I’ll always remember my Grandfather telling me “Its not how you start, its how you finish”. England played their best game of the tournament but just couldn’t keep their composure in the final 10 minutes. SA’s big match temperament and sheer bloody-mindedness got them over the line. This is Rugby. ❤Respect. 🙌🏽
Not pointless - he said the refereeing of scrum infringements is often arbitrary. Many commentators and summarisers point out that no one individual can see everything that's going on in a scrum in real time.
Scrummaging illegally is pointless you must push straight. SA's trick is step out to the right and bore in that is illegal it's not Scrummaging its trickery because they're weak as we saw all night. SA should be penalised every time its the same mistake Okeefe made in tbe French game.
Amazing how when say SA played the ‘kick all day’ game in 2019 we were ruining the game or rugby but now England kick the ball 40+ times it’s majestic………..
It's not amazing at all . Its really not that complicated 1) England used a kicking game playing the conditions and the height of the Bok back three which to be fair almost paid off . 2) What has that got to do with criticism of Bok rugby back in 2019 ? Nothing do why even mention it ffs
@@patrickchilds2987 because many pundits and commentators have said SA are boring. The same pundits said it was boring in 2019 and again now. So when England are praised for doing the same thing it’s just a bit ironic…
@benji8113 Firstly why do you even care what these pundits said in 2019, the Boks won . Boks then won again in 2023 and your still moaning about these pundits said . Who cares. The Boks playing style in rwc 2019 is nothing like England in 2023 .The Boks had a brutal set piece; an aggressive defence and a functioning attack. England developed their defence and their set piece until we met the Boks again in the semi but at mo point fid they have a functioning attack. England's kicking game was nothing like South Africa's do I'm not sure why you are comparing them. Enjoy being RWC champs , don't waste your time on what dome pundits say
@@simonvandervyver5569 So what if some pundits critise the Boks, their job is to raise engagement on their content. Boks have won 2 rwcs despite their criticism, so why should you even care what they say . They are irrelevant Enjoy the Boks success instead
SA was the only team that scored a try, passed on some penalty kicks to play for tries, and changed their game plan to get the win. The scrum is obviously a huge part of game, otherwise you wouldn’t need props lugging around all that bulk. England played an excellent 65 minutes and absolutely deserve full credit for that - but they couldn’t score a try, and lost it to the depth of the Springbok pack. There was a lot in that 1 point difference.
The Ref was completely consistent on the SAME call. He blew up Kitshoff for the same infringement for going down on his knee, and England fans were happy to accept it and take 12 points from the penalties the Ref gave. So Genge did exactly what Kitshoff did and went down on his knee causing the scrum to be de-stabilised and blew Genge. Infringement hence a penalty.. You should know better Haskill
The way these guys and imbeciles like that Aussie who coached the Scots and now identifies as Irish go on against scrums you'd swear they want Union to convert to League, hahahaha
It's very funny, a couple of years ago when Springboks played the kicking game and gained a lot of success they were criticised to the ends of the earth. Similar criticism was cast upon them. When the 7-1 bench split took New Zealand apart, they were criticised again. Now their domination in scrums is being criticised. Very telling.
@nomawabo7546 So you are taking global media criticism of Bok play in 2019 and the opinion of an Australian ex coach who works as a pundit on scrums as the world view now that the content view is nothing good can come from Africa. Sorry but that is a ridiculous premise, it doesn't even make any sense Why are you playing the victim card , your team won ffs. Enjoy the win and stop desperately looking for something to be offended by . Its pathetic
@@patrickchilds2987oh please. We're hardly the ones playing victim and Afrophobia is real whether or not you admit it. And as for victimhood, the people tearing apart the Boks, calling them cheats, undermining their integrity, insulting how they play are all French or English. The Curry move was classic English underhanded victimhood. So don't get sanctimonious. Your denial is what's truly ridiculous
@@nikilandella6136 I font know about Afrophobia and how it relates to the Springboks at the rwc but compared to the slating England universaly received during the tournament it's not even comparable. As for the Curry Bongi incident only they know what actually happened. I dont know for certain and nor do you so stfu. The Boks were deserved winners which no one is denying that and yet your still moaning. How is that the Boks a magnificent team built on real core rugby values like robustness, honesty, humility mental strength and courage can attract someone as emotionally fragile as you as a fan. If I was a Bok plsyer reading this I would be embarrassed by you
@nikilandella6136 A few ex players as pundits on pods views on the Bok play does not constitute the opinion of he rugby main stream media . Nor is it Afrophobic, they are just opinoms .. South Africas successive victories in the rwc have been a PR coup for South Africa and the 😂 I don't know how you can post with a straight face that criticism or comment of the Boks bench selection or kicking game in rugby game is a slight not on the Springbok coaches who adopted these implementations for playing ruhby but instead it is directed specifically on the country of South Africa or Africa as a continent. I suggest you learn to use some perspective instead of playing a victim and claiming Afrophoboa for criticism by a few pundits and claiming it the view of the majority.And you are going this despite your team actually winning the rwc. It's embarrassing
As a Springbok fan I just want to say respect to you guys. That loss will feel unjustified and we've all been there. England played really well on the day and probably deserved the win. But the world cup is a funny competition where anything can and will happen. Everybody is now writing us off for the final but that's when SA is at their strongest. Love England, go Springboks!
Respect to you and to all of SA. Hopefully the final will be as great and as close as some of the knockout matches have been so far. Best of luck, either way, history will be created on the final!! 🏆🏉👏
If it was a 68 minute game,sure ,they deserved the win. Always a top world cup pedigree side.The stark reality is our depth and having guys like Ox Nche,Kwagga Smith,Deon Fourie that come in and perform magic,get penalties and points and snatch the victory. 5:46
@@mehere4684I don't like league. The lack of set pieces and rucks puts me off. Union is for all body types. Frans Malherbe wouldn't have a place in League, therefore It doesn't accommodate for all. I also feel League promotee selfish play more, running by yourself in Union is a turn over waiting to happen, in League you know you got gauranteed possession.
He didn't say that, he feels like a lot of fans of all nations that the scrum has a disproportionate effect on the result of a game especially when it is often subjective which team has infringed . Some of us have been calling for change for over a decade because it wasn't like this before, having a stronger scrum should be an advantage but not to this degree and not when a lot of the decisions are guess work.
Genge knee went down before ball went in, just as Kittsoff had earlier in the game ref was just being consistent. When that happens ref plays advantage and lets ball go in but as SA started to scrum in he called back for first infringement.
He also didn’t blow the Saffer props for dropping a knee several other times (including 5 minutes from their line, so a certain 3 points). He wasn’t consistent.
what a comment. South Africans don't play exciting rugby with all the kicks. Easy to say when it's not your team. Now all of a sudden, it's OK because it gave England the ascendancy for the majority of the game.
Totally agree. Four years ago Wales/SA semi (where similar tactics were applied by both teams) was described as the most boring game ever. Now, when commentators are describing THEIR team it's all about tactical acumen and heroic physical effort. Every team has the right to choose tactics that maximise their chance of winning.
@@gethinrees1 Not only that, apparently we were rubbish all the way through the previous WC, and yes pretty much based on that one game. The irony is, England's gameplan is entirely based on that! How tragic.
sorry for the loss, but you seem to forget Owen Farrell ill discipline that cost them 10 meters and 3 points. also Tuilagi ill discipline and the smugness with which they played. No one likes that in rugby. get the job done first then celebrate, not before the time.
Hask if you don't like scrums then go and watch League. There is a sport, called rugby league, that doesn't have scrums and guess what...it's FAR LESS POPULAR THAN UNION. How many people watch the league world cup? Stop trying to ruin our sport because you can't win under the current rules. If you don't know what's going on in scrums then go back to school - if you couldn't see SA's absolute dominance in the scrum in the second half then you don't have eyes. A child could see that England could not take the pressure they were exerting on them and were GOING BACKWARDS...not complicated.
