Laos Secret War Pilot: Lee Gossett
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- In this video Lee Gossett talks about his time flying during the Secret War in Laos as an Air America kicker and pilot and then as a Continental Air (CASI) pilot flying secret missions in this brutally violent war. Gossett spent six and a half years flying in Laos during the secret war. Lee has led a lifetime of adventure as a smoke jumper and clandestine pilot for the U.S. intelligence community in Asia, Central and South America, and Africa. Most of Air America’s missions in Southeast Asia were for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) as Air America was a CIA proprietary. Lee has a book "Smokejumper to Global Pilot: A True Odyssey" found here www.amazon.com/Smokejumper-Gl...
In this video you’ll see very rare Lao War photos from Lee’s collection, listen to his stories, and hear about his flying an NBC documentary crew around Laos during the war and a quick clip from the documentary flying his Pilatus Porter. Gossett flew 5,000 accident-free hours and had over 9,000 landings.
In late 1971, NBC news sent a team to Laos to film a documentary about the war called CHRONOLOG which was aired in the US. (The NBC film crew was at Luang Prabang about the 7-10 Dec 1971. The documentary aired March 1972.) The U.S. Embassy gave the NBC team permission to enter Long Tieng, LS-20A, the first time a news team had been allowed there. Lee Gossett was assigned as the pilot to fly in his CASI porter the NBC film crew around to various Hmong villages while they filmed the documentary.
Another set of pilots, the clandestine U.S. Air Force Ravens, flew in Laos with one of the highest casualty rates of the entire Indochina War. You can see videos on them Ravens I: Mission and Men • The Ravens Part I: Mis... and Ravens II: Their Stories • Ravens Part II: Their ... . You can also learn more on the Secret War in Laos from Dr. Carter's video "What was the Secret War in Laos?" • What was the Secret Wa... .
John Horan, gracious financial benefactor and supporter to memorializing Lao War veterans, sponsor of the The Lao-Hmong Memorial in Colorado, says: "I've seen and read a lot on the U.S. Secret War and your video is the most complete and concise review of all." The United States Air Force Museum at Dayton Ohio says this video is the most accurate and complete account of the Laos Secret War.
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Thank you Dr. Carter, what a great interview. Lee Gosset and all the people he worked with in Laos were heroes in my book. You are doing us all a great service by getting their stories told and on the record. Definitely looking forward to your next video!
Captain, you honor us with your comments. Thank you sir for watching and commenting.
My dad sadly past away allready worked for CAS in Laos 😉
@@metakoerner-vollrath9879 how did you discover this, or leads you to believe this? Some guys just never talked about it and families learn years later about it by accident. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@CarterOnConflictI know about it coz I grew Up in Laos.I was very often at the Airport too.. My dad was German and worked for CAS in Vientiane and Pause. His Boss was Ed Dearborn and their we're few germans working with my dad. 😉
@@metakoerner-vollrath9879 I really appreciate this. I have been surprised to the degree that non-Americans were hired to support this effort. Ed Dearborn….that name comes up over and over, slipped right over your tongue so this is all so very interesting to me. Thank you for commenting and sharing.
My father was a soldier for Gen. Vang Pao who took him and thousand of our Hmong men to be solders for the CIA to recuse the down American pilots and to cut the Ho Chi Minh Trail from N. Vietnam to S. Vietnam. My father was shot and killed while rescuing a downed American pilot in 1972 when I was two years old. Thanks God for saving my life and giving me a chance to come to America. And also thanks for the CIA personels, Gen. Vang Pao, and all the Hmong soldier 's sacrifices, including my father. And thanks Dr. Carter for sharing your video.🎉
God bless you. The Hmong are great Americans. It know it was rough. Great sacrifices you made. Thank you for watching and commenting, and keeping your history alive.
I'm a Hmong American. This story reflected my childhood's experience during Pilot's Gossett's work in Laos. I'm glad I came across your channel. It's a great video footage, and thank you both
Good Bless you - the Hmong have made great Americans and contributed so much to America. Glad you are here. Thanks for watching, and commenting, and please watch other videos on my channel and share your experiences, we would like to hear. Thank you again.
Use to fly F-4s in Nam - we always knew we had a really good target if we were handed over to a Raven FACs who flew for Air America- these guys who flew in civilian cloths were really gutsy - As far as I was concerned they were unsung heroes.
