I’m going to comment the exact same thing I did in the discord; Yes it’s on Max but again this shows Lando is impatient and can’t keep himself under control. If Lando even moved a few inches over to the kerb he’s still in 2nd and has another chance to pass. I don’t blame him but he really needs to learn from this and be more patient and pick the battles that can give him the better outcome.
On what evidence do you base this comment? There is a rule that the corner is for the driver on the inside. Also, the onboard camera showed that MV did NOT turn to the left. This was 100% the inexperienced Norris.
So @Latebraking Should Red Bull replace Perez with Pato O'ward? Pros: Faster Driver. They might keep the Mexican Sponsorship 🤑 Has a Super Licence. Cons: Has a McLaren contract.
Why didn’t Lando go a little wider he was going for the undercut. That’s the exact move that Max did on LeClerc for an undercut but Max was pushed much wider.
Dear gentleman I want to ask you to enlighten me on something I do not understand very well and that is the expression ‘moving under braking’. I do hear this all the time and you all three seem to understand exactly what it means but I do not. English is not my native tongue and maybe that is the cause of my misunderstanding. I heard a Belgian journalist on a podcast of some of your fellow countryman saying that he always thought that the idea of the ruling was that a driver is not allowed to move in the braking space of the driver that was following him. I am not clear of what sort of move he was speaking. In a recent interview on Dutch television I heard Max Verstappen saying that he did not moved under braking but that he moved first and that he after he repositioned the car he came of the throttle and that slowed the car down because his position was uphill on a climbing slope. Now I still do not know what is exactly ment by moving under braking / or is it braking under moving? What sort of moving? Zig/zag? To the left, to the right? Is it maybe.forbidden to change direction in a certain area like after the 100. >. 50 > meter marks? After the white line? In the braking area? Before or after a corner? Is there a certain area or position in which it is prohibited to braking a tow (to brake up a slipstream)? Is it possible that people understand the meaning of “moving under braking” differently? I am from the Netherlands and my school English is rudimentary so please if you can enlighten me to bring my knowledge up to date, Thanking you in advance, Jeroen Bons.
First of all: Max was not moving under breaking or…changing direction more than once in the breaking zone”. Please examen the track and see Peter Windsor referring to the incident. Now about rights and rules, to be clear between us about something before we start to BLAME. 1. Ver was in front, je was leading the race. He was first to approach the corner so it was HIS corner and consequently he could determine on which way he wanted to take that corner. That was his right. 2. He was not responsible for the position of Nor’s car. He was not driving that car, Nor was. He came up from behind with considerable speed and risked to violate track limits at the approaching corner. 3. Ver had chosen his approach line as he had done many times before when he was in the lead. He did not divert from this line and he did not brake forcefully. (no need) 4. The road was uphill and cars were slowed down by gravity. The racing line is on this climb somewhat diagonal to the left. It shows a very regular and common preparation for the entry of the corner of one wants to defend the inside line. VER had every right to determine his approaching His corner. 5. Ver is not responsible for the preparation of Nor’s position, speed or driving. Ver has no grip on that, no influence. Only NOR is responsible for his car and driving and because he was behind he had to make sure that he was not in any way hindering the car in front. 6. To conclude it is clear that Nor was approaching at great speed at a corner on which there would not be enough driveway left to stay within the lines. His car touched Ver’s car causing a left-rear tire damage, overshooting the car in front, collecting a tire puncture. After this sequence of affairs Nor drove much to fast back to pits and by doing so he ruined the right side of his causing considerable damage. Now in the aftermath he blames Ver for the damage caused by himself. Verstappen has every right to state that Norris ruined his race, prevented his possible win by clumsy driving. But he stated on a sportsmanlike way “things can happen”.
I want to make a remark about the unpleasant atmosphere that resulted from the racing incident. The constant calling for drivers to ‘ bring the fight’ to Verstappen created an unpleasant and heated exitement that resulted in a collision and war. Norris brought the fight to Verstappen but he forgot to use his brain. He is angry now and blames his victim but I think he is actually angry with himself.
ACTUALLY.. Norris got given a 5-second penalty for crossing the line. It was on the screen, just before the 10 second penalty got announced You guys are the perfect example of Biased British Media.. !! Max did not do ANYTHING wrong in that corner. He positioned himself in the middle of the track, Norris took the outside, wich is already the hard side. Onboard footage shows that MV did NOT turn his wheel to the left
Did you listen to the Pod at all? Harry said Max out drove Norris and Norris was diveboming, and Sam said Max was driving "fantastic" and "sensational" and that Norris' moves were rash. On the whole they were very complimentary of Max, and agreed with the stewards that Max was responsible for the incident. I assume you just claim British Bias on any pod with British presenters.
Red Bull did. They let Max getting more and more annoyed with two lapped Haas cars(on fresh tires) for many laps. They should have pitted Max right then on the Hards. He would have won to problema then.
I’m going to comment the exact same thing I did in the discord; Yes it’s on Max but again this shows Lando is impatient and can’t keep himself under control. If Lando even moved a few inches over to the kerb he’s still in 2nd and has another chance to pass. I don’t blame him but he really needs to learn from this and be more patient and pick the battles that can give him the better outcome.
