As someone who played OW 2, I wasn't surprised to see the prices. Games expect us to pay $10, $15, or even $20 for a skin and then release extensions of the game in parts for $15 each, and then a Battle Pass that automatically unlocks the new character for $10. It does get... A little ridiculous.
Yeah, buddy. Would be nice to see a bit more free fan service stuff. Keep all of the paid stuff, prices, whatever. But don't intentionally make all free skins uninteresting or forgettable, with only cool shit being a dollar on a fishing pole. If I worked for a game company, I'd totally work off the clock once in a while on the weekend to release a cool skin, as a thank you to the community at least a couple of times a year. Make a social media release and thank the community. Make it a community series where the team does a new character each time. Obviously that'd require a blessing from the boss and agreement from the other parts involved, but I think it could be easy to get everyone on board if as an artist you draft a couple ideas and say you would want to do it.
CSGO had an almost acceptable micro transactions for skins, considering you could earn boxes and skins and then sell them, which then allowed you to buy keys to open boxes and sell those for even more money if you got something rare, which was really cool back when I played in 2014, even then skins were somewhat outrageously expensive going into the hundreds. And the only skin I remember being wild was the Howl, which went for thousands. And there was obviously the glaring problem of gambling, and eventually how inflated skins actually became. But the fact that it could have been a recycle with skins and boxes makes me wonder how we could implement that into games these days without the worst of those issues.
OW2 has pretty much destroyed Overwatch all the crazy monetization in OW 2 is such shit especially since you earn barely any premium currency playing through.
I'm in the same boat that the prices themselves aren't the issue, but the combination of you needing to spend real money to unlock it, you can't have duplicate characters in a match (for obvious reasons), and the fact there's already a lobby dodging problem, it's just gonna make DLC launches feel rough unless they make some significant changes. There's also the argument of the new characters introducing a Pay-to-Win element, because from what we've seen from the leaks, the new characters might have some strong abilities.
Yea, from what I can tell as a non-player, why don't they just... have you pick your choice FIRST, then automatically put you into a lobby? The Bubba fans are out there... they just are probably suffering just as much waiting until they happen to get next in the "queue" of lobby dodgers.
I do think the pricing is a little high, especially without a way to grind. A lot of the time on DBD (sorry), I get excited when I have enough iri shards to shop around for a cool cosmetic in the store. It would be cool if TCM at least had something like that, to make it feel like I have a goal. Because it feels really good to have something to show for the time I've invested in playing a game. It kinda feels like a small "thanks" from the developers tbh. Sure, it isn't the GRANDEST gesture, but it's nice and it keeps things moving. Doesn't hurt, and it shouldn't be that difficult to add. It's not like thinking up a pricing structure was hard, simply apply that to an in game currency that you creatively named, implement it, and you've probably done a lot to help the livelihood of your game. I hope they're doing more than just "looking into it", I guess is my point.
"preferred characters" list (you can pick what you want before hand) would be a good way to avoid the lobby dodging, so when you load into the game, you can play as a preferred character, with that character already selected, along with everyone else (& hopefully matchmaking would make it so everyone had picked a different preferred character) Obv the more popular thr character the longer the que times but thats just how it is.
I don't mind the nicotera price tag, it is designed by someone famous who's time and artistry is pretty valuable. The normal pricing structure is where you lose me because i can buy a whole DBD chapter (6 survivor perks, 3 killer perks and 2 survivor skins) for 15$ where as they actually expect me to buy each character (that is limited to ONE OF EACH per lobby) for 10$? Nah bro i'll just hop on DBD.
Ive seen a lot of content creators saying they are going to buy it because they believe Gun will lower future prices after they buy it at this high price. Like what?
@aliceviens7 so a company will see people buying it at this price and come to the conclusion they should lower it? Or the logical scenario of "hey people are buying them, no need to adjust"
I disagree with you on the state of the game. The price of families/victims is too much without any way to earn the characters. the lobbying dodging will make people not wanted to play tcm.
The lobby issue for killer is a pain. I mod for someone who streams TCM and he really enjoys playing the cook and yeah he sees people come in and leave cause the only killer they're waiting for is Bubba. Really think this issue needs to be addressed more. Sure the pricing can be expensive for some (I for one still not bought TCM yet) but hopefully the devs do offers/sales etc within the game so players can buy these items.
i bought the game, played a single match that took 10 min of lobby becuase people kept dodging, once i got in the controls felt extremely clunky and weird. after that one match i saw that it was not as good as people made it up to be and i promptly refunded it
I don't play the game but i do think that the devs needs to have a very long discussion about whether they should sell the characters as they have planned, have a package that includes characters or just give it for free so then no one would be super pissed about how they paid for the character yet they cant even play it.
I kinda understand that pricing. Yeah, it's high and alienating players who can't afford to buy gameplay DLCs (characters). But also, it is a game that's sitting on a high cost license, either they have to repay some kind of loan that let them have it or they need to make enough to accomodate the licensing monthly fee on top of being able to pay their workers. What I don't understand is developer getting into fights on twitter with people who complain - like, that can't be good. Also, about issues, I'm stunned that they didn't just get that matchmaking system present in League of Legends or Smite, where you pick who you'd want to play and if possible game would try to accomodate you (and if not, dodging lobby is met with penalty). Without that it will become a problem (unless they'll just remove no clones restriction). From what I saw game already is a lobby simulator, which turns people off from playing it.
Leatherface has 3 skins and literally no other family members have one. Why would you not give them each one first? Also if premium content is just the bundles that include everything than it wont be to bad.
I have loved watching people play this game and thought about buying it for myself to play but these recent news about future pricing and them not having an other way to earn future content it has turned me away a lot from even wanting to try to play it.
I grew up playing a lot of various types of games since the 90s. I hate how the gaming industry has turned into this. Live service has just continued to disappoint game after game. OW”2”, Diablo 4, are my most recent heartbreaks and I’m jaded af. I enjoy this game a lot with friends, but it gets old after 40 hrs when you sit half of that time in a lobby. The character progression is just so slow and I feel like im wasting my time playing the “lobby” game. It’a kind of like paying to get into Disneyland, only to get on a couple rides. Im 33, gotta job, bills to pay, other life shit to do. I love this hobby, but I do value my time a lot and I don’t wanna waste it by sitting in a lobby for more time than actually playing a game.
I honestly do think this could seriously harm (or outright kill the game) for two of the reasons you mentioned: The lobby dodging and people who will just stop playing because they don't want to pay for the characters Right now, I spend far too much time sitting in the damn lobby that it just sucks my desire to play the game sometimes. Lobby dodging is bad now but it feels like it's going to be a hundred times worse once the DLC comes out. I don't care who I play as so I likely won't get the characters until this game demonstrates it has some actual staying power but I'm not going to sit there for 6, 7, 10 minutes trying to get into a game as all the HAVES fight over getting to play their DLC people while the HAVE NOTS sit there twiddling their thumbs. You didn't mention it but the DLC potentially becoming a Pay to Win thing will also kill the vibe real fast if Gun gets too cute with the DLC and makes them the clear #1 choice when playing the game. DBD arguably has a bit of this to it but that's a lot easier to swallow when characters are $3-5 a pop rather than $10...