Carl, thanks for watching and commenting, sharing this info with us. I greatly appreciate it. I think you would enjoy my video on The Ravens (I have two actually, this is the second one), here is my video on them: czcams.com/video/jt1NJV1qU2A/video.htmlsi=EDyS-K-LIY_F1Epm
@@CarterOnConflict thanks for the link - we watch now!
Flew aboard Cricket ABCCC back in '70-'71. The Ravens were top notch and risked their lives every day. I was Airborne radio operator and monitored all communications from and to Cricket. Was fortunate to become acquainted with some of the Air America pilots at Udorn. Great respect for them and the ones flying into the Lima sites. Thanks for bringing this to CZcams.
@@donaldharen Donald you are the first - only - cricket operator I have ever heard from. Have you written your stories up? Given interviews? I would love to talk to you….be honored….please contact me at ptcarteriraq@gmail.com. I have always wanted to talk to someone who flew aboard those. (You have probably seen the two Raven videos I have on my channel? Just click on my ugly head, then click tab on right “videos” to give you the list. ) I appreciate your viewing and commenting.,
@@donaldharen Don - might have talked to you when I was flying F-4s in 1970 out of Phu Cat RVN - you guys did a great job - much appreciated! Welcome home fellow warrior brother!
I was stationed in Mytho Vietnam Sept 66-67. Would frequently catch a flight with Air America. What they flew always impressed me. Wound up like little jets. I recall the runways always had holes that needed to be navigated. Some were steel plates.
Interesting year of experiences.
Thanks for sharing that with us. I appreciate you watching and commenting.
I first met Lee at a smokejumper reunion. He shared some pictures with me, but I've seen some pictures in this interview that I never saw before. What a life, what a guy and he has a wonderful wife and family. This interview just scratches the surface. Read Smokejumper to Global Pilot for more stories.
Gene Hamner
Raven 12
Nail 68
MSO 67
Gene, great recommendation. I failed to make his wonderful book part of the video, lamely leaving a comment about the book instead. It is indeed a great read. As always, thank you for your channel support.
Dr. Carter, Thanks. Also thanks to Mr. Lee Gossett.
Thank you for watching and commenting, I appreciate it .
My father was killed near Lima Site 20(Sam Thong). I was to little to know how to cry when they brought his body back wrapped in American body bag.
I didn’t know much about the Vietnam war then, but learned so much about the war through CZcams documentary films. Very tragic event to many Hmong people.
Thanks for sharing this vdo!
Dear Keng, thank you for sharing this touching story. The Hmong suffered so much, and my heart goes out to you and your family for all the suffering and sacrifice you made. Thank you for watching and posting.
@@CarterOnConflictand Kengyoung9025, Incredible comments here, and pain, and suffering. Prayers and happiness for all.
30 years ago my next door neighbor would tell me stories about flying a Pilatus Porter for Air America in Laos. I never asked him questions, nor did I make notes of any of our conversations. I wish I had.
Wow….you were close to the source :-). Well…I’ve done the same over the years, it’s only late in life I learned to try to capture this stuff. I’m guessing you lost contact with the fellow overtime?
Hi Doc, I've been following your videos. Thanks for going to all the trouble. I flew in Vietnam and later Laos for a few years. I knew many of the people you interview and in photos. I always wondered what happened to old friends after we departed Laos. I never kept in contact with anyone. Very few people even knew about Laos, AA, CAS or any of the going ons back then or even until the last few wars. Now thanks to you, many more people understand what we did in our little secret war that wasn't so little at all.
People come into my club in Saigon and see photos on the wall and find out I was in Laos and ask why no one knew about it during the war. Answer is easy. The spooks kept that damned media out. No newsies were allowed.
I published a book on the war in Laos back in 95. Few read it, no one knew what it was about.
Seeing all these guys and locs, Lima Sites etc, brings back many memories. Most good, some not so good. Seeing your interviews with so many old AA and CAS guys answers a lot of questions for me. I've been living in Vietnam since 1989 and tried several times over the years to get up to Alternate. Failed 4 times and was deported once for trying. I saw your video. Now it's open so I'm going to drag my old ass up there. Again Doc, Thanks
I’ve got to come to Saigon to meet you - I’m serious. I live in Chiang Mai. Email me at ptcarteriraq@gmail.com. I was in Saigon a few years ago, meandering a side street, back alley, peered through a window and Westerners were in there. Walked in, they were Americans, I became good friends with the bar owner (well, I guess his wife owned it) till his passing. One of the wonders of the orient to find such people. I’m really appreciative of folks such as yourself, I like meeting you all, and I’m going to keep plugging away. No trouble at all, my honor. Thank you for watching and commenting. I look forward to meeting you.
