The 'Trinity' Lie exposed - Must see! God is 'ONE' not Three.-The best explanation i have heard!!!..
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The Trinity Lie exposed!
What trinitarians believe that God sent himself down to earth, preached about himself , prayed to himself , raised himself, sat at the right hand of himself , hands the kingdom back to himself , exalted himself , gives authority and power to himself , when being baptized talks to himself from heaven and anoint himself with holy spirit , that pretty much sums it up
This leads to the ultimate question... are Christians who worship a Trinity, really followers of God? Because they are deliberately breaking the 1st commandment and are no different then the Greeks, Egyptians, and others who worshiped three gods.
God is one person: The Father alone.
Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I am he, and there is no God with me!
Shalom, this is the second time I have seen these things pointed out, and it makes sense of many things that have been said in both testaments in the Bible, the picture is now coming into focus. The mist is clearing to be replaced with stark reality......
GOD IS ONE
Hi i just want to add about the divinity of christ, there was these pharasess asked him your not even fifty years old how would u know of our father abhraham..jesus answered before abraham was born" IAM"
Very interesting. Makes sense, but why did Jesus say ' before Abraham was, I AM" ? Or say " father glorify me with the glory I had with you before the world was made"? Or " I am the first and the last?"
Excellent! More people need to see this!
1 Corinthians 1:24 (KJV)
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the POWER of God, and the WISDOM of God.
Hear O Israel the Lord our God is ONE LORD! Jesus said this is MOST important! Mark 12:29
no Jesus prior to OT? Gen_1:26 Then God said, "Let US make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
Hi...the very first bible verse you've picked says..."worship by spirit and the truth"...and I think that's when all problems starts in Christianity because lack of spirit and the truth is dim!
Can I get explanation of " worship in spirit and the truth"...please
Your message in inspiring and will be useful in my channel. I just started my own channel and I am still learning. God bless u abundantly
also read Hebrews
Chapter 1
The Son Superior to Angels
5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father”[a]?
Or again,
“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son”[b]?
6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”[c]
7 In speaking of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels spirits,
and his servants flames of fire.”[d]
8 But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”[e]
10 He also says,
“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12 You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end.”[f]
13 To which of the angels did God ever say,
“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet”[g]?
14 Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?
How about this prophecy revealed in Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." The Holy Spirit revealed this to me when I prayed and ask God Who Jesus is.
So “the Word” was Jehovah’s “only-begotten Son” in a particular sense, even as Isaac was Abraham’s “only-begotten son” in a particular sense (his father already having another son but not by his wife Sarah).-Heb 11:17; Ge 16:15.
Why do people always go to that argument? That you can't find the word 'Trinity' in the Bible. You do realise you don't find the word 'Transfiguration' as well - as ONE example. It's man-made words used to describe Biblical concepts.
Did Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, worship one person, two persons or three persons?
God is a Spirit..John 4:24. God did it alone and no one else was there. He moved over the waters in Gen. God was manifested in the flesh to teach us and to reconcile us back to him. 1 Tim. 3:16 and 2 Cor. 5:19. Isa. 43:11-God is the only savior. Isa. 45:6-God is alone, none else.
The entire underlying foundation upon which the trinity is laid is the divinity of Jesus Christ. That is the contentious issue, not the trinity itself.
Typo, I meant us not U.S. and most of us, instead of most,
Amen and Shalom :)
The reason Jesus is call the last Adam and a type of the first Adam is because 1) he had to be born sinless just as the first Adam and the only way this could be accomplished was to be fathered by God. 2) He had to come thru the linage of David and Mary and Jospeh both were from the line of David 3) he had to have Free Will or he could not have been like the first Adam and, he had to be able to sin 4) and he had to be able to die.....just like the first Adam
Your very first word CONTROVERSY induces UNTRUSTABLE CONFUSION. THANKS YOU!
BLESSING
Excellent!
Proverbs 8:30
30 Then I was beside him as a master worker.+
I was the one he was especially fond of+ day by day;
I rejoiced before him all the time;+
John 6:56, 57
56 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in union with me, and I in union with him.+ 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will live because of me.+
I just wanted to state at the beginning that I am not a trinitarian but I do believe in the preexistence of Jesus Christ before he was manifest in the flesh.
The speaker stopped before addressing John 17:24 That Jesus was loved by the Father before the foundation of the world. Back in verses 3 and 4 Jesus said "This is eternal life that they may know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou has SENT. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory WHICH I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS." Jesus was sent, God gave him to the world and sent him.
In the first chapter of John it says "the Word was God. 2. "The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made."
Jesus was "sent" and as stated in John 3:16 God "gave" his only begotten Son. There are other places as well the speak of the preexistence of Christ before he was manifest in the flesh.
The most powerful evidence is found in Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
8:24 When [there were] no depths, I was brought forth; when [there were] no fountains abounding with water.
8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I [was] there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
8:30 Then I was by him, [as] one brought up [with him]: and I was daily [his] delight, rejoicing always before him;
Jesus was the one that did battle with Lucifer when he was cast out of heaven.
He was divine, a human sacrifice would not have been a sufficient for the sins of the whole world. Jesus had a divine nature. If Jesus was merely a mortal man there would have been no sacrifice from heaven. A sacrifice was required to fulfill the demands of the law of God. Jesus voluntarily "humbled himself and took upon himself the form of a servant and became obedient unto death even the death of the cross." If it were possible for man to be the sacrifice for man then God could have given his nature to any human there is no loss in that and no sacrifice. If this is true Jesus had nothing to lose and he went through what he did to save himself.
1 John makes a statement "truly our fellowship is with the Father and with the Son." Paul repeatedly stated a similar statement that is in nearly every book of the new testament.
As stated in Proverbs chapter 8. There was a brief moment in time far back in the history of eternity that the Father existed without the Son and he was "brought forth." He was begotten in the Spirit and was begotten in the flesh. "All things were made by him." God saw the rebellion in heaven coming before it revealed itself. His Son was the only one that could handle the emergency. Just as he battled with Lucifer in the wilderness to break his power over his appetite Jesus did battle with him in heaven and Satan was cast out.
Jesus was then known as Michael. Revelation 12:10 "the kingdom of our God and the Power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down."
17 Also, he is before all other things,+ and by means of him all other things were made to exist
John 8:23
23 He went on to say to them: “You are from the realms below; I am from the realms above.+ You are from this world; I am not from this world.
