NOTE: People in the comments have assured me that Glen from Specter Audio is legit and also has a scientific approach. I'm not dissing him at all, and what I say in the intro wasn't intended to be directed towards him. I'm just using his Neve desk AB as an example to discuss the *specific point* about ABs. Maybe that particular video from him was just less well thought through. I've never really watched him so am not familiar with this regular content, but that particular video on the neve mixes is subject to the specific shortcoming I discuss here.
No mate, people are gaslighting you. The guy is full of shit. You have to watch his review of a chinese mic, where he didn't figure out which side of the mic was the front side and gave a review talking to the mic's back side. His claim that the guitar amp makes close to 0 difference is also retarded. I have multiple amps that I run through a 4x12 Mesa Oversized cab. The difference is quite noticeable, you can make them sound close but every amp has unique sounds that you can't achieve with the other by tweaking the controls. Wish that someone who knows what he's doing will finally debunk this guy's bullshit but people seem to be too afraid of his 500k followers.
Glenn would agree with you. I call him on this stuff when he does it, but he is making a different claim and point usually. Pretty sure he'd be happy to get on a stream with you too
Glen is a guitar guy and a heavy metal producer. He got CZcams famous by yelling, screaming and swearing at people. He famously hates bass players. He’s a good mixer but I agree, he’s not an “engineer” in the purest sense of the word. I’ve been mixing music for almost 30 years but I don’t call myself an “engineer” for the reasons you outlined. The term engineer should be reserved for someone who actually went to school to gain some kind of minimum qualification. Or train drivers. That word gets thrown around way too much these days.
@@officialWWM Glenn has hosted me and Ethan Winer on a few mythbusting episodes, and he does quite a few of them himself. I'm not alone in calling him out when he blows it (like the example AP showed here) and its nice to see him retest things as well. I get what you say about engineers, and I love to see the term "pretengineer" thrown around, but, even as someone who does own a school, I don't fault anyone who doesn't want to kill themselves for a certificate from a modern college where 98% of the time and 99.9999% of the money you spend for the certificate is on classes that have NOTHING to do with your subject and in the case of so many APA and social "science" gatekept sources are actually forcing you to do ANTI-science. I'd rather see if the guy can solder properly and diagnose system problems
As an audio engineer, I've seen a lot of fellow audio engineers falling into this huge pit, understanding why you do what you do is more important than slapping the same low cut on an expensive emulation or an actual analog eq and blabbering about how it sounds "warm, pristine, high quality, has more harmonics" BS. For the most part people are fooled by the marketing. I think a good engineer should be able to achieve good result no matter what plugins are used. End of the day these are tools. It's the ear, not the gear that makes a great mix. PS: Really appreciate what you are trying to do here! keep up the good work
I think Glen was trying to show that the whole experience of console mixing including the difference in available eq curves is what makes the mix better and the speed that he is able to mix it wasn't about sonic differences between Reaper and console more the end result. Your point is good though I just think he's showing off the end result.
Yep. Unfortunately, I’ve had this conversation with a lot of ‘seniors’ and just been dismissed based on my experience. 8 years vs 20+ years. Fortunately, the principles of psychoacoustics, electronics and logic do not change with experience. Very important to be grounded and have a strong zero reference to filter out the bull
Most true as to what you've stated. One must ask, why are the recordings of the 60's/70's/80's etc, sound so different, good/distinct, with the limited types of recording equipment, instrumentation and so on. People used their ears! and weren't being distracted by a computer screen. Old man shouting at clouds, I know.
