Stop talking about war crimes, goddamit
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Man, you really kicked the hornet nest on your last video didn't you?
Al ja i dalje nmg da dobacim, šta ti znači ta reč ,,bošnjak"?
Iznad Večne Vatre u Sarajevu, piše jasno:
Srbi, Hrvati i Muslimani, nema nigde, Bošnjaci, to Bošnjak je isto zvanje kao što je za Ciganšture reč Rom-glupost, bošnjaci nisu nikad postojali, postojali su srbi, hrvati i poturice, muslimani i sva arapska bagra koju su dovukli protrklih godina 😊
A i btw, rekao si da nije religija problem, što je kenjanje, jeste, problem je, njihova islamska religija, očigledno u celoj evropi, a pogotovo u Svedskoj, Velikoj Britaniji(pogotovo u Londonu)i Nemackoj, gde je islam, nema mira, njihovo ucenje je takvo da se ispiraju njihovi mozgovi da mrze sve druge veroispovesti i stavove, neće se smiriti dok nas ne sjebu sve, samo pogledaj sta se desava u zemljama koje sam pomenuo, haraju i prave haos, kolju, pljačkaju i siluju, mir je nemoguć dok se ne sjebe trenutni islam, to su bre sve isprani mozgovi, sve, bolesnici, tu je problem, ...
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@@eliotvarda vidi se kome je ispran mozak samo mrznja iz tebe sipa jbo te Vucic
@@eliotvarda to Bosnjak je bilo zabranjeno zatirano svetosavsko pasce
If i can’t talk about war crimes how am i going to start casual conversation with old people
Lol thats a good one
Racism
that always works
Talk to your peer group and move forward. Don’t be like the previous generations stagnating or moving backwards. Frustrated and perpetually nostalgic. Is that who you wanna be? I know I don’t.
@@marijacvijic970he wasn’t being serious
@@2ndcomingofFritz I got it. I was just in a bad mood. I shouldn’t be reading comments when I’m angry or frustrated. I guess growing up with those types of people who can’t seem to get out of the past, I’m really tired of it, and of their attitudes.
Loved the examples from ww2.
My Serb family was saved from persecution by their muslim neighbors, who were in turn saved by my family on a different occasion
The power of kindness is not forgotten
As someone from ex-Yugoslav republic of Montenegro it amazes me how obscene the cycle of hatred is here. Every single horrid action in wars by one nationalist side is justified by bringing up the past deeds of the other. It's like no one here has any desire or courage to say ,,we ARE responsible for bad stuff, and we will make sure it never happens again". Instead it's just the ever repeating cycle of revenge. Hopefully 90s were the last time we've done this to each other but I'm not very optimistic
europe in general is the problem. its the only culture to have ever laid claim to the entire planet and ever spent more money on slaughtering everyone outside their countries than they spend on those within their countries.. monarchists have been messing things up for thousands of years now.
No, but your countries are depopulating so fast that you probably can't fight another war like that.
there is that and then there is even worse thing when any side is lying or exaggerating about it's own victim narrative which disrespects actual victims, but also leads into loop of each side trying to justify crimes or exaggerate victim narrative (be it deaths, or responsibilities for breaking peace deals, starting conflict etc.) I call this loop sometimes defensive nationalism. But it's also present since ww2 between ideologies, not just nations.
@@nonaligned293nations empires republics comunist countries.... They all do that
Mostly because there *usually* is someone whos more culpable than the rest
Most people don't like to admit when they mess up so why would a country like to admit to messing up ?
Especially since in this context "messing up" refers to horrendous crimes
@@josephboustany4852 Countries often have to accept victor's justice, but for people this can sometimes be harder pill to swallow. That's why you never know what's boiling underneath. If not for victor's justice after first ww, ww2 might have never happened. Which side is more culpable is decided by which side lost and who has the power to impose narratives.
My own ethnic background is Polish/Lithuanian. My grandparents had very little hostility towards Russians or Germans. Why? Polish nationalism was an aristocratic ideology that meant very little to working-class people trying to scratch out a living in an economically backward area. Now every member of the Democratic Party from every possible ethnicity wants to go to war with Russia? Why? The American middle class is heavily dependent on defense contracting and lobbying. Most Democratic Party activists have stock portfolios that include Raytheon and Lockheed. That second house in Bethesda Maryland might be easier to pay for if big weapons orders from Ukraine are rolling in every year. The Palestinians aren't buying American weapons. So their "self-determination" means less.
wtf? there is no american middle class. 80% of americas population is currently trying to not die from starvation and homelessness thanks to european corporations plundering every corner of society here. ffs, you all did the same to america that you did to china, except you used OUR military to steal the opium with then turned it into pills and massively overprescribed them to the tune of billions of dollars for euopean coffers...
@@rivendare3447 Zionist begone!
@@rivendare3447 Q.E.D. There's a powerful lobby for the Ukrainians and Israelis so they're freedom fighters. The Palestinians don't buy American weapons, so they get snide remarks. It's all about economics.
@@rivendare3447 child you’re in the comment section of a communist video. You people are so fragile yet ya go out of yalls way to feel offended.
@@rivendare3447 You should read about "Israelis" and their god given ethnost- I mean homeland.
Ethnic hatred is always about economics. The French and English hated each other when they were both superpowers fighting for hegemony. Now that they're both American vassal states chained into an economically unified Western Europe, they're basically New Jersey and New York.
can you explain how they are "vassal states" when they only take from america? how does europe exist without a production economy? how are europeans quality of life exponentially going up while americans are exponentially lowering? as far as im aware, europe still hasnt paid back any of the money it borrowed from america to rebuild with, and to this day, the american government sends 1500x more money to europe than it spends on its own populations well being...
Nah. Brits and French started to get along basically after Scotland went into union with England to form the UK, then the unification of Germany solidified that shift in bilateral relations.
The Franco-British spat started out as a feudal spat, as the conquest of Britain by a Norman prince meant the King of Britain (who can do as he pleases) was simultaneously the lord of Normandy (who was supposed to be loyal to France). That's the spark. Independent Scotland also gave France a proxy power to contest the English despite their inability to contest across the channel.
So, when Scotland was no longer independent, France lost their proxy, and when Germany rose, both France and Britain realized they had more to worry about together than they had beef with one another. This preceded the rise of America as a global superpower by almost a century.
Also, France throughout much of the American Golden age (1950s-70s) was very much the Eric Cartman of Western European nations. France does their own thing, to the chagrin of the Yanks. Especially so with De Gaulle.
So, no - your entire thesis is a gross misrepresentation of French foreign policy towards America. France does their own thing to the frequent chagrin of the Yanks and the Anglophone world. Yet France and the Anglos, along with the Germans and Poles, at least agree on one thing. Better to deal with each other's squabbling than concede to Moscow.