Oh, provide me the name of your book as well, please.
@@CarterOnConflict Hi Doc Carter, I sent you an e-mail, did you receive it? I want to make sure it went through because I'm going to e-mail you my book on AA. Yes sir, I'd like to meet you. After I get back to Saigon from biz trip, maybe we can get together. Thanks
Dan
@@danrogers7637 Dan, I did not :-(. There might be a slight delay. If I get it, I certainly will email you back. I hope I gave you the correct email ptcarteriraq@gmail.com
Thank for share this history, I was one of the people in the ground that you had drop the rice to, at that time I was a orphan child and was refuged from the war regularly we were depended on air support supply to survived day by day. Please share whatever you have to the world.
@@nengmoua-gy9my Thank you for watching and commenting, I greatly appreciate it. You have a heartfelt story, and I know you suffered a lot. Here is my list of videos and I hope you find others you like:
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Great video. And Lee is a stand-up guy. Thank you for this.
I am glad you enjoyed the video. Your comment is very appreciated as well.
My father was a pilot with Air America. Our family lived in Vientiane late 60’s, early 70’s
I wish you guys who grew up in Vientiane would tell your stories, I think that is so fascinating. I’ve only met (virtually, on line) a very few of you. But I haven’t read nor even heard of a single family story, article. You guys have more to share than you realize. Is there a Facebook site or some other connection between you kids who grew up there? I vaguely had heard something about that.
I honestly don’t know if there are any groups. I was very young, my older brother and sister have a lot more memories. I lived in Laos from 69-73 (1-5 years of age).
@@clavin6267 I’m going to ask around - I’m curious. There certainly should be, you all are a unique, interesting group. More so than I think you know.
Thank you for telling your story
Wow, great video, I got busy and missed some of your videos but I will catch up. I did my motorcycle trip to that part of Laos last year to check out the "El Paso" plan that you discussed on one of your earlier videos. I can't wait to go back and see more. I used that old airfield map to guide my trips.
George!! You adventurer! :-) always good to hear from you. Please stay safe, and I appreciate hearing from you.
Great footage, thank you for sharing.
Thank you so much for watching, and I hope you enjoy other of my videos.
Lee is one of a kind. Great video!!
Kevin, thank you for watching and commenting, I know he appreciates it. I hope you check out other of my videos. If you haven’t seen Kevin, I think you would enjoy my video on our clandestine air unit The Ravens (which you may know or have worked with) during the Vietnam War, here is my video on them: czcams.com/video/jt1NJV1qU2A/video.htmlsi=EDyS-K-LIY_F1Epm
How good was that!
Fascinating stuff, thank you.
Thank you sir - Lee is quite the man! Glad you liked it, thanks for watching and commenting. I think you would enjoy my video on our clandestine air unit The Ravens during the Vietnam War, here is my video on them: czcams.com/video/jt1NJV1qU2A/video.htmlsi=EDyS-K-LIY_F1Epm
Hey I can't thank you (and guests) enough for your fantastic work. Always eagerly looking forward to the next video. =) Thanks again, great work Sir.
I appreciate your comment and watching - thank you so much.
Another fantastic video, Paul.
Thank you so much Joep for watching and commenting
Great video. I'm familiar with a lot of this history, but it was really interesting to see all of Lee's original vintage photos from that era. Many I'd never seen before. I'm looking forward to watching more of your upcoming videos. Thanks.
Jose, I really appreciate you watching and posting a comment. And, watching my videos. Yes, Lee has quite the photo collection. You are probably already familiar with the topic, but I think you would enjoy my video on our clandestine air unit The Ravens during the Vietnam War, here is my video on them: czcams.com/video/jt1NJV1qU2A/video.htmlsi=EDyS-K-LIY_F1Epm
Documentary history at it's finest, thank you Dr Carter
Crispus, glad you are staying one step ahead of the hounds.
Great video. I've heard many stories of these legendary aviators during my 42 year aviation career in corporate, government, contract and civilian facets.