Personally, I think the pricing is a HUGE issue. A character skin, an animation, and a weapon skin cost nearly half the cost of the game, for a paid game that's absolutely ridiculous. I WANT TCM to do well, give DbD some real competition and force them to innovate in better ways; ultimately it's what's best for the community. And while I don't think this is going to be a game killer, it's kinda ridiculous to charge that much money for something like that. If this was EA doing it, we'd be calling them out for "typical EA greed", but b/c it's a game that people WANT to do well (for obvious and understandable reasons) I feel people are trying to justify something that under other circumstances, they'd be crying out about. That's just my 2 cents anyway, I was doing research about getting this game but if this is their monetization model, I think I'll sadly have to pass. I hope they fix things in the future, and that they take good care of the community they have
Chargung 16$ for a special skin with special spunds, special DESIGNER etc is absolutely okay. It's a skin and if people don't want to buy it, they don't buy it. Charging 10$ for ONE character is insane to me. I'm not used to that and I definitely am not able to spend that in a game that I've recently bought for 40€. We've heard it many time "people aren't guaranteed to play them" blah blah blah. I don't think that it will kill the game per se but I do think that it will give the game more of a negative view and at the worst, a pretty big hit in the playerbase
I'm not saying that I want the game to die, but with its que system and how picking characters works 10$ for a SINGLE character, not for a chapter with both and extra stuff for one WILL kill the game if the Devs hope to get money from TCM.
I understand what yer saying only thing I can see is just as bad. You’d have to have your character randomly selected to be fair as it would break the game if you had 4 Ana’s with the toughness perk. Or just for humors sake imagine a match with 3 cooks and a wall gap accessible only area
@@shadowfoxx8696 the fact that you have to play different characters isn't bad, there will be various different character, all of them fun enough to main at least 2 but the issue is what's the point of playing this game, if to have that choice and variety you have to pay for it each time
@@Mono-kp2qw I was’nt even replying to the paying part that’s kinda just the cherry on top. Right now we kinda are forced to play certain characters but that’s only due to there being only 5 or so of each. Keep in mind I’m on console as well, the lobby times seem to be better on pc from a number of streams I watch
Although to add to this. I personally work for a corporation and I’ve seen a lot shady stuff lately skimming money, layoffs, skeleton crews, I have a few friends in the gaming industry I may ask them if they’ve noticed anything. I’m starting to notice this cash grab pattern lately
im just confused as to how an entirely new character with a new ability and new stats and perks cost’s 13$ and just one cosmetic for one character cost’s 21$ like what???
@@Satnanat thats so stupid tho at the end of the day its a cosmetic and its only one on top of that its pretty bad marketing of u ask me but whateves🤷🏻♀️
I don’t really mind the price but the fact that you have to pay 10 dollars to maybe play the character and if you want to use the money you spent you have to lobby Dodge
So in the first 24 hours of the game i played, i spent 14 of it waiting to get into matches. It shows you on xbox how many hours in game and game shows match times. Its really disgraceful considering the prices and one hit bubba build means you spend forever waiting to get into a game to then die within a minute of being in the game.
I think the prices are.... on the higher end of the accepted price window. I think the majority of people are upset that its expensive compared to the price of the game. With the current issues with the game right now, it probably wasn't the best timing to release that. With the backlash of removing the cross play, which was the major marketing strategy. Another thing, is because people will be paying a lot for these characters, there is a chance you wouldn't be able to play them. I think they need to add the ability to queue as the character you want, so that you don't get people dodging lobby's when they don't get to play the character they want.
Personally I think the Character pricing is the only one that’s too steep, as there is no way to get them other than paying I feel that $5 dollars per would be a good price, or maybe $7/8 per and you could get them bundled for like $10-12. I can live with cosmetics being pricy but characters have an effect on the game and shouldn’t have such a steep price
literally ik people who hit level 99 and they have all these extra attributes points and max level characters and can do nothing more than simply play. some argue the game becomes boring because the grind is over while some argue they continue to play because the game is still fun. it would be nice if we could unlock free stuff (whether it'd be a character or skin idc) as we progress on both victim and family other than video clips.
Thought they would do something similar to Friday the 13th game where all characters and maps were free. And different clothing options for all characters be paid for, but not sure if they will change their mind how the dlc works because 1 character for £10 is to much so be better to have 2 or 3 characters for £10 instead
These DLC prices would be less of an issue if it was a free to play game, or just not $40. At the moment I can't even play with my friends on console because they disabled crossplay for PC....
I wanna no if they will open up skill tree so we can get the characters higher than level 10 as u may be collecting great "perks" there's other great things on there to use but can't unless u respec
This pricing system isn’t uncommon, but it will keep people like me from playing. As someone who was grandfathered into OW2, I refuse to play a game that’s constantly begging.
I had this game installed on my xbox. but I just couldn't find myself being interested in the game and I never really was. So I ended up de-installing it
So, 25$ for a single gun camo and a weapon charm in call of Duty is fine, but this is a problem???? Or what about 20$ to 33$ for an old ass skin in overwatch2? It's pure greed, but at this point, it the new norm.
One thing I do like about some battle passes is that you can buy them once then if you complete them you can get the next one with your earnings from the previous if you have the restraint not to buy other stuff and sometimes the even give you a little extra to buy that one skin u wanted it’s kinda a red flag in games for me when they don’t do that or if they don’t make it possible to get it for free cause that’s proof they’re really juicing you for everything you’ve got
The only price I’m mad about is the $10 PER character. It’s ridiculous. Pay to win. Everything else pricing is COMPLETELY fair. $16 for premium content is on the cheap end. I think they could do what for honor does. Pay money to get access to characters before others, or add in game currency that is harder to earn but eventually you can get the character through grinding or something.
Despite being hyped and owning the game since launch, I don't play. I enjoy the game when I play, but turning off cross play was the first issue; I can't play with friends (imagine disabling SWF on DBD). Just as problematic is the lobby system; I'm not queuing 15 mins for a 3 minute match. There's been balance patch after balance patch, but that isn't why I stopped... These prices will compound the lobby issue. Gun need to make core changes to the system and I'm not sure they will. For a change, saying this could kill the game isn't an exaggeration. Keep in mind it's new and doesn't have the sunken cost fallacy of other live services.
So in TCM’s defense people are often comparing them to DBD for many (often dumb) reasons. For DBD their pricing is not comparable with the exception of MAYBE 2 DLCs/characters (compared to TCM’s character price) since those are the closest to what we would see in TCM but even then the prices are the same/very similar. People are also comparing apples (DBD dlc with 2+ characters) to oranges (TCM’s dlc with 1 character) to bananas (TCM’s premium content). People also forget that BHVR is not an indie company like GUN is and want to treat them as equals when they are far from it. Now Pinhead and Nic Cage are the only DBD DLCs that can be somewhat compared since they are single character/roles and I’ll show my simplified comparisons below without comparing the process of making the characters since TCM uses irl people for filming before digitizing what they recorded whereas DBD purely does computer animation/rendering. ~Similarities~ Pinhead (vs Family): has a unique mori, perks, power, and speaks in-game Nic Cage (vs Victim): speaks in-game, unique perks, “character specific” voice-lines, and cosmetics ~Differences~ Pinhead (vs Family): cosmetics (that cost about $10 a piece), no power level up, no unique stats, no character specific voice-lines, add-ons instead of perks related to power, and only 1 mori (with no other options outside of entity death or bleed out). Nic Cage (vs Victim): cosmetics cost about $10 a piece, no unique power (or perks for power), no unique stats, “character specific” voice lines are random, and limited to 4 perks per match instead of 3.