John 8:42
42 Jesus said to them: “If God were your Father, you would love me,+ for I came from God and I am here. I have not come of my own initiative, but that One sent me.+
Thank you for posting this truth, and may God bless the man who told it, The Spirit of God be with you. :)
As in my language the kings always says we told to obey us...He does not say I always told you to obey me... US here is as pleural of respect...similarly in Arabic and greek
This would include the millions of other spirit sons of Jehovah God’s heavenly family (Da 7:9, 10; Re 5:11), as well as the physical universe and the creatures originally produced within it. Logically, it was to this firstborn Son that Jehovah said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness.” (Ge 1:26) All these other created things were not only created “through him” but also “for him,” as God’s Firstborn and the “heir of all things.”-Col 1:16; Heb 1:2.
Hebrews 1:1-9 (KJV)
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Through God's Son, everything was revealed even before He came and was made flesh to manifest God.
+Kyle Evans
Amen, Jesus came in the flesh to manifest God, his father.
Blessings
Ok I agree at one time in history there was one God,but later this One God had a Son,and all power on heaven and earth was given to the Son,and I do not believe God was a Indian giver. So now I ask you what is the definition of God?
+childlike faith
God gave Jesus all authority for an appointed time.
Read 1 Corinthians 15:24-28
Jesus does indeed hand everything back over to God, when the end comes.
Blessings,
Jesus called himself "the I am, What about John 1, The word was God.... and numerous other verses. In Gen 1:26, and God said let US make...........
Stephen Boshoff
Why would ANYONE say that. Do you not know that satan was an angel?
What I am saying is that angels, the righteous ones who stayed WITH God, are His messengers and do GOD's will, just as Jesus (God's SON) does God's will.
Was Lucifer not righteous at one point, the pinnacle of god's creation, and He did become proud. In any case this discussion is becoming futile. This whole video is fueling the Islamic movement, and causing more divisions in the Eklesia. So basically the Jehovah witnesses, the Mormons, Islam and you are all on the right path! The biblical evidence that Jesus called himself I AM, and the numerous creation verses you will argue because you have a view that you are not willing to deviate from!
The following seven scriptures show the fallacy of claiming that the Father and the Son are one being as the Trinity teaching asserts. How can one reconcile belief in the Trinity with these simple questions?
Hebrews 1:5 tells us that Jesus was begotten by His Father. Did He beget Himself?
In Matthew 22:44, the Father said Jesus would sit at His right hand until His enemies were made His footstool. Was Jesus to sit at His own right hand?
In Matthew 24:36, when Jesus told His disciples that no one knows the day or hour of His return but the Father only, did He really know but made up an excuse to not tell them?
In John 14:28, Jesus said His Father was greater than He was. Does this mean He was greater than Himself?
In John 17:1, Jesus prayed to His Father. Was He praying to Himself?
In Matthew 27:46, Jesus cried out, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?" Had He forsaken Himself?
In John 20:17, Jesus said He would ascend to the Father after His resurrection. Did He ascend to Himself?
These and many other biblical passages demonstrate to a rational Bible reader that the Trinity teaching is not only unbiblical, but also utterly illogical!
However, they’re most likely meant to be “ one in purpose”, to lead us to Heaven.
JESUS ANSWERED CLEARLY...NO ONE HAS GONE TO THE HEAVENS EXCEPT THE SON OF MAN WHO HAS COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN
+praveen jacob Yeah. That is not proof of a trinity.
Why did it take thee hundred years for the councils to decided who Jesus was? And if that isn't bad enough, they decided in their final creed that it was a mystery not to be comprehended by anyone. So what do, they blamed this mystery on GOD.....and US! God is a mystery we are not to understand him! What a cop-out! Why couldn't they just let God Be God and Jesus be Jesus? Why is that so hard??
If you are going to quote John 17, there is another verse which become problematic; John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thous me with thine own self with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was." That is a problem for your view. In any case, it bring us to justification before God. As Jesus is the LOGOS, He is God's plan, but a plan is not a person in that a plan can experience glory -- unless it works differently in heaven.
The Lord our God is One Lord, His Messiah is One, and we are One in Him. The Oneness of how it works will be something we will live out in glory. Both sides like to leave out scriptures, I think that the whole truth, which is what we all want, cannot ignore.
God does not make a trinity in the same way as was in paganism and to use the same term in both places creates a difficulty. This term is left out for a reason. YHWH was not a sun-god. Makes me ask if there are solar disks or solar halos, Easter sunrise services, monstrances in a solar blaze, which god you got.
If the faith you have wants to murder Jews, you have an unbiblical faith.
All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why i said the spirit will take from what is mine and make it know to you.
Thanks for posting you say 27;30 Gods name j..... I dont think it is reight No j in Greek or Heb is it right?
At last somebody say the truth ! Thank you .
The argument that says the TRINITY is unbiblical because we cant find it anywhere in the bible is very illogical. It is the same thing with the word "FAMILY", does it mean this is not true because it wasnt explicitly stated to best describe Adam, Eve and their children?
And there is another question...can you tell me who led all Israel in wilderness and give them commandmens if you talking about one God in deutoronomy?
These verses identify the trinity is a teachings of Jesus . They identify the Father ,Son and the HS are 1. Jesus uses the term we and our to reveal the triune nature of God,as God said let us make man in our image in Gen. JC says we in the NT and identifies the HS as key to understand God and needed to see the kingdom of God. You have not the HS and this is why you reject the trinity,and are still lost in your sins.
John 3
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of... the Spirit,... he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is..... every one... that is born of the Spirit.
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, ....We.... speak that ....we.... do know, and testify that ....we ....have seen; and ye receive not.... our..... ....witness...
JC corrects the rabbi and says he should know this teachings,and he identifies he speaks in unity with God, as God.
John 14
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that... I am in my Father, ...and ye in me,... and ....I in you...
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and ....my Father... will love him, and.... we... will come unto him, and make .....our.... abode with him.
(Jesus identifies we will come in live in the man,the Father ,the Son and the Holy Spirit makes this possible )
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the ...Holy Ghost..., whom the Father will send in my name, .....he..... shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
(These verses identify why you who reject the trinity do so b/c you have not the HS of God in you and you are still lost in your sins,and will awake in a real hell b/c you are not born again and do not the mind of Christ, being in agreement with him by the HS.)
1 Corinthians 2
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the.......
..... Spirit of God....