Scrums are a fantastic part of the game but they have to be reffed properly OKeefe wasn’t capable of doing that , SA were totally dominant at scrums in the last ten minutes thanks to Genge and Sinkler who just aren’t good enough , but just because SA were dominant at scrum time doesn’t mean every scrum is automatically a pen to SA , the last and crucial penalty was clearly SA angling in to the scrum , it should have gone Englands way , Ben OKeefe would never give it Englands way though and SA knew that, which is why they could do it .
@@johndonson1603 Absolute nonsense, 1 Genge's knee goes to the ground which you cannot see on the footage but the ref clearly explains it. 2. Koch is the tighthead, he isn't scrumming into his own hooker...genge's hips are way out and he's turned Koch inside because he is scrumming in on an angle. Clear penalty to SA. Occasionally you get an incorrect scrum call, like you do in every facet, but usually they are quite obvious, you just have to know the rules.
I dont get the confusion around the last scrum that got SA the winning penalty. Ben said the prop dropped his knee and then the scrum went skew, i cannot remember the props name at the moment but he was right infront of Ben, Kitsy also got pinged for the exact same infringement in the first half, consistent reffing in that moment of the match. If you dont want to concede scrum penalties, then dont concede penalties that lead to scrums🤷🏽♂️ or just work on improving your scrum. Its a part of the game and SA made themselves the best at it, fair play in my eyes
Yeah and don’t constantly kick the ball which increase the chances of scrums happening if the player drops the ball and all England did in that game is KICK
If the ball hasn’t gone in the player gets up again , but angling in to get an advantage is a penalty the other way, of course SA knew OKeefe was going to give them the penalty no matter what .
@johndonson1603 yes the angling in was illegal but first infringement gets pinged...knee was on the ground first therefore penalty SA instead of just the "free play" you get with the advantage.
Haskell: “We lost a WC final to them because our scrum was getting humped…we should just get rid of it” That’s not really how sport works…let’s take it out because we suck at it
Haskell never says we lost a rwc final because they got humped in tbe scrum . You invented and wrote that yourself and now people are posting under it ? Does anyone actually listen to the pod before posting ?
I'm a Springbok supporter, but I have to tip my hat to England for being the first (only?) team that managed to so complete control the Springbok's game. That was very well done and very frustrating to watch 😅
@@marcdaniels9079you know why SA fans are obnoxious. England STANK of arrogance through the entire game. So we are very happy to gloat now that you lost.
England did dominate the game for 70-minutes, yet only scored 15 points. South Africa simply played the full 80 minutes and were never more than 2 scores down. They thoroughly deserved the try, almost scored a second, and through pressure in the scrum, forced the referee to make a call he had previously given against SA.
Well done England even if the the Boks were flat ( not at their best ) no surprise after two monumental games against against Ireland and France .I think the weather didnt help their flat side much either . but Champs dig deep and they did and won. However England tactics and performance was superior for most of the game . What a wonderful game rugby is !
Well they well be flatter next week I guess and will get destroyed by a NZ not tested this week. Or maybe they will win the world cup? Stop making excuses, England outplayed them and found some chinks in the armour except the scrum in the last 20min .
Funny when Ireland lost to NZ it was because of their brilliance, nothing to do with the terrible group sequence, SA were outplayed for most of the game and were extremely lucky to win that penalty at the end, Ireland should really have had a penalty awarded in the last couple of minutes and they could have nicked that one, a bit of luck at the right time makes all the difference. Fair play to Pollard for his clutch kick.
@@malehumanperson7901 and this was the same issue 4 years ago. problem is it seems fine when you play teams in the 6N who don't have a Ox, and to be fair Ox destroyed every scrum he comes up against.
Boks were down 15 to 6. England had been better and deserved to be there. They had a chance, more than one in fact, to put it away but they didn't, or couldn't. The Boks found the resolve to get away from their line and scored a coverted try to make it 15-13. They then put themselves in the right place to benefit from whatever calls went their way and thats what happened. They called a scrum in their 22 after fielding a ball. It was more than one moment.
The game was a mess,all the name calling,answer back to the ref, disrespectful to the ref,is naughty unacceptable behaviour, doesn't look good for the game.
Firstly, well done for putting this together after the beers and result yesterday. Me and my son watched, me from Sheffield, him from Huddersfield, and we were ‘gutted’. That followed real confusion about the scrum. That on us to understand the rules. Well done to all the England camp. Congrats to you all for this show. Love it.
Funny how every one talking about the penalty but no one talk about farrel gave away 3 point for arguing with the ref and giving south africa easy 3 points that changed things in a big way
James if you want to call out intangible moments then also talk about Faz disrupting the play in an off-side position when he lifted his leg to disrupt the ball and the no arms tackle on Mostert, both should have been yellow cards and both moments could have change the score line a lot more in South Africa’s favour. England played unbelievably well and deserve a lot of credit and respect but pointing out “ intangible moments” from both team will earn you more respect from people following this very good rugby show.
That was George on Mosterts and it was ball steal not a no arms tackle . The clue was George ripping the ball out of his hands . So much gor intangibles
Ummm, is anyone talking about the fact that England only scored three (3) points in the entire second half, and no points after the 53rd minute?! .... despite having 12-15 phases of possession around fulltime BTW. Additionally - over their last three halves of knockout games, they didn't score a single try.
Absolutely agree with your combined views. Celebrate the 🏴 team an what stars they are. No negatives , JUST enjoy the sport , amazing game just two mins from going to final always an England fan 🌹🏴🌹😀
One thing everyone should acknowledge now is no matter how you feel about him , Farrell show big sportmanship and character how he handled and behave after the game and his comments were spot on 😮😊
Boks played Scotland / Ireland / France to get to this game. Fatigue and weather had a definite impact on performance. England had a good game against a poor Arg. and then really not much in opposition but for their poor performance. One swallow does not make summer, certainly hopeful but self belief in a pedigree team that’s been there done that came out on top.
Imagine if it was South African with all that kicking, we wouldn't hear the end of it that we play a boring rugby etc. But nonetheless if we win Saturday night we would've played all the top 6 teams.
You won’t win Saturday though , all NZ have to do is gain parity up front and their backs will do the rest , they have absolutely played the main to form and the Boks are on the way down.
@@johndonson1603 Well, with knockout games expect anything friend. Who would've thought yesterday England would take us everything to win against them but eventually we came out with a scrapy win. Our boys have resilience and determination to fight until the end. I've no doubt come Saturday they will give everything until the last whistle. Come Saturday they will be ready and they will find a way to win that I can assure you friend.
Except they did attack through the hands a couple times in the second half and executed a fantastic line out and attack off the line out to score the vital try. The conditions demanded kicking but the ‘boks adjusted their tactics and won as a result. England? Not even close.
Gents, thank you for some brilliantly passionate and balanced coverage. As a diehard Bok fan I agree with every word you said. England deserved it, and they outplayed us, in terms of how to play those conditions. Looking ahead, England are in a better place than most: Borthwick is a man's man, who doesn't throw his players under the bus, and he instills trust. The young blood is there for the next 4 year cycle. All you need is a proper Attack Coach to create try-scoring strategies, and you'll come back thrice as hard next WC.