As best I can recall, the guy from Specter Audio that you took initial issue with, was actually making a similar point to the one you are making here; that is, he was saying it’s important to not get lulled into thinking expensive gear will automatically make your mixes “better.” He typically likes to fall on the side of science and actual engineering and does try to eliminate variables that can skew results. I’m not trying to imply your points here are invalid by any means, rather, just trying to note that I think you both are saying similar things but you are rightfully the more scientific of the two, which is needed obviously. I just wasn’t sure if you realized you both made similar points. Or perhaps I misunderstood his original point (which is also completely possible 😅)
tbh I dont watch the guy, it was just a recommended video and im just commented on that. to be clear, im not dissing him, im just using this particular AB as an example to demonstrate my point
Right. That is what I was thinking. This video should have at least used a real example. Funny thing is I came to this video right from a Glen Frick video 😂
I started when the sound engineer dress with a duster and nobody was allowed to touch any gear in the studio at that time was so frustrating but respect the work and the knowledge needed because to get better is a long process without shortcuts. Thanks mate respect what you’re doing
My personal theory on the Console vs DAW mix topic is this - Movement. On a console, you've gotta reach over and turn pots. Your listening position keeps changing throughout the mix, and so does the overall frequency balance, which means you're never going to get fatigued with how much "resetting" you're doing for your ears. With DAW mixing, you're only really moving your hands, making it very easy to acclimatize to whatever you're doing. I feel like the best DAW mixers work on multiple projects in a day to keep their ears fresh. I Read that this was how "Thank u, Next" was mixed in a single day - Serban and John kept going back and forth on it - in my mind to remain objective and fresh.
You make the same point as Glenn. He bought that console to spice up his workflow. Glenn usually is a "Expensive doesn't mean better" Guy. I've also mixed on a Neve and a SSL and the mixes weren't better but the Workflow was inspiring. But i've also done a great mix on a Behringer console with a Mainboard that i've put in a Dishwasher to clean the dirty Pots and Faders... That was fun :D If it makes you smile using it, you'll get good results.
I didn't takethe Spectre video mean that the variables in question were Neve vs Reaper. I took it to mean the Fricker himself was the variable and he personally felt he could do a better job with the desk than he could with the less tactile, less immediate DAW.
fair enough but the audio examples don't really mean THAT much in that case anyway, since a DAW can do everything a neve can, if it's about mindset then he can just tell us how it makes him feel
Another big problem is that A/B comparisons are rarely blind. Suppose you're predisposed to thinking that analogue is better than digital. If someone gives you an A/B analogue vs. digital comparison you'd immediately assume that one is strictly better than the other. This alone introduces a massive bias. I think a better way is to give multiple references and switch between them. A, B, C are analogue. D, E, F are digital. String together whole bunch of random permutations of these 6 references (DBECAF, BFCEDA, FCBEAD, ...). Challenge the listener to figure out which is which. It's a way harder task than mere A/B comparison. This approach should also reduce the preference bias. Suppose you had A and B, and you preferred B simply because it had a slightly brighter sound or whatever, but this characteristic had in reality nothing to do with the comparison. It was simply "how the knobs were set", so to speak. Like comparing amp modeling vs. real amps - the model might not be 100% perfect, there are some differences in sound, but the question we really want to ask is whether it's good enough (i.e. could this model have been a slightly different analogue amp). We don't care about the fact that someone might prefer a brighter sound, but we can't easily get rid of this aspect in an A/B comparison.
I agree. however if you make it too complex for the viewer, they lose interest. I think a good approach is to do the simple thing in the video and then provide a link to files for people who want to go the extra mile... and normally when I do this usually only around 1% do go the extra mile
Someone should do a video training on the perfect/standardized way to do these split test videos. We need some standardization in this area. And then plugin companies should be encouraged/hounded to use the standard to reduce the BS.
I noticed a difference in audio quality in different sound cards. The same plug-ins sounded better on digital audio recorded on the Apogee versus the cheap sound card.
@@APMastering the USB iMic was the cheapest sound card I had. It made recorded audio sound like an MP3. Sound cards and mixers have different character but it’s what you do with it. So on point there.
Been doing some blind ABX testing on compressor plugins. I absolutely used an o scope to match time constants and gain. Long story short the "high level" of aliasing people were complaining about wasnt enough to justify buying the fancy plugin. The biggest difference between the two was amount of that first harmonic. I even ran it by some industy vets I'm friends with and they couldnt hear the difference other than one sounded fuller in the low mids. I do think that despite the near identical interface the different time constant positions on the selector and that harmonic is actually what was influencing other peoples preferences. When matched the differences were essentially negligible.