Well thank you for watching and commenting. I hope you can share with others, Lee’s story is quite remarkable.
What a well done video. Great photos, videos and graphics... Keep'm coming.
Thank you sir. I have several of this style - if you will - on my channel, please look for them. I appreciate you watching and commenting.
Interesting content, Mr Gossett had some unbelievable experiences, thanks for the stories. I’m 70, remember many of the news from the 1960’s and 70’s about the Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia
Thank you for watching and posting a comment. Much appreciated. Yes, Lee has some great stories, and I hope to capture more of them. I think you would enjoy my videos on our clandestine air unit The Ravens during the Vietnam War, here is one of my two videos on them: czcams.com/video/jt1NJV1qU2A/video.htmlsi=EDyS-K-LIY_F1Epm
Great video about some amazing people who hung both feet across the line of what's possible, for their country and their friends. God bless them all. We will always need special people like this to keep freedom alive.
Thank you for your positive comments. I appreciate you watching and commenting, and hope you enjoy other of my videos.
I really like watching your videos, Dr.Paul👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Happy to hear that!
Thanks for your service and support without these guys we hmong will have no chance in the United States of America.
This is one of the better, if not best, interviews on the topic of CAT and AA, etc.
Franklin, thank you so much for watching and commenting. I appreciate that very much, and hope you forward the video, and, watch other of my videos as well. Thank you again.
Another wonderful historical moment captured by Dr Carter
Gil, I am so happy you watched, and commented - I’m always appreciative.
This is the 4th video I have watched about Laos of yours, I am still plugging thru Chris robins ravens, but the videos are more enjoyable. I had a taste when I wound up in Phnom Penh in April 75, for a couple of weeks, was on the wrong end of a grad a couple of times, not nice, flown out to the Philippines a few days before it ended. Thank you for your efforts here, worthwhile as well as immensely enjoyable.
Wow Arthur, you were in PP in 1975, how crazy. You saw things no one can describe, that’s amazing to me. Arthur, I am planning a series “Riding the Ho Chi Minh Trail” where I will bring stories from inside of Laos. So stay tuned, and I appreciate you watching and posting. I will have a story on the Cambodian evac soon from a pilot who flew it.
The hard-rice / soft-rice distinction was pretty awesome!
lol, Dr. Winai, always enjoy hearing from you.
Thank for sharing the information about American/Hmong found side by side!
You are very welcome, thank you for watching and commenting!
, Would love to watch your Film, Dr. Paul, T. Carter. Thanks and I remembered Father B very well. Pop Buel and Lee..Good to see your video.
Glad you enjoy, thank you for watching and commenting!!
Thanks!
Thank you for watching and commenting Steven
Best and most engaging recounting of the time and place. Remembering Ravens
Thank you Alex, I appreciate you watching and commenting. I hope you watch - if you haven’t yet - my two videos on the Ravens, on my channel which has interviews with them as well. Thanks again.
Have seen both and appreciated greatly. My Ravens book is dogeared from rereading. Thanks again!
@@alexseiler1604 thank you Alex :-) The Raven Chronicles is out there as well, many Ravens contributed a chapter (if you haven’t seen it). Thanks again.
It is so good that these memories are being preserved by Dr. Carter.
Well thank you, and a well deserved thank you sir for preserving South Carolina Revolutionary War history, where more battles were fought than any other colony. I appreciate watching and your post.
Great information that few Americans know nothing about. Thank You
Dennis, I appreciate you watching and commenting. I hope you share with others, indeed, an interesting and unique part of history. Thank you.
I was an air America brat. There were a lot of American kids there. We went to kilometer six school. I remember one of the air America pilots had an 18 hole miniature golf course in their backyard.
Wow, in Vientiane! How cool. Thanks for watching this and posting. I’m guessing you followed in dad’s aviation footsteps?
@@CarterOnConflict Yes I became a pilot. But didn't fly for Air America.
Was in Vietnam before we went to Laos.
Got to Saigon Vietnam in January 1968.
And yes I was there for the Tet offensive. I was 10 years old.
I was an air america brat as well 🤗
@@clavin6267 you guys need to put pen to paper (or vocals to video). I would love to hear your stories of growing up in Laos or Thailand. Wow.
Nearing retirement from what seems like an eternity of mind numbing airline flying, I sure are envious.
For airlines? Thank you for watching and commenting.
Well…so wonderful.