No they needed 80 mins a actually because the first 65 mins they were smashed. Anyway the ABs will only need 80 mins next weekend to shut up the arrogant obnoxious Bok fans
Fair weather English rugby fan here, first time I’ve watched rugby since the last World Cup as I’m living in the states now. What I didn’t understand was England’s unwillingness to run with the ball and keep possession especially so in the last 20 minutes it seemed like we had some amazing possession but we would immediately kick the ball back to them. I’m sure there was a stage where we could have kept the ball and worked towards creating a drop goal attempt but we just gave it straight back to them. Also feel like we missed some amazing opportunities to score a try, but it felt like we didn’t even want to score one. That lineout we had right on there line seemed to be a huge missed opportunity. Based on all the views of rugby experts this week I thought we were going to get battered so for that not to happen seemed like a victory in itself BUT I was left feeling like it was a huge opportunity missed.
Great program guys! Always, always awesome! My 2 cents: When the Boks play, they ALWAYS go to war. Real war. That means planning from EVERY aspect. Every angle. Both on the field and off. Both reffing decisions and conditions. Both HIAs and cards. Everything. I'm sure most other teams do that as well. But. The Boks just do it all marginally (and I do mean marginally) better. It makes a tiny difference. Perhaps by a point. Or 2 points. However, what they do definitely do better, is grasp the concept of war. We will use some, we will win some. That's a given. But their war has real relevance. Agree or not, understand or not, but their war does bring hope and meaning to millions. Real hope and real meaning. The win last night ignited a nation. Lose next week and it deflates a nation. That's huge. It's huge because it makes a real, tangible difference in people's lives. In closing, England, you were nothing short of magnificent last night. Magnificent (and I'm your enemy). But respect in every sense. And your sportsmanship post-game was even bigger than your hearts on the field. Well done and well played. You WILL have your time. But for now, we salute you for a fine war.
LOIL, have YOU seen the state of South Africa as a nation! And you have the audacity to state that's why the English lost? If your country men stood up to the crap that's going on, instead of folding like paper when water is applied, perhaps J-berg wouldn't be the rape and murder capital of the world. @@MorkelErasmus
England was magnificent! I’m South African, watched the game amongst English supporters in an English pub - what an experience - There was overwhelming determination from the English side, Owen Farrell was awesomely fierce, I think you guys did magnificently and in many ways you did win the game - the English supporters we two Saffas were amongst were gracious in defeat, I respect that and England’s time will come. 2027 here you come.
England did everything right to win, except hold out for 80 minutes. Key moments - reverse penalty on Tuilagi, Vunipola spilling his first carry, George fluffing his lineout throws (especially THAT throw), Genge and Sinkler getting done by their opposites
It was an epic game, English lads can stand tall and proud, lots of respect was earned on the pitch. A fair bit has been said about that scrum as the game changer, but we should also consider that the English were outscored in the second half, there was a momentum shift, and the last play of the game was in the hands of England. Knockout games can be brutal.
Perhaps ferocity and the determination to win at all costs is no substitute for camaraderie, the love of the game and the excitement of breaking through to score a try. The game was a continuous grind. Not many moments between team mates congratulating each other on the field after a try - except when RG scored. Very few smiles in 80 minutes.
In the conditions yesterday England were on top because of excellent tactics excellently executed on the day. Kudos to England. We have been where you are many times. That's sport. Btw scrum and forward play in general were a strength of England rugby when you were at your strongest. Instead of wanting to eliminate the role of half the team, go back to your roots. Truth is in the modern game you need a balance between forwards and backs. SA have that balance, France have that balance, Ireland have that balance and New Zealand have that balance.
No shit Sherlock it’s been decided but refs for an age , haha when nz and that were getting done over by calls it’s New Zealand is shit and lost the aura but now happens to Ireland France England it’s fuck the ref haha
Ireland and even Scotland must be shaking their heads. If any team that could actually play a bit of rugby came across such a lacklustre SA team and had the same level of dominance in the game, they would be in the final. Shows England’s limitations. Never once threatened the SA line, just kick the ball up in the air and hope for a mistake. If you would actually pay money into the RFU coffers to watch that tosh then you’ve got too much!!
England played to a plan but it doesn't necessarily mean this performance guaranteed England a win. they never looked at scoring tries. they planned for a smash n grab. Be happy for what you achieved in this tournament. but don't for once think you were the better side. the game is 80mins!
Well said, as soon as I hear people banging on about referee's I know we're done, some people just love to nurse a grievance, it's their favorite thing
Perhaps my opinion will not be popular, but I reckon we've reached a point where a whole bunch of penalties in Rugby should be classed as "non scoring penalties" - similar to a differential penalty in Rugby League. Sure, still blow the whistle if you're a Ref, let them kick for touch if they want, but remove the ability to score 3 points from penalties which are mostly inconsequential.
ENG finally found their mongrel, was a marvellous thing to watch them play with such belief for what seems the 1st time since 2019. Gave me palpitations tho. Hope the Boks have it in the tank for 1 more week.
James Haskell, being a South African living in Australia - with ZERO union sport being shown - contested scrums & lineouts is what makes rugby beautiful. We lost against Ireland in thats scrum at the end. League is horrible! Grubby players who have the worst attitude on & off the field. I miss rugby union and the discipline and real gentleman feel so much. Once the World Cup is over, we go back to zero union.. so please, let’s not want union to be more like league.
Some of the best people I've ever known have been involved in rugby league. It's really horrible to generalize even if you don't understand or like rugby league.
It’s on Stan in Oz and if you live in 5 regions you can attend super rugby. Poor to generalise about everyone in league there are many great ppl involved, it’s like saying ‘South Africans are all horrible thugs’ because a few have eye gouged and head butted others in the past.
In the 2007 RWC quarters England’s scrum pulverised Australia and in so doing earned England the penalties which ultimately won them that game, 12-10, despite not scoring a try. Sometimes different aspects of your game are stronger than others, and sometimes not.
I never heard any England fans moaning about scrums back in the days when we used to destroy the likes of Australia , at scrum time . If you don`t like it - watch Rugby League .
Need to keep those emotions in check. This has been a brilliant RWC all hate and negativity aside. France has hosted a wonderful and hospitable tournament. It’s a pity to see favourites get knocked out but that is the nature of sport.
Even when you’re not 100% certain, there was a clear dominant scrum, so ultimately it’s not a difficult call to decide a game, people talk about giving the ref the right picture and English scrum didn’t do that.
Still trying to figure out how does one celebrate a loose? Games are won by scoring a try and kicking penalties, not by kicking the ball up in the middle of the park 🎉
Perhaps you have misunderstood the laws of rugby. It’s quite simple really; the team with the most points at the end wins. There is no stipulation of how these points are accumulated FFS 🤦♂️
Wow, wow, wow. I'm lost for words. James Haskell is now the definition of "Whinging Pom". Sorry that's not now or never has been politically correct, but boy did he just define it. It wasn't the ref calling one penalty on one scrum that lost England that game, it was their inability to put the Bok to the death, to play a game where they can stack on points. It's a typical pattern I've seen in Northern hemisphere games, shutting down in later parts of games, to just defend what they think is a winning lead. That mentality was obvious last night and it cost you dearly. By the time England realized they needed more points, they had been out-subbed by South Africa and were now the 2nd best team in the park. So depth (benches) and late game management are what cost England. Moaning about scrums and the ref is just an upset Englishmen. The scrums were not boring, the relentless back and forth aerial ping pong sure was. It's why I hope against hope we have a dry final.
Well said James Haskell. It was a brave effort yesterday. Bodies put on the line from the start to the end. It was a very cruel ending for the team and supporters.
As an Irish fan, I've always thought that England should never shy away from their strengths in Rugby, and that has always been and will always be forward play. South Africa is the same, but you never hear the Boks or their fans apologise for how they play, nor should they, when pundits or fans from other countries slag their play as boring or one-dimensional etc. The books shrug their shoulders and tell you this is how we play, and if you want to beat us, you'll have to meet and beat us in the trenches. England should be the same. Don't be lured into playing more expansive, more sexy rugby because of what others say. England will always produce huge forwards in big numbers and the scrum, lineout and maul is where England should plant their flag.