Clearly you've never heard of the Great Northeastern Hate Triangle
@@prfwrx2497 You are right in your last sentence but you don't ground it historically. Great Britain and Russia were allies against Napoleon and in general Russia was useful to the western ruling class as a bulwark of reaction after the French Revolution. But at some point, Russia became a threat to Western hegemony. Thus the Crimean War, where the French and British became allies. They've been on the same side since, first to turn back Imperial Germany, then Nazi Germany. Then they allied themselves with the United States against the Soviet Union and now against the Russian Federation. But since the 1840s the English and French have been friends. There is no ethnic hatred between them.
The Germans and Poles, on the other hand have a much more complex relationship. Even though they both share a certain amount of hostility towards Russia there continues to be a real ethnic hatred. Poles are more closely related to Russia (deny it all they want) and the Germans to England and France. Germans see Poles as inferior and partially Asiatic. Poles see Germans as jackbooted Prussian oppressors.
But it's still all about economics.
At some point, the United States government and the American ruling class decided the Germans were too soft. That's part of what the current expansion of NATO is about. The American ruling class no longer trusts soft, multicultural Germany, France and Britain. They want more belligerent allies like the Poles, the Ukrainians, the Baltics. So they blew up Germany's pipeline and forced the Germans to swallow it. The former Polish foreign minister was chortling about it on Twitter right after it happened.
In other words, the American ruling class is cultivating ethnic hatred in Eastern Europe because it's in their economic interests. It's the Balkans on an even larger scale. The Poles and the Baltics buy into it because it means American $$$ flowing into the country. The Germans are forced to swallow it because they're not really a sovereign country. There are no longer any more Luthers, Marxes, Bismarcks or Frederick the Greats coming out of that country. It's no longer a world historical nationality. Oddly enough they're channeling most of their impotent rage against the Palestinians. American white supremacists (who tend to support Israel) actually prefer the Poles to the Germans these days, largely because Germany is more friendly to immigrants. The Poles return the favor. They and the Ukrainians and Baltics see themselves as the vanguard of "Western" civilization and Russia. West Slavs have kind of become the new Nazis (even though no Frenchman, German or Englishman will ever see a Pole or Ukrainian as his equal).
@@saturationstation1446 A big part of the reason the USA is funding the war in Ukraine is to deindustrialize Germany. I'm not saying that ethnic hatred didn't exist before 2014, but the American ruling class is certainly exploiting it. The only real solution I think is Pan Slavism. Yugoslavia was a great Pan-Slavic state. What an accomplishment it was. Muslims, Western and Eastern Christians lived together in peace. The Western ruling class could not let that stand. It's always been the Nazi agenda to divide Slavs against one another before conquering them. Why do Slavs buy into it? It's also in Germany's interest to maintain good relations with Russia and Eastern Europe. None other than Bismarck said exactly that. Germany was destroyed as a world-historical power when the British and French pulled Russia away from it. The same thing is still going on. Schroeder had it right. That pipeline would have helped Germany and Europe. It couldn't stand. Everything else is a distraction.
pov: Israel
T R U E
"Hamas is using school as military base"
*The next day*
**Post a video of them making mosque and school as a military bases**
@@Adara787as real as the 40 beheaded burned babies
@@Adara787 Keep lying to yourself buddy, you watch too much western propaganda
rich from a serb
Remember, acceptance, metabolization and forgiveness.
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Forgiveness? NEVER!
Our religion teaches it. Perhaps yours can't be trusted?
@@letsdebate1179 I do not care what your religion teaches you.
@@tarik6990 your grandfather did, right before he converted to islam
They are basically the same people with different religions
B..but... muh different languages
@@BalkanOdyssey_ (literally the same language)
The wars were basically religious wars just as in Ukraine.
Croatians are Catholic Serbs and Bosnians are Muslim Serbs. Recently, I think tensions between those groups have decreased significantly. Many Serbians today support the Palestine side when they used to have different views previously. I don’t see why they can’t reunify in the future if people stop dividing so much and bringing up the past. But likely, republika srpska would be the first reunification if any take place.
@@AmericansElitethe war in Ukraine isn’t about religion, it’s about economics m8
it was all nonsense. we could have lived together and be a united nation, a sovereign state, taken seriously by the world, instead we chose to fight which tribe would control a few more kilometers in the balkans. none of the lost lives were worth it, the results speak for themselves - nobodys border is bigger, standard of living is bad, masses of people are leaving the countries, hate spread to the younger generations who now fight amongst themselves behind their screens,... Yugoslavia was not perfect, but it had a chance to be a starting ground for a good nation in the future. instead its most likely dead forever, with now 6-8 sates in its land, depending on who you ask (even this statement alone is ridiculous), none of them happy or truly independent. only winner in the whole story are the selfish politicians and the foreign inverstors. RIP
At least we got Yugo-rock
Potpuno se slažem.
No , we’re not gonna. As a Serb I fully understand why Croats and Albanians and Bosniaks keep talking about Serbian crimes. Their consequences still affect their daily reality and they have every right to keep talking about them. The problem is in how they use them to deny me the right to talk not only about war crimes in the latest war that were aimed at the Serbs, but also any political discussion regarding our shared history that stops short of outright apologizing for the fact that I exist and saying that anything they do to me and my people is justified because of our past sins . If I want to talk about how the fall of Yugoslavia was long in the making because of systemic mistakes in its construction and failure to address its many contradictions, often at the expense of my people, I’m a communochetnik seeking to wash my hands clean. If I wanna talk about how anti Serbian orientalism in Croat society was always and is currently used to foster support for right wing imperialist narratives now dominating it, or centuries of my people being oppressed by Albanian and Bosniak pashas who used us much like the Black people were used to give poor whites in the south someone to look down on so they’d be kept in check, or the contributions of other republics to the fall of Yugoslavia, or any number of other endlessly complex and critically important topics, I need to do my dose of prostrating and begging for forgiveness simply to be allowed a smug refusal of anything but Serbia taking the full blame because we’re evil power hungry maniacs coming from a genocidal people. Fannon spoke of how the process of othering works by expecting the Other to prove his humanity in order to deserve being treated as human, through essentially conceding to the prejudices the one they’re interacting with has about the Other’s group as a whole, to prove they’re not like the other Others. That’s what we do to each other. We Other each other and the solution isn’t to just stop talking because there are actual and crucial grievances on all sides that need to be resolved before we can stop doing this. Not talking about such things is precisely what caused Yugoslavia to break apart the way it did. We need to resolve the contradictions and not pretend they don’t exist. So they can keep talking about the horrible things we did to them and I will keep talking about the horrible things they did to us and WHY IT ALL HAPPENED until the contradictions are resolved, one way or the other, because I have no intention of conceding to being othered and I don’t expect them to do that either.