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world,
but.... the spirit... which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the.... Holy Ghost teacheth;.... comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But ...the natural man... receiveth not the things of the.... Spirit of God: ...for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
The doctrine of the trinity is clearly established and men who reject it have the spirit of the world.and not the Spirit of God.
To reject my words mean nothing,but to reject the WORDS of God makes you worthy for hell,and you have a antichrist spirit . Repent change your thinking about who JC is or you will remain lost in your sins for ever.
Jesus is Lord
Hell is a place where there is no logic. The trinity is illogical.
We were made in God's image......not the other way around!
Explain Exodus 32:30 "And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." But in Exodus 33:20 "And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live"It seems to me that if God was one person than these two verses would be a contradiction. Also God showed himself to Abraham and it can't be an angel because it specifically says that God came with two angels by his side. Also John 1:18 states that "no man hath seen God" but JACOB clearly saw God therefore it seems perfectly rational to believe that God is complex in his unity. Also what about Revelation 22:13 Where Jesus says "I am the Alpha and the Omega the first and the last, the Beginning and the End" but in Isiah 44:6 states “I am the First and the Last;
there is no other God." But Jesus is claiming to have the exact same nature of being eternally present in the past and the future. The Father may be greater in terms of his role but that does not make him more "God" than Jesus because they have been and always will be. I may say my father is greater than I, but is my father more human than me? No. And if you read the context of when Jesus said that he says "If you love me, you would rejoice that I go to the Father because the Father is greater than I" so another interpretation of that could be that Jesus himself is saying that we should rejoice because at the current moment when Jesus is a man, the Father is greater, but when he dies and goes to the Father they will be equal. Also we can deduce that the Holy Spirit is equal to the Father because Jesus says to Baptize in the name of the Father Son and the Holy Spirit as if all are separate yet one NAME(Matthew 28:19). And finally our Lord Jesus Christ refers to the Holy Spirit as a person with personal pronouns---------"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, WHOM the Father will send in my name, HE shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." When he says " WHOM the Father will send" Jesus is making a clear distinction between himself, the Father, and the Holy Spirit and used masculine pronouns to depict who the Holy Spirit is and what his job is. John 14:26(KJV)
I'm not claiming to know everything and I hope by reading this you(addressing anyone who reads) did not get the impression of arrogance or condescendence. We're all seeking the truth, and I'm just showing my position with evidence from the scripture. God Bless!
If you are so sure about this theory, how can you explain this vers: "Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after ..." Who are "WE"? (Please read in hebrew, if you want)
Excellent
What is the name of the speaker ?
You can find Jesus being the savior of sinners in Matthew 20:28 and Mark 10:45
+Charlene Hendricks
Amen!
The Father(God Almighty) SENT His SON to be The Savior of the world!
1 John 4:14
b4 anybody was, we all was... for God knows all. that verse doest not say he is god.
verses that mention the 3 Persons:
"After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him," Matth. 3:16.
"After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him," Matth. 12:28.
"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit," Matth. 28:19.
"The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God." Luke 1:35.
"But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, Whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." John 14:26.
"When the Advocate comes, Whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth Who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me," John 15:26. NOTE please notice that in John 14:26 the Father sends the Holy Spirit but in 15:26 it is Jesus Who sends the Holy Spirit.
"And while staying with them He ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, He said, “you heard from Me; for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Acts 1:4, 5.
""This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses. Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear." Acts 2:32, 33.
"how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him." Acts 10:38.
"However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. But if the Spirit of Him Who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He Who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit Who dwells in you." Rom. 8:9, 11. NOTE notice how AGAIN the Holy Spirit is described as the Spirit of God and of Christ interchangeably!
"Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God." 1 Cor. 6:11.
"Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are varieties of ministries, but the same Lord. There are varieties of effects, but the same God Who works all things in all persons." 1 Cor. 12:4-6.
"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all." 2 Cor. 13:14.
"and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. (Jews-Gentiles) For through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father....having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone, ...in Whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God by the Spirit." Eph. 2:16-22.
"For this reason I bow my knees before the Father, that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power through His Spirit in the inner man, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; and that you, being rooted and grounded in love," Eph. 3:14, 16, 17.
"There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all." Eph. 4:4-6.
"But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, Whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior," Titus 3:4-6.
"Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says, “Today, if you hear His voice,..Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God...For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end," Heb. 3:7, 12, 14.
"how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?" Heb. 9:14.
"But this Man, after offering one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God...For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are sanctified. The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. For after He says: This is the covenant I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws on their hearts and write them on their minds," Heb. 10:12-16. NOTE please notice that the prophecy spoken to Jeremiah by YHWH is attributed as having been spoken by the Holy Spirit. READ Jer. 31:31-34.
"according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you." 1 Pet. 1:2.
"But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life." Jude 1:20, 21.
John 14:28...The father is GREATER than I am. The Lord's prayer, Jesus says to pray to OUR father...if he was GOD then why would he say that? Why did Jesus go to the wilderness to pray to GOD the night before he died, if he was GOD? I could keep going! The clergymen of the Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant churches KNOW it is a lie and they cant say so because it would blow away their POWER and MONEY(Matt.10:8;9)!
When God becomes active He is the Holly Spirit and Jesus is a manifestation of the Holly Spirit
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The Truth!
I AM HE.'
I AM THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH!
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1timothy 3.16
i believe in one true God, but the Spirit of God is not just a particular power
Proof that the Angel of the Lord is also a God and distinct from the LORD God: Here Gideon is speaking with the Angel of the Lord and the Lord God, Gideon ask the Angel not to leave yet for he will give an offering to him, The Angel of the Lord accepted his worshipped offering then vanished from his sight, In fear of his life because he have seen God, God who have not left him yet spoke and told him, he will not die. For its not God the Father that he saw but the Angel of the Lord. Judges 6:22 The angel of God said to him, "Take the meat and the unleavened bread and lay them on this rock, and pour out the broth." And he did so. Then the angel of the LORD put out the end of the staff that was in his hand and touched the meat and the unleavened bread; and fire sprang up from the rock and consumed the meat and the unleavened bread. Then the angel of the LORD vanished from his sight. When Gideon saw that he was the angel of the LORD, he said, "Alas, O Lord GOD! For now I have seen the angel of the LORD face to face." The LORD said to him, "Peace to you, do not fear; you shall not die." No Angel could accept worshipped from man, that would be idolatry, unless the Angel of the Lord is also a God. But he is distinct from God the Father for he is visible to man, And God the Father is a God that no man can see and live.
