BMW i4 Driver Assist Features Evaluated
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2022
- Mike gives an overview of the sensors on the exterior of the BMW i4 M50 and then hits the road to see how the driver assistance features perform.
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This guy is great. Bring him back more often. Straight up kind of guy
Seems like the type that would own that car. Or its ICE version.
Dealerships should try selling their cars like this. Oddly enough, I'd buy an i4 from this guy.
Salesman takes you for a test ride like this, super honest, points out what they do and don't like, highlights the features, chill conversation.
as munro converges toward a common approach to evaluating a car's adas abilities, i hope it includes an objective component that puts all cars through a standard set of driving situations and also includes a qualitative review, in which the munrovian explains how comfortable and safe they felt while driving on the car's highest adas level.
…and then gives it a “Doug Score”! 🤣
That sounds cute, except there was little objective in this video's review. More like a used car salesman in a suite pimping a car during a demo drive...
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You mean the out of spec hogback test where i4 challenged Tesla for the high score?
"Munrovian" - I love that neologism! =)
Excellent video. I love the critical appraisal, much more direct and objective than many other ‘journalistic’ presenters.
Humour and competence seem to be living happily together, at Munro. Very enjoyable episode.
I'm thrilled about all these BMW i4 videos! Keep them coming
Ahhh... the melodic sounds of a 70's Yamaha dirt bike in the forest. 😄
I bought one after watching Sandy's reviews. It's now my daily after years with the model 3, and I have no complaints about it. Works as intended. No silly business. The tech is also phenomenal. The road comfort and noise levels is another thing that messes with my head. I have a BMW m3 and you can feel everything including the speed. But with this one 80 feels like 50. Amazing job by BMW. Excited for the Neue Klasse EV's from them!
Thanks Mike. Enjoyed the drive demo of the driver assistance settings and features.
Glad you enjoyed it
We bought an i4 D40 for my wife's daily driver because of the drive-feel, the excellent dash and controls, and the very nice/clean/easy to see and use HUD.
damn it sandy, give us the 4680 teardown not BMW videos haha
Nah BMW i4 vids are awesome
4680 is too unimpressive, so they hope you just forget about it. ;-)
I wish you would focus more on the road view than on the driver. Not useful to understand how the car is performing lane centering, etc. if you focus on the driver
I have a slightly older version of this ADAS suite in a 2021 BMW iX3 since December and let me tell you it works wonderfully. Never warning me with phantom dangers (worst offender in my limited experience: Audi Q5 & A6). At the same time it did warn me several times in situations I would qualify myself as dangerous and requiring full driver’s attention. Also worth noting that the systems visibly improved with a Spring ‘22 software update. I bet the i4’s software will further improve too.
I4 and iX3 Adas Systems are identical in relative to hardware / Sensors … both from 2018, SW might be different, also depending on trim. The tested package appears to be the top trim, since it includes overtaking / lane changing. Would be interesting to compare i4 and iX, the latter is to my knowledge the only BMW with a SP 2021 Hardware Setup. SP = Service Pack. SP 2018 is older EQ4 Mobileye Processor, where as SP 2021 is current generation Mobileye EQ5 plus additional Intel and Infineon SOCs and MCU.
Mike, well done professional review.
Mike is a natural. Great video
Beautiful car
🤗👍THANKS MIKE AND ERIC …great review…. just wanna say that MIKE is “well suited “for this video 😁
And thanks to all the MUNRO TEAM behind scenes and the patrons as well 👏👏👏🤗😎😍😍😍
Great commentary!
Glad you think so!
Nice presentation.
Thanks for watching, Madeline!
Thanks, interesting to have the contrast with other vehicles. Hoping Honda gets theirs right
Good review. Thanx. Yes, often unclear exactly what the assisted status is. Great driving car. Car moves for braking, lane change etc a bit too abrupt. BMW could program slight phase in for smoothness. No reference in video to distance controls. Those were adjustable next to the speed adjust lever.
I don't recall seeing any mention in any of your reviews of how well the "headlight brightness sensor with on coming traffic" works at night. I've seen complaints about the sensor in some vehicles not reacting quickly enough and thus blinding the on coming traffic. Please consider evaluating that feature in your upcoming reviews. Also, I've seen some imo troubling videos where the Tesla is on a narrow road that has no center line marking with on coming traffic. The driver has to intervene in order to avoid running the on coming traffic off the road. Thanks for putting your reviews on video!