I can get behind that.. Well said. Cheers from Croatia
What about crimes of Albanians?
@@Dmitrij-nl3sc let's be honest, serbian crimes shadow the crimes of albanians, at least in the kosovo war, im not saying albanians are innocent though
I think the answer to what you say is in the end of the video, class consciousness.
the message of the video as far as I understood it is not to stop commemorating victims of war crimes but to stop using those crimes for fueling chauvinism (for example us Serbs saying about Jasenovac or Oluja look what those bloodthirsty genocidal Croats did to Serbs, and Croats and Bosniaks saying look what those genocidal Serbs did to us in Srebrenica, Vukovar or whatever) because chauvinism is what led to those crimes happening. Especially people like Vucic who during the 90s and 00s was spewing hatred out his ass by saying Serbs should execute 100 Muslims for every Serbian that gets killed (used by Nazis against Serbs in ww2 btw) and puting up signs "boulevard of Ratko Mladic" etc meanwhile oppressing Serbs and robbing the country as soon as he got to power (As a Serb I don't know much about Croat or Bosniak politicans but im assuming they are the same scum)
Watching tv in the balkans is like eating lead
"The ICC was designed for Africa and eastern Europe" USA
"Njihovi nacionalizmi i sovinizmi se hrane jedni drugima, nadopunjuju se i ne bi mogli postojati jedan bez drugog" odlicno receno! Ljudi nisu svjesni koliko zapravo nacionalisticki politicari iz sva tri tora sluze jedni drugima. U vjecnom prepucavanju o "nacionalnim interesima" se zaborave interesi obicnog covjeka, obicnog radnika.
Hvala ti za ovakav video, do sada nisam pronasla nekoga ko bolje analizira situaciju u BiH (i ostatku regije). Moram da kazem da marksisticka perspektiva lijeci nacionalisticku bolest koja je zahvatila nasu zemlju i mislim da nam nikada nije bila potrebnija nego sada.
Hvala ti, drago mi je da stvari vidimo istim ocima
What a fascinating video druže, i do hope that the workers of former Yugoslavia shall gain class consciousness
great video,glad to see you back
Thank you!
The people here need to understand that they have more in common then they have at odds. Yes, the crimes of the past will not open up the windows to the future, but I think it is important that these crimes are at least highlighted as actions which are wrong and did not achieve anything. There is so much potential here. Smart, educated people with great artistic and innovative skills and ideas.
You don't understand the problem problem are badly designed borders and when Croatia and Bosnia started to declare independence there was 2000000 Serbs that lived at historical land of Serbia and they wanted for their land to be part of Serbia and in Croatia there was lot of Nazis that wanted ethnically clean Croatia.
Great work comrade, and I mean that as sincerely as it is possible to mean it.
The often covered-up history of all these nationalist sentiments being coughed up by the ruling parasitic bureaucracies of each individual republic within the deformed workers' state to secure their material interests is a history that must be examined in great detailed and shown to everybody.
As a young communist from Croatia, I long to see the day when the hatred between all our peoples will be but a distant memory, and when we will stand united once again, this time, with the working class in power.
And as corny as this may sound... For a workers' Yugoslavia! For a Socialist World Federation!
You are media illiterate if you are comunist but have Gordon profile picture 😂
Slažem se
Just discovered your channel and really enjoy the content. I grew up around South Slavs in Canada in the 90s as a child when the Yugoslav Wars were going on and we had an influx of Serbs, Croats and Bosnians in my neighborhood. I grew up around these hatreds and was actually influenced by this early on in my childhood and id love if you did a video on Balkan emigre communities and nationalism as I often talk to visitors from the home countries and they see stuff like the Serbian Days celebration in my city etc and comment how nationalistic the fervor is in these communities that are disconnected from the modern reality of their countries. Great stuff!
Love that final bit.
This sentiment that you expressed in this video is something that I've personally thought about for quite awhile. I've always been interested in the history of Yugoslavia, and being that I am from Bosnia, it always baffled me how a country that was, at one point, so prosperous fell apart so quickly and so many people adopted ultra-nationalist sentiments. Hopefully people will be able to look beyond our blatantly minor differences and create a peaceful future for future generations. It all has to come down to educating people to view the world from a different perspective, to not view it as a "us vs. them" game, but instead to try and unite the people. Thank you for this video.
War crimes will be talked about forever, there is nothing you can do about it.
Dobar plan Tarik, nema sta. Jesce i tvoja i moja djeca kruha od te price.
@@BalkanOdyssey_ To nije poenta, od naivnost se moze umrijeti.
@@BalkanOdyssey_ Gotta take into consideration that as Bosniaks are smallest numerically and having suffered the most in recent war, not even having gained country for themselves, but the ones they have to share and with rising Serbian nationalism and Russian influence, being the westernmost Muslims etc, it's not exactly an ambience to feel secure and confident as a Bosniak and it doesn't help that the Serb leadership does not want to show a hand of friendship and close out the territorial pretensions but infact denies genocides and glorifies war criminals.
Psychologically and even morally Bosniaks have every right to keep mentioing war crimes, simply due to the genocidal politics of the 90s that wasn't completely cleaned out from Serbian modern nationalist ideology.
@@VigilantGuardian6750 Thank you for understanding, that's exactly my point. Serbs want Bosniaks to forget about war crimes, that's why we have to keep mentioning them and not only not forget them but not forgive them either as long as their irrendentist madness continues.
@@user-bn8xz8br2k Naravno da je narod kriv jer je narod birao te budale i kasnije presudene ratne zlocince.
Thank you!
The day when Serbs feel like Albanian victims, Croats like Serbian victims, and Bosnians like Croatian victims, then we have a guarantee that something like that will not happen again. This is how the wars of the 90s have the sole purpose of justifying militarization and "serving the people" under the banner of their bourgeoisie. Those victims should be mentioned as much as possible, but everyone must mention others.
Another great video!
Many Serbian friends of mine claim Tito to be a "Serbohater".
I've attempted to talk them out of it, but they are hardly convinced by a fellow rather than someone more well versed on such topics.
Would it be an idea to make a video on such topic on Socialist leaders and/or governments in regards to such 'hatred'?
I've already started a series on Serbs vs Yugoslavia, planning to cover each (at least major) people group and their experiences before, during and after the common state. This would include exactly what you've mentioned.
if you ask any right wing nationalist from former Yugo will tell you Tito is anti their nation
He is very similar to Lenin in that regard. You can argue motives, but Lenin's impact on ethnic Russians was devastating.
@@communist754 such as setting the stage for them to become more than just farming slaves for the elites?
Not only many Serbs are against Tito, but also many members of other nations of the former Yugoslavia. They became that, so to speak, overnight, something about that started in the show we were watching.