For a game I already paid forty bucks for and when you are not guaranteed to be able to play the character you bought? I'll still play but I won't be paying that price for DLC.
I mean honestly I wouldn't mind paying for it because I love the whole tcm franchise and game But I do understand that it is quite a lot considering you have to pay a lot for the base game
As I’m seeing others say, I understand they need money to keep their developers working and servers on and all that. And for me, I think the premium is a bit high, but I also understand that Greg Nicotero was not a cheap guy to hire for that. They gotta recoup the prices of paying him and then try to make some profit. But the prices per character is just too damn high. I look at DBD, and having to compare chapter vs chapter, the Alien chapter was $12 USD, and it came with the addition charm and costume for Ripley. On top of that, it was both characters. There is just simply no excuse for TCM to charge that much for potential “pay to win” characters since the next Killer has an ability that doesn’t really have a substitute in the base game, and to cost that much. And the lobby dodging will become enormous since if you DO pay that, you’re gonna want to play the character. THIS is what folks mean it might kill the game. A lot of folks aren’t gonna bother with even buying, and still won’t be able to find matches cause of it.
The price list as a whole is good if you look at cosmetics thats cheaper than dbd(ignoring recolours) yeah the characters could do with a combo pack, maybe buy 1 get the other half price but overall i cant complain.
I think for the skin and execution price is fine they do nothing for actual gameplay . But for the characters yes because u r buying something for a chance to play. And then to top that off everyone who bought them will want to play them lobby dodging worse then they r already. I would say expect really long waits for a lobby to fill.
as someone that hasnt played this game properly, only free demo. i dont know why games stick to single pick or rng on whos the 1vs4. In Friday 13th. Camp councilors would literally DC the game if they didn't get to play as Jason. was having a seperate cue to play as killer only not an option?
The only thing I have a problem with is the price of the characters. $10 per character is insane. Cosmetics can be expensive because ultimately, you're not missing anything important. The elephant in the room has to be addressed. DBD has a cheaper base price, cheaper DLC characters and possibly characters that come with more. League of Legends characters are $10 but have more to them and the game is free. I don't mind pay $5 for a character but $10 per character or half the cost of the game for two new characters is insane.
Not just that but if someone locks in that character you can't play them. It feels really bad to spend money $10 on a character and its a complete dice roll whether or not you'll get to play them.
they need to up the level from 99 to 150!! get skins when you reach certain levels just like in Friday the 13th!! no reason to charge for characters, play to earn them!!!
I don't like a character being $10 and the chance i wont be able to play them. Any other game i play i buy a character and can play them no matter what
I will be buying the New characters but I agree that not having an in game currency grind to unlock them for free is a big mistake. I love TCM at the moment as it suits my prefered stealthy playstyle alot more than DBD. But I agree with you that when I have leveled up every character I will probably get bored if there are no "Challanges" to do. Part of my addiction to DBD was joining at the Sadako chapter and having all those historic archives to complete. That I did BTW. I only have the latest one to finish now.
6:20 ive literally brought up the same dilemma with other games (like minecraft). They need money, and releasing only free things is obviously going to be slow or simply nonexistent. These people need to feed their families, and game development is how they do it
$15 is a good chunk of Money but I don't think the issue is the Pricing (for most). I think like you said because I am the same way, once I hit max level and can't unlock anything or grind anything out whats the point of playing. Yes it is for fun but I like to play game to accomplish things. I was really looking to buy this game soon but now not so sure. I played the beta and the lobby issue was an issue then also.
The lobby are already a nightmare at least with dbd u can play the same dlc character in a lobby tcm u can only have one character in the lobby which will slow it down even more
Just to remind people, in DBD a single cosmetic for one resident evil character can be 15$, and theres a few of these for other licenses as well. Not defending them on this- it's overpriced af to put three cosmetics at 16$, but this needs to be a more widespread attack. 15$ for a single skin is even more outrageous, and some games, like league of legends, is now dropping 30$ to even potentially 200$ cosmetics as well.
I have to hard disagree on a couple of point in the ''pros'' section, I do not believe the dev are announcing this in an effort to be ''transparent'' with the player base. I think it's obivous they are simply testing the waters, seeing how the player base reacts before actually realising anything. ''Here's a 17$ piece of content! Wait, you guys think it's too expensive? Here, we'll drop it to 15$'' and you just know that people are gonna be gullible enough to believe it's now worth it cause the price was lowered. It's literally predatory marketing 101. You just have to look at black friday to see it in action, companies boost the prieces of items right before and then they ''lower'' the prices to the target profit they wanted and people fall for it every single year. I also think that believing they priced their content that way is because ''they really are confident the content is really worth those amount'' has to be the most anti-consumer stance someone can take. I'm fairly sure that whoever design the content and whoever decides the price tag probably have never met and are likely not even working in the same building. Game development and marketing/financial decision are world's apart. Finally, saying ''oh well, you have to pay just as much if not more in other games'' is also extremely anti-consumer. One of the very reason why cost of living is at an all time high and people are struggling is in part because of that mentallity and because of people just shrugging off price increase or unfair price tag just because ''it's just as bad in other games''. Last thing, I'm in no way under the impression devs should just hand out free stuff, of course not, they are at the end of the day a company whose purpose it to make money ultimately but alienating a big part of their player base by being so agressive with their monetization of the game could potentially hurt it on the long run. I'm not saying that this decision alone is gonna kill the game, but when you add this to the poor decision of removing crossplay for weeks for PC players, the way the devs are handling the Reddit community, the questionable balance and gameplay decisions, etc. all of those add up and for some players being presented with such a steep price tag for upcoming content might just be the exscuse they need to peace out and move on to another game.
I don't get this if they wanted to triple the money they wanted to take make with this system why not make a battle pass for 10 bucks. People would grind the game much more and you would make the money from people who got the game for free on the xbox game pass. Somehow the devs miss this idea when making the game it would only make so much sense. Now you will have people buying and not buying these items.