I like that shepherds tone as it's accelerating.
Heads-up display and max speed limiter are nice. Not being able to see screen is a huge negative.
Nice paint job!
Watching this after watching a Tesla drive with FSD through the city for 1 hour with 0 interruptions is like watching ads for Nokias new smart phone in 2010. Insane how far behind BMW are.
Apples and Oranges. FSD is a beta product which will stay L2. BMW has an upcoming L2+ system coming this year similar/superior than FSD and an L3 coming next year. Both also in Beta, but not publicly available for customers.
@@victorfrombcn please come back when you have watched this video.
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BMWs can maybe perhaps possibly change lanes while Teslas can drive for an hour through towns. BMW will never catch up to this.
Its always the same story. Tesla is miles ahead and other companies who are desperately trying to catch up, and when you mention how far ahead Tesla is you ALWAYS come back with "Apples and oranges". I am laughing.
@@victorfrombcn Good to know. Is the i4 equipped to accept and use an update to the L3 software? Thanks!
@@rbassdo No, the i4 won’t support L3. L3 requirements are very high in terms of computing power, sensor array and redundancy. That’s also the reason Tesla FSD will never be L3. There are strict ASIL requirements that Tesla will never meet, specially with the Tesla Vision only-camera setup on their Model 3s and Model Ys.
For BMW I expect the i7 and iX to be the first to support L3 driving.
@@PatrikSteal Thanks for the video. I’ve watched it fully. I’m still not impressed. The car has managed to switch lanes, stop a traffic lights, and join a highway with some support from the driver. However it’s all done in ideal conditions and without full responsibility. (L2). The car cannot guarantee at any moment that is capable independently of driving the vehicle and face any unexpected emergency situation. I know as well that Tesla Vision is incapable of distinguishing far away objects, and still confuses rain with some background trees. And what about foggy or rainy conditions? Or the max speed ? Those are situations where that system is heavily limited. I don’t want to fully dismiss it, because it’s great that Tesla makes it available to customers. However it’s no L3 and will never be. It’s impossible.
Haha that acceleration sound effect is so silly. Only legacy ICE manufacturers would think that's a good idea.
It can be turned off. Better than fart noises like Tesla does.
No a lot of people like me think it's a good idea even I do prefer EVs over ICEs.
@@SuperHumhum Those are silly game features, not something it's doing by default.
@@moreliberty1 As far as I know, the sounds are only in sport mode by default. Not in the normal mode. But everything is adjustable.
@@SuperHumhum Good to know it can be disabled. It's really embarrassing for a BEV to make such noise in the cabin.
The car noise seems fairly loud. Can you turn that "feature" off?
Yes
You can turn it off for $4.99 a month 😜
@@FeiraxIS350 You can also not choose to buy it
I truly hate the engine noise, absolutely makes no sense. The luxury of not having any engine sounds is futuristic and the evolution of car making.
Deactivate it then!
Until your passengers get nauseous after a sharp acceleration. Been there, done that. Not fun for them
Give this guy more airtime!
The reason they made it look like the ICE version is because they made it on a new shared platform on the same production line as the ICE version, so they share as many parts as possible.
Exactly. Lots of shared parts
Simply DELETE the gas car Design, LEAN Design the BEV w/ CLEAN SHEET Approach.
car would then be SAFER and more EFFICIENT & Lighter Weight.
@@markplott4820 why should they delete the BMW design? That would be utterly stupid. It looks like a BMW, it's easier and cheaper for BMW to produce ICE /EVs parallel on one production line. They did everything right.
@@computercrack Its not cheaper to run a mixed line. Look at the difference in margin on a maxed production line at Tesla. ROIC shows you have to bite the bullet and invest in your line if you want profitable company into the future: Tesla 22.74% - BMW 5.35%!
@@computercrack - BMW is too SLOW, too Short RANGE , too HEAVY and Really INEFFICIENT. thats why .
Everything Improves when you use GIGACASTINGS and Structural battery pack and even BETTER with Clyndrical Battery cells , both RIVIAN and LUCID use them.
even Better IF you can cast the WHOLE car body in a Gigacast.
for now we just have 3 part Underbody w/ 2 castings .
the Structural battery is like BRICKS , helps w/ Handeling and 50/50 weight .