I am glad you enjoyed, thank you for watching and commenting. Please, look at the list of videos I have, you really may enjoy others. Maybe this one, among others, Laos Combat Operations: Raven 25 Story
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What an amazing video! Thank you. Forgive me for saying, but every time an O-10 was mentioned, the aircraft that was shown (I assume to give the viewer an idea of the aircraft being discussed) was not an O-10, but an O-1 Bird Dog. The O-10 Bronco was a much bigger, faster, twin-boom, twin turboprop machine.
Sir, thank you for watching and commenting. I am happy you liked it and appreciate your comment. Now, in this video I never uttered the words O-10 or Bronco. Do you mean something else?
@@CarterOnConflictthank you for your reply. At 8:42 in the video, Lee mentions (for the first time) being visited by “OV-10 Broncos”. At the same time, an inset pic (if that’s what it’s called) appeared top-left of screen, showing an O-1 Bird Dog. On subsequent occasions that the O/OV-10 was mentioned, another image of the Bird Dog would appear.
@@Klink330 ah, good catch! Well, Lee knows the difference, as a professional pilot, and being in his 80s, a slip of the tongue, but I had missed that so good catch on your part. I should have caught that so I could have put 0-1 underneath so everyone would know. Bad on me. Ugh. Anyway, Thank you so much for pointing this out. On another note, I think you would enjoy my video on our clandestine air unit The Ravens during the Vietnam War, here is my video on them: czcams.com/video/jt1NJV1qU2A/video.htmlsi=EDyS-K-LIY_F1Epm
@@CarterOnConflictPlease don’t worry about it, Paul! Making videos is time consuming and things just slip through every so often. I will definitely watch that video - thanks for the suggestion.
@@Klink330 thank you and I hope you find other of my videos enjoyable. I will have more pilots in the future. Thanks again.
Really wish we could hear more about the narcotics logistics aspect of this part of the war! I doubt any of these men would share details on such matters but man can you imagine the stories.
Austin, I tell you, it is a legitimate deep mystery. I addressed this question (well, you commented) in a comment on this thread here. My thoughts on it. Thank you for commenting, and watching. I hope you watch other of my videos. I appreciate it.
This is touched on in the book the ravens by Christopher Robbins.
@@arthurcrime I may have missed that or probably overlooked - thanks, I have the book and will go back for a gander. By the way, don’t know if you have seen my two videos on the Ravens: Ravens Part II: Their Stories
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The Ravens Part I: Mission and Men
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The Ravens,,,"And brave me do.." We will miss them all.
Thank you for watching and comment sir.
My grandpa was a footsoldier for General Vang Pao. They killed many Pathet Lao and NVA soldiers during clashes in the jungle. He recalls rescuing 1 downed american pilot in the jungle. It was him and 9 Hmong soldiers who rushed to rescue the downed pilot and only 4 of them made it out alive while carrying the American pilot on their backs, under heavy enemy fire and artillery. He is now 88 years old, has PTSD, and is deaf in 1 ear and doesnt speak much of the war anymore. We have been in America for 48 years and are proud Americans. This is now our home. We proudly display the American flag and the Kingdom of Laos 3 elephant flag.
@@hdggt god bless you and your family, and the Hmong. You make great sacrifices. I appreciate you watching and commenting, America is stronger because of you.
@@CarterOnConflict We love America. Land of the free, Home of the Brave. Thank you kind sir.
@@hdggt I know you do sir, and thank you for your device and God Bless
@@CarterOnConflict I know you are well aware, but I wanted to bring up the fact that the NVA along with the Pathet Lao tried to overtake the Long Tieng base, and failed each and everytime. The Hmong soldiers were heavily outgunned and outmanned, but they succesfully repelled each invasion and inflicted heavy casualties on the NVA and Pathet Lao. There were enemy bodies strewn everywhere. I hope one day a movie is made about Long Tieng base and its impenetrable defense. I wonder if military strategists study this at all.
@@CarterOnConflict CIA documents cover many of the Hmong SGU battles. It was estimated that they fought against 3 battled hardened NVA divisions, but held their positions with ease.
Wow! Wow! Wow!