Hey Aaron, For me, I don't mind the price of DLC's I do like Texas Chainsaw Massacre game and the price for the DLC for me in Australia is going to be double due to Different currency's. All in all we shall see what happens in the future. 😊 😊
To talk about the pros mentioned in this video: Transparency is a wonderful thing to see from a team making a game I want to see succeed. And I want this game to succeed. I don't think there is any downside to that. Assuming price of something correlates to quality is a lot more of a stretch to me. Diablo 4 is priced at the same as you would spend on other games out there like Baldur's Gate 3, but I bet most people you ask will conclude that Diablo 4 isn't worth its price tag simply because of its price tag. Call it confidence if you want, others could call it potentially milking the IP for what it's worth before it potentially dies and I could see both arguments. Industry standard doesn't excuse anything for this game or any other game, for me. Just because most games have some battle pass or extra DLC released later for more money doesn't mean every game released today needs that. Case in point, the aforementioned Baldur's Gate 3. If a battle pass is worth it to you, then it's worth it to YOU, but that doesn't make it worth it to every player or a free to play player. That goes for any game, even a game in the same genre as TCM, like DBD. TCM, whether the dev team or player base want to admit it or not, is competing for the community to either be exclusively played by or at least share an audience with the community playing DBD. Some play both, some play TCM out of frustration with DBD, but they want the same players, people who enjoy asym horror games. It's not a great start to expect people who paid 10 dollars for an entire DLC and chapter in the more popular much older game that people still play to come to a completely new game on the market and pay more per character when we've not seen any new characters yet from the devs. DBD and TCM both released with a free cast, but DBD then released nurse as free DLC with Nea for the first DLC wave to show players they can expect quality. TCM devs just expect you to expect quality up front as they charge you double what DBD would. That's insane to me, coming from the underdog game in terms of player base and size in the genre. And that's not even getting into the cons that have already been talked about by plenty of people. As for the last pro, keeping the game running? Look they could price cosmetics whatever they want and people will buy them if they want them. They can do whatever they want to do if it makes them think it will keep the game alive longer. But just remember this, just because they seem to think, and you and others may seem to think it will keep the game alive, pay walling anything you need to have in order to play the game will always turn people away. Cosmetics are not a requirement. A new character isn't inherently a requirement, but if they ever release a victim that's just a strictly better version of one that is free, and it costs money, then it will upset people. And looking at the spoiled potential power Danny has, well. Let's just say for the sake of keeping spoilers unspoiled, he's better than probably any victim so far. But he'll also cost you 10 dollars to play. AND if someone else buys him and plays him in your lobby and you also spent 10 dollars? Well you're just out of luck. Unless you want to lobby hop until you find a lobby where you can play him and then the problem is shifted to the next person wanting to play him, creating a never ending cycle. And assuming no one buys the new characters, a crazy hypothetical, then how is the price of the character keeping the game alive if no one or not enough people buy them to keep the game going for more new characters? Unlikely to be the case, but a weakness in the argument nonetheless.
Game is basically dead on pc. 17,000 to 3,000 within 2 months. First dlc is 15.99 for Leather face skin that doesn’t affect gameplay. And 10$ each character will cause a huge rift
It might be that the drop in players was caused by the lack of cross play and cheaters. Maybe now that those are being worked on the number will rise again?
Why not create a battle pass? If they charge 30$ for everyrhing with little extra things like xp points, I think people would be ok with it, at least a little. 😅
10:00 so long as there are map updates and general content updates, those gamers should be fine. i've been in that position for awhile now financially, and tbh you don't need new cosmetics to make a game still fun. it just makes it look a bit prettier. new characters - those are huge for keeping the game fresh. but you're typically expected to pay for those, and I know that when I buy a game that is perfectly engineered to peddle cosmetics. the most we could expect them to do is to lower the base prices for new characters, cosmetics, executions, etc. I can't expect the devs to make things super accessible to me because of my shit financial situation, and tbh it's on me for buying the game in the first place.
Honestly, they can charge how much they want, it is their right. Personally, I can't afford those prices and won't buy them. Also, the "free" stuff isn't free, it is base game, you still need to buy the base game for those things.
It won't kill the game, but it's definitely some rough pricing. They should bundle it all together for a cheaper price. If you only want to buy DLC for gameplay purposes, you'll only really want to purchase the new characters ($9.99 each). That's still a bit pricy too, but more understandable. I personally could care less about cosmetics, they are fun and nice to have, but a waste of money imo unless you have excess money to spend on them. Anytime I've bought a cosmetic, I've used it and gotten bored of it so quick and unequipped it. It would be nice to earn an in-game currency to purchase skins and special executions (sort of like DbD with iri shards), but I wouldn't be upset if you *had* to pay for them.
42$ for the game itself, which for now is extremely repetitive, plus 16$ for skins? For a charcter that youre not even guaranteed to be able to play in the match. Idk, i think its sus & i think theyre milking money from the players BECAUSE its such an iconic game. To be fair, i do think the pricing will kill a majority of the game. And another thing, they already made their money, 10 fold. Millions of buys at 42$? Theyre sitting on piles of money right now, they shouldnt make their player base spend this much money on skins.
Personally, biggest problem is how the game only allows you to have one character in the game. To pay 10 dollars to get a character but you cant even play them because everyone else wants them too and gets them first or smth, its simply not something i can see working for the game. I also personally find the prices for a payed game to be.. a lot. its one thing for free games like overwatch or fortnite, but this is a 40 dollar game with more content be 15-10 dollars with no way to get it for free and that to me is too much. of course im just one player and it will most likely work out for them, it just makes me sad to see and i may just drop the game for it. 😓
It’s funny avoiding mentioning DBD, but this game was listed as what was going to kill DBD but yet everything yet already having a time to quit this game while the other has in game currency, new events, etc. It’s kind of funny.
To be fair, Rocket League and Fortnite are games that are both free. And that don't give you a competitive advantage when you spend money. I don't think it's a fair comparison.
I view every game with $ per hr, might not be the best way to go about it but thats just how i am. I have 110hrs played and i paid 40 dollars. i dont mind paying more if the content is good. On the other hand, probably 50 of those hours were in the lobby
I’m sorry, but this is in no way understandable. Even beyond the first glance this is unreasonable. A leather face skin for almost half of what I paid for the game…a single skin??? Wtf?? It might not kill the game, but it will drive people away. Live service games are predatory, it’s built into their model. They have to have a constant influx or they become money sinks. This pricing is absolutely atrocious
Still better than the recent skins in Warframe - for 2 skins you have to cough up $80. Regardless, are the prices good? No. Should they change it? Yes. Do I own the game? No. Source: my wallet.
There’s no real excuse or “pros” to this, the prices should be halved? Imagine if dbd released chapters for 20 bucks, now yes “oh dbd and tcm comparison booo” but look at it this way, we get a new killer, new survivor and perks for 10-15 bucks. Tcm? Just new killers or survivors separately plus an overpriced cosmetic.
$10 for 2 characters, would be somewhat understandable/palletable. $10 per character is absolutely predatory
On top of that not being able to definitely use the character is gonna hurt lobbies.
@@dkres82agreed, people already dodge when they don't get their character.
@@gLobbZ exactly
@@gLobbZ or if they see character they hate sometimes ( best example is pre bug fix sissy )
I agree $20 for Two Characters is going to be hard to take.
As someone who played OW 2, I wasn't surprised to see the prices. Games expect us to pay $10, $15, or even $20 for a skin and then release extensions of the game in parts for $15 each, and then a Battle Pass that automatically unlocks the new character for $10. It does get... A little ridiculous.
Yeah, buddy. Would be nice to see a bit more free fan service stuff. Keep all of the paid stuff, prices, whatever. But don't intentionally make all free skins uninteresting or forgettable, with only cool shit being a dollar on a fishing pole.
If I worked for a game company, I'd totally work off the clock once in a while on the weekend to release a cool skin, as a thank you to the community at least a couple of times a year. Make a social media release and thank the community. Make it a community series where the team does a new character each time.
Obviously that'd require a blessing from the boss and agreement from the other parts involved, but I think it could be easy to get everyone on board if as an artist you draft a couple ideas and say you would want to do it.
CSGO had an almost acceptable micro transactions for skins, considering you could earn boxes and skins and then sell them, which then allowed you to buy keys to open boxes and sell those for even more money if you got something rare, which was really cool back when I played in 2014, even then skins were somewhat outrageously expensive going into the hundreds. And the only skin I remember being wild was the Howl, which went for thousands. And there was obviously the glaring problem of gambling, and eventually how inflated skins actually became. But the fact that it could have been a recycle with skins and boxes makes me wonder how we could implement that into games these days without the worst of those issues.
just wait until you see the sims 4-
OW2 has pretty much destroyed Overwatch all the crazy monetization in OW 2 is such shit especially since you earn barely any premium currency playing through.