The Driver Assist Features are standard BMW features, not specific to being an EV
I drive a new MS and found the “forced car noise” in the BMW car annoying . Hope they have an option to mute the engine noise. Also a yoke may provide better visibility of screens. The display was very busy and could cause information overload.
I believe the engine noise is a requirement from the federal government (NHTSA)
Of course you can deactivate the sound inside the car. Outside warning for pedestrians can't be deactivated but shouldn't be hear able inside.
@@zombiegun71 to the outside of the car is mandatory up to 25mph(?) or so…
but to the inside, that’s just pure garbage, hope you can turn that off.
@@bsl2501 ah, gotcha. Makes sense
BMW may be criticized for using a half-assed shared platform but they did the right thing, staying away from that joke of a yoke.
Great presenter and analysis. Thanks
Thanks for watching, Alton!
WOO WOO WOO !!!
Will you ever compare a comma 3 running openpilot to stock adas
Steering wheel is adjustable and can telescope up toward you..
Nice to see more faces that represent the size and talent at Monro & associates 👍🏼
Nice flipphone
Hi guys you need to see / Bjorn Nyland video as this area has not been ever coverd you need to see this .. about how head is enters and disappeared within a battery pack very very interesting Skoda e yaw/vw id5 overheating when fast charging 🤞🏽 hope you get to see and interview him as it’s area NOT coverd .. just trying to help you with as always great content x Kevin England 🏴
On the "new" matte paints and black-out trims, I remember when poor folks would paint their car with matte primer spray cans paint and cheap cars were all black with no chrome.
It is now a cool. fashion statment- or so they think.
Years later those poor folks started to add chrome trims to their cars. The wheel keeps turning.
"Trinocular!" Nice.
The icons are displayed in the HUD
I would of liked to see what it does if you put the signal on while there is a car beside you. I assume it would not wait, manuvere ahead or behind, and just crash ?
The car obviously wouldn't change the lane and wait for the other car to disappear. I don't think it would speed up or down to change the lane. So worst case you'll never change lane if the car doesn't disappear.
That sound is horrible, droning noise, wheel barring failure sounding noise… no thanks on this thing
Deactivate it then
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Can ADAS prevent one from falling down the cliff?.
That spaceship sound is great 👌
I am of the opposite opinion.
@@My_HandleIs_ i feel u
@@My_HandleIs_ Yeah it’s got a bit of hilarity to it as well
@@My_HandleIs_ You can turn it off. No problem. Than you have one of the qiutest car on the market. Not a wind engine noise beside your ear like Tesla for example.
Who makes the BMW ADAS chip? What third party makes the main ADAS system?
NVIDIA/Mobile eye or possibly Another.
ONE clue is BMW ADAS is LIMITED to certain streches of road where its pre mapped.
its is not a Generalized AI neural net like TESLA.
Guess any drive you avoid both jail and the hospital is a good one…
“Let’s see if I can stay out of the hospital or jail”. He should’ve hit the top of the car to hit peak car salesmanship 👨💼
Is this supposed to compete with TSLA FSD?
What happens when you tap the left indicator while the lane left if you is full of cars?
BMW drivers never use the indicators anyway 😂
12:38 what's that under the rear view mirror?
You need a standard set of test cases and edge cases. I would like to see apples to apples of good, the bad and ugly. This is WAY TOO SIMPLISTIC to compare these systems. Almost say, it has cruise control+. Not very insightful
TESLA tests for BEYOND 5 star crash safety and TESTS for edge cases that IIHS+ and NHTSA ignore. MODEL Y was built from the Ground up to be a 6 star car.
www.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Tesla-model-3-top-ADAS-ranking-China-1536x774.jpg
Please test the traffic jam mode
Uhh adaptive cruise control should be setup to maintain any cruising speed that one desires (with some minimum and Max). Being set at 86mph can be adjusted. Probably what the last tester used.
I've been able to use this driving assistant up to 210 kph in a German Autobahn. It works flawlessly.
Mike, great video. Is this a Tesla model s competitor? While it has a luxurious interior, I think it’s built on an ice frame so won’t have the range, charging speed, efficiency, etc of a Tesla or Lucid.
It actually is as efficient as a Model 3 with more range. Check Teslabjorn videos.