I think the best part is you can set up everything for free. Most daws have a simple sine synth or generator, o-scope, and frequency analyzer. There are free ABX programs that give you statistical data on your tests, some are even web apps! You might not have as much data to work with as plugin doctor or whatever, but you can match, and you can test your ears. I wish I started doing this years ago when I was just getting started.
I do think Glenn's point in that video was more about how the change in workflow and mindset changes the end result, rather than a sound comparison between the two, which he'd probably agree would be largely pointless.
Look....I'm no "well known" mixing guy, but I do understand that you can't make people to understand logic. How to isolate a variable in a blind test is crucial. I did so many A/B well set up blind tests, and show them to clients over the years. I sadly realized that they didn't understand anything and in the end they made decisions based on what they saw on the screen after the test was revealed.
i get what you mean and i also get what Glenn meant but I'm glad you pointed out that it is of course not a valid comparison i think your approach to things might align a lot to what Glenn does i smell a call soon, you two would be great and pointing out stuff about gear that misleads "producers and engineers" to spend more money
@@APMasteringnot sure why this is sad, it’s amazing this is accessible to so many more people for their self expression and learning. As with anything there is good and bad, pros and cons, but it’s not sad.
Fletcher is the one from the Fletcher/Munson curves, right? the... "curvas ponderadas" (sorry, english is not my first language, but i mean the ones that approximate the perceived loudness of frequencies to the actual amplitude of the wave)
I've watched Glen for a while and sometimes he slips up just trying to get a video out and this one could have been one, I think you are kinda missing the point with the analog mixer mix A B which was to highlight how massive a difference preamp distortion in a console can have, so if you want to create your own comparison for us I would do a free console distortion vs an Expensive one vs a generic distortion plugin vs a random wave shaping pattern vs no distortion and a Treble boost Eq, I would suggest Air Windows which is this crazy genius who releases everything for free in a super simple format and Universal Audio, just make sure you're using a significant amount per track and take notes, as dynamics and bass information can get lost as well as phasing with polyphonic instruments in certain ranges with too much distortion.
you can buy them but im not sure if the dude who is selling them is doing it for a laugh. that said, he has over 100 videos on his channel, but he's very weird. www.youtube.com/@AudiophileRocks www.ebay.com/usr/audiophile.rocks
can you point out the misrepresentation? other people have commented that he is good, I wasn't bashing him, but he literally just did an AB between subjective mixes
@@periurban Glenn Fricker is full of shit. He takes a valid point and turns it to the extreme. Examples: 1) Guitar Amps don't matter. His argument - He compared a Dual Recto to a 5150 running through the same cabinet using a DI box. He dials-in the amps to sound as close as possible and then claims that it's irrelevant that the amps can be dialed-in to produce unique sounds that the other amp can't match, because the sound that he dialed in was the "mix friendly" sound and all other sounds will not sit well in a mix. Total BS. Just because the speakers have the biggest impact on guitar sound doesn't mean that the amps don't matter - they do and they're not an insignificant factor. 2) Guitar Pickups don't matter - This one is obvious BS as well. The pickups might matter less than the amp but they also contribute to a noticeably different sound. There are tons of comparisons out there that show this (also gain-matched). Recently Keith Merrow did such a comparison and lets be honest here - Keith Merrow is 10 time better guitarist and producer than Glenn Fricker (Glenn Fricker is a very bad guitar player). I can name more examples but these two are glaring enough. The guy thinks having 500k followers makes him a good sound engineer - it doesn't.
To be fair to Glen, he actually does some amazing science on his channel and debunks all sorts of audio voodoo bs. He was most likely comparing the experience of mixing in both mediums and showing how the different ways of working affected the final result for him.
I pointed that out to the "dude" as you called him, his name is Glen, that his test was not so useful. Normally he does solid testing. Remember.. to most, you are just another CZcamsr also.
@@APMasteringwhat OP I think is saying is that to some you come off with an air of arrogance; it’s okay, but you will turn off some people. Not to mention you’re challenging people to think, so there’s that too.