But that’s my issue. Extension of the game is one thing. But $10 just for ONE character… that’s a lot.
I'm in the same boat that the prices themselves aren't the issue, but the combination of you needing to spend real money to unlock it, you can't have duplicate characters in a match (for obvious reasons), and the fact there's already a lobby dodging problem, it's just gonna make DLC launches feel rough unless they make some significant changes. There's also the argument of the new characters introducing a Pay-to-Win element, because from what we've seen from the leaks, the new characters might have some strong abilities.
Yea, from what I can tell as a non-player, why don't they just... have you pick your choice FIRST, then automatically put you into a lobby? The Bubba fans are out there... they just are probably suffering just as much waiting until they happen to get next in the "queue" of lobby dodgers.
Considering i can buy a character in dbd for $5 is saying something.
I do think the pricing is a little high, especially without a way to grind.
A lot of the time on DBD (sorry), I get excited when I have enough iri shards to shop around for a cool cosmetic in the store. It would be cool if TCM at least had something like that, to make it feel like I have a goal. Because it feels really good to have something to show for the time I've invested in playing a game. It kinda feels like a small "thanks" from the developers tbh.
Sure, it isn't the GRANDEST gesture, but it's nice and it keeps things moving. Doesn't hurt, and it shouldn't be that difficult to add. It's not like thinking up a pricing structure was hard, simply apply that to an in game currency that you creatively named, implement it, and you've probably done a lot to help the livelihood of your game. I hope they're doing more than just "looking into it", I guess is my point.
if the game was like $12 it would be okay but for $40 plus ingame content...NO!
"preferred characters" list (you can pick what you want before hand) would be a good way to avoid the lobby dodging, so when you load into the game, you can play as a preferred character, with that character already selected, along with everyone else (& hopefully matchmaking would make it so everyone had picked a different preferred character)
Obv the more popular thr character the longer the que times but thats just how it is.
It becomes pay to win when characters are behind big paywalls like that and you can't even have duplicate characters in a match so...
I don't mind the nicotera price tag, it is designed by someone famous who's time and artistry is pretty valuable. The normal pricing structure is where you lose me because i can buy a whole DBD chapter (6 survivor perks, 3 killer perks and 2 survivor skins) for 15$ where as they actually expect me to buy each character (that is limited to ONE OF EACH per lobby) for 10$? Nah bro i'll just hop on DBD.
Ive seen a lot of content creators saying they are going to buy it because they believe Gun will lower future prices after they buy it at this high price. Like what?
I mean they could its unlikely but possibly
@aliceviens7 so a company will see people buying it at this price and come to the conclusion they should lower it? Or the logical scenario of "hey people are buying them, no need to adjust"
@@tomatoes100Or the worse scenario could be making the price even higher, which could also easily happen if people buy the stuff a lot...
Should at least do a bundle for people who want both for $15 instead of $20.
I disagree with you on the state of the game. The price of families/victims is too much without any way to earn the characters. the lobbying dodging will make people not wanted to play tcm.
The lobby issue for killer is a pain. I mod for someone who streams TCM and he really enjoys playing the cook and yeah he sees people come in and leave cause the only killer they're waiting for is Bubba.
Really think this issue needs to be addressed more.
Sure the pricing can be expensive for some (I for one still not bought TCM yet) but hopefully the devs do offers/sales etc within the game so players can buy these items.
i bought the game, played a single match that took 10 min of lobby becuase people kept dodging, once i got in the controls felt extremely clunky and weird. after that one match i saw that it was not as good as people made it up to be and i promptly refunded it
I don't play the game but i do think that the devs needs to have a very long discussion about whether they should sell the characters as they have planned, have a package that includes characters or just give it for free so then no one would be super pissed about how they paid for the character yet they cant even play it.
I kinda understand that pricing. Yeah, it's high and alienating players who can't afford to buy gameplay DLCs (characters). But also, it is a game that's sitting on a high cost license, either they have to repay some kind of loan that let them have it or they need to make enough to accomodate the licensing monthly fee on top of being able to pay their workers. What I don't understand is developer getting into fights on twitter with people who complain - like, that can't be good.
Also, about issues, I'm stunned that they didn't just get that matchmaking system present in League of Legends or Smite, where you pick who you'd want to play and if possible game would try to accomodate you (and if not, dodging lobby is met with penalty). Without that it will become a problem (unless they'll just remove no clones restriction). From what I saw game already is a lobby simulator, which turns people off from playing it.
i´m glad that you still do good content. "welcome back" like you´re style!
Thank you for the kind words! 💙
Leatherface has 3 skins and literally no other family members have one. Why would you not give them each one first? Also if premium content is just the bundles that include everything than it wont be to bad.
I agree on that one. Each family member should have different weapons and cosmetics which in no doubt they'll come. It's just a matter of time.
I have loved watching people play this game and thought about buying it for myself to play but these recent news about future pricing and them not having an other way to earn future content it has turned me away a lot from even wanting to try to play it.
I grew up playing a lot of various types of games since the 90s. I hate how the gaming industry has turned into this. Live service has just continued to disappoint game after game. OW”2”, Diablo 4, are my most recent heartbreaks and I’m jaded af.
I enjoy this game a lot with friends, but it gets old after 40 hrs when you sit half of that time in a lobby. The character progression is just so slow and I feel like im wasting my time playing the “lobby” game. It’a kind of like paying to get into Disneyland, only to get on a couple rides.
Im 33, gotta job, bills to pay, other life shit to do. I love this hobby, but I do value my time a lot and I don’t wanna waste it by sitting in a lobby for more time than actually playing a game.
I honestly do think this could seriously harm (or outright kill the game) for two of the reasons you mentioned:
The lobby dodging and people who will just stop playing because they don't want to pay for the characters
Right now, I spend far too much time sitting in the damn lobby that it just sucks my desire to play the game sometimes. Lobby dodging is bad now but it feels like it's going to be a hundred times worse once the DLC comes out. I don't care who I play as so I likely won't get the characters until this game demonstrates it has some actual staying power but I'm not going to sit there for 6, 7, 10 minutes trying to get into a game as all the HAVES fight over getting to play their DLC people while the HAVE NOTS sit there twiddling their thumbs.
You didn't mention it but the DLC potentially becoming a Pay to Win thing will also kill the vibe real fast if Gun gets too cute with the DLC and makes them the clear #1 choice when playing the game. DBD arguably has a bit of this to it but that's a lot easier to swallow when characters are $3-5 a pop rather than $10...
Personally, I think the pricing is a HUGE issue. A character skin, an animation, and a weapon skin cost nearly half the cost of the game, for a paid game that's absolutely ridiculous. I WANT TCM to do well, give DbD some real competition and force them to innovate in better ways; ultimately it's what's best for the community. And while I don't think this is going to be a game killer, it's kinda ridiculous to charge that much money for something like that. If this was EA doing it, we'd be calling them out for "typical EA greed", but b/c it's a game that people WANT to do well (for obvious and understandable reasons) I feel people are trying to justify something that under other circumstances, they'd be crying out about. That's just my 2 cents anyway, I was doing research about getting this game but if this is their monetization model, I think I'll sadly have to pass. I hope they fix things in the future, and that they take good care of the community they have
Chargung 16$ for a special skin with special spunds, special DESIGNER etc is absolutely okay. It's a skin and if people don't want to buy it, they don't buy it.