If recency is anything to go by, it's on both of them. Same move Max did but without contact = no penalty. The move isn't the problem, the contact is.
On what evidence do you base this comment? There is a rule that the corner is for the driver on the inside. Also, the onboard camera showed that MV did NOT turn to the left. This was 100% the inexperienced Norris.
So @Latebraking Should Red Bull replace Perez with Pato O'ward?
Pros: Faster Driver.
They might keep the Mexican Sponsorship 🤑
Has a Super Licence.
Cons: Has a McLaren contract.
Did Sam get a new camera? I like the new look/arrangement of you three on-screen and focus on speaker with other two PIP.
Why didn’t Lando go a little wider he was going for the undercut. That’s the exact move that Max did on LeClerc for an undercut but Max was pushed much wider.
"Front wing touching they get a puncture" Mate did you even watch?
Dear gentleman I want to ask you to enlighten me on something I do not understand very well and that is the expression ‘moving under braking’. I do hear this all the time and you all three seem to understand exactly what it means but I do not. English is not my native tongue and maybe that is the cause of my misunderstanding. I heard a Belgian journalist on a podcast of some of your fellow countryman saying that he always thought that the idea of the ruling was that a driver is not allowed to move in the braking space of the driver that was following him. I am not clear of what sort of move he was speaking. In a recent interview on Dutch television I heard Max Verstappen saying that he did not moved under braking but that he moved first and that he after he repositioned the car he came of the throttle and that slowed the car down because his position was uphill on a climbing slope. Now I still do not know what is exactly ment by moving under braking / or is it braking under moving? What sort of moving? Zig/zag? To the left, to the right? Is it maybe.forbidden to change direction in a certain area like after the 100. >. 50 > meter marks? After the white line? In the braking area? Before or after a corner? Is there a certain area or position in which it is prohibited to braking a tow (to brake up a slipstream)? Is it possible that people understand the meaning of “moving under braking” differently? I am from the Netherlands and my school English is rudimentary so please if you can enlighten me to bring my knowledge up to date, Thanking you in advance, Jeroen Bons.
@1:02:50 Ben getting in there with the dad jokes 😆
You have been my favorite podcast but the British bias is leaking in and we shall see but I’m not going to be lied too
First of all: Max was not moving under breaking or…changing direction more than once in the breaking zone”. Please examen the track and see Peter Windsor referring to the incident.
Now about rights and rules, to be clear between us about something before we start to BLAME. 1. Ver was in front, je was leading the race. He was first to approach the corner so it was HIS corner and consequently he could determine on which way he wanted to take that corner. That was his right.
2. He was not responsible for the position of Nor’s car. He was not driving that car, Nor was. He came up from behind with considerable speed and risked to violate track limits at the approaching corner.
3. Ver had chosen his approach line as he had done many times before when he was in the lead. He did not divert from this line and he did not brake forcefully. (no need)
4. The road was uphill and cars were slowed down by gravity. The racing line is on this climb somewhat diagonal to the left. It shows a very regular and common preparation for the entry of the corner of one wants to defend the inside line. VER had every right to determine his approaching His corner.
5. Ver is not responsible for the preparation of Nor’s position, speed or
driving. Ver has no grip on that, no influence. Only NOR is responsible for his car and driving and because he was behind he had to make sure that he was not in any way hindering the car in front.
6. To conclude it is clear that Nor was approaching at great speed at a corner on which there would not be enough driveway left to stay within the lines. His car touched Ver’s car causing a left-rear tire damage, overshooting the car in front, collecting a tire puncture. After this sequence of affairs Nor drove much to fast back to pits and by doing so he ruined the right side of his causing considerable damage. Now in the aftermath he blames Ver for the damage caused by himself. Verstappen has every right to state that Norris ruined his race, prevented his possible win by clumsy driving. But he stated on a sportsmanlike way “things can happen”.
I want to make a remark about the unpleasant atmosphere that resulted from the racing incident.
The constant calling for drivers to ‘ bring the fight’ to Verstappen created an unpleasant and heated exitement that resulted in a collision and war. Norris brought the fight to Verstappen but he forgot to use his brain. He is angry now and blames his victim but I think he is actually angry with himself.
Lewis had floor and sidepod damage, which affected his pace during the race.
Seeing some British mist with the late breaking boys. Peter Windsor said hard racing. British bias finally shows up on the podcast
Good some Journalists still try to have a Neutral look at things.
ACTUALLY.. Norris got given a 5-second penalty for crossing the line. It was on the screen, just before the 10 second penalty got announced
You guys are the perfect example of Biased British Media.. !! Max did not do ANYTHING wrong in that corner. He positioned himself in the middle of the track, Norris took the outside, wich is already the hard side. Onboard footage shows that MV did NOT turn his wheel to the left
Did you listen to the Pod at all? Harry said Max out drove Norris and Norris was diveboming, and Sam said Max was driving "fantastic" and "sensational" and that Norris' moves were rash. On the whole they were very complimentary of Max, and agreed with the stewards that Max was responsible for the incident. I assume you just claim British Bias on any pod with British presenters.
Max fumbled a win in the fastest car and ruined Landos race smh
Red Bull did. They let Max getting more and more annoyed with two lapped Haas cars(on fresh tires) for many laps. They should have pitted Max right then on the Hards. He would have won to problema then.