@@Krampus5164 😂🤣 Now you're calling us boring yet its you lot who can't even score a single try smh😏 England fans are such sore losers. Enjoy the 3rd/4th place playoffs 👍🏻 Us Saffas have bigger fish to fry.
England only made it this far because of the draw. They sucked coming in they sucked last night. They couldn't beat a tired bok team worn down by a massive game against France, with a short turnaround. Never planned on scoring a try. Just wanted to win off kicks. WEAK!! Farrell is a cynical negetive player who cost ENG the game with his rotten attitude. He also could've made things worse with his yellow card worthy lifting of the knee whilst in an offside position on the floor, to disturb de allende pass causing de allende to mess up his pass close to the ENG try line. Lucky ref was looking for an ENG win and didn't ping him.
The boys did us proud 🌹 🏴 The scrum penalties only came when we changed our props… Genge & Sinckler lost the battle up front. It was at this point the game started to slip away. Ref was consistent and had a good game for me.
Guys seriously. England had only one game plan they could have played and they played it brilliantly! Slow, spoiling, kicking, kicking, kicking. Their problem is: that is all they can do. They have very few other ways to play. England has a major problem - huge amounts of work to do.
4:50 The Captain IS a lunatic. If it wasnt for his idiotic behaviour behaving like a prat by holding onto the ball after the penalty was awarded, the Boks wouldn't have been given another 10m - easier kick. That one moment alone would have won the English the game.
England need players that can score tries against semi-final level teams. All the rest (mgmt / coaching / tenacity / playing hearts out / PR / fan disrespect, etc) is irrelevant. We can't score tries.
Guys you should also look at the Mark called by Le Roux. I freeze framed it and he caught the ball, didnt call mark, touched the 22 line then stepped on it and called for mark. The TMO needed to intervene but he didn’t
Key players have been developed through this RWC which should be there over the next few years; Mitchell as SH, Smith as FH, Steward as FB, Martin and Chessum as SR, Earl & Curry in backrow. Those 7 players are the spine of the team. We need some decent front rowers and that is the biggest weakness.
This point was made on a Irish rugby show and I agree with it, Rugby is a sport and sport is entertainment and to make rugby entertaining to anyone other than diehard fans something has to be done about the scrums. If you have a dominant pack you’re going to use it to get penalties, but if you’re a newby what would you sooner watch, England playing a grinding match with few or no trys or the All Blacks, or Fiji, spinning it along the backline? Simplistic, I know, but you get the gist.
Get rid of the scrum? Okeefe was consistent in his adjudication. As for England - they were one dimensional. The Springboks were able to attack when needed.
Hask..'the best team' is not determined by public opinion, it is determined through getting results and standing up during the big moments in big games.
As a South Africa if I may give you some advise:PLEASE KEEP YOUR COACH FOR THE SAKE OF THE GAME RUGBY BECAUSE HE IS A BRILLIANT AND ON TOP OF IT HE IS A KIND HEARTED HUMAN BEING WITH NO HATE IN HIS HEART ..I AM SURE AFTER SAW HIM INTERACTING AFTER THE GAME. . CAREL- SOUTH AFRICA
I can guarantee you that 99.9% of Bok supporters thought that England had us, and they did for the most part. Great game plan which they executed really well, but we managed to find a way. Shows the strength in depth and character we have. Love to see England lose but respect to what they achieved from where they came from.
I’ll always remember my Grandfather telling me “Its not how you start, its how you finish”. England played their best game of the tournament but just couldn’t keep their composure in the final 10 minutes. SA’s big match temperament and sheer bloody-mindedness got them over the line. This is Rugby. ❤Respect. 🙌🏽
As soon as a country plays South Africa they suddenly say scrums are pointless 😂
Not pointless - he said the refereeing of scrum infringements is often arbitrary. Many commentators and summarisers point out that no one individual can see everything that's going on in a scrum in real time.
Scrummaging illegally is pointless you must push straight. SA's trick is step out to the right and bore in that is illegal it's not Scrummaging its trickery because they're weak as we saw all night. SA should be penalised every time its the same mistake Okeefe made in tbe French game.
@@indricotherium4802 yes that is true…but yesterday you didn’t need a magnifying glass to see that England’s scrum was no match for the boks scrum
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Maybe learn how to scrum?Your coach had HOW long to teach them England?
Amazing how when say SA played the ‘kick all day’ game in 2019 we were ruining the game or rugby but now England kick the ball 40+ times it’s majestic………..
It's not amazing at all . Its really not that complicated
1) England used a kicking game playing the conditions and the height of the Bok back three which to be fair almost paid off .
2) What has that got to do with criticism of Bok rugby back in 2019 ?
Nothing do why even mention it ffs
@@patrickchilds2987 because many pundits and commentators have said SA are boring. The same pundits said it was boring in 2019 and again now. So when England are praised for doing the same thing it’s just a bit ironic…
In 4 years from now, England will have caught up to where SA are now.... and they will still lose and criticize us for how we play 4 years from now...
@benji8113
Firstly why do you even care what these pundits said in 2019, the Boks won . Boks then won again in 2023 and your still moaning about these pundits said . Who cares.
The Boks playing style in rwc 2019 is nothing like England in 2023 .The Boks had a brutal set piece; an aggressive defence and a functioning attack. England developed their defence and their set piece until we met the Boks again in the semi but at mo point fid they have a functioning attack. England's kicking game was nothing like South Africa's do I'm not sure why you are comparing them.
Enjoy being RWC champs , don't waste your time on what dome pundits say
@@simonvandervyver5569
So what if some pundits critise the Boks, their job is to raise engagement on their content. Boks have won 2 rwcs despite their criticism, so why should you even care what they say . They are irrelevant Enjoy the Boks success instead
Genge's knee went down in the last scrum and that's what the ref blew his whistle for.
i believe that if the ball hasnt been put in is doesnt matter if he gets back up
Plus if you take another look the saffy prop was boring into a different county
@@dubhuggi
Exactly , but OKeefe is never going to give anything Englands way .
@johndonson1603 Genge's knee gave way, resulting in the SA player boring.
@@matmul4850
How do you know ?
SA was the only team that scored a try, passed on some penalty kicks to play for tries, and changed their game plan to get the win. The scrum is obviously a huge part of game, otherwise you wouldn’t need props lugging around all that bulk. England played an excellent 65 minutes and absolutely deserve full credit for that - but they couldn’t score a try, and lost it to the depth of the Springbok pack. There was a lot in that 1 point difference.
Facts. They're better than us. But still hurts.
Well said
The Ref was completely consistent on the SAME call. He blew up Kitshoff for the same infringement for going down on his knee, and England fans were happy to accept it and take 12 points from the penalties the Ref gave. So Genge did exactly what Kitshoff did and went down on his knee causing the scrum to be de-stabilised and blew Genge. Infringement hence a penalty.. You should know better Haskill
The way these guys and imbeciles like that Aussie who coached the Scots and now identifies as Irish go on against scrums you'd swear they want Union to convert to League, hahahaha
AND THERE IS FOOTAGE
English bias, he can't help it.
Everytime I hear a brit moan about the ref I smirk like Farrell.
Hask is right
It's very funny, a couple of years ago when Springboks played the kicking game and gained a lot of success they were criticised to the ends of the earth. Similar criticism was cast upon them. When the 7-1 bench split took New Zealand apart, they were criticised again. Now their domination in scrums is being criticised. Very telling.
It's simple, to them nothing good can come from Africa the basis is real and we can see it happening in real time.
@nomawabo7546
So you are taking global media criticism of Bok play in 2019 and the opinion of an Australian ex coach who works as a pundit on scrums as the world view now that the content view is nothing good can come from Africa.