Why did it happen? Because at the end of the last century, two political directions won: nationalism and anti-communism. It is in accordance with the events in Europe and the world at that time. But some used it for unification (the Germans), while others broke their unity.
Every nation within Yugoslavia began to think and act in a selfish way. It was forgotten that the existence of a common state is possible only if there are some compromises. However, emphasizing his own interests led to the illusion that Tito was working against them all along. This is how we came to the absurd situation that in Croatia they say that Tito did everything in the interests of the Serbs, and in Serbia they say that Tito did everything in favor of Croatia and Slovenia. It is very difficult to imagine how Yugoslavia would survive then.
King Alexander applied the "three-named people" formula, insisting on a unitary conception. Marshal Tito applied the formula of "fraternity and unity" insisting on a federal concept. Both systems and both conceptions have failed the test of history. And both times in bloody confrontations.
Who is the winner? Certainly not one of the peoples of the southern Slavs. The winners are the surrounding empires and foreigners who (again) colonized all the Balkan peoples.
Thank you for this video. What is good is that in last decade more an more young peapole doesn't watch mainstream media and they are relaying on CZcams giving the possibility that one day they will find this video and open eyes, understand that same "elite" that couse war is still sitting in chair and enriching on our mutual hatred. It is shamed that there is no place for people's or vidios like this on every existing media. My honest respect for what you are doing on this chanel. Thank you
I could feel the af break coming when you started talking about news, but up until you mentioned the german program I assumed it was for ground news
Ah I tried my best
You ignore NATO, US/UK imperialism, the root cause. Amateur.
No?
The only war bigger than the actual one was the "interpretive" media war, afterwards.
very insightful
Jasenovac ćuti gleda u pod 🤦♂️
Ovo je trebalo biti odradjeno na jeziku balkanaca! Da svaki dvadeseti cuje ako ima i malo mozga mozda bi poceo malo drugacije da razmislja. Predobro objasnjeno! BRAVO!
U najmanju ruku je dostupan prevod. Na engleskom snimam da bude dostupno i ostatku svijeta i nasoj dijaspori. Hvala u svajom slucaju, drago mi je da je istavio dobar utisak!
@@BalkanOdyssey_ Samo nastavi na engleskom. Da je u Jugoslaviji engleski bio zvanični, možda nebi bilo rata. To bi ja i sad uradio. Sve balkanske nacije da uvedu engleski kao drugi zvanični jezik, i da se ujedine opet kad dođe vreme.
Surfshark will take the blame for the genocides
“War crime” is an oxymoron
More of a redundant term.
If you mean that war itself is a crime, then yes
as a turk here is a quote from atatürk; "Üzüntü verici geçmiş ebediyen kapanacaktır.
Artık aramızda savaş olmayacaktır." "(The saddening past will be closed for all eternity.
There will be no war between us anymore.)" the quote speaks for itself
That goes against quran the unbelivers always wage wars on muslims.
Funny hear that from him he was the one the finish up the ethnic cleansing of the the Greeks and Armenians started by the Ottoman empire. He has no room to talk. Not to mention the suppression of the Kurds, the only a large remaining minority in Turkey after The Young Turks were done with their "nation building" (make Anatolia which for its entire history is multi-ethnic Turkish, exclusively). He only wanted the doors shut so him and his cronies would never be punished for their crimes. So the three Pashas would get all the blame and everyone can ignore the fact that the genocide continued till 1924.
Who was Ataturk specifically referring to? Or was it a general statement about everyone the Turks fought against during their war of Independence?
@@johnxina5126 its what atatürk said after a 2 hour long radio interview with the Greek prime minister Venizelos he was mostly reffering to the greek nation but the quote can be used much more generally too with situations like these
Regardless of their political inclination, I doubt that the average European, barring the few friendly countries, would ever consider reconciliation with us Turks. I’m all for peaceful coexistence, forgiveness, understanding and all that don’t get me wrong. I’m just highly skeptical that it will ever apply to us. That being said I’m very much aware of my own bias here. I’ve personally had positive interactions with many Europeans, I’m just unsure of the majority opinion. So don’t be influenced by my pessimism !
It's sadly ironic that mouth breathing nationalists have found their way in the comments propagating more hatred.
This video is not at all about marginalizing or forgetting the horrors inflicted upon each other, but, for the sake of future generations, to make a sustained effort to find whatever solidarity we can with the hope of acquiring peace, progress, and prosperity for all.
Watching it again and internalizing the message.
For the algorithm, comrade!
I'm sorry, I don't have anything I can add to the conversation otherwise, other than to say I appreciate it and hope that more people see this video.
One more excellent video
Thank you for making this video. This whole thing has been making me seriously depressed, they dare go back 30 years shouting genocide. Now when there’s an actual genocide and a possibility of a whole group of people disappearing completely. It’s a huge difference because we didn’t completely disappear. None of us did. Also, the reason I am typing in English is because it’s easier, I left the pumpkins when I was 12 and not by choice so that is when I stopped learning the native language whatever you wanna call it.
I am dead serious when I say that we should have English as an official language in all countries in the Balkans. If we could all speak the same language, I am convinced that any potential union would have fared much better than Yugoslavia did.
@@julius43461 Sure, let’s go with that, but why should it be English? But out of curiosity, what was it about Yugoslavia that didn’t work well in your opinion? I’m asking out of genuine curiosity because I’m a sociologist, but most importantly because I was born in Yugoslavia, so hopefully you can understand why I’m curious to know not just your opinion but anyone else’s who wants to chime in. I am attempting to learn more about it from all sides
@@marijacvijic970 Why English? That's easy, because it's already everywhere, it's international, many people in the Balkans are already decent(not great) speakers, and it's the closest thing we have to a neutral, but ubiquitous language in this region. I am of the opinion that entire Europe should have done this a long time ago. Heck, if things didn't change much, English was already on its way to becoming a language that everyone in Europe speaks, except the French I guess.
Language is a huge deal in nation building. Just look at Turkey and how it's citizens consider Azeris and central Asians to be their kin, even though they are completely different genetically. Of course religion is just as important if not more, but it's a start.
Now, as to why Yugoslavia broke apart, I am not totally sure. I am in general not very optimistic about nations that lack the dominant culture that everyone else can assimilate to. I feel like they are just strong alliances that can break when the real crisis hits. When economy is good, everything is fine and dandy, but when things go south people become tribal and start pointing fingers.
People like to say that Russia is very multicultural, but still survives as a nation. I would disagree, they are not that multicultural. Sure they have hundreds of small cultures scattered across the nation, but their biggest minority are Tatars at 4%, and they have a clear strong majority of 80%, so they can't really balkanize any further.
IMO the only way to unite any lands is to erase the existing culture, or at least to subdue it and make it barely significant. Kind of how Dalmatians have their own slightly different culture, but they are still Croats(with some Serbs) first and foremost.