Obadiah1 Lord sais>we have heard a message from the Lord
Strange how God can be things like burning bushes, or pillars of fire and smoke - while also still being God - yet, some people find it impossible to believe that God can occupy the body of a man and still be God.
Did God have to divide Himself into a bush to become the bush? Why then should He have to divide Himself into a "second person" to become a man? Or a "third person" to become a spirit?
"For in CHRIST lives ALL the fullness of GOD IN HUMAN FORM" - Colossians 2:9 (NLT)
The capital words tell you everything you need to know about the so-called "Trinity." There's a reason why you never find that word in the bible: It's false doctrine.
+James Padgett Colossians 2:8 reads: "See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ."
The bible is very clear that there is only ONE God, and His name is Jesus.
Genesis 28:27-30
Genesis 35:1 and 35:9
Plz compare the both chapter ...
When did Jesus talked to abhram ? As Jesus claimed in chptr John ????
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” (1 John 5:7 KJV)
+Dango Daikazoku
One person?
One God?
The truth is, it does not say either.
God Bless
This teacher understands exactly what the Bible says. Saying the trinity means each member is not the same and that the Holy Spirit is not God is blasphemous. There is only ONE GOD, ONE LORD, ONE ALMIGHTY, ONE YEHOWAH.
Genesis 15: The Word of the Lord comes to Abraham takes him outside his tent and shows him his future; descendants as numerous as the stars. He then in Gen 15: 7 says to Abraham.. " I am the Lord who brought you out of Ur...... " While this could be argued to be a vision, verses 9 onwards has the Lord command Abraham to bring a heifer, goat and ram along with a dove and a young pigeon with which he makes a covenant with Abraham. We need to ask ourselves would the Lord enter into something as important and binding with someone in a vision!
Trinity: Oneness in unity not in number: Yachid vs. Echad
"Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [Echad]!" Deuteronomy 6:4
The Holy Spirit chose to use the Hebrew word, "echad" which is used most often as a unified one, and sometimes as numeric oneness. For example, when God said in Genesis 2:24 "the two shall become one [echad] flesh" it is the same word for "one" that was used in Deut 6:4.
This is most troubling for Anti-Trinitarians since the word yachid, the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness, is never used in reference to God
ECHAD UNIFIED ONE HEN
Gen 2:24 two become one Man + Woman Matt 19:5
Deut 6:4 God is one
Father + Son + Spirit Mk 12:29
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness:
1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.(If GOD is Love how can he be One, to be Love then, GOD must be have been in an Eternal relationship)
I think the world NEEDS to know the truth about Jesus the Christ and about the Trinity thanks for the explanation ‼‼‼‼‼‼
+Jacqueline Edwards
You are right....satan has the majority of professing Christians, fooled.
The speaker said that God dwells in a particular place in space, but God Himself said, "Heaven IS MY THRONE and the earth is my footstool." This scripture proves that all of heaven is God's throne so God's throne could not be in a particular location in space. What verse says that the Holy Spirit was created? The speaker even cited John 4:23-24 which proves that the One Holy Spirit of God is the Spirit of God the Father Himself. The speaker even quoted Ephesians 4:3-6 which proves that the "One Spirit" is the Spirit of "One Lord" who is that "One God and Father above all, through all, and in you all." He cited Job 34:14-15 which states "His Spirit and His Breath" which references God the Father's Spirit and Breath. He cited Psalm 139:7 which says, "Where shall I go from YOUR SPIRIT? Or where shall I flee from YOUR PRESENCE." Note the words, "YOUR SPIRIT!" Whose Spirit is the Psalmist addressing other than the Father's? Also notice that the words "Your presence" is also addressing the presence of the Father. Could an alleged created force or power actually be the "Spirit" and "presence" of God the Father while still being distinct from Him? These scriptures do not support a Trinity either because the Holy Spirit is spoken of as the Spirit and presence of the Father Himself. If a finite man who is made after the spiritual image of God enters into a room, his own spirit and presence walks into that room and not his created power distinct from Himself!Nehemiah 9:30 states "Your Spirit in your prophets." Could God have been without a Spirit before the Spirit of God was allegedly created? If so, then how can man be made in the image of God if God's Spirit is not really His? 2 Peter 1:21 states that "the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man, but holy men spoke as they were moved BY THE HOLY SPIRIT." yet 1 Peter 1:11 calls that Spirit "the Spirit of Christ." "The Spirit of Christ which was in them (the prophets) testified beforehand of the sufferings of Christ and the glory that would follow." Luke 1:35 proves that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit who became the human spirit of Christ. Peter had simply identified the Holy Spirit of God as the identical Spirit which also became Christ in 1 Peter 1:11."The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you. For that reason the holy child shall be called the Son of God." Luke 1:35Luke 1:35 could not support a Trinity because the Holy Spirit incarnated Himself as a man rather than an alleged God the Son. Also notice that the Son was called "The Son of God" "FOR THIS REASON", the reason of his virgin conception and birth. Therefore the Son could not have always existed as a Son throughout eternity past. Jesus only pre-existed his birth as the Holy Spirit of the Father. That is why Jesus said, "he that has seen me HAS SEEN THE FATHER." And again, "Before Abraham was I AM." John 8:58
why did the INSPIRED writers of the NT applied to Jesus OT passages that spoke ONLY of YHWH. And here they are: # 1- OT Isaiah 40:3-5 applied to Jesus in the NT here Matt. 3:3-6; Mark 1:2-4; Luke 1:76; 3:2-6; John 1:22, 23. # 2- OT Isaiah 6:1-10 applied to Jesus in the NT here John 12:36-42. # 3- OT Isaiah 45:22-25 applied to Jesus in the NT here Ph. 2:10. # 4- OT Zechariah 12:8-10 applied to Jesus in the NT here John 19:34-37. # 5- OT Psalm 24:7-10 applied to Jesus in the NT here 1 Cor. 2:7, 8. # 6- OT Joel 2:32 applied to Jesus in the NT here Rom. 10:13. # 7- OT Psalm 34:8 applied to Jesus in the NT here 1 Pet. 2:3, 4. # 8- OT Malachi 4:5, 6 applied to Jesus in the NT here Luke 1:16, 17. # 9- OT Isaiah 44:6; 48:12 applied by Jesus to Himself and recorded by John in the NT here Rev. 1:17, 18; 2:8; 22:12-16. Besides all this evidence, John used Genesis 1:1 creation terminology when he referred to Jesus in John 1:1-3. The apostle Paul did the same in Colo. 1:15-17. So did the writer of Hebrews in Heb. 1:2, 3. And in Heb. 1:10-12, he quoted Psalm 102:25-27 WORD FOR WORD, which vividly describes God in His Creator and Eternal attributes and applied it to Jesus!