Charging 10$ for ONE character is insane to me. I'm not used to that and I definitely am not able to spend that in a game that I've recently bought for 40€.
We've heard it many time "people aren't guaranteed to play them" blah blah blah.
I don't think that it will kill the game per se but I do think that it will give the game more of a negative view and at the worst, a pretty big hit in the playerbase
Me when I pay $10 for the slight chance to play a new character since everyone else is also gonna wanna play them
$10 per character. Is that the same amout that people are paying for one skin in DBD?
Nothing you can say can justify those prices. I understand they need to fund the game and that’s fine but not something this scummy.
I'm not saying that I want the game to die, but with its que system and how picking characters works 10$ for a SINGLE character, not for a chapter with both and extra stuff for one WILL kill the game if the Devs hope to get money from TCM.
I understand what yer saying only thing I can see is just as bad. You’d have to have your character randomly selected to be fair as it would break the game if you had 4 Ana’s with the toughness perk. Or just for humors sake imagine a match with 3 cooks and a wall gap accessible only area
@@shadowfoxx8696 the fact that you have to play different characters isn't bad, there will be various different character, all of them fun enough to main at least 2 but the issue is what's the point of playing this game, if to have that choice and variety you have to pay for it each time
@@shadowfoxx8696 i see that issue as well, but im not paying money for a chance to play a character.
@@Mono-kp2qw I was’nt even replying to the paying part that’s kinda just the cherry on top. Right now we kinda are forced to play certain characters but that’s only due to there being only 5 or so of each. Keep in mind I’m on console as well, the lobby times seem to be better on pc from a number of streams I watch
Although to add to this. I personally work for a corporation and I’ve seen a lot shady stuff lately skimming money, layoffs, skeleton crews, I have a few friends in the gaming industry I may ask them if they’ve noticed anything. I’m starting to notice this cash grab pattern lately
The game itself already costs 40 USD on the PlayStation. 15 USD for a skin is way too overpriced.
We all know DLCs should be free right. Imagine asking money for all the work being put into the game development - insanity.
with the current prices of games w/ battlepasses i thought it wasnt bad tbh
im just confused as to how an entirely new character with a new ability and new stats and perks cost’s 13$ and just one cosmetic for one character cost’s 21$ like what???
It’s probably that much because of the name attached to it i don’t know
Still way too much
@@Satnanat thats so stupid tho at the end of the day its a cosmetic and its only one on top of that its pretty bad marketing of u ask me but whateves🤷🏻♀️
I don’t really mind the price but the fact that you have to pay 10 dollars to maybe play the character and if you want to use the money you spent you have to lobby Dodge
So in the first 24 hours of the game i played, i spent 14 of it waiting to get into matches. It shows you on xbox how many hours in game and game shows match times. Its really disgraceful considering the prices and one hit bubba build means you spend forever waiting to get into a game to then die within a minute of being in the game.
I think the prices are.... on the higher end of the accepted price window. I think the majority of people are upset that its expensive compared to the price of the game. With the current issues with the game right now, it probably wasn't the best timing to release that. With the backlash of removing the cross play, which was the major marketing strategy. Another thing, is because people will be paying a lot for these characters, there is a chance you wouldn't be able to play them. I think they need to add the ability to queue as the character you want, so that you don't get people dodging lobby's when they don't get to play the character they want.
Personally I think the Character pricing is the only one that’s too steep, as there is no way to get them other than paying I feel that $5 dollars per would be a good price, or maybe $7/8 per and you could get them bundled for like $10-12. I can live with cosmetics being pricy but characters have an effect on the game and shouldn’t have such a steep price
literally ik people who hit level 99 and they have all these extra attributes points and max level characters and can do nothing more than simply play. some argue the game becomes boring because the grind is over while some argue they continue to play because the game is still fun. it would be nice if we could unlock free stuff (whether it'd be a character or skin idc) as we progress on both victim and family other than video clips.
Thought they would do something similar to Friday the 13th game where all characters and maps were free. And different clothing options for all characters be paid for, but not sure if they will change their mind how the dlc works because 1 character for £10 is to much so be better to have 2 or 3 characters for £10 instead
These DLC prices would be less of an issue if it was a free to play game, or just not $40. At the moment I can't even play with my friends on console because they disabled crossplay for PC....
I wanna no if they will open up skill tree so we can get the characters higher than level 10 as u may be collecting great "perks" there's other great things on there to use but can't unless u respec
This pricing system isn’t uncommon, but it will keep people like me from playing.
As someone who was grandfathered into OW2, I refuse to play a game that’s constantly begging.
I had this game installed on my xbox. but I just couldn't find myself being interested in the game and I never really was. So I ended up de-installing it
So, 25$ for a single gun camo and a weapon charm in call of Duty is fine, but this is a problem???? Or what about 20$ to 33$ for an old ass skin in overwatch2? It's pure greed, but at this point, it the new norm.
These prices are more or less industry standard... that does not mean they are acceptable.
really? $10 dollars for a new playable character?
The game is already struggling to keep a player and viewer base, it's really doing quite bad. This will just probably kill it off completely.
this is not industry standard
One thing I do like about some battle passes is that you can buy them once then if you complete them you can get the next one with your earnings from the previous if you have the restraint not to buy other stuff and sometimes the even give you a little extra to buy that one skin u wanted it’s kinda a red flag in games for me when they don’t do that or if they don’t make it possible to get it for free cause that’s proof they’re really juicing you for everything you’ve got
The only price I’m mad about is the $10 PER character. It’s ridiculous. Pay to win. Everything else pricing is COMPLETELY fair. $16 for premium content is on the cheap end. I think they could do what for honor does. Pay money to get access to characters before others, or add in game currency that is harder to earn but eventually you can get the character through grinding or something.
Despite being hyped and owning the game since launch, I don't play.
I enjoy the game when I play, but turning off cross play was the first issue; I can't play with friends (imagine disabling SWF on DBD). Just as problematic is the lobby system; I'm not queuing 15 mins for a 3 minute match.
There's been balance patch after balance patch, but that isn't why I stopped...
These prices will compound the lobby issue. Gun need to make core changes to the system and I'm not sure they will. For a change, saying this could kill the game isn't an exaggeration. Keep in mind it's new and doesn't have the sunken cost fallacy of other live services.
So in TCM’s defense people are often comparing them to DBD for many (often dumb) reasons. For DBD their pricing is not comparable with the exception of MAYBE 2 DLCs/characters (compared to TCM’s character price) since those are the closest to what we would see in TCM but even then the prices are the same/very similar. People are also comparing apples (DBD dlc with 2+ characters) to oranges (TCM’s dlc with 1 character) to bananas (TCM’s premium content). People also forget that BHVR is not an indie company like GUN is and want to treat them as equals when they are far from it. Now Pinhead and Nic Cage are the only DBD DLCs that can be somewhat compared since they are single character/roles and I’ll show my simplified comparisons below without comparing the process of making the characters since TCM uses irl people for filming before digitizing what they recorded whereas DBD purely does computer animation/rendering.
~Similarities~
Pinhead (vs Family): has a unique mori, perks, power, and speaks in-game
Nic Cage (vs Victim): speaks in-game, unique perks, “character specific” voice-lines, and cosmetics
~Differences~
Pinhead (vs Family): cosmetics (that cost about $10 a piece), no power level up, no unique stats, no character specific voice-lines, add-ons instead of perks related to power, and only 1 mori (with no other options outside of entity death or bleed out).