Sorry but that is a ridiculous premise, it doesn't even make any sense
Why are you playing the victim card , your team won ffs. Enjoy the win and stop desperately looking for something to be offended by . Its pathetic
@@patrickchilds2987oh please. We're hardly the ones playing victim and Afrophobia is real whether or not you admit it.
And as for victimhood, the people tearing apart the Boks, calling them cheats, undermining their integrity, insulting how they play are all French or English. The Curry move was classic English underhanded victimhood.
So don't get sanctimonious. Your denial is what's truly ridiculous
@@nikilandella6136
I font know about Afrophobia and how it relates to the Springboks at the rwc but compared to the slating England universaly received during the tournament it's not even comparable.
As for the Curry Bongi incident only they know what actually happened. I dont know for certain and nor do you so stfu.
The Boks were deserved winners which no one is denying that and yet your still moaning.
How is that the Boks a magnificent team built on real core rugby values like robustness, honesty, humility mental strength and courage can attract someone as emotionally fragile as you as a fan. If I was a Bok plsyer reading this I would be embarrassed by you
@nikilandella6136
A few ex players as pundits on pods views on the Bok play does not constitute the opinion of he rugby main stream media . Nor is it Afrophobic, they are just opinoms .. South Africas successive victories in the rwc have been a PR coup for South Africa and the 😂
I don't know how you can post with a straight face that criticism or comment of the Boks bench selection or kicking game in rugby game is a slight not on the Springbok coaches who adopted these implementations for playing ruhby but instead it is directed specifically on the country of South Africa or Africa as a continent.
I suggest you learn to use some perspective instead of playing a victim and claiming Afrophoboa for criticism by a few pundits and claiming it the view of the majority.And you are going this despite your team actually winning the rwc.
It's embarrassing
As a Springbok fan I just want to say respect to you guys. That loss will feel unjustified and we've all been there. England played really well on the day and probably deserved the win. But the world cup is a funny competition where anything can and will happen. Everybody is now writing us off for the final but that's when SA is at their strongest. Love England, go Springboks!
Good luck in the final. I'll be rooting for ya! I personally love our styles of rugby.
Respect to you and to all of SA. Hopefully the final will be as great and as close as some of the knockout matches have been so far. Best of luck, either way, history will be created on the final!! 🏆🏉👏
Who is writing you off? It's clearly the ABs who are going in as underdogs. They lost convincingly to SA on their last meeting.
If it was a 68 minute game,sure ,they deserved the win.
Always a top world cup pedigree side.The stark reality is our depth and having guys like Ox Nche,Kwagga Smith,Deon Fourie that come in and perform magic,get penalties and points and snatch the victory. 5:46
I used to enjoy this show. Now it is just complaining about aspects of the game England struggle with
That and telling everyone how they should love Farrell and if you don’t you are a knobhead.
All day everyday. This show lacks so much personality, especially when compared to GBRA!
Calling for the scrum to go away cause you lost is just poor sportsmanship! If u want to watch League watch league dont.
League is better🎉
League is so great that it is an afterthought.
@@mehere4684I don't like league. The lack of set pieces and rucks puts me off. Union is for all body types. Frans Malherbe wouldn't have a place in League, therefore It doesn't accommodate for all. I also feel League promotee selfish play more, running by yourself in Union is a turn over waiting to happen, in League you know you got gauranteed possession.
League world wide is as popular as ice skating 😂😂 and I actually love the NRL just facts
He didn't say that, he feels like a lot of fans of all nations that the scrum has a disproportionate effect on the result of a game especially when it is often subjective which team has infringed . Some of us have been calling for change for over a decade because it wasn't like this before, having a stronger scrum should be an advantage but not to this degree and not when a lot of the decisions are guess work.
Genge knee went down before ball went in, just as Kittsoff had earlier in the game ref was just being consistent. When that happens ref plays advantage and lets ball go in but as SA started to scrum in he called back for first infringement.
Go away with your facts, they're not wanted here....
Genge knee's goes down because Koch bores in on the English hooker, and Genge doesn't have a shoulder to push against.
He also didn’t blow the Saffer props for dropping a knee several other times (including 5 minutes from their line, so a certain 3 points). He wasn’t consistent.
Well if Tindell is true to his word he should be bashing that English performance for being boring kicking the leather off it
what a comment. South Africans don't play exciting rugby with all the kicks. Easy to say when it's not your team. Now all of a sudden, it's OK because it gave England the ascendancy for the majority of the game.
Totally agree. Four years ago Wales/SA semi (where similar tactics were applied by both teams) was described as the most boring game ever. Now, when commentators are describing THEIR team it's all about tactical acumen and heroic physical effort. Every team has the right to choose tactics that maximise their chance of winning.
That's how bias works doesn't it! Of course he won't say that.
@@gethinrees1 Not only that, apparently we were rubbish all the way through the previous WC, and yes pretty much based on that one game. The irony is, England's gameplan is entirely based on that! How tragic.
@@martmeister it’s hypocrisy hey😂😂
sorry for the loss, but you seem to forget Owen Farrell ill discipline that cost them 10 meters and 3 points. also Tuilagi ill discipline and the smugness with which they played. No one likes that in rugby. get the job done first then celebrate, not before the time.
Hask if you don't like scrums then go and watch League. There is a sport, called rugby league, that doesn't have scrums and guess what...it's FAR LESS POPULAR THAN UNION. How many people watch the league world cup? Stop trying to ruin our sport because you can't win under the current rules. If you don't know what's going on in scrums then go back to school - if you couldn't see SA's absolute dominance in the scrum in the second half then you don't have eyes. A child could see that England could not take the pressure they were exerting on them and were GOING BACKWARDS...not complicated.
Scrums are a fantastic part of the game but they have to be reffed properly OKeefe wasn’t capable of doing that , SA were totally dominant at scrums in the last ten minutes thanks to Genge and Sinkler who just aren’t good enough , but just because SA were dominant at scrum time doesn’t mean every scrum is automatically a pen to SA , the last and crucial penalty was clearly SA angling in to the scrum , it should have gone Englands way , Ben OKeefe would never give it Englands way though and SA knew that, which is why they could do it .
@@johndonson1603 Absolute nonsense, 1 Genge's knee goes to the ground which you cannot see on the footage but the ref clearly explains it. 2. Koch is the tighthead, he isn't scrumming into his own hooker...genge's hips are way out and he's turned Koch inside because he is scrumming in on an angle. Clear penalty to SA. Occasionally you get an incorrect scrum call, like you do in every facet, but usually they are quite obvious, you just have to know the rules.
Hatch and John Donson should read the rules !
Sorry" Hask" !
I dont get the confusion around the last scrum that got SA the winning penalty. Ben said the prop dropped his knee and then the scrum went skew, i cannot remember the props name at the moment but he was right infront of Ben, Kitsy also got pinged for the exact same infringement in the first half, consistent reffing in that moment of the match. If you dont want to concede scrum penalties, then dont concede penalties that lead to scrums🤷🏽♂️ or just work on improving your scrum. Its a part of the game and SA made themselves the best at it, fair play in my eyes
Yeah and don’t constantly kick the ball which increase the chances of scrums happening if the player drops the ball and all England did in that game is KICK
These guys are cry babies and always twist the narrative to fit what they want
If the ball hasn’t gone in the player gets up again , but angling in to get an advantage is a penalty the other way, of course SA knew OKeefe was going to give them the penalty no matter what .
Although I do agree with your other points
@johndonson1603 yes the angling in was illegal but first infringement gets pinged...knee was on the ground first therefore penalty SA instead of just the "free play" you get with the advantage.