Glad you enjoyed. I think you would enjoy my video on our clandestine air unit The Ravens during the Vietnam War, here is my video on them: czcams.com/video/jt1NJV1qU2A/video.htmlsi=EDyS-K-LIY_F1Epm
The caribou is one of the coolest planes
I am thrilled that you interviewed/met with/photographed James Nicky Rowe, "Five Years to Freedom", and unfortunately assassinated in the Philippines in 1989 as a military attache with the rank of Colonel (correct me if I am wrong). One the most incredible life-stories of the American Military, created the Escape and Evasion school, then was killed in 1989. I am the only human being that thinks James N. Rowe was the real-life figure in the John Rambo character-film, Rambo, First Blood. Colonel Rowe was captured in the Central Highlands by the VC in 1963, and escaped in 1968.
Thank you for catching that and commenting. A true legend indeed. To escape from a North Vietnamese prison camp is legendary beyond description. Lee used to work for him or with him, that’s where the pic came from. Thanks for pointing out that photo and the truly remarkable Col. Rowe.
@@CarterOnConflictHistorical note, I have no proof, but James N. Rowe escaped from his captors in South VietNam after his fellow POW best friend was executed by the VC. After his physical escape from his captors, he had to plow throught the jungle in his tattered black pajamas hoping not to be shot by friendlies. An American 2-seat bubble helicopter was doing swoop-and-kill the grassy areas looking for VC carrying guns, whom they would shoot immediately. Lucky for Nicky Rowe, he was in tatters and he had a dark beard, unknown for the VC, waving at the chopper, and he wasn't shot. First words to him by the chopper..."Are you Rowe, Major Rowe?" He had been promoted while in captivity. Phenomenal story and THANK YOU and this video.
@@EdZiomek I did not know the background Ed, thanks for sharing with us all! Fascinating.
I was on top Attapeu hills west of Ho Chi Minh trail Laos 1970 . Many Khmer Republic Army Recon Teams on the trail Laos and Cambodia. My battalion on the Attapeu Hills for 3 months I got wounded Air America Cessna pilot landed on short run way on the hill picked me up brought to Laotian Army base PS 22 near by awaited military C123 brought me last to the CIA hospital next to my old barracks PS 18 near Thai border Ubon
Thank you sir - you walked the walk. I’m honored you watched the video and commented. You don’t know how in awe I stand before guys such as yourself. God bless. And thank you very much (I hope there are other videos here you watch and enjoy)
When I got wounded on ATTAPEU hills 1970 Cessna single engine landed on short run way on the hills PS-165 picked me up brought me to Laotian army base PS-22 boarded on military plane C-123 brought me to the CIA HOSPITAL at PS-18 next to my old barracks on the edge of Mekong river Laos side near Ubon province THAILAND
Lee has a book "Smokejumper to Global Pilot: A True Odyssey" found here www.amazon.com/Smokejumper-Global-Pilot-True-Odyssey/dp/B0BR9DMH4J
Hello Sir, my uncle was a Naval Doctor and also the Naval Attache to the CIA office in Jakarta in or around 65. I remember him telling me he would go into Laos to conduct covert Ops. Wondering if you had ever crossed paths with him?
Wow, no, not to my knowledge sir. I certainly would like to speak with him if he is willing, and you could hook us up. Sounds like he had an exciting and fruitful career. My email is ptcarteriraq@gmail.com. Thank you for sharing (and watching)
@@CarterOnConflict If you get a chance to contact this fellow, you could probably get some interesting stories regarding Obamamama... the former Miss Dunham.
Interesting video BTW, thank you!
@@marcwinfield1541 Marc, I greatly appreciate the cue on this, thank you!!!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, experience and service to our country. Sad the US has seemed to learn the wrong lessons from Vietnam or do I not see similarities in Vietnam and name any conflict following?
At the risk of overt agreeing, I think you are right. It seems we never learn. It really astounds and befuddles me. I served in Iraq and Afghanistan, and I’m no genius, but many of us at the lower levels could see poor application of basic military principles. We have a short memory, and politics gets in the way. This is a silly example, very basic, but funny in a way so I will share. The VC in Vietnam used dogs to sniff out our SOG. We tried tiger pee around positions to deter dogs, it didn’t work. In Afghanistan, I served with the Aussie SAS (not operationally, but they were under our command.) Herds of goats would smell them out and wander up to their hide sites, giving their position away. Their scientist sent them Siberian Tiger pee - I’m not making this up - to hopefully deter the goats. I watched in their compound as they sprayed some on the ground to see the goats reaction. The goats began humping each other and rolling in it. Please do me a favor. Watch this video (a bit long) and tell me what you think of the idea, even if you disagree. That’s fine. But I can tell you are a thinker who probably knows something of this subject, you can leave me a comment there. Thank you Robert: Vietnam War: How the U.S. Fought the Wrong Conflict
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Best job I had was with the company, Could go for a beer at Rosie's.