This is a tough pill to swallow for many people, even though it is painfully obvious from history that all great nations have emerged by erasing whatever tribes or cultures inhabited the lands prior, and replaced it with something else. Small regional differences can survive, but the national lore has to be stronger than those regional differences or else the nation is a ticking time bomb.
Now, to people who are attached to their small states of today. Guess what, you are already going extinct, and there is no way these nations will survive for too long when there are much bigger fish in the pond that can colonize and absorb us without too much trouble. Not to mention that we are all being assimilated into this global culture anyway, so I think it's a perfect time to relegate our old nations to something less, and build a new state that can have a voice in the global or at last regional stage.
Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I see it right now. We do not want to be a small fish when there are behemoths like China asserting themselves in this region more and more.
Martyrdom is a component of every nationalism.
“We were massacred; thus we had to rise and commit massacres ourselves”.
For the serbs and the croats it´s step 1: “That´s why we had to…”.
But the muslims… for the pan-islamistic movement is martyrdom the core of the identity.
- Who are we?
- Muslims!
- What kind of muslims!
- Well… shia, sunni, waha…
- No! What do we have in common?
- They want to massacre us!
- Exactly!
When pan-islamists want to stir commotion they poke Israel, that overreacts and takes it out on the Palestinians.
Then goes: “You see? Massacre…”.
I´m amazed over the cynicism of sacrificing the ones that they claim to protect.
Martyrdom is the very core of the identity. There must be massacres from time to time. If there are none, there must be talks about massacres.
What if they admit it?
Then we´ll step it up and ask them to admit genocides.
They won´t? Good, that keeps the polarization going.
Our “sheep” to exploit remain on our corral.
Thanks 👍.
I just noticed a post I'm 100% sure didn't wrote...
Unfortunately, although powerfulminded while attending school, my capabilities significantly decreased...
Can't use VPN.
TOO difficult 😢...
Even tho Slovenia was spared most of the horrors of 90s, nevertheless Slovene society is still deeply divided due to civil war fought between pro-communist/anti-german and pro-german/anti-communist by the end of ww2. Whats a bit morbid is that whenever so often a mass grave is excavated, the right claim it as another proof of how partisans mass murdered Slovenes, even tho most of those killed in those graves were Croat and Serb nazi collaborators that were returned by the British so they can meet their fair judgment....
Advocating for an international proletariat in 2024 is insane
Kad neznamo kako da pamptimo bolje da zaboravimo
Razumijem starije ljude koji su prošli kroz rat pa je glavni dio njihovog života bilo to što su doživili u ratu, ali nerazumijem ovu dicu i mangupe od 14 do 18 godina što su uživljeni u taj rat kao da su se oni borili, patili i bili neke junačine, kao da su oni bili tamo i onda izvode sranja svako mlao kad izađu iz kuće.
I just miss Yugoslavia man…
I've heard this from a friend.
In WW2, some Ustase and Chetniks became friends over toilet paper.
Lmfao wtf
really good docu! great work.
Hey man how often do you check the fan mail? Theres really not alot of other places to contact you
Christ is Lord
Your thesis that the hatred had to be created 26:00 is false. It was always there and it was passed down from the parents to the children. One thing that you don't know is that Bosnians were not allowed to be Bosnians on paper. They had to pick between Croat, Serb Yugoslavian. Or they had to call them self "undeclared" or after 1970 "Muslims" was created as an ethnicity choice. That is why Sarajevo ended up being the largest Yugoslavian population.
Just like the outcome depends on the circumstances, our complacency lead us here. In fact, most people want this, this nationalism and rememberance. but, as the good song says... ...nema, zivota od sjecanja!
i see your point, but if 1 of the three sides were to 'forget' and 'stop', other sides would still keep doing the same thing.
As for the 'we cant live together anymore' I think that we could have, if only there was no ideas of 'Velika Srbija' and nationalism, Aswell as oppressing other people, like Albanians. I have a similar stance that Alija Izetbegovic had: 'I love Yugoslavia, but not its government.'
Arkan's involvement in the 90s wars are interesting, to say the least, when you take into account that he was a ward of Stane Dolanc, and was somewhat of a spy for UDBA back in the 70s. Really says a lot about the corruption of the political elites and how they gradually betrayed Yugoslav ideals which inevitably led to the downfall of their society and economy; and ultimately the demise of the country.
Would love to hear your thoughts on the movie "pretty village pretty flame" (Лепа села лепо горе). I watched it recently and enjoyed it, but was curious what the balkan perspective on it may be.
The older guy who crashes the truck into the Muslims to the sound of Uz Maršala Tita is the same guy who played Walter in Walter Defends Sarajevo. He's a Serb but in Walter Defends Sarajevo we never find out what religion he was, even though he guns down dozens of Nazis from the Sarajevo clocktower (complete with Turkish numerals). In the 1970s it was everybody against the Nazis. In the 1990s it's everybody against everybody.
At the state level, crimes are discussed for several reasons, but most often one-sidedly. The first, of course, is the homogenization and control of the nation, which is most easily achieved through the role of victim and fear.
On a human level, we have somewhat come to terms with the crimes, but propaganda always makes sure that real reconciliation never happens. Propaganda either increases or decreases crimes, they look for justifications and thus we arrive at irreconcilable differences where nothing can be said with certainty anymore. Of course, this is based on mass psychology where "our" victims will always be more important and greater than "yours" and where we are always on the right side of history. The voice of reason thus becomes just one in a series of different voices and can no longer be distinguished.
Read Umberto Ecco's short essay on "Ur-Fascism" and it will become clearer to you how and why you are being manipulated...
You referenced imperialism from East and West. By East you mean Russia, I presume? What role does Russia play in current ex Yugoslavia? I had an impression that they were completely ousted from this region by the West after the fall of socialism.
From my understanding Serbia is a Russian Ally in the region. They both claim Brotherhood from their shared Orthodox faith. At least the ruling classes do. Russia also enjoys much influence in Montenegro because of the same reason, it's majority orthodox and basically Serbian.
@@lordkenten4136stop putting it on orthodox Religion, Ukrainians are also orthodox and have Bad Relations to serbia
It’s more because russia Risked their own death for serbs in Ww1 and also helped them to uprise against ottomans
@@lordkenten4136 How does that influence manifest? Proclamations of friendship don't mean much when your supposed friend sells armaments to your enemy and not to you during a war.
(Serbia sold its stockpiles of artillery shells to Ukraine during the current war).
Doesn't that mean that Russia has no real influence there whatsoever, if it can't even prevent that?
@@lordkenten4136 The only two Christian countries the USA has been at war with since World War II are Serbia and Russia. Our ruling class seems particularly hostile to Orthodox Christians.