Well done bokke! They never gave up and it got them through in the end 🇿🇦
Haskell: “We lost a WC final to them because our scrum was getting humped…we should just get rid of it” That’s not really how sport works…let’s take it out because we suck at it
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SA can still beat them with no scrum 😂😂
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Haskell never says we lost a rwc final because they got humped in tbe scrum .
You invented and wrote that yourself and now people are posting under it ?
Does anyone actually listen to the pod before posting ?
I'm a Springbok supporter, but I have to tip my hat to England for being the first (only?) team that managed to so complete control the Springbok's game. That was very well done and very frustrating to watch 😅
What a great game, it did what sport is supposed to do, I was on the edge off my seat from start to finish.
The best comment I heard, England at their best couldn’t beat SA at their worst.
SA at their worst because they were smashed in every facet of the game for 65 mins. No grace from SA fans win or lose always obnoxious.
have some grace you bellend.
@@marcdaniels9079 massive congrats England for winning the “better for 65min trophy”!
@@marcdaniels9079if only it wasn't an 80min game eh.
@@marcdaniels9079you know why SA fans are obnoxious. England STANK of arrogance through the entire game. So we are very happy to gloat now that you lost.
Only one team scored a try.
Agree that SA had poor game
But difference was playing to your strength and staying calm under pressure
The best teams are in the final, it's RWC and those who show up, win, end of story.
Irish fan, saying why the F is Courtney Lawes retiring? Dude you are still exceptional.
England did dominate the game for 70-minutes, yet only scored 15 points. South Africa simply played the full 80 minutes and were never more than 2 scores down. They thoroughly deserved the try, almost scored a second, and through pressure in the scrum, forced the referee to make a call he had previously given against SA.
I disagree about 70m, England played a great 1st half, 2nd half got gradually flat, just a drop goal, cuz SA didn't concede penalties.
Well done England even if the the Boks were flat ( not at their best ) no surprise after two monumental games against against Ireland and France .I think the weather didnt help their flat side much either . but Champs dig deep and they did and won. However England tactics and performance was superior for most of the game . What a wonderful game rugby is !
Well they well be flatter next week I guess and will get destroyed by a NZ not tested this week. Or maybe they will win the world cup? Stop making excuses, England outplayed them and found some chinks in the armour except the scrum in the last 20min
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Funny when Ireland lost to NZ it was because of their brilliance, nothing to do with the terrible group sequence, SA were outplayed for most of the game and were extremely lucky to win that penalty at the end, Ireland should really have had a penalty awarded in the last couple of minutes and they could have nicked that one, a bit of luck at the right time makes all the difference. Fair play to Pollard for his clutch kick.
It is the lack of hope that kills you BUT it's the lack of ambition that stops you scoring enough points. 😢
Best comment of the world cup
It wasn't "ambition" that killed England. It was the fact England didn't have a scrummager as a reserve TH.
@@malehumanperson7901 and this was the same issue 4 years ago. problem is it seems fine when you play teams in the 6N who don't have a Ox, and to be fair Ox destroyed every scrum he comes up against.
Boks were down 15 to 6. England had been better and deserved to be there. They had a chance, more than one in fact, to put it away but they didn't, or couldn't. The Boks found the resolve to get away from their line and scored a coverted try to make it 15-13.
They then put themselves in the right place to benefit from whatever calls went their way and thats what happened. They called a scrum in their 22 after fielding a ball. It was more than one moment.
The game was a mess,all the name calling,answer back to the ref, disrespectful to the ref,is naughty unacceptable behaviour, doesn't look good for the game.
Firstly, well done for putting this together after the beers and result yesterday. Me and my son watched, me from Sheffield, him from Huddersfield, and we were ‘gutted’. That followed real confusion about the scrum. That on us to understand the rules. Well done to all the England camp. Congrats to you all for this show. Love it.
Best comment on this thread 👏
Funny how every one talking about the penalty but no one talk about farrel gave away 3 point for arguing with the ref and giving south africa easy 3 points that changed things in a big way
OX CHANGED THE GAME WHEN HE CAME ON
Great sum up from James Haskell - Just appreciate that this is what sport is about.
James if you want to call out intangible moments then also talk about Faz disrupting the play in an off-side position when he lifted his leg to disrupt the ball and the no arms tackle on Mostert, both should have been yellow cards and both moments could have change the score line a lot more in South Africa’s favour. England played unbelievably well and deserve a lot of credit and respect but pointing out “ intangible moments” from both team will earn you more respect from people following this very good rugby show.
this! Owen should have copped a yellow for this, game dynamic shifts.
That was George on Mosterts and it was ball steal not a no arms tackle . The clue was George ripping the ball out of his hands . So much gor intangibles
Ummm, is anyone talking about the fact that England only scored three (3) points in the entire second half, and no points after the 53rd minute?!
.... despite having 12-15 phases of possession around fulltime BTW.
Additionally - over their last three halves of knockout games, they didn't score a single try.
Farrell even sang 'god save the Queen' at the start of the game!
😂😂 I saw that
Vunipola's selection on the bench ahead of Ludlam was a travesty.
Vunipola coughed up points for SA.
Absolutely agree with your combined views. Celebrate the 🏴 team an what stars they are. No negatives , JUST enjoy the sport , amazing game just two mins from going to final always an England fan 🌹🏴🌹😀
Still lost😉 Enjoy the 3rd/4th place playoffs. I'll watch my beloved Boks play in the final again👍🏻
One thing everyone should acknowledge now is no matter how you feel about him , Farrell show big sportmanship and character how he handled and behave after the game and his comments were spot on 😮😊
Hey Haskell, the Springboks have smoked the English scrum throughout the 2nd half... it wasnt just one scrum. Dude, your better than that.
Boks played Scotland / Ireland / France to get to this game. Fatigue and weather had a definite impact on performance. England had a good game against a poor Arg. and then really not much in opposition but for their poor performance. One swallow does not make summer, certainly hopeful but self belief in a pedigree team that’s been there done that came out on top.
U are spot on Mr Douglas. Exactly my thoughts but u put in into words perfectly
Imagine if it was South African with all that kicking, we wouldn't hear the end of it that we play a boring rugby etc. But nonetheless if we win Saturday night we would've played all the top 6 teams.
You won’t win Saturday though , all NZ have to do is gain parity up front and their backs will do the rest , they have absolutely played the main to form and the Boks are on the way down.
SA did the same amount of kicking you belter
@@johndonson1603 Well, with knockout games expect anything friend. Who would've thought yesterday England would take us everything to win against them but eventually we came out with a scrapy win. Our boys have resilience and determination to fight until the end. I've no doubt come Saturday they will give everything until the last whistle. Come Saturday they will be ready and they will find a way to win that I can assure you friend.
@@johndonson1603funny that's what everyone said in 2019 after our semi-finals against wales😉
Except they did attack through the hands a couple times in the second half and executed a fantastic line out and attack off the line out to score the vital try. The conditions demanded kicking but the ‘boks adjusted their tactics and won as a result. England? Not even close.
Gents, thank you for some brilliantly passionate and balanced coverage.
As a diehard Bok fan I agree with every word you said.
England deserved it, and they outplayed us, in terms of how to play those conditions.
Looking ahead, England are in a better place than most:
Borthwick is a man's man, who doesn't throw his players under the bus, and he instills trust.
The young blood is there for the next 4 year cycle.
All you need is a proper Attack Coach to create try-scoring strategies, and you'll come back thrice as hard next WC.
"I dont want to blame the ref BUT...." 😂😂😂
Scrums win ball possession and territory + elevation of pressure. A great tool to gain control 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
Springboks only needed 4 min of good rugby to beat England
Been proven….
No they needed 80 mins a actually because the first 65 mins they were smashed. Anyway the ABs will only need 80 mins next weekend to shut up the arrogant obnoxious Bok fans
65min smashed...and still can't beat us..hahahaha😂😂
England played the best I have seen for 2 years. The six nations will show where England are.
