbs lack the detailed controls, plus this video provides the perfect settings for the desired effect. Good to know about the ultra setting, and thanks for the info!
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Thanks for commenting!
Hi! Sorry for being late to the party. Great info in this video! 👍I am wondering about the Distance knob. None of my reverbs have a Distance knob (mostly using Cubase stock reverbs). Do you know how to calculate the distance without a Distance knob?
It'll be the relative volume difference between the direct sound, early reflections and late reflections. Less difference= farther, less difference = closer.
@@dinosaurdogstudio Thankyou for clearing that up, ! I'll try it out in my DAW!
FX and Transitions, usually have reverb embodied in them, do you still bus them to the 4-Stage Reverb or do you do it to only the Instruments?
Great question. I will usually incorporate delays and other effects into the "room" reverb to blend them in the mix, unless I'm going for an obvious reverb sound, like an epic cathedral or something, then I'll just put 10% or so to the room and most to my reverb effect.
Thanks for this video, man! I just Subbed - what is that song about?
God Bless you!
_Caleb
Hey man, thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed the video! This is actually a cover song called "Springtime" originally performed by Chris Renzema. This version is not yet released, but should be in January or February in its final iteration.
In the others Reverb plugin, what would the "distance" parameter correspond to?
"Distance" controls the early and late-reflection balance. Some reverbs don't let you adjust this directly (but really depends on the plugin). The 2 balances that are critical to making something sound close/far is "Direct sound" to "early reflection" and "Early Reflection" to "Late Reflection". The bigger the first is to the second, the closer it will feel, and vice-versa for making it feel far. (Hopefully this makes sense?)
@@dinosaurdogstudio I don't think to understand very well
FabFilter Pro-R has a distance parameter for natural balance between the amount of early to late reflections
Can you use different types of reverb? Or has to be the same reverb the whole mix?
I use other types of reverbs in other areas of the mix. This should almost be inaudible, and I like using the same one because it provides some cohesiveness and makes everything sound more naturally "together" in the same space as if you're experiencing the song live. There are no hard and fast rules here though, so feel free to experiment.
Are you adjusting sends on any individual instruments with this method?
No, I do not.
I will when I'm using reverb as an effect, but not for this depth exercise.
@@dinosaurdogstudio makes sense, thanks!
Don't you have your early/late reflections reversed? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe objects further back in the room will have higher early reflections since they bounce off the wall sooner.
I suppose the reflections are also dependent on the space you're in - long hallway will have more early reflections in a big space, than a large concert hall where it takes longer to reflect off the walls.
But surely, if the question is how "close" something is, and you want to put a sound upfront, it's better to have late reflections - since the sound is further from the wall, right?
@@beetledust97 refer to this video as I explain how this works: czcams.com/video/jnQv1pYv5mw/video.htmlsi=_XRZ4IJvVDlpwXzr
Be careful to not confuse pre-delay (time between) and volume of the early reflections. You're right that the relative volume would be louder (but late reflections would also be louder) with objects that are farther away. The pre-delay is only time, which is correct (again, see the other comment for a full explanation)
Could it be better using total decay accordingly with the bpm value of the song ?
I always do this anyway. I usually use a 1/4 decay to start.
That said, this reverb is so subtle, that it isn't really that critical to time the decay to the song.
Well, you did make it sound more spacious, deeper and , interestingly, cleaner. But this song is kind of messy, in my noob opinion, I'd prefer to see how this works on few cleanly separated instruments, Steely Dan style. Oops, SD my fav band *blush*.
Thanks for watching! A lot of this material isn't the best - I'll admit. But it's really to show these techniques, not so much the material itself - although I can recognize that this can be distracting. I use this technique on almost all my mixes because it really does work on everything.
Excellent. Btw. reverb buses should be eq'd further to get better separation.
Excellent suggestion, thank you. These do have some EQ on them and damping which helps create additional separation, but feel free to have your own spin if you feel that's not enough.
how would you do the late/early reflections in valhalla vintageverb?
I wouldn't use valhalla for this application - this is what I refer to as the "utility reverb" and I would use valhalla for more stylistic effects.
@@dinosaurdogstudio my thing is the reverbs I use dont have both ER/LR knob and if they do it's just the early reflection knob they have. I mix in ableton so I'm not sure how this would translate to the native ableton reverb. What 3rd party reverb do you recommend then
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Here are a couple options that would work with the way I show it in the video:
- H-Reverb Hybrid Reverb (waves)
- FabFilter Pro-R Reverb Plug-in (Use the "distance parameter - this adjusts the ER/LR balance")
- Renaissance Reverb, also from waves (has a single fader for ER/LR balance, very similar to the logic pro stock reverb as in the video)
@@dinosaurdogstudio thanks bro luckily I have 2 of these already, sorry for the questions but can you make a video detailing why and when to use a "utility reverbs" vs a "stylistic reverb" and how to differentiate between the 2? Sorry if it seems like I'm asking a lot
How can i use delay with this technique?
I would use delay independent of this matrix. The matrix is purely designed to create depth, effects can be applied as normal outside of this. Unless I'm misunderstanding your question?
Why work the speed of light at the beginning if you’re trying to show others your technique
Thanks for watching! I assume people have some knowledge before I show the actual technique that is unique. This is equally showing people that this works as much as how to do the technique itself.
It's a hard balance between not boring people and still helping people.
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Thanks for watching
reverb on kick and bass NO!
I agree - don't be adding a plate with a 3 second delay!!
It's only early reflection reverb. It's basically inaudible in the mix.
In a live setting (aka, real life) does reverb not attach to low-end instruments?
It's natural for us to hear that reverb of the room. Even in a mix room, there is subtle reverb that is incredibly pleasing to the ear - yes, even on kick and bass.
I concur. Having some reverb to glue the sounds is a great thing to do. Just Early Reflections to blend the sounds.