Nic Cage (vs Victim): cosmetics cost about $10 a piece, no unique power (or perks for power), no unique stats, “character specific” voice lines are random, and limited to 4 perks per match instead of 3.
This game was expensive? Dude! Did you see the price tag on Diablo 4?
For a game I already paid forty bucks for and when you are not guaranteed to be able to play the character you bought? I'll still play but I won't be paying that price for DLC.
I mean honestly I wouldn't mind paying for it because I love the whole tcm franchise and game
But I do understand that it is quite a lot considering you have to pay a lot for the base game
I would say that characters should be $7 at most
Idk what y'all expected when buying a 40 dollar game
As I’m seeing others say, I understand they need money to keep their developers working and servers on and all that.
And for me, I think the premium is a bit high, but I also understand that Greg Nicotero was not a cheap guy to hire for that. They gotta recoup the prices of paying him and then try to make some profit.
But the prices per character is just too damn high. I look at DBD, and having to compare chapter vs chapter, the Alien chapter was $12 USD, and it came with the addition charm and costume for Ripley. On top of that, it was both characters.
There is just simply no excuse for TCM to charge that much for potential “pay to win” characters since the next Killer has an ability that doesn’t really have a substitute in the base game, and to cost that much. And the lobby dodging will become enormous since if you DO pay that, you’re gonna want to play the character.
THIS is what folks mean it might kill the game. A lot of folks aren’t gonna bother with even buying, and still won’t be able to find matches cause of it.
The price list as a whole is good if you look at cosmetics thats cheaper than dbd(ignoring recolours) yeah the characters could do with a combo pack, maybe buy 1 get the other half price but overall i cant complain.
I think for the skin and execution price is fine they do nothing for actual gameplay . But for the characters yes because u r buying something for a chance to play. And then to top that off everyone who bought them will want to play them lobby dodging worse then they r already. I would say expect really long waits for a lobby to fill.
0:38 Haha evidence
See it as purchasing a Nicotero piece. Why is art never fully appreciated?
as someone that hasnt played this game properly, only free demo. i dont know why games stick to single pick or rng on whos the 1vs4. In Friday 13th. Camp councilors would literally DC the game if they didn't get to play as Jason. was having a seperate cue to play as killer only not an option?
The only thing I have a problem with is the price of the characters. $10 per character is insane. Cosmetics can be expensive because ultimately, you're not missing anything important. The elephant in the room has to be addressed. DBD has a cheaper base price, cheaper DLC characters and possibly characters that come with more. League of Legends characters are $10 but have more to them and the game is free. I don't mind pay $5 for a character but $10 per character or half the cost of the game for two new characters is insane.
Not just that but if someone locks in that character you can't play them. It feels really bad to spend money $10 on a character and its a complete dice roll whether or not you'll get to play them.
Skins being a bit up there is fine, it doesn't give you any advantage. Characters that you MAY have a chance tonplay, nahhhhhh
Fr, that latest TCM Netflix movie was so bad, Leatherface needs a proper comeback on the big screen ☹
they need to up the level from 99 to 150!! get skins when you reach certain levels just like in Friday the 13th!! no reason to charge for characters, play to earn them!!!
7$ for characters would be nice
I don't like a character being $10 and the chance i wont be able to play them. Any other game i play i buy a character and can play them no matter what
I will be buying the New characters but I agree that not having an in game currency grind to unlock them for free is a big mistake.
I love TCM at the moment as it suits my prefered stealthy playstyle alot more than DBD.
But I agree with you that when I have leveled up every character I will probably get bored if there are no "Challanges" to do.
Part of my addiction to DBD was joining at the Sadako chapter and having all those historic archives to complete. That I did BTW. I only have the latest one to finish now.
Oh boy >.
It’s pay to win if every character has unique abilities.
6:20 ive literally brought up the same dilemma with other games (like minecraft). They need money, and releasing only free things is obviously going to be slow or simply nonexistent. These people need to feed their families, and game development is how they do it
$15 is a good chunk of Money but I don't think the issue is the Pricing (for most). I think like you said because I am the same way, once I hit max level and can't unlock anything or grind anything out whats the point of playing. Yes it is for fun but I like to play game to accomplish things. I was really looking to buy this game soon but now not so sure. I played the beta and the lobby issue was an issue then also.
The lobby are already a nightmare at least with dbd u can play the same dlc character in a lobby tcm u can only have one character in the lobby which will slow it down even more
Just to remind people, in DBD a single cosmetic for one resident evil character can be 15$, and theres a few of these for other licenses as well. Not defending them on this- it's overpriced af to put three cosmetics at 16$, but this needs to be a more widespread attack. 15$ for a single skin is even more outrageous, and some games, like league of legends, is now dropping 30$ to even potentially 200$ cosmetics as well.
I have to hard disagree on a couple of point in the ''pros'' section, I do not believe the dev are announcing this in an effort to be ''transparent'' with the player base. I think it's obivous they are simply testing the waters, seeing how the player base reacts before actually realising anything. ''Here's a 17$ piece of content! Wait, you guys think it's too expensive? Here, we'll drop it to 15$'' and you just know that people are gonna be gullible enough to believe it's now worth it cause the price was lowered. It's literally predatory marketing 101. You just have to look at black friday to see it in action, companies boost the prieces of items right before and then they ''lower'' the prices to the target profit they wanted and people fall for it every single year.
I also think that believing they priced their content that way is because ''they really are confident the content is really worth those amount'' has to be the most anti-consumer stance someone can take. I'm fairly sure that whoever design the content and whoever decides the price tag probably have never met and are likely not even working in the same building. Game development and marketing/financial decision are world's apart.
Finally, saying ''oh well, you have to pay just as much if not more in other games'' is also extremely anti-consumer. One of the very reason why cost of living is at an all time high and people are struggling is in part because of that mentallity and because of people just shrugging off price increase or unfair price tag just because ''it's just as bad in other games''.
Last thing, I'm in no way under the impression devs should just hand out free stuff, of course not, they are at the end of the day a company whose purpose it to make money ultimately but alienating a big part of their player base by being so agressive with their monetization of the game could potentially hurt it on the long run. I'm not saying that this decision alone is gonna kill the game, but when you add this to the poor decision of removing crossplay for weeks for PC players, the way the devs are handling the Reddit community, the questionable balance and gameplay decisions, etc. all of those add up and for some players being presented with such a steep price tag for upcoming content might just be the exscuse they need to peace out and move on to another game.
I don't get this if they wanted to triple the money they wanted to take make with this system why not make a battle pass for 10 bucks. People would grind the game much more and you would make the money from people who got the game for free on the xbox game pass. Somehow the devs miss this idea when making the game it would only make so much sense. Now you will have people buying and not buying these items.
Hey Aaron, For me, I don't mind the price of DLC's I do like Texas Chainsaw Massacre game and the price for the DLC for me in Australia is going to be double due to Different currency's. All in all we shall see what happens in the future. 😊 😊
I thought this game was too expensive and I don't intend to buy it.
To talk about the pros mentioned in this video:
Transparency is a wonderful thing to see from a team making a game I want to see succeed. And I want this game to succeed. I don't think there is any downside to that.