The Zionist role. If you dont support Zionist USA then support Zionist Russia. That way you are allowed to join one of the fake groups that They control, always supporting the Zionists. It is Yin VS Yang Zionist/Kabbalist Satanist Freemasonry, it is the same on all levels, vote for a Zionist actor on TV, Trump or vote for a Zionist actor on TV, Biden, just keep voting and wait for change and never do any real action, conform as the Kabbalah commands.
I hear there is an invisible thing floating around and can make you die if you dont let the sorcerers inject something in your blood. Blindly follow/worship the rabbis and TV.
Bro your channel has to be shadow banned I never get anything to appear on my feed anymore even though I’ve been subbed for years
W video as usual
you are right about practically everything said in the video
i'm also bosnian, but i know that constantly pandering about something that couldn't have been stopped many years ago and then forcing open the same wounds 29 years from now is not going to solve the giant complex issue, that being the cyclical protracting social conflicts in the balkans
if we are to ever stop future generations, maybe even our generation from repeating the same cycle, then we MUST take power while we still can, these other generations that are stuck in the past continue to stoke these flames of hatred, mistrust, and eventually war just so that they can keep themselves afloat while the rest of invariably suffer all because of some irrational "patriotism" that they continue to beat like a dead horse after 500-ish years, like as if it's happening today, right now, at this second
but no, our complacency with all these social media platforms and our addictions caused by abusing them is essentially why we refuse to do anything about this issue
Completely forgetting the crimes against humanity committed by Serbia towards Bulgarians in the Pomoravie and Macedonia.
Never even heard of it. That is the thing with these people. They have a mouth full of Srebrenica but they do not care that Saudi Kingdom of Satan is bombing civilians in Yemen for years with help of America or that they put farm animals in small cages and torture them. They do not really care about people of Srebrenica either, it s all one big, satanic-grief, shit show.
lol
Great Video Comrade 👍👌👌👍
Unfortunately as it is the Bosnian Serb and Bosniak leaders do not have moral strenght to cooperate much for future, Bosniaks feel insecure cause they don't really have a homeland apart from Daytonic Bosnia and with Serbian nationalism rising, it's creating an impulsive Bosniak nationalism too which pushes the Serbs away more from Bosnia and Serbs (thanks to rising Nationalism) not seeing much interest in tolerating or living with anyone else in their neighborhood see Serbia and Russia as these messiah nations that will make their lives better once they merge.
Unfortunately the nationalists being the loudest, they push common normal people to jump into nationalist rhetoric and get programmed into black and white thinking etc.
The social media are rampant with nationalists too and it creates fake image that Bosnian inhabitants all hate each other, which isn't really true, it's just the loudest types helping create this image.
It's a shame, but what can you expect if you try to force different people to live together. It ain't gonna last.
@@julius43461 We aren't so different at all, even ideologically or spiritually or morally, genetically we are least distinct in Europe most probably but nationalists, especially Serbian ones are painting picture that Serbs should only live with Serbs and that their entity is only theirs etc, extremely selfish-nationalist rhetoric that is very inflammatory for other people living in Bosnia.
It's toxic politics that are painting picture to be bad, everyone else is living relatively normally and in harmony with each other.
@@VigilantGuardian6750 All you need is a religious difference and some bad blood from the past. For example the fact that parts of BIH hosted(do they still?) Wahhabi recruitment centers tells you a lot about how big of a rift religion can be. These camps would never show up in in Cluj or Zagreb.
That same religious difference is the reason why Serbs are a Russian trojan horse in the Balkans, while Bosniaks are tied to Turkey in a similar way. Remove the religious aspect, and suddenly Turkey and Russia have no friendly people here who they can use to stir the pot if they so decide.
What I am trying to say is that while I understand why people will say that Serbs are a Russian trojan horse and a ticking time bomb in the Balkans, it's the same with Bosniaks who will always be seen as a potential issue in the Balkans. I have nothing against Bosniaks preserving their religion, and it's not fair that they will never be seen as the ones who "belong", but such is the reality of our world.
I do have a glimmer of hope that this can be fixed eventually. We are all being assimilated into this global culture anyway, so perhaps we will eventually put aside these differences and start working together. Maybe gen alpha will start communicating in memes and skibidi toilet slang, so the side effect of some of these awful trends might be that everyone comes together? Lol, but who knows, reality is stranger than fiction.
Personally I was ready to burry the hatchet a long time ago. However, I do understand why some people are not. Unfortunately, I think the number one reason why many people still dream of war and want to fight is because they are not happy with how their lives turned out.
Since I have a family, and I'm happy with a direction my life is going, I am ready to put aside all differences and just build things with other people. People who don't feel satisfied secretly want the world to burn, and will happily use turmoil to quickly improve their chances of getting what they desire.
Algorithm ❤❤❤
Veliki pozdrav iz Holandije svima! Ja sam Irac i volim sve Balkanu, ljudi, Bosanske planine, Hrvatske plaže, i noćni život u Beogradu.
Pozdtav za Holandiju i hvala tebi na podrsci prijatelju
Yugoslavia ❤
Yugoslavia again soon drugovi i drugarice 💌
…and why should anyone?
Having seen what the real genocide is, that of Israhell in Gaza and the collective West around the planet, the same one that teaches us "ignorant Balkans" lessons about human rights and "liberal" demo(no)cracy, I completely agree with the author of this video. It's time - it was the day before yesterday, and today is our second chance - for all the peoples of the former YU to understand who is the real enemy of all of us! Among other things, Netflix, which the author unfortunately advertises in the video...
Its not the "West", my fellow man. It is the world. They control everything. We are ALL occupied. They give you fake choice, Trump, Russia, Iran...they are all Zionist/Kabbalist Satanist Freemason bloodsuckers.
What is wrong with democracy?
This cute and naïve point of view. Until Ottoman invasion to Balkans we were really pretty similar. But then people from this area who accepted Islam adopted that Turkish and middle eastern vibe, Croats and Slovenians were under influence of Western Catholic Europe where they adopted that kind of mindset that Eastern Orthodox are Christians sure but they utterly consider them as some kind of traitors and schismatics for rejecting to submit to authority of Roman Catholic Church. Also during Ottoman Period Bosnians who become Muslims become much more cruel and evil to local Christian population than it was done by Turkish invaders before. That is something that local Christians never forget or forgive to them. So it started with Austria, Hungarian and Italian invasion of Slovenia and Croatia, and it was finished by Ottoman invasion of Balkans. Hundreds of years of occupation of different empires, cultures and religion created a gap between people that is possible to overcome but you need some political power some dictatorship who would force people to live with each other, and to teach them that your neighbor is not your enemy. And then maybe after 200 years of living like that we can get back to period where we were mostly in peace and that is 12, 13th century. Biggest mistake of Yugoslavia First and Second is they decided to ignore history and the fact we were separated for hundreds of years, that we were under occupation and that we are not in cultural way same people like we were before. And this differences cannot be overcome just because we know the fact that politicians are bad, and that we are poor and our interests are above all of this things. Marxism assume that we are all ideal and that we all have common sense, and once we realize this we will all get united for some goal. It works for some percent of people who are enlightened enough to see that. But for majority of people you need much more time, and experience of living next to each other to accept that. That is why Yugoslavia was missed opportunity, because we could be now almost on half way to achieve it, and we made much worse situation than it was before creating Yugoslavia. Oh, boy this was long comment 😅
But it works like a charm.