@@phadrus not sure why i come across arrogant. i'm not saying i'm a golden engineer like fletcher, i'm just stating facts. i am interested in those things that used to be important but i am not in the same universe of skill level of electrical engineering or physics that many of the top audio engineers of that era were trained to, let alone your average bell engineer back then, that's so next level that specialisation has made golden engineers for the most part redundant
@@APMastering bruh relax those trolls cant understand simple logic things, you dont have to explain what you do and who u are ahaha, because doesnt matter were u are a cla or the clochard here in my block, youtube is a free space, some people still think not, is a waste of time, lots of people with brain will understand and wont comment
@@APMastering It's what Glenn Fricker's fans are saying when people point out that some of the ideas he's promoting are BS. For example, he's claiming that amps do not matter and that you can EQ a high-gain amp to sound identical to another high-gain amp and the end result will be the same if they run through the same cabinet (therefore according to him, only the cabinet matters and everything else matters insignificantly so). Certainly you can make the two amps sound very close if they run through the same cabinet but you need to deliberately dial them in to be as close as possible. The fact is, however, that the same amps can sound radically different and there are sounds where you can't dial that difference out however you tweak the amp controls and post-EQ.
@@theostragonidis7548your missinterpiting glens points no 1 is when recording high gain guitar speakers make the most difference No2 is the 2 specific amps he tested sound almost identical so theres no need to own both those two amps
My Comment was the reason behind Glen's show and comparison for the Neve and Digital Mixed songs you are talking about!!!!! Glen is cool man... You seem to be trying to Dog each and everything you can and I have already heard some people getting upset about it. I mean who are you? What makes your experience so much more than someone who has 20 years in the business. You need to chill man.... LOL Always dogging people and Plugin companies and you will wind up getting dogged... Just sayin... My Comment said that he always preaches that we can use Cheap gear over the expensive gear to get a great mix!!!! Then he decides to buy a 100,000 dollar Neve so I went off on a comment LOL he replied in a POWERFUL way by making that whole show and comparison... He made a whole darn show about it so I respect that! I just started seeing your stuff and so far you act like you are the only person who can mix... I play guitar and programmed drums and bass even though I can play everything myself. Vocals are amazing when you can take an ordinary voice like mine and make it pop!!!! Thats all that matters man. If we love what we do not if we can compare my stuff to yours knowing always that my stuff is always better LMAO that's what you are saying about you... I got a mix with metal music that will compare to any digital or analog mix LMAO so I have been learning myself as long or longer than Glen SO you might want to find more material that doesn't dog anyone or their practices. LOL Just sayin! I disagreed with another video about Eqs that you made if you remember... Saturation with the many different eq plugins makes each one sound different unless its using the same even or odd harmonics... There is a lot to be said and learned in this business and Glen and I have earned where we are... Let's see some new material from you that don't dog anyone man... I earned mine by playing in a live band for 15 years doing all our own songs. I mixed all of our music. I started back in 1998!!!! 26 years....
@@APMastering I got an idea... How about videos of you showing us what you have learned over the years.... Methods not Plugins LOL See if you can come up with some cool training videos or something I don't know HAHAHAH ... I thought about it myself but I don't have the time honestly... Just saying as always...
@@JamesJones-th3ml i have paid training courses and i'm making regular free content. not sure what you want from me. i don't attack anyone. i do use enticing titles and thumbnails because id rather have views than no views but nothing i've ever published is clickbait because that implies the content is shit and i've delivered or over delivered in every video i've published
NOTE: People in the comments have assured me that Glen from Specter Audio is legit and also has a scientific approach. I'm not dissing him at all, and what I say in the intro wasn't intended to be directed towards him. I'm just using his Neve desk AB as an example to discuss the *specific point* about ABs. Maybe that particular video from him was just less well thought through. I've never really watched him so am not familiar with this regular content, but that particular video on the neve mixes is subject to the specific shortcoming I discuss here.
his channel is full of that stuff
No mate, people are gaslighting you. The guy is full of shit. You have to watch his review of a chinese mic, where he didn't figure out which side of the mic was the front side and gave a review talking to the mic's back side. His claim that the guitar amp makes close to 0 difference is also retarded. I have multiple amps that I run through a 4x12 Mesa Oversized cab. The difference is quite noticeable, you can make them sound close but every amp has unique sounds that you can't achieve with the other by tweaking the controls. Wish that someone who knows what he's doing will finally debunk this guy's bullshit but people seem to be too afraid of his 500k followers.