Understanding the thinking/belief of this sermon; however, it's not as easy/clear cut as seemingly presented.
Also, this is the second video of similar thought that I've listen too, which doesn't mention the scripture from gospel of John, where Jesus tells the Jewish authorities to there question, 'who are you'... "before Abraham was, I Am!"
Galatians 1:1 {Father raised Jesus from dead}
Paul, an apostle, not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;
John 2:19-21 {Jesus raised himself from dead}
Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”
They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” But the temple he had spoken of was his body.
Matthew 26:61
and declared, “This fellow said, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days.’”
Romans 8:11 {Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead}
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that
raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Acts 3:26 {God raised Son from the dead}
Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in
turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
Thessalonians 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
Hebrews 13:20
Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that
great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
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Psalms 33:6 {God states the word created all}
By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear
Hebrews 1:10 {The Father admits the Son created all}
And, Thou, Lord, {kurios} in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.
John 1:1, 2,3,14 {The Holy Spirit admits the Word created all}
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word.
He was in [the] beginning with God. All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing] which has come into being.
And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us,
Colossians 1:16-17 {Jesus created all things} John 1:3
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins.
Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of every creature:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him. And for him: And he is before all things. And by him all things consist.
All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was
made
John 1:9-10
The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world.
He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.
Job 26:13 33:4 {Holy Spirit created us}
By his Spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.
The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
Genesis 1:2
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Isaiah 42:5 45:18 {God created all things so who is he?} Psalm 104:5
Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
For this is what the LORD says-he who created the heavens, he is God;
he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited-he says:
“I am the LORD, and there is no other.
Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heaven alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; Who laid the foundations of the earth,
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God ( 'ĕlôhîym (el-o-heem') Plural ) created the heaven and the earth.
Here The Father is portrayed as the creative source of all things.
Genesis 1:2
“.. and the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.”
Here, in the second verse of Genesis, the Spirit of God appears as active in the creation process
.
Genesis 1:3
“Then God said, “Let there be light; and there was light.”
The Son, the eternal Word of God, speaks the first of Gods works into existence.
John 5:37 {Jesus states we have never heard the Fathers voice }
And the father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
SO who spoke to Moses?
Jeremiah 32:17
Ah Lord God! Behold, thou hast made the heaven and the earth by thy great power and stretched out arm, and there is nothing too hard for thee.
Psalm 102:25,
"Of old Thou didst found the earth; and the heavens are the work of Thy hands."
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And Yet God is one
Mark 12:28
And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all ? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is,
Hear, O Israel;
The Lord our God is one Lord:
Psalm 119:18
Open my eyes to see wonderful things in your Word.
In His Service,
Job 38:2
“Who is this that questions my wisdom with such ignorant words?
Job 42:3
"You ask how I dare question your wisdom(YHWH) when I am so very ignorant. I talked about things I did not understand, about marvels too great for me to know.
I never thought as a young person in 1972 after I received Jesus Christ in my heart and I repented of my sin I was washed clean by the living waters Jesus Christ he washed me clean as he says in Isaiah 1:18 when he interned my heart I met with the the living God as Jesus said if you seen me you seen the father. I was 11 and received Jesus by faith of a child. And Jesus said must have faith of a child. Be born again in Jesus Christ be washed in his blood in his HolyGhost! By faith because he also said do not turn away children for such is the kingdom of God. Thank you my LORD for your forgiveness of our sins only by Jesus Christ you can be forgiven no other.
If you don’t believe Jesus is God, then how do you explain Hebrews 1 and Revelation 1?
To understand the nature of God we must start in Genesis, look at how God reveals himself to his creation. And then look at how the Jews of the 1st century tried to make sense of their own scriptures
Jehovah all mighty God!
Then jesus!
And God said: LET US CREATE MANKIND AFTER OUR LIKENESS........GOD ONE PERSON YET THREE SEPARATE PEOPLE, GOD IS EVERYWHERE ALL AT THE SAME SAME TIME, SOMETHING WE WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND UNTIL WE ARE THERE.
" thank you for explaining the real truth
He is never mentioned "God The Son" because HE é "The Son" only for us.
HE is The Word, and you and almost all human beens forget that, when start to talk about Him...
First and forever, He is The Word of The Creator.
That's why He claims to be, before Abraham.
He was NOT Jesus before Abraham.
He received this name here, on earth - Acts 4:12...
...and The Scripture teaches clearly that...
"...Giuing thanks vnto the Father, which hath made vs meete to be partakers of the inheritance of the Saints in light:
Who hath deliuered vs from the power of darkenesse, and hath translated vs into the kingdome of his deare Sonne,
In whom we haue redemption through his blood, euen the forgiuenesse of sinnes:
Who is the image of the inuisible God, the first borne of euery creature.
For by him were all things created that are in heauen, and that are in earth, visible and inuisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him.
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
And hee is the head of the body, the Church: who is the beginning, the first borne from the dead, that in all things he might haue the preeminence:
For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulnesse dwell,
And (hauing made peace through the blood of his crosse) by him to reconcile all things vnto himself, by him, I say, whether they bee things in earth, or things in heauen." (Colossenses 1:12-20, KJV 1611)
...and...
"...As yee haue therefore receiued Christ Iesus the Lord, so walke yee in him:
Rooted and built vp in him, and stablished in the faith, as yee haue bene taught, abounding therein with thankesgiuing.
Beware lest any man spoile you through Philosophie and vaine deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ:
For in him dwelleth all the *FULNESSE* of the Godhead bodily." (Colossenses 2:6-9, KJV 1611 - enphasis added)
The problem is that you don't even know what this verses are talking about because you don't have "received Him" like that...
But you insist that Jesus is just a special man with "God's character".
critical thinker Christians make mistakes, it's hardly a mistake if I've had my reply sitting there for ages and continue to say it's true.
I ask the people in this video, the producers, and supporters since you are so adamant about a non trinitarian view are you also as adamant about Sunday worship vs the seventh day sabbath? Do you oppose Sunday worship? It is also a doctrine of the RCC.
so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive.
11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. 12 It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, 13 while we wait for the blessed hope-the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.