Assuming price of something correlates to quality is a lot more of a stretch to me. Diablo 4 is priced at the same as you would spend on other games out there like Baldur's Gate 3, but I bet most people you ask will conclude that Diablo 4 isn't worth its price tag simply because of its price tag. Call it confidence if you want, others could call it potentially milking the IP for what it's worth before it potentially dies and I could see both arguments.
Industry standard doesn't excuse anything for this game or any other game, for me. Just because most games have some battle pass or extra DLC released later for more money doesn't mean every game released today needs that. Case in point, the aforementioned Baldur's Gate 3. If a battle pass is worth it to you, then it's worth it to YOU, but that doesn't make it worth it to every player or a free to play player. That goes for any game, even a game in the same genre as TCM, like DBD. TCM, whether the dev team or player base want to admit it or not, is competing for the community to either be exclusively played by or at least share an audience with the community playing DBD. Some play both, some play TCM out of frustration with DBD, but they want the same players, people who enjoy asym horror games. It's not a great start to expect people who paid 10 dollars for an entire DLC and chapter in the more popular much older game that people still play to come to a completely new game on the market and pay more per character when we've not seen any new characters yet from the devs. DBD and TCM both released with a free cast, but DBD then released nurse as free DLC with Nea for the first DLC wave to show players they can expect quality. TCM devs just expect you to expect quality up front as they charge you double what DBD would. That's insane to me, coming from the underdog game in terms of player base and size in the genre. And that's not even getting into the cons that have already been talked about by plenty of people.
As for the last pro, keeping the game running? Look they could price cosmetics whatever they want and people will buy them if they want them. They can do whatever they want to do if it makes them think it will keep the game alive longer. But just remember this, just because they seem to think, and you and others may seem to think it will keep the game alive, pay walling anything you need to have in order to play the game will always turn people away. Cosmetics are not a requirement. A new character isn't inherently a requirement, but if they ever release a victim that's just a strictly better version of one that is free, and it costs money, then it will upset people. And looking at the spoiled potential power Danny has, well. Let's just say for the sake of keeping spoilers unspoiled, he's better than probably any victim so far. But he'll also cost you 10 dollars to play. AND if someone else buys him and plays him in your lobby and you also spent 10 dollars? Well you're just out of luck. Unless you want to lobby hop until you find a lobby where you can play him and then the problem is shifted to the next person wanting to play him, creating a never ending cycle. And assuming no one buys the new characters, a crazy hypothetical, then how is the price of the character keeping the game alive if no one or not enough people buy them to keep the game going for more new characters? Unlikely to be the case, but a weakness in the argument nonetheless.
Game is basically dead on pc. 17,000 to 3,000 within 2 months. First dlc is 15.99 for Leather face skin that doesn’t affect gameplay. And 10$ each character will cause a huge rift
It might be that the drop in players was caused by the lack of cross play and cheaters. Maybe now that those are being worked on the number will rise again?
Game died before release some of us predicted it some of us hoped and played,its already dead almost.
Between this and the killer sided nerfs, this game won't last 6 months.
Why not create a battle pass?
If they charge 30$ for everyrhing with little extra things like xp points, I think people would be ok with it, at least a little. 😅
10:00 so long as there are map updates and general content updates, those gamers should be fine. i've been in that position for awhile now financially, and tbh you don't need new cosmetics to make a game still fun. it just makes it look a bit prettier. new characters - those are huge for keeping the game fresh. but you're typically expected to pay for those, and I know that when I buy a game that is perfectly engineered to peddle cosmetics. the most we could expect them to do is to lower the base prices for new characters, cosmetics, executions, etc. I can't expect the devs to make things super accessible to me because of my shit financial situation, and tbh it's on me for buying the game in the first place.
Honestly, they can charge how much they want, it is their right. Personally, I can't afford those prices and won't buy them. Also, the "free" stuff isn't free, it is base game, you still need to buy the base game for those things.
$5.99 each character. $9.99 bundle 2 characters is ok
It won't kill the game, but it's definitely some rough pricing. They should bundle it all together for a cheaper price. If you only want to buy DLC for gameplay purposes, you'll only really want to purchase the new characters ($9.99 each). That's still a bit pricy too, but more understandable. I personally could care less about cosmetics, they are fun and nice to have, but a waste of money imo unless you have excess money to spend on them. Anytime I've bought a cosmetic, I've used it and gotten bored of it so quick and unequipped it. It would be nice to earn an in-game currency to purchase skins and special executions (sort of like DbD with iri shards), but I wouldn't be upset if you *had* to pay for them.
Dude what 35 is cheap
42$ for the game itself, which for now is extremely repetitive, plus 16$ for skins? For a charcter that youre not even guaranteed to be able to play in the match. Idk, i think its sus & i think theyre milking money from the players BECAUSE its such an iconic game.
To be fair, i do think the pricing will kill a majority of the game.
And another thing, they already made their money, 10 fold. Millions of buys at 42$? Theyre sitting on piles of money right now, they shouldnt make their player base spend this much money on skins.
Personally, biggest problem is how the game only allows you to have one character in the game.
To pay 10 dollars to get a character but you cant even play them because everyone else wants them too and gets them first or smth, its simply not something i can see working for the game. I also personally find the prices for a payed game to be.. a lot. its one thing for free games like overwatch or fortnite, but this is a 40 dollar game with more content be 15-10 dollars with no way to get it for free and that to me is too much. of course im just one player and it will most likely work out for them, it just makes me sad to see and i may just drop the game for it. 😓
It’s funny avoiding mentioning DBD, but this game was listed as what was going to kill DBD but yet everything yet already having a time to quit this game while the other has in game currency, new events, etc. It’s kind of funny.
just think though, games are going to be going up even more then what they are now jeez the new GTA game in premium is 150 usds
The only reasonable prices here are executions and cosmetics. Fuk everything else unless they add cross play for everyone they sold the game too
To be fair, Rocket League and Fortnite are games that are both free. And that don't give you a competitive advantage when you spend money. I don't think it's a fair comparison.
I view every game with $ per hr, might not be the best way to go about it but thats just how i am. I have 110hrs played and i paid 40 dollars. i dont mind paying more if the content is good. On the other hand, probably 50 of those hours were in the lobby
I’m going to be honest I couldn’t care less about the prices I won’t buy any of them anyway
Fair enough, probably not talking about you then 😂
@@AaronDukeYT I just looked back at my comment and realised I probably sounded rude, sorry if I did
i mean i’m sure things will change given the backlash this has caused, but it’s definitely something to remember LMAO
I’m sorry, but this is in no way understandable. Even beyond the first glance this is unreasonable. A leather face skin for almost half of what I paid for the game…a single skin??? Wtf?? It might not kill the game, but it will drive people away. Live service games are predatory, it’s built into their model. They have to have a constant influx or they become money sinks. This pricing is absolutely atrocious
Still better than the recent skins in Warframe - for 2 skins you have to cough up $80.
Regardless, are the prices good? No.
Should they change it? Yes.
Do I own the game? No.
Source: my wallet.
And this was how TCM stayed dead.
There’s no real excuse or “pros” to this, the prices should be halved? Imagine if dbd released chapters for 20 bucks, now yes “oh dbd and tcm comparison booo” but look at it this way, we get a new killer, new survivor and perks for 10-15 bucks. Tcm? Just new killers or survivors separately plus an overpriced cosmetic.