Glenn would agree with you. I call him on this stuff when he does it, but he is making a different claim and point usually. Pretty sure he'd be happy to get on a stream with you too
Glen is a guitar guy and a heavy metal producer. He got CZcams famous by yelling, screaming and swearing at people. He famously hates bass players. He’s a good mixer but I agree, he’s not an “engineer” in the purest sense of the word. I’ve been mixing music for almost 30 years but I don’t call myself an “engineer” for the reasons you outlined. The term engineer should be reserved for someone who actually went to school to gain some kind of minimum qualification. Or train drivers. That word gets thrown around way too much these days.
@@officialWWM Glenn has hosted me and Ethan Winer on a few mythbusting episodes, and he does quite a few of them himself. I'm not alone in calling him out when he blows it (like the example AP showed here) and its nice to see him retest things as well. I get what you say about engineers, and I love to see the term "pretengineer" thrown around, but, even as someone who does own a school, I don't fault anyone who doesn't want to kill themselves for a certificate from a modern college where 98% of the time and 99.9999% of the money you spend for the certificate is on classes that have NOTHING to do with your subject and in the case of so many APA and social "science" gatekept sources are actually forcing you to do ANTI-science.
I'd rather see if the guy can solder properly and diagnose system problems
Nothing makes the "magic" of a piece of gear disappear faster than a loudness matched ABX test.
ha ha yeah
Gear audio forum people won't admit it.
There's where plugins really shine. Especially the ones like zynaptiq intensity or unfilter, accon digital defilter, etc. The difference is huge.
As an audio engineer, I've seen a lot of fellow audio engineers falling into this huge pit, understanding why you do what you do is more important than slapping the same low cut on an expensive emulation or an actual analog eq and blabbering about how it sounds "warm, pristine, high quality, has more harmonics" BS. For the most part people are fooled by the marketing.
I think a good engineer should be able to achieve good result no matter what plugins are used. End of the day these are tools. It's the ear, not the gear that makes a great mix.
PS: Really appreciate what you are trying to do here! keep up the good work
totally agree!
I think Glen was trying to show that the whole experience of console mixing including the difference in available eq curves is what makes the mix better and the speed that he is able to mix it wasn't about sonic differences between Reaper and console more the end result. Your point is good though I just think he's showing off the end result.
This!
Yep. Unfortunately, I’ve had this conversation with a lot of ‘seniors’ and just been dismissed based on my experience. 8 years vs 20+ years. Fortunately, the principles of psychoacoustics, electronics and logic do not change with experience. Very important to be grounded and have a strong zero reference to filter out the bull
Most true as to what you've stated. One must ask, why are the recordings of the 60's/70's/80's etc, sound so different, good/distinct, with the limited types of recording equipment, instrumentation and so on. People used their ears! and weren't being distracted by a computer screen. Old man shouting at clouds, I know.
As best I can recall, the guy from Specter Audio that you took initial issue with, was actually making a similar point to the one you are making here; that is, he was saying it’s important to not get lulled into thinking expensive gear will automatically make your mixes “better.”
He typically likes to fall on the side of science and actual engineering and does try to eliminate variables that can skew results.
I’m not trying to imply your points here are invalid by any means, rather, just trying to note that I think you both are saying similar things but you are rightfully the more scientific of the two, which is needed obviously. I just wasn’t sure if you realized you both made similar points. Or perhaps I misunderstood his original point (which is also completely possible 😅)
tbh I dont watch the guy, it was just a recommended video and im just commented on that. to be clear, im not dissing him, im just using this particular AB as an example to demonstrate my point
Right. That is what I was thinking. This video should have at least used a real example. Funny thing is I came to this video right from a Glen Frick video 😂
@@phadrus I use a rough mix example
Man, I love your work. You are cutting through the bullshit and keeping it real!