I’d love to hear your stories! Contact me if you desire. Now, wasn’t there a LuLus, or White Rose also? What were sone of the “bars” there?
The White Rose in Vientiane Laos.@@CarterOnConflict
This would be so much better without the excessive adds
Agree. Thank you for watching and commenting.
I have known a couple Air America pilots in my lifetime. Flying opium for the war lords was a big part of what they did
Did they tell you that Arthur? Is that a fact, or your assessment? And which war lords? I don’t know any credible evidentiary info on that but would love to hear it.
@@CarterOnConflict they told me that . Why would I make it up. I bought my hangar from the one I had great conversations with. He flew the Porter quite a bit and since he was a Swiss national he had a fondness for the plane and its capabilities. Phenomenal helicopter pilot by the way, 72 air medals from Vietnam as well which I’m sure you will question as well but with my 23 yrs in the army and I read the award from the army I’m pretty sure it was correct. Either that or he typed it up himself of the army lied .
@@CarterOnConflict they told me that . Why would I make it up. I bought my hangar from the one I had great conversations with. He flew the Porter quite a bit and since he was a Swiss national he had a fondness for the plane and its capabilities. Phenomenal helicopter pilot by the way, 72 air medals from Vietnam as well which I’m sure you will question as well but with my 23 yrs in the army and I read the award from the army I’m pretty sure it was correct. Either that or he typed it up himself of the army lied .
@@arthurbrumagem3844 Ha, Arthur, I didn't say you made it up, was just asking for more details. I appreciate you sharing.
@@arthurbrumagem3844 Okay, understood - thank you.
There was a pilot who rescued a NBC crew out of some short strip village from certain capture/death from the Viet Cong in his Porter, his name was Bob Heale.
I’m going to search for more history on this, ask around - thank you for the cue. And, for watching. I appreciate all.
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Cool that would be great :)
I tried getting the AA store but living in Vietnam, it's blocked
What do you need?
Incredible fearlessness.
It still goes on today in another way.
You've got to give Americans A+ in logistics, to eh.
Thank you for watching and your comment. I hope you enjoy other of my videos
was Jim Turpin one of these pilots? Plane profiles and things line up a bit? and Grama Honey! with Roy? John, Barney, Randy, Dan, or Tim involved?
Let me ask Lee - a CASI or Air America pilot, or Raven Pilot? I guess you mean the former. Sending an email to Lee now, but please reply - that will cue me to come back to your comment.
maybe Randy? allegedly got downed a Few Time on rotary winged? as told me. I had a flight jacket with My Name on it passed down from my brothers. Jim may have Married Gramma "Honey"/Evelyn and was MOM's Fav GUY growing up! Mom respected him Big Time! @@CarterOnConflict
@@davefellhoelter3299 I’ll ask Dave.
Randy allegedly 3 tours and downed speak some Vietnamese his dad John was Mighty Mo to Armistice. Honey Evelyn/ Roy flew first concords and 747's and first into China after Nixon opened but I was very Little, but paid attn. @@CarterOnConflict
I think that maybe he didn't get taken out because he was bringing the goodies.
That’s a good thought….you may be right. Thanks for watching and sharing. I think you would enjoy my video on our clandestine air unit The Ravens during the Vietnam War, here is my video on them: czcams.com/video/jt1NJV1qU2A/video.htmlsi=EDyS-K-LIY_F1Epm
@CarterOnConflict As someone who was a kid during the war, it's interesting. I used to have dreams about the apocalypse.
@@redtobertshateshandles I too was a kid during the war, and then I joined the US Army and made a career of it. Don’t know if there is a correlation, lol. Thank you very much for watching and commenting. I think you would enjoy my video on our clandestine air unit The Ravens during the Vietnam War, here is my video on them: czcams.com/video/jt1NJV1qU2A/video.htmlsi=EDyS-K-LIY_F1Epm
@@CarterOnConflictmy dad was a soldier and gave us the upbringing and his stories about the Army didn't make it seem attractive. We have a long line of Army ancestors and relatives. I never felt the need to enlist. I'm checking out your video now.