People will always fall for nationalistic rhetoric. 😢
Great vid! You ever listen to _The Empire Never Ended_ podcast?? it’s an “Antifascist Amerikanski-Balkan podcast about (neo)fascist terror, the (deep) state and the alienation, nihilism and desperation produced by the capitalist system.” and it’s one of the absolute best podcasts out there. They’ve got quite a bit of commentary on the ‘ancient hatreds’ narrative,
I can't dude the song about the father who's a war criminal is a banger to be honest 😂
When I look back at the 91s war, I am thinking what kind of understanding would I have if I had oportunity to see it from same POV when I am analyzing war in Ukraine. With all those information that you can get through internet, they couldnt shape my opinion through propaganda and I live in Croatia. So imagine what would you know about US interference befire the war and after Tito death.
Daj nam jos 2 generacije politicara da se izfiltriraju ljudi iz proslih sistema i mozda ce biti nade za zapadni balkan.
Mozda, ali nikako u okviru istog sistema. Likovi i imena nisu bitni, nego sistemi na cijoj podlozi dolaze do izrazaja. Promjene doleza samo temeljnom promjenom drustvenih odnosa
Ako jedan od tih dve generacije kiksne idemo sve na ponovo. Tako svaka druga generacija ima da vidi rat
@@BalkanOdyssey_ Такву причу су Комунисти беседали народу док су примали ММФ паре а народ одлазио у Западну Немачку да ради. Другим речима, систем је био одвратан и тад како је и сад.
to sam i ja mislio do prije 10ak godina. nažalost, mladi su stalno u treningu kroz obitelj i kroz stranke koje nude prosperitet pod uvjetom ulaganja sebe u snop. obitelj, vjera, domovina. također, u taj ekskluzivni klub se izravno i društveno ne primaju sunarodnjaci koji ne dijele njihovo mišljenje i označeni su kao izdajice, komunisti itd
Biće za ekonomiju ali Srpski narod će propasti sve je usmereno protiv Srbije Bošnajci Crnogorci i Makedonci su izmišljeni narodi a sad se polako ali sigurno pred našim očima Smišlja plan za odceplenje Vojvodine a i vi se bavite zemaljskim carstvom a mi nebeskim .
Remember the Alamo?
As an Albanian there is still very real trauma. The ethnic cleansing campaigns done by the Milosevic government, and the chauvinism shown by a lot of the Serbian people towards ethnic Albanians and Bosnians is still felt today.
cope
@@AmericansElite very cool and normal thing to say about a genocide campaign
@@El_Guapo98 fight fire with fire
Well your people also did heinous things in Kosovo and Macedonia that have left thousands of people with trauma. So the best thing to do is to find ourselves common interests and be friends, like I did with my Albanian colleague, and not repeat the crimes we did in the past.
Greetings from Macedonia.
@@DacLMK to nemoze sa srbijom remetilacki faktor od 90-i
Yugoslavia was all about peace. I am personally for peace and life in unity with Serbians, Bosniaks and others. I do not care about nationalists. They are few. For me its important to live every day as it is last. We are not here forever. I don't care about any war that happened in region. Holding grudges and imagine some hold it for ww2 times will just slow me down. It is like being fan of football games. Useless and pointless
I am with you but most people need a distraction from their daily lives, and need an enemy in order to have a purpose.
Braćo, ko nas je posvadjao?
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I do not buy this "workers of the world, unite". There is Truth/Justice...Goodness, only true god and worthy of worship.
Good people of the world, unite. We are ALL occupied.
Common socialist L😂
Bro don't you think that your timming is a bit off to put it nicely... You are way to smart to not know what date yoi are releasing this on...
Haven't thought about the date for a single second. It was supposed to come out last friday.
@@BalkanOdyssey_ thank god 😅
In my opinion the fault in Bosnia lies with them who do not identify as Bosnians and despise the Bosnian state and those who support it. It's not that hard. My Serbian great uncle and Croatian great aunt have lived in Bosnia since the 50ies and consider themselves Bosnian and live without grudge amongst the other ethnicities. Without tribalistic attitudes the trauma can be acknowledged, taken responsibility for and moved on.
That's good for you, but for the majority of ethnic Serbs this is a ridiculous thing to ask for. My family for example, suffered horribly because of our Serb ethnicity. In both world wars and in the 90s. All ethnic persecution does is make a person more spiteful and proud of who they are. The reality has always been this, if the Muslims didn't want Yugoslavia, you can't force the Serbs to identify with Bosnia. And if you do, you are being absolutely hypocritical.
@@letsdebate1179 i understand what you're saying. I'm just pointing to the way forward. Unless more people move past it, it'll stay the same or degrade into another war when the US and Europe starts backing off. Wouldn't be smart to hope for that. The Muslims would appreciate not being called Muslims. We're not just our religion. Come visit Tuzla sometime. You'll be surprised to see how Serbs live amongst Bosniaks and enjoy the orthodox Church untouched and respected. Tuzla, tri vjere jedna nacija. Ako može Tuzla, može i cijela Bosna.
@@bosanceros0172 brate moj, Žena mi je iz Tuzle. Divan je grad. Jeo sam ćevape u limenci i super bilo. Ali ako mi kažeš da je isto kao prije, ni blizu! To tuzlaci na žalost ne priznaju. Većina Srba je otišlo i nisu ludi što su otišli. U centru grada stoji tabla koja ih naziva "fašistima i agresorima". Zločinci kao što su Naser Oric slobodno su šetali gradom. Zločin nad kolonom u centru grada se slavi kao neko "oslobođenje grada". Nemoj me pogrešno razumiti. Ali ima tu mnogo da se popravi prije pravog pomirenja.
@bosanceros0172 žena mi je iz Tuzle. Predivan je grad, to stoji. Jeo sam ćevape u Limenci i bilo je top. Ali ako hoćeš da kažeš da je to isto kao što je bilo prije, nije ni blizu! 75% srba je otišlo I nisu ludi što su otišli. U centru grada stoji tabla koja ih naziva fašistima I agresorima. Slobodno su zločinci poput Orica hodali tim gradom i nikom ništa. Zločin nad Tuzlanskom kolonom u centru grada se slavi kao neko "oslobođenje." Tuzlaci u glavnom ne žele tu istinu da priznaju. Ima mnogo da se popravi ako želimo iskreno "pomirenje" .