Did you really just say make it like league rugby? Why not touch rugby then! 😂
Ben O’Keefe was absolutely outstanding for the springboks last night fair play.
He was worth at least 6 points to them.
Their man of the match by far
And your mom was worth 4
@@jonathandavis8599😂😂
@@jonathandavis8599❤ having met his mom...3 is a bit generous - maybe 1.5 and some change..
Fair weather English rugby fan here, first time I’ve watched rugby since the last World Cup as I’m living in the states now. What I didn’t understand was England’s unwillingness to run with the ball and keep possession especially so in the last 20 minutes it seemed like we had some amazing possession but we would immediately kick the ball back to them. I’m sure there was a stage where we could have kept the ball and worked towards creating a drop goal attempt but we just gave it straight back to them. Also feel like we missed some amazing opportunities to score a try, but it felt like we didn’t even want to score one. That lineout we had right on there line seemed to be a huge missed opportunity. Based on all the views of rugby experts this week I thought we were going to get battered so for that not to happen seemed like a victory in itself BUT I was left feeling like it was a huge opportunity missed.
Great program guys! Always, always awesome! My 2 cents: When the Boks play, they ALWAYS go to war. Real war. That means planning from EVERY aspect. Every angle. Both on the field and off. Both reffing decisions and conditions. Both HIAs and cards. Everything. I'm sure most other teams do that as well. But. The Boks just do it all marginally (and I do mean marginally) better. It makes a tiny difference. Perhaps by a point. Or 2 points. However, what they do definitely do better, is grasp the concept of war. We will use some, we will win some. That's a given. But their war has real relevance. Agree or not, understand or not, but their war does bring hope and meaning to millions. Real hope and real meaning. The win last night ignited a nation. Lose next week and it deflates a nation. That's huge. It's huge because it makes a real, tangible difference in people's lives. In closing, England, you were nothing short of magnificent last night. Magnificent (and I'm your enemy). But respect in every sense. And your sportsmanship post-game was even bigger than your hearts on the field. Well done and well played. You WILL have your time. But for now, we salute you for a fine war.
Pipe down with the war fetishism. It's a game.
@@gileschenery974 😂😂😂😂😂 A little sensitive 😂😂😂😂😂
@@gileschenery974 this mentality is why you lost haha
LOIL, have YOU seen the state of South Africa as a nation! And you have the audacity to state that's why the English lost? If your country men stood up to the crap that's going on, instead of folding like paper when water is applied, perhaps J-berg wouldn't be the rape and murder capital of the world. @@MorkelErasmus
England was magnificent! I’m South African, watched the game amongst English supporters in an English pub - what an experience - There was overwhelming determination from the English side, Owen Farrell was awesomely fierce, I think you guys did magnificently and in many ways you did win the game - the English supporters we two Saffas were amongst were gracious in defeat, I respect that and England’s time will come. 2027 here you come.
England did everything right to win, except hold out for 80 minutes. Key moments - reverse penalty on Tuilagi, Vunipola spilling his first carry, George fluffing his lineout throws (especially THAT throw), Genge and Sinkler getting done by their opposites
Farrell mouthing off at the ref and getting marched 10. He’s the captain and should know better.
It was an epic game, English lads can stand tall and proud, lots of respect was earned on the pitch. A fair bit has been said about that scrum as the game changer, but we should also consider that the English were outscored in the second half, there was a momentum shift, and the last play of the game was in the hands of England. Knockout games can be brutal.
I love listening to Hask, I don't think there is a single commentator that talks more rubbish but you just have to love the delivery.
Hask a commentator?? 🤣😂 He's just an ex-player who has an opinion. Professional commentators don't go on stupid long rants.
Love you guys! I love England ⚘ a lot, but my blood is green🇿🇦🦌. Hope you appreciate the following...
We have the better Ginger... 😂
Perhaps ferocity and the determination to win at all costs is no substitute for camaraderie, the love of the game and the excitement of breaking through to score a try. The game was a continuous grind. Not many moments between team mates congratulating each other on the field after a try - except when RG scored. Very few smiles in 80 minutes.
In the conditions yesterday England were on top because of excellent tactics excellently executed on the day. Kudos to England. We have been where you are many times. That's sport. Btw scrum and forward play in general were a strength of England rugby when you were at your strongest. Instead of wanting to eliminate the role of half the team, go back to your roots. Truth is in the modern game you need a balance between forwards and backs. SA have that balance, France have that balance, Ireland have that balance and New Zealand have that balance.
Great chat as always. Just purchased my ticket for your tour. See you in November.
Another great pod guys 🎉🎉🎉
I'm new here - definitely one of the best podcasts etc channel I watch!
The Rugby Pod with Jim Hamilton is a lot better.
No shit Sherlock it’s been decided but refs for an age , haha when nz and that were getting done over by calls it’s New Zealand is shit and lost the aura but now happens to Ireland France England it’s fuck the ref haha
England couldn't score try
went to sleep 65 min
Ireland and even Scotland must be shaking their heads. If any team that could actually play a bit of rugby came across such a lacklustre SA team and had the same level of dominance in the game, they would be in the final.
Shows England’s limitations. Never once threatened the SA line, just kick the ball up in the air and hope for a mistake.
If you would actually pay money into the RFU coffers to watch that tosh then you’ve got too much!!
England played to a plan but it doesn't necessarily mean this performance guaranteed England a win. they never looked at scoring tries. they planned for a smash n grab. Be happy for what you achieved in this tournament. but don't for once think you were the better side. the game is 80mins!
Indeed, didn't make a single linebreak.
Better side for 65 mins though … all the SA players have conceded this
I expect SA will be doing the smash and grab next weekend. Pollard will start and will kick the leather off the ball.
Well said, as soon as I hear people banging on about referee's I know we're done, some people just love to nurse a grievance, it's their favorite thing
Haskell said South Africa deserved to win, did you not watch the video?
Perhaps my opinion will not be popular, but I reckon we've reached a point where a whole bunch of penalties in Rugby should be classed as "non scoring penalties" - similar to a differential penalty in Rugby League. Sure, still blow the whistle if you're a Ref, let them kick for touch if they want, but remove the ability to score 3 points from penalties which are mostly inconsequential.
interesting idea .. perhaps also/alternatively prohibit tries directly from a lineout maul ..
ENG finally found their mongrel, was a marvellous thing to watch them play with such belief for what seems the 1st time since 2019. Gave me palpitations tho. Hope the Boks have it in the tank for 1 more week.
They did mate - thank you 🎉🏉🇿🇦
How do you prove you can win under pressure if you keep losing every-time there’s pressure? Just curious
Thanks guys for your honest analysis, fun and no holds barred review. ❤️🏴🏉
Hard one to take but England played very well. Inspirational game. There is a bit of a rivalry developing between England and the Boks.
Scrums are crap for teams who scrum crap. Easy for the reff to see when your scrum goes backwards.
Yes true, but the scrum needs to be sped up. It’s never in the history of the game taken so long for scrums to set.
@@SuperEdge67 Ox tried his best to push them back as fast as possible.
Haskill, the ref didn't just go "boom" that was the fourth scrum penalty.
James Haskell, being a South African living in Australia - with ZERO union sport being shown - contested scrums & lineouts is what makes rugby beautiful. We lost against Ireland in thats scrum at the end. League is horrible! Grubby players who have the worst attitude on & off the field. I miss rugby union and the discipline and real gentleman feel so much. Once the World Cup is over, we go back to zero union.. so please, let’s not want union to be more like league.
Some of the best people I've ever known have been involved in rugby league. It's really horrible to generalize even if you don't understand or like rugby league.
Say you’re posh without saying you’re posh
Spot on!