Titus 1:10-14
Hmm. According to Paul in his letter to Titus, God is our Savior (v. 10), and Jesus is our "great God and Savior" (v. 13). More to come.
+Brandon Ward
Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,[a] 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,[b] being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:6-11 ESV)
Hmm. Several things here. Jesus is "in the form of God," equal with God in the form of a man, and furthermore, everyone is to worship him by declaring him Lord. There's no question what this means.
Pretty powerful words.
+Brandon Ward
sorry for the double post here. I honestly don't know how that happened. The first part us more corrected than the repeat.
Micah 5:2
2 And you, O Bethʹle·hem Ephʹra·thah,+
The one too little to be among the thousands* of Judah,
From you will come out for me the one to be ruler in Israel,+
Whose origin is from ancient times, from the days of long ago.
Re 3:14“To the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ceʹa write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God
When the devil tempted Jesus at the top of the mountain, Jesus said "Thou shall not tempt the Lord thy God". Jesus was the one tempted here, why did Jesus said this if he was not God.
Hmm Now I got your point...
Peter Rock
God bless you
Somethings are missing. I just list two. The Word was God and the Word became flesh (John 1) . Jesus is the alpha and Omega (revelation 1:8) There is no way you can go around that Jesus is not Devine.
why then our lord Jesus Christ said go and preach the Gospel and baptizing them in the name of The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit , and didn't Our lord Jesus Christ said the He and the and the Father is one , thus mysteries of the oneness of God is unincomprehencable by men
The early Nicene Creed was not fully Trinitarian. The so called Athanasius Creed (not written by Athanasius) was not fully developed until the late fifth century. The historical data proves that the majority of the signers of original Nicene Creed of 325 were either Modalist or somewhere between Modalism and Arianism (Semi-Arianism).
Pelikan wrote that Marcellus of Ancyra “proved an embarrassment to Nicene Orthodoxy” because he and other
“Sabellian” Monarchians were among “the signers in 325.” The Emergence of the Catholic Tradition, Vol. 1, Pg. 207
Pelikan wrote that only “Arius refused to sign the Nicene Creed … he was joined, apparently by only two of the council fathers. All of the rest saluted the emperor and signed the formula, and went on teaching as they always had.” The Emergence of the Catholic Tradition, Vol. 1, Pg. 203 The early fifth century church historian Socrates of Constantinople wrote that five refused to sign the original Nicene Creed but two who were banished later acquiesced and signed (see Socrates of Constantinople - below). This explains why Pelikan wrote that only Arius and
two others refused to sign the creed (because two of the five later signed the creed after having been exiled.
Socrates of Constantinople was an early fifth century church historian (born 380 -died 439). In his fifth century book,
“The History of the Church,” Socrates wrote that five who attended the Nicene council refused to sign the creed in 325.
“This creed was recognized and agreed to by 318 members of council, who being, as Eusebius says, unanimously signed up to it. There (were) only five who refused to sign, objecting to the term homoousios, “of the same substance.” They were Eusebius bishop of Nicomedia, Theognis of Nice, Maris of Chalcedon, Theonas of Marmarica, and Secundus of Ptolemaïs.”
Pelikan wrote, “All the rest saluted the emperor, signed the formula, and went right on teaching as they always had. In the case of most of them, this meant a doctrine of Christ somewhere between that of Arius (Arianism) and that of Alexander (Sabellianism).”
If Pelikan is correct in his assessment, the majority of the Bishops who first signed the Nicene Creed of 325, were “Semi-Arians” because they were “somewhere between Arianism and Sabellianism.”
The Emergence of the Catholic Tradition, Pg. 203The Encyclopedia Britannica says that “Alexander(s), (the) bishop of Alexandria from 313 to 328, whose views appeared to tend toward Sabellianism (a heresy that taught that God was manifested in progressive modes).”
Of course there were others who held Sabellian / Modalistic views during the Council of Nicaea, such as
Marcellus of Ancyra, Eustathius of Antioch, and Photinus of Galatia - but the majority of believers were neither true Trinitarians, nor true Modalists.
Both Eustathius and Marcellus (both Modalists) were later exiled by the same emperor who convened the Council of Nicaea (Constantine, 325) for their Sabellian views along with Athansius who was closer to Trinitarian theology (334-335) at that time.
THE SEVENTH CANON OF THE COUNCIL OF CONSTANTINOPLE (381) PROVES THAT ARIAN AND SABELLIAN THEOLOGY WAS STILL PREVALENT AT THE END
OF THE FOURTH CENTURY.
Those who from heresy turn to orthodoxy, and to the portion of those who are being saved, we receive according to the following method and custom: Arians,
and Macedonians, and Sabbatians, and Novatians, who call
themselves Cathari or Aristori, and Quarto-decimans or Tetradites, and Apollinarians (APOLLINARIANISM: AN ERRONEOUS ONENESS VIEW IN WHICH JESUS IS GOD THE FATHER
WHO ONLY DWELLS IN AN EXTERNAL SHELL OF HUMAN FLESH), we receive, upon their giving a written renunciation [of their errors] and anathematize every heresy which is not in accordance with the Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church of God. Thereupon,
they are first sealed or anointed with the holy oil upon the forehead, eyes,
nostrils, mouth, and ears; and when we seal them, we say, “The Seal of the gift of the Holy Ghost.” But Eunomians, who are baptized with only one immersion (PROBABLY ONENESS), and Montanists, who are here called Phrygians, and Sabellians (DEFINITELY ONENESS), who teach the identity of Father and Son, and do sundry other mischievous things, and [the partisans of] all other heresies-for there are many such here, particularly among those who
come from the country of the Galatians:-all these, when they desire to turn to orthodoxy, we receive as heathen. On the first day we make them Christians; on the second, catechumens; on the third, we exorcise them by breathing thrice in their face and ears; and thus we instruct them and oblige them to spend some time in the Church, and to hear the Scriptures; and then we baptize them.
THE EARLY NICENE CREED AND THE WORD HOMOSIOUS
All that we know about the teaching of Sabellius comes from the
writings of his opponents because his writings were later lost
or destroyed by the RCC as alleged heresy; so it is obvious that his
detractors twisted and perverted his illustration of the sun and its rays
as being God Himself. Christ is a mode of Being of the Father as a
man. Although the man is lower than the God, the deity of the God who became
the man is the same homousious (nature of Being) as the Father.
The words of Sabellius were later incorporated into the early Nicene
Creed (325).