@@redtobertshateshandles the military is not for everyone, and there are multiple ways to serve the greater good other than the military. I enjoyed it, my son didn’t. Everyone is different and has different circumstances and experiences. I do appreciate you watching and commenting. I think you would enjoy my video on our clandestine air unit The Ravens during the Vietnam War, here is my video on them: czcams.com/video/jt1NJV1qU2A/video.htmlsi=EDyS-K-LIY_F1Epm
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Thank you sir, and I hope you watch other of my videos, such as the Ravens. Thanks for watching and commenting.lee is quite the fellow indeed!!!
And here's the kicker...
(get it?)
Got it ;-). Thanks for your astute observations sir!
I’d love to hear his story without all the interruptions.
Well, sorry you didn’t enjoy the video, I do appreciate the comment. You know the Ole Ancient Greek (or was it Mesopotamian?) adage, ‘one man’s interruption is another man’s enhancement.’
I wonder if he lived in Queenstown NZ?
If you think you may have run across him there, I can ask. Thanks for watching the video, and commenting. I appreciate it.
Yes, I lived and flew out of Queenstown New Zealand. Knew your father. Lee Gossett
Thanks for sharing this video for the world to see the real war in Laos communist
Well thank you so much for watching. I appreciate it. I hope you watch my other Laos war videos.
Every time I see a Caribou…
Anyone remember Lt. Steve Long? Shot down over Laos and taken prisoner. One of the Lost Lulu's.
I could google Peter, but not sure I could get a good understanding - do you mind explaining Lulu?
@@CarterOnConflict Steve used that term to describe the POW's captured in Laos and held secretly in the jungle and then Hanoi. Steve's status was not revealed to US, Red Cross or fellow captives until much, much later. Not part of initial list of POW's to be released at end of war, but the POW with the amazing memory - who took early relesse on orders to do so - had revealed Steve's and the other secret POW's identities forcing Hanoi to include them after threats of continued bombing. These are the stories Steve relayed to me on several of our hunting trips years ago. Ssdly, Steve passed a few years ago.
@@PeterKingRundle Peter, thanks so much for sharing with all of us. Glad you got to spend some time with Steve. What a sordid affair, our handling of POW/MIA. I have a 17 minute video on our 1918 POWs interestingly enough, with original film and video. I think you would find it worthwhile, and hope you view. POW/MIA Part II: The 1918 Russian Expedition
czcams.com/video/A3YIUdGBdH8/video.html
I met Steve Long at the funeral of Ernie Brace, a fellow Lulu POW. Ernie was a dear friend and when he died, I spread his ashes from my Super Cub off the Northern California coast. Last night, I spoke to Nancy Brace, widow of Ernie and she remembers Steve Long. Steve was suffering from medical issues when I met him but his memory was still very good.@@CarterOnConflict
Had a uncle that worked for Air American.
Nice! Thanks for sharing, and I appreciate the watching
I lived near Jim Whalen in the early 80ˋs he was foul mouthed and hard drinking….now I know why.
Wow, thanks for sharing. Yes….understandable. Thanks for watching and commenting.
エアアメリカ？
I don’t know what language this is - I don’t recognize it - but would be happy to answer if we could translate? Thank you for your question.
Que verguenza la actividad de Air America!...hipocrecia norteamerica siempre presente y deberian tener verguenza de fingir ser osados aviadores aventureros Un patetica historia mas de la corrupcion .Lamentables
God Bless America. Do you speak English?
@@CarterOnConflict Do you speak spanish?
@@SWL7601 no, but if I lived in a Spanish-speaking country, I would. Since I presume you speak English, feel free to post in English, I don’t delete any comments ever.
@@CarterOnConflict Thank's.
Good work on your drug running and arms sales Thanks for spreading opium around
I have some video of me imbibing in Laos, but I don’t think I can put the pics on CZcams.
Hater of the US Constitution with zero respect for indigenous cultures, nor international law.,
I see you had a similar comment 5 months ago on another video. Thank you for following my channel.
lol wtf
@@davidlawitts2858 have you heard from Mr. Attucks sir? I presume not, if so, please pass my respect and salutations.
I switched off when he said "louse". Can't respect someone who can't even pronounce the name of the country he helped to destroy.
Someone's accent bother you?
You should hear how northern Vietnamese pronounce it.