It's like the title of "producer" meaning someone who makes beats vs being a musical virtuoso/band therapist lmao
I started when the sound engineer dress with a duster and nobody was allowed to touch any gear in the studio at that time was so frustrating but respect the work and the knowledge needed because to get better is a long process without shortcuts. Thanks mate respect what you’re doing
My personal theory on the Console vs DAW mix topic is this - Movement. On a console, you've gotta reach over and turn pots. Your listening position keeps changing throughout the mix, and so does the overall frequency balance, which means you're never going to get fatigued with how much "resetting" you're doing for your ears.
With DAW mixing, you're only really moving your hands, making it very easy to acclimatize to whatever you're doing. I feel like the best DAW mixers work on multiple projects in a day to keep their ears fresh. I Read that this was how "Thank u, Next" was mixed in a single day - Serban and John kept going back and forth on it - in my mind to remain objective and fresh.
that could be an important aspect
I agree that the word engineer is thrown around rather loosely these days, especially in the field of audio!
You make the same point as Glenn. He bought that console to spice up his workflow.
Glenn usually is a "Expensive doesn't mean better" Guy.
I've also mixed on a Neve and a SSL and the mixes weren't better but the Workflow was inspiring.
But i've also done a great mix on a Behringer console with a Mainboard that i've put in a Dishwasher to clean the dirty Pots and Faders... That was fun :D
If it makes you smile using it, you'll get good results.
Pickups don't matter and amps don't matter. Yeah, buddy. Also, if you can't tell Glenn's mixes are absolute trash, you might want to check your ears.
I didn't takethe Spectre video mean that the variables in question were Neve vs Reaper. I took it to mean the Fricker himself was the variable and he personally felt he could do a better job with the desk than he could with the less tactile, less immediate DAW.
fair enough but the audio examples don't really mean THAT much in that case anyway, since a DAW can do everything a neve can, if it's about mindset then he can just tell us how it makes him feel
You are seriously putting me out of my Skepticism in Audio job
ha ha 😎
Real quality content on this channel. Keep up the good work!
I've just watched until 1'30" and you've so deserved the sub.
Bell included.
Great stuff!
Another big problem is that A/B comparisons are rarely blind. Suppose you're predisposed to thinking that analogue is better than digital. If someone gives you an A/B analogue vs. digital comparison you'd immediately assume that one is strictly better than the other. This alone introduces a massive bias.
I think a better way is to give multiple references and switch between them. A, B, C are analogue. D, E, F are digital. String together whole bunch of random permutations of these 6 references (DBECAF, BFCEDA, FCBEAD, ...). Challenge the listener to figure out which is which. It's a way harder task than mere A/B comparison.
This approach should also reduce the preference bias. Suppose you had A and B, and you preferred B simply because it had a slightly brighter sound or whatever, but this characteristic had in reality nothing to do with the comparison. It was simply "how the knobs were set", so to speak. Like comparing amp modeling vs. real amps - the model might not be 100% perfect, there are some differences in sound, but the question we really want to ask is whether it's good enough (i.e. could this model have been a slightly different analogue amp). We don't care about the fact that someone might prefer a brighter sound, but we can't easily get rid of this aspect in an A/B comparison.
I agree. however if you make it too complex for the viewer, they lose interest. I think a good approach is to do the simple thing in the video and then provide a link to files for people who want to go the extra mile... and normally when I do this usually only around 1% do go the extra mile
Someone should do a video training on the perfect/standardized way to do these split test videos. We need some standardization in this area. And then plugin companies should be encouraged/hounded to use the standard to reduce the BS.
@@phadrus its just what I say in the video. isolate all variables apart from the one you want to study
So right on.
I noticed a difference in audio quality in different sound cards. The same plug-ins sounded better on digital audio recorded on the Apogee versus the cheap sound card.
depending on how cheaply designed it could be negatively impacting the sound quality
@@APMastering the USB iMic was the cheapest sound card I had. It made recorded audio sound like an MP3. Sound cards and mixers have different character but it’s what you do with it. So on point there.