League is average at best ! Only the NRL is a decent comp and international League is probably less popular than field hockey 😂
It’s on Stan in Oz and if you live in 5 regions you can attend super rugby. Poor to generalise about everyone in league there are many great ppl involved, it’s like saying ‘South Africans are all horrible thugs’ because a few have eye gouged and head butted others in the past.
In the 2007 RWC quarters England’s scrum pulverised Australia and in so doing earned England the penalties which ultimately won them that game, 12-10, despite not scoring a try. Sometimes different aspects of your game are stronger than others, and sometimes not.
I never heard any England fans moaning about scrums back in the days when we used to destroy the likes of Australia , at scrum time . If you don`t like it - watch Rugby League .
Need to keep those emotions in check. This has been a brilliant RWC all hate and negativity aside. France has hosted a wonderful and hospitable tournament. It’s a pity to see favourites get knocked out but that is the nature of sport.
Great to meet you guys at the England Rugby House on Saturday.
England was awarded penalties for the same scrum penalties in the first half
Even when you’re not 100% certain, there was a clear dominant scrum, so ultimately it’s not a difficult call to decide a game, people talk about giving the ref the right picture and English scrum didn’t do that.
Still trying to figure out how does one celebrate a loose? Games are won by scoring a try and kicking penalties, not by kicking the ball up in the middle of the park 🎉
Perhaps you have misunderstood the laws of rugby. It’s quite simple really; the team with the most points at the end wins. There is no stipulation of how these points are accumulated FFS 🤦♂️
@@marcdaniels9079 Exactly!
Wow, wow, wow. I'm lost for words. James Haskell is now the definition of "Whinging Pom". Sorry that's not now or never has been politically correct, but boy did he just define it. It wasn't the ref calling one penalty on one scrum that lost England that game, it was their inability to put the Bok to the death, to play a game where they can stack on points. It's a typical pattern I've seen in Northern hemisphere games, shutting down in later parts of games, to just defend what they think is a winning lead. That mentality was obvious last night and it cost you dearly. By the time England realized they needed more points, they had been out-subbed by South Africa and were now the 2nd best team in the park. So depth (benches) and late game management are what cost England.
Moaning about scrums and the ref is just an upset Englishmen. The scrums were not boring, the relentless back and forth aerial ping pong sure was. It's why I hope against hope we have a dry final.
Well said James Haskell. It was a brave effort yesterday. Bodies put on the line from the start to the end. It was a very cruel ending for the team and supporters.
Thank you for commending IRELAND
V impressed wirh England at full time congratulating S.A. they took it very well
Incredible game !
You should have had an English breakfast this morning, that what all of South Africa had. 👍🏆🇿🇦
You can't beat a bit of egg and bacon , at least you succumbed to that this morning.😋🙂
As gracious as ever, boer
@@xxxWheelchairsxxx313probably shouldn't bring up the cricket then...🤣🇿🇦🏆
As an Irish fan, I've always thought that England should never shy away from their strengths in Rugby, and that has always been and will always be forward play. South Africa is the same, but you never hear the Boks or their fans apologise for how they play, nor should they, when pundits or fans from other countries slag their play as boring or one-dimensional etc. The books shrug their shoulders and tell you this is how we play, and if you want to beat us, you'll have to meet and beat us in the trenches. England should be the same. Don't be lured into playing more expansive, more sexy rugby because of what others say. England will always produce huge forwards in big numbers and the scrum, lineout and maul is where England should plant their flag.
@@Krampus5164stupid comment. South Africa has the biggest fanbase within it's national borders. Go watch league then
@@Krampus5164 😂🤣 Now you're calling us boring yet its you lot who can't even score a single try smh😏 England fans are such sore losers. Enjoy the 3rd/4th place playoffs 👍🏻 Us Saffas have bigger fish to fry.
@@Krampus5164 sad. Maybe you should switch to rugby league? They don't have scrums there
Never back down. Never what!? 👏👏
It would be legendary to see OF and JS sharing a beer and watching the final.
Sour grapes England's; locking for excuses; you're just not GOOD ENOUGH
Deluded ! No excuses from Farrell or Borthwick post match. ABs will smash the Boks next weekend.
no excuses from the players. Stop talking shite.
England only made it this far because of the draw. They sucked coming in they sucked last night. They couldn't beat a tired bok team worn down by a massive game against France, with a short turnaround. Never planned on scoring a try. Just wanted to win off kicks. WEAK!!
Farrell is a cynical negetive player who cost ENG the game with his rotten attitude. He also could've made things worse with his yellow card worthy lifting of the knee whilst in an offside position on the floor, to disturb de allende pass causing de allende to mess up his pass close to the ENG try line. Lucky ref was looking for an ENG win and didn't ping him.
Genuine question: why are Bok fans so angry like all the time, even when you win? Just enjoy your W 😂
@dananderson6342 We are not angry, just aggressively passionate about our rugby and our team. Trust me, we always enjoy our wins.
The boys did us proud 🌹 🏴
The scrum penalties only came when we changed our props…
Genge & Sinckler lost the battle up front.
It was at this point the game started to slip away.
Ref was consistent and had a good game for me.
Anyone who winges at the ref and concedes 10 meters shouldn't be a captain/leader for the team when clearly they aren't leading by example.
Sorry for the hurt gents. You got to get better.
Guys seriously. England had only one game plan they could have played and they played it brilliantly! Slow, spoiling, kicking, kicking, kicking. Their problem is: that is all they can do. They have very few other ways to play. England has a major problem - huge amounts of work to do.
James please stop shaking that foot!
It's a very pissed off foot😂
4:50 The Captain IS a lunatic. If it wasnt for his idiotic behaviour behaving like a prat by holding onto the ball after the penalty was awarded, the Boks wouldn't have been given another 10m - easier kick. That one moment alone would have won the English the game.
England need players that can score tries against semi-final level teams. All the rest (mgmt / coaching / tenacity / playing hearts out / PR / fan disrespect, etc) is irrelevant. We can't score tries.
Guys you should also look at the Mark called by Le Roux. I freeze framed it and he caught the ball, didnt call mark, touched the 22 line then stepped on it and called for mark. The TMO needed to intervene but he didn’t
Key players have been developed through this RWC which should be there over the next few years; Mitchell as SH, Smith as FH, Steward as FB, Martin and Chessum as SR, Earl & Curry in backrow. Those 7 players are the spine of the team. We need some decent front rowers and that is the biggest weakness.
This point was made on a Irish rugby show and I agree with it, Rugby is a sport and sport is entertainment and to make rugby entertaining to anyone other than diehard fans something has to be done about the scrums. If you have a dominant pack you’re going to use it to get penalties, but if you’re a newby what would you sooner watch, England playing a grinding match with few or no trys or the All Blacks, or Fiji, spinning it along the backline? Simplistic, I know, but you get the gist.
Get rid of the scrum? Okeefe was consistent in his adjudication.
As for England - they were one dimensional. The Springboks were able to attack when needed.
Hask..'the best team' is not determined by public opinion, it is determined through getting results and standing up during the big moments in big games.
England only spent 78 seconds on Springbok 22m for the entire match!
As a South Africa if I may give you some advise:PLEASE KEEP YOUR COACH FOR THE SAKE OF THE GAME RUGBY BECAUSE HE IS A BRILLIANT AND ON TOP OF IT HE IS A KIND HEARTED HUMAN BEING WITH NO HATE IN HIS HEART ..I AM SURE AFTER SAW HIM INTERACTING AFTER THE GAME. . CAREL- SOUTH AFRICA
I can guarantee you that 99.9% of Bok supporters thought that England had us, and they did for the most part. Great game plan which they executed really well, but we managed to find a way. Shows the strength in depth and character we have. Love to see England lose but respect to what they achieved from where they came from.