The Encyclopedia Britannica states, "homoousios, in Christianity, the key term of the Christological doctrine formulated at the first ecumenical council, at Nicaea in 325, to affirm that God the Son and God
the Father are of the same substance. The Council of Nicaea, presided over by
the emperor Constantine, was convened to resolve the controversy within the
church over the relationship between the persons of the Trinity. The council
condemned Arianism, which taught that Christ was more than human but not fully
divine. The use of homoousios (Greek: “of one substance”) in the Nicene Creed
was meant to put an end to the controversy, although the influence of Arianism
persisted in the church for centuries. In 381 Emperor Theodosius I summoned the
second ecumenical council, the first Council of Constantinople, which produced
a creed that also contained the word homoousios and became the definitive
statement of orthodox belief."
The historical evidence suggests that the Modalistic Monarchian idea of
the "homoousious" of the Father and the Son being the same substance
was incorporated into the Nicene Creed of 325 AD. That is why only the Arian
heresy was rejected but not the theology of Modalistic Monarchianism. Although
a small group of Christian leaders condemned Sabellius and Paul of Samasota at
Antioch in 267 AD, the Roman Catholic Church was not developed into a single
religious institution throughout the Roman Empire at this time. Therefore the
church as a whole did not condemn Sabellius in 267 but only a small segment of
professing Christian leaders in the vicinity of Antioch.
Thomas Browning (Graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary) stated that the modalistic monarchian theology of Sabellius was influential in the Nicene Creed itself.
"But the man most representative of modalistic monarchianism was a man named Sabellius (222 AD).
Sabellius was much more sophisticated than Noetus ... Sabellius tried to solve the problem by using the illustration of the sun and its rays. The Father was the sun. Jesus is considered to be a dominate ray. He was projected for a while and then withdrawn back into the substance of the Father ... Sabellius could say Jesus was 'Light of Lights' and even 'homousias'. Jesus was 'Light of Lights' in that He was LIKE A RAY OF THE SUN, He emanated from the Father. He was 'homousias' in that he was of the same substance as the Father."
The History of the Doctrine of Justification, Chapter one "The Person of Christ" Post Tenebras Lux, Page 5 © 2010 Thomas R. Browning
Thomas Browning goes on to state, "Now what’s interesting is the way the Nicene Creed uses these exact terms. If you will take a moment and turn in your hymnal to page 846, you will see the repetition of the very words that Sabellius thought so important” In the Nicene Creed!
THE NICENE CREED - We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only‐begotten Son of God, begotten of his Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father; by whom all things were made; who for us and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; he suffered and was buried; and the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven,
and is seated at the right hand of the Father; and he shall come again, with
glory, to judge both the living and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.
Thomas Browning commented on the use of the exact wording of Sabellius in the Nicene Creed.
"If you will look at the seventh line, you will notice the phrase “light of light”. While in the ninth line, you will notice the phrase “being of one substance with the Father;” which is the English translation of “homousias”. Now what are we to conclude regarding those two phrases? It seems either the Nicene
Creed is thoroughly Sabellian or something had occurred that was so gigantic in proportions that the church felt the need to go back to language that had been previously condemned in order to fight off whatever this new super threat happened to be (Arianism)."
Thomas Browning continues, "Now here is the interesting part. At
the Council of Antioch (in 267), the church repudiated the idea of Christ being
'homousias' with the Father. They changed the phrase 'homousias to the phrase
'homoiousias'. The difference between the two words is extremely important,
even though in Greek the difference between the two words is just one letter.
The emphasis put on the difference of the one letter led Edward Gibbon to write
in the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire that never in the history of the
world had there been so much energy spent over a single vowel."
The History of the Doctrine of Justification, Chapter one "The
Person of Christ" Post Tenebras Lux, Page 6 © 2010 Thomas R. Browning
This is why I believe that many of the Bishops who signed the original
Nicene Creed in 325, such as Marcellus of Ancyra, Alexander of
Alexandria, and Eustathius of Antioch (who were identified by their
contemporaries as Sabellians), likely held to Modalistic Monarchian
(Oneness) views which were later condemned by the so called Athanasius Creed in
the late fifth century. It was not until the late fifth century that the
RCC spelled out their later Trinitarian theology as "three
coequal" and "three co-eternal" distinct divine
"persons." It was also in the fifth century that the RCC incorporated
Mariology into its ecumenical Councils. THE ORIGINAL NICENE CREED HARMONIZES WITH ONENESS THEOLOGY
The original Nicene Creed can be affirmed by Oneness Pentecostals (Modalists) as the creed
was vague and could be interpreted in favor of Oneness theology. The only group
that could not have affirmed that creed was the Arians. "We believe in one God the Father All-sovereign, maker of all things." Oneness
Pentecostals affirm!
"And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father, only-begotten, that
is, of the substance of the Father," Oneness Pentecostals also affirm (Heb. 1:3)!
"God of God, Light of Light, true God of true God,"
With a correct understanding of God's omnipresence, Modalists could have agreed. The One true God the Father entered into a new existence by becoming a man. He was born as a
human being so he can also be called "God of (from) God, Light of light, true God of true God." Modalists could have agreed with these words by affirming that the man Christ Jesus is also called God (but not two coequal God Persons). We have One true God the Father and one man who is also called that selfsame God because the Son is the "radiance" and
"glory" of the Father's substance of Being as a human being. As long
as we are not talking about two coequal and co-eternal God Persons Oneness
Pentecostals could agree!
"begotten not made, of one substance with the Father,"
The human being called the Son of God was made (by his birth) but His deity
could never have been made! Therefore the words, "begotten
(born) not made" could be interpreted in favor of both Oneness and
Trinitarian theologies. The Son was "made" by being born of a
woman but He who became that child born and son given is the uncreated God
Himself with us as a man. Thus the true identity of He who was
begotten could never have been made. Hence Oneness Pentecostals affirm!
"through whom all things were made, things in heaven and things on the earth;"
The scriptures prove that all things were created by the impersonal word (logos) of God
(Psalm 33:6 / John 1:2-3) which later became the man Christ Jesus. Jesus
already pre-existed his birth as the expressed "thought,"
wisdom," and "mind" of God (an aspect of God the Father
Himself) which was impersonal before that word (logos) became flesh as a human
person (Romans 4:17). Thus Oneness Pentecostals can affirm!
"who for us men and for our salvation came down and was made flesh, and became man,
suffered, and rose on the third day, ascended into the heavens, and is coming
to judge living and dead."
No problem for Oneness Pentecostals!