@@bosanceros0172 Zena mi je iz Tuzle. Predivan je grad. Jeo sam cevape u Limenci i bilo je top. Ali ako hoces da kazes da je to isto kao sto je bilo prije, ni bizu! 3/4 srba je otislo iz grada i nisu ludi sto su otisli. U centru grada stoji velika tabla koja ih naziva fasistima i agresorima! Zlocinci poput Nasera Orica su slobodno hodali gradom i nikom nista. Zlocin nad Tuzlanskom kolonom se slavi kao neko "oslobodjenje." Tuzlaci u glavnom ne zele to da prizanju. Ima mnogo toga da se popravi kako bi dosli do iskrenog pomirenja.
While I agree hatred between Serbs, Croats and Bosnians came from nationalists for the war, I find it a big overstep do blame all of them equally. Dealing with history is important and only a small amount of extremists in Croatia and Bosnia complain about war crimes while the nations and vast majority of politicians commemorate and accept wrongdoing in war crimes. While on the other hand the president of Serbia and the nation as a whole cry and fearmonger when you bring up a genocide that the Serbs committed. Best example is the Srebrenica situation, Germany wasn't declared a genocidal nation for the holocaust, Croatia wasn't declared genocidal for Jasenovac (even though Serbs would like it to be), so why do Serbs constantly fear over being declared a genocidal nation when one of there crimes is brought to attention. Recognize it, accept it, work towards reparation and cooperation in the same way Croatia and Bosnia have done and are doing, but witch Serbia refuses to even start even though they have been given a chance from nations they have wronged.
Bro in Serbia most of us hates him, except old people. Hi is corrupted layer, don't generalize all of Serbia.
@@zeljkodjordjevic2960 I apologise, but the video states all 3 elites focus on war crimes.
But Croatia activly accepts its crimes and works with the EU to adapt.
Bosnia has a problem with staying silent but efforts are being made from the citizens and local mayors to bring them to light.
And then you have Serbia where a large percantage of the population agrees with Vučić, who himself denies serbian crimes, while also there being no backlash or call from the general population to contradict him and say "yes we did crimes". If there is I'm sorry but its so small it can't be heard.
@@Gentlebot1045 "Croatia activly accepts its crimes and works with the EU to adapt"
im sorry but this statement is not 100% true.
HDZ and DP(more radical HDZ) deny many of the crimes commited by them in the 90s war and even Jasenovac.
Serbia is far worse than Croatia in this situation but still saying Croatia is innocent is just not true.
Without HDZ and its more radical puppets it would be a far better place
@@limapima999 what current HDZ member outright fully denies Jasenovac. Also Croatia had a whole procedure with the Hague over war criminals so i don't see how that went unpunished.
@@Gentlebot1045I do agree that we should all reconcile with each others but I don't see any effort in Croatia or Bosnia (there's politicians ofcourse).
Od jednog srpskog naroda stvorise 2 da bi vladali i jos su ih ubedili da mrze srbe i rasturili drzavu da bi na celom Balkanu crepli resurse... Pitanje za vas ostale,jel ste srecni sto ste rasturili nekada jednu drzavu,jel zivite bolje mozda :) ?
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@@JmKrokY ???
I can't believe our people (Albanian, Croats, Bosnian muslims, Serbs) were willing to kill each other who looks exactly like themselves. I mean, we all are extremely similar when compared with the rest of the world .
I pray for all the innocent victins.
But if we would look different, than it would be ok?
Nationalist/chetnik in a partisan clothing is still a nationalist/chetnik. The fact that in 1940s, chetniks put on Partisan uniform is the root cause of all problems in Ex Jugoslavia.
That's indeed true
@@BalkanOdyssey_It's really not. Today, with many times higher levels of literacy if you were to have similar type of war/chaos and if people were to split into groups where they're led by different ideologues could you seriously claim that significant number of people under any fraction can comprehend ideology of its leaders? Das Capital and marxist philosophy are too dense for averege citizen in western society today, let alone peasants of 1940s Yugoslavia. Everyone's responsible for what they actually did individually, and most responsible are those who had most power (education, money, high ranking position). Which uniforms they wore at which point means nothing. Lemmy wore nazi uniforms. Tito should be hated and held as most responsible for 90s wars, and people of all ex-yu nationalities know it intuitively. He held absolute power for 35/45 years before wars broke out. Only morally correct thing a man in his position could've done was giving away (redistributing) power and curing people of "cult of personality" instead of embracing it. Communists failed to redistribute power every time, but their main thing was redistribution of wealth. It was disingenuous "movement" since always and everywhere.
@@nonaligned293 I'm sorry, but there is nothing intuitive about hating a man for a war that happened 11 years after his death.
@@ilikelizards4459 consequences of his rule affect people today, both good and bad.
@@BalkanOdyssey_ this is true for CZcamsrs too. Some used to post video glorifying Chetniks and their crimes and today they play communists. Nothing is changed… they still want us to shut up though, but times are different.
"Please submit to the Serbian Empire"
Never Forgive.
Never Forget.
when the serb wants everyone to stop talking about their war crimes. seriously this is pathetic.
Did you watch this video?
U srebrenici nije bilo genocida vi ste genocidni.
don't tell me what to do
Alexa play "moje je tata zlocinac iz rata"
There is no Serbian and Croatian nations in Bosnia those are ethnicities and the sooner neighbouring countries realize that the political scene woill be purged from ethinc conflicts in the coutntry
Cringe
Yugoslavia was the same what is today but bigger, it was an etno national state, thats why it was called "Jugo=south slavia", national anthem went "...duh nasih dijedova....zivi zivi duh slavenski", it was built on idea that all south slavs are same people, non slavic minorities where not that appreciated in Yugoslavia, waving proudly back then with Yugoslavian flag (and there was a lot of waving) is the same thing like waving with existing flags today, communist tried to create a Yugoslavian nationalism and failed.
I agree with you that there is to much talking about who killed who all the time, but this is mostly problem in Bosnia and Herzegovina, not so much in Serbia and Croatia, and all the politician today didnt divide the region, they are just playing along and using it for its own benefit, i would say that they are perfect representatives of the people there, its like the thing with corruption, everyone are complaining about corrupt politician, but in the other hand everyone are corrupt whenever they get a chance.
You getting paid by netflix? Why are you promoting such political biased media just after explaining that you are not?
Bro...I'm sponsored by Surfshark, isn't that a bit obvious?
Yes but you are saying that shows and documentaries are some what healthier than the news but Netflix is the biggest woke propaganda of them all.
Another pro-yugo delusional video. Yuga should never existed.
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