FYI, no need to hold blinker stalk for auto Lane change, just tap it
I like the comment by @silly stuff' to have a standardized ADAS test. Suggest something like the Out Of Spec Reviews hogback run as mentioned in another review. Should have subjective and objective components. Should also list all the sensors and have an estimated cos( as well. All this would be akin to the tests done by Consumer Reports. But, make them simple. Or, just get a "Sandy Score" 0 to 10!
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LOL makes engine noises. Really dumb for an electric car to make ICE noises.
No it's not. It's great to have acoustic feedback especially if your driving sporty. Tesla owners will not approve of course lol
How does it compare to similar driving aids in Tesla vehicles? Better or worse?
The grill reminds me of a vegetable grater. Not a good look to me.
Beavis: "He said ate ass!"
Yep Tesla yoke theres a reason for that when you choose to have a display in front of a wheel
Great video but there cost of the paint almost made me cry
Tesla charges $1500 for red paint. Did that make you howl?
That is nothing. Porsche paints a car in any colour of your choice, its like a 10.000$ option. Or colour of choice "plus" is 17-20thousand $ where Porsche develops a colour according to a sample colour you provide.
that fake engine noise seems really weird
Mike said that he had a problem with the steering blocking part of the gauges. Wouldn't a car like a BMW have a adjustable steering wheel? For an $83,000 car to have a fixed wheel seems cheap.
When he was driving, later on, he disengaged the "ADAS" to activate "Distance Driving". When he did, and edged out of his lane, the car chimed and a message said to "stay in his lane". Mike accepted this as a passive system as opposed to an active system. For me, as a driver, I would rather have the car keep itself in its lane, rather than hearing a "chime", (that sounds identical to other warnings), and then taking your eyes off the road long enough to read a message about what that chime was for. I give that feature a downgrade.
The car has a movable steering column 100%. He probably just likes the driving position that way although its not ideal for the line of sight to the instrument cluster
He said in the video he liked the steering position. He can change it but will get a less comfortable steering position.
@@computercrack Yes, that is what he said.
That bumper camera placement is crazy.
strictly for Parking assist , not for use when Driving like TESLA .
@@markplott4820 sure, but the likelihood of that camera getting hit while a valet is parking or damaged by pebbles on the freeway or other issues is pretty high in that location.
Maybe I’m wrong, it was just my initial reaction when I saw how exposed it is.
That stupid engine noise would do my head in - I hope there is an option to turn it off.
I really don't like the noises it makes 😖
Deactivate it then.
What are the warranty on vehicle components? Run it to an autocross trach that will shake out the bugs!
Food or thought.
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"Impressed" with it being north of $80k? Well allrighty then.
Munro is testing an at least 5 years old assistant drive plus system.
You can set the level of assistance from nothing, to warnings, to steering wheel vibrations and two levels of active steering wheel corrections.
Well, it's still more advanced than the one Tesla has.
@@SuperHumhum
Tesla can do much more but you’ll have to pay (dearly) for it.
@@Conservator. No they can't. Even if you pay. A Tesla can't start and stop automatically on traffic lights, engage the driving assistant automatically after a lane change, have a tolerance in speed limits (like add +6 on speed limits), show in how many miles a speed limit change appears. Tech wise, a Tesla has no radar which causes all sorts of problems (vision only was a huge mistake, hence the new ones are going back to radar systems), a Tesla has no capacitive steering wheel. Having to wiggle the steering wheel is ancient technology. Boy, I can go on and on.
@@SuperHumhum Search on CZcams for Tesla FSD beta and you’ll be surprised.
FSD beta is on a totally different level. It detects dogs, opening doors, crossing pedestrians even when they are temporarily hidden behind a car, etc etc.
(I’m not a Tesla fanboy but their FSD is miles ahead imo).
The BMW driving assistent can’t take a roundabout or drive in the small streets.
@@Conservator. FSD is not L3 and will never be, they lack the required safety features at hardware and software level . BMW is releasing a L3 system next year, on the other hand.
Maybe the collision warning setting is on a European scale. Traffic is so much tighter and quicker and people generally react faster, so I don’t think a setting like that would be universal between continents.
In my experience, the follow distance in mainland Europe is usually higher than in the US. There's a heck of a lot of rear end 'domino' collisions in the US due to so few people keeping a good follow distance. :)
Of course it should be the same worldwide really, a car can stop just as fast or slow on asphalt in the EU or US.