"And in the Holy Spirit." No problem! Oneness Pentecostals believe in the Holy Spirit as a manifestation of the only true God the Father.
"And those that say 'There was when he was not,' and, 'Before he was begotten he was
not,'"
If we are solely addressing the human Son of God and Son of Man (the human Son had a beginning) we would strongly disagree with the above affirmation. However, if we are
addressing the One who became that child born and son given then we can agree
that the unbegotten God has always existed because there was never a time when
the One true God "WAS NOT." Thus Oneness Pentecostals can also agree!
"and that, 'He came into being from what-is-not,'”
No problem for Oneness Pentecostals! Jesus was born of the virgin.
"or those that allege, that the son of God is 'Of another substance or essence'"
No problem!
Jesus is not of another divine substance or essence because His deity is of the
same substance as the Father (Heb. 1:3) - God with us as a man. Oneness
Pentecostals agree!
"or 'created,' or 'changeable' or 'alterable,'"
The human Son was created by his virgin conception but He (the
fullness of the deity) who became that child born and son given is the
uncreated and unchangeable God. The essence of the divine being of the only
true God the Father remained omnipotent, omniscient, and
omnipresent while His own holy arm was revealed as the man Christ Jesus
(Isaiah 53:1; 59:16; 52:10).
Oneness Pentecostals agree!
"these the Catholic and Apostolic Church anathematizes."
The word "Catholic" simply means "universal." Ignatius of Antioch
first used the words "universal church" so we have no problem with
the words "universal" or "catholic."
Oneness Pentecostals reject all who disbelieve in the full deity of Jesus Christ.
Wherefore, many Modalistic Monarchian Bishops would not have been persecuted or banished by the Nicene Creed of 325 AD.
We Oneness
Pentecostals can also agree with the revised Constantinopolitan Creed (381)
except for the added words about worshipping the Holy Spirit as a distinct
entity.
“And in the Holy
Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceeded from the Father, who with the
Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified, who spake by the
prophets. In one holy catholic and apostolic Church;"
ONENESS PENTECOSTALS REJECT THE REVISED CONSTANTINOPOLITAN CREED of 381 A.D. because
the scriptures do not support worshipping the Holy Spirit as a separate entity.
We worship the only true God the Father in Spirit and in truth. When we worship
Jesus, we are worshipping the full incarnation of that only true God the
Father. The Holy Spirit is none other than the omnipresent Spirit of the only
true God the Father, a manifestation of the true God Himself!
"we acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; we look for the resurrection
of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
Most Protestants, Baptists, and Evangelicals cannot subscribe to the
Constantinopolitan Creed because they do not believe that baptism is "for
the remission of sins," but Oneness Pentecostals do!We sincerely hope that Trinitarians will stop misrepresenting what Oneness Pentecostals
actually believe.
Notice how the original Nicene Creed never said anything about three distinct divine persons. The historical evidence proves that Eustathius of Antioch was a Oneness preacher who signed the Nicene Creed. Eustathius condemned Eusebius for teaching Arianism while pointing out that Eusebius' theology was against the Nicene Creed of 325. Church historian John Henry Newman wrote that the Oneness Modalists were the majority of Christian believers in the third century and that they were still very prevalent in the early fourth.“In the time of Dionysius of Alexandria (248-264), THE MAJORITY (of Christians) were PATRIPASSIAN (meaning “Father Sufferers” or “Sabellians”); but in the time of Alexander (310-326) they (the Sabellians) advocated the Emanative, as it may be called, or in-dwelling theory.”
The Arians of the Fourth Century. By Historian John Henry Newman, Page 124.
Which one of the divine "Us" in John 17:21 is not God?
Which one of the divine "We" in John 17:22 is not God?
Which one of the divine "We" in John 14:23 is not God?
this is awesome!! i will see 3 gods up in heaven when i die!!! but they are one!!!! yey
With all these facts written in the bible, somebody will still say Jesus is God and he died for him.
+Vito Budrys
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I perceive you are one who does a little thinking along with the knowledge you have received. I appreciate conversations with such a one.
So, in the 1st sentence of your response you do see the possibility that God indeed can be referenced as a plural being as the context suggests, (although not necessarily so). Your thoughts are that the plural words used to refer to God are indicative of HIS greatness.
The question then is, whether all these references to God that you have pointed out ...
"Lord, Father, the Holy Spirit, Shepherd, Fortress, Shield, Buckler, the Eternal spirit, Holy, Righteous, the Redeemer, Rock"
... are one in the same person or more than one person. Perhaps 3. (Actually some of these that you mentioned are attributes, but that's outside the scope of our discussion.)
I'd like to ask you this. If, (that HUGE two letter word) if it can be demonstrated in scripture that 3 different persons exist, and that each of these 3 persons is called GOD, would that perhaps cause you to at least reconsider your current view?
The Second Adam continued: Jesus was given genetic perfection by God, but had to earn behavioral perfection thus he remained obedient to God thru what he suffered. He grew in favor with God and man. If he could not have sinned then he was NOT make flesh and blood like Adam or exactly as (we) his brethren, and his accomplishment thru death would have little meaning for us. The Scriptures clearly state that God cannot sin. In the book of Acts all the demons knew exactly who Jesus was. Why would Satan have even bothered to temp Jesus in the wilderness if he thought HE was God????
I think inspiringphilosophy got that information about the Trinity from c.s. Lewis book, mere Christianity. Amen and Shalom :)
The bishops expressed what they had been taught. That is why they rejected Arius.
+Peter Bernard
It is not Arius who is being served, it is Jesus, along with *HIS* beliefs and teachings.
WE MUST worship The ONE same GOD whom Jesus Christ worships!
God Bless
43:39 In this verse Jesus is called The Mighy God, the Everlasting Father,..
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
John 1:3
3 All things came into existence through him,+ and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.
What has come into existence
Genesis 1:26
26 Then God said: “Let us+ make man in our image,+ according to our likeness,+ and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.”+
all I can say to this is DUH. "I am One and my name is One."
Awesome..thank you :)
Doctrine of the Trinity: Matthew 28:19 (NKJV), "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"
ISA.9"6- For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
if Jesus was not God in flesh then there is no salvation for anyone because it would be Jesus who died on the cross and not God and Jesus risen not God . If God didnt die he couldnt rise again , but they were one and the same ? salvation would be possible .
JESUS AS CO-CREATOR: Ephesians 3:9 (NKJV), "...in God who created all things through Jesus Christ"