@@VoxelLoop I observed in the US, especially outside New York City is, is that people just won’t pay attention at all. I have seen crashes happen in slow Mo, one person changing lanes on a 5 Lane Highway without looking, the other person honking, and over what seems like a minute or two they slowly slowly crash into each other. I spent 12 years living in the Boston area, so I do have some experience, also driving in California in the Midwest. Let’s just say this: if you change lanes in the Midwest that way you’ll change lanes in Germany, France, or Italy, people will honk at you and have a heart attack. The “processor speed” it’s just so much lower, but that is fine, I don’t mind the relax driving, as long as people pay attention. Every place has its own style. When I go to Eataly with my car, I switch off collision detect all together, The wise I wouldn’t manage driving through a roundabout without slowing down traffic in general. After moving back to Europe after 12 years, it took me a month or so to reassess my clock speed and have more confidence and other drivers.
Homely front end. Admit it.
The screen looks out of place, like it's not well integrated. They just slap a screen on top of the dash.
Isn't speed limit control dangerous? If someone is going fast behind you and you need to accelerate to avoid the accident, you are limited to XX mph. Clicking a button isn't a "normal reaction" to this type of circumstance.
That’s exactly why BMW have a step down mode in the pedal to override any speed limit. It’s a safety feature.
"fast" miles per hour 😂👍
is it me or the car on the freeway does Honda noises?
I can't wait until you dissect an Ultium product or the LYRIQ
the ULTIUM battery is OUTDATED Pouch Li technology from the early Laptop era.
they are not advanced cells like 1865/2170 & 4680. with a PROVEN track record for SAFETY.
Here is an unbiased review of the BMW i4 from a Tesla owner - czcams.com/video/TkZeuEUougc/video.html
I like how this video spends 90% of the time focused on the one thing the video isn't about (the driver...)
With their fingers crossed behind their back they say they are committed to ZEV development.
The fake engine noise says it all.
People gonna be pissed when they see a BMW parked in an EV only parking 😂
Dash and wheel are messy. Too many things to look at meaning too many pcs to fix. Nice interior.
Looks like semi auto drive? Not what i have in mind
That piped in noise is horrible. Oh my gosh.
Seeing as how I've never been a BMW fan, my two criticisms are as follows - the grill is way to big and UGLY!! Why add ICE noise into a car that is supposed to be quiet? Keep your 80K+ and buy something else.
Grill looks great and sound can be deactivated. Nothing else to complain?
Because people like the sound. And because it helps passengers not getting sick due to sudden accelerations.
Do BMW drivers even know where the turn signals are?
I think this guy got the optional indicator fluid topped up. :)
Sorry, but the exactly same can be said about Tesla drivers too!
that front grill is ugly and the steering wheel looks like a UX nightmare
Fake engine noise is a no go!
Bmw with indicator stalk?! Must be a first! They never indicate :)
I hope that silly engine sound can be disabled!
Yes it can
Can you turn that noise off ? Or is this car only for knuckleheads?
Seems like off the top of his head he really missed the pricing of the options, by 3x ... Maybe some of his opinions would have been different throughout had he known?
It's interesting when people complain about Model 3 screen design not being integrated in the dash... Guys, really??? This BMW design just sucks!!!
Well in the M3 it really looks like an iPad stuck on the dash and in the wrong place at that. The BMW at least gives you information in freakin front of you, not near the passenger
@@computercrack Model 3 and Y are all about simplification. Speaking about integration, Mercedes did much better
@@lampiditesla it's not about simplification or at least only in a sense to be able to produce the cheapest car possible. Mercedes did also displays like that with no integration whatsoever. There are advantages and disadvantages to that approach. I do think it looks much better integrated, but visibility is better with the higher position
I’ve heard it called the Monkey-Butt Grill, but to me BMW’s current grill is more like a baboon’s backside. . .
Most folks get the whole primate / genus / species thing mixed up. Whatever one thinks it looks like there is ONE thing in common; it looks stupid.
annoying fake engine noise in the highway. I think the fake noise makes sense if one floors an EV otherwise, it sucks most of the time. wind/road noise also seems louder vs other EVs
The i4 has one of the most silent cabins of all EVs, together with the EQS from Mercedes.