EXACTLY. I'm embarrassed to call myself an "engineer", and I'm very scientifically minded.
Just tell people who know nothing about it your a mix engineer you’ll look cool
Been doing some blind ABX testing on compressor plugins. I absolutely used an o scope to match time constants and gain. Long story short the "high level" of aliasing people were complaining about wasnt enough to justify buying the fancy plugin. The biggest difference between the two was amount of that first harmonic. I even ran it by some industy vets I'm friends with and they couldnt hear the difference other than one sounded fuller in the low mids. I do think that despite the near identical interface the different time constant positions on the selector and that harmonic is actually what was influencing other peoples preferences. When matched the differences were essentially negligible.
exactly!
I think the best part is you can set up everything for free. Most daws have a simple sine synth or generator, o-scope, and frequency analyzer. There are free ABX programs that give you statistical data on your tests, some are even web apps! You might not have as much data to work with as plugin doctor or whatever, but you can match, and you can test your ears. I wish I started doing this years ago when I was just getting started.
I do think Glenn's point in that video was more about how the change in workflow and mindset changes the end result, rather than a sound comparison between the two, which he'd probably agree would be largely pointless.
Tbh I think the two of you would get on pretty well actually 😂
Some people want to see a collab. I might reach out to him
Just emailed him
Look....I'm no "well known" mixing guy, but I do understand that you can't make people to understand logic. How to isolate a variable in a blind test is crucial. I did so many A/B well set up blind tests, and show them to clients over the years. I sadly realized that they didn't understand anything and in the end they made decisions based on what they saw on the screen after the test was revealed.
i get what you mean and i also get what Glenn meant but I'm glad you pointed out that it is of course not a valid comparison
i think your approach to things might align a lot to what Glenn does i smell a call soon, you two would be great and pointing out stuff about gear that misleads "producers and engineers" to spend more money
"what was his mood like when he was mixing" probably horrible as usual
The advent of the DAW and home computer bred too many audio "engineers."
Love your channel 💪 pls never stop!
thanks!
Most "engineers" are all laymen these days.
sadly it seems that way
@@APMasteringnot sure why this is sad, it’s amazing this is accessible to so many more people for their self expression and learning. As with anything there is good and bad, pros and cons, but it’s not sad.
Lets gooo AP 😂❤ you the Best
Fletcher is the one from the Fletcher/Munson curves, right? the... "curvas ponderadas" (sorry, english is not my first language, but i mean the ones that approximate the perceived loudness of frequencies to the actual amplitude of the wave)
exactly. he did more than that. he was a genius
The best audio engineering channel on CZcams :D
Facts 😂🎉❤
I've watched Glen for a while and sometimes he slips up just trying to get a video out and this one could have been one, I think you are kinda missing the point with the analog mixer mix A B which was to highlight how massive a difference preamp distortion in a console can have, so if you want to create your own comparison for us I would do a free console distortion vs an Expensive one vs a generic distortion plugin vs a random wave shaping pattern vs no distortion and a Treble boost Eq, I would suggest Air Windows which is this crazy genius who releases everything for free in a super simple format and Universal Audio, just make sure you're using a significant amount per track and take notes, as dynamics and bass information can get lost as well as phasing with polyphonic instruments in certain ranges with too much distortion.
i'm going to do a proper neve vs daw test at some point
Dan Worrall imo is the compass on how to do product demos correctly. He even made a video titled "How (not) to test your plugins."
Am a "mixing eigneer"😂
Are these rocks a meme or are they really on the market
you can buy them but im not sure if the dude who is selling them is doing it for a laugh. that said, he has over 100 videos on his channel, but he's very weird.
www.youtube.com/@AudiophileRocks
www.ebay.com/usr/audiophile.rocks
This is accurate.
Logical.
You kinda misrepresented Glenn from Specter Audio. He's a confirmed debunker of audio mythology and was making the same point as you!
can you point out the misrepresentation? other people have commented that he is good, I wasn't bashing him, but he literally just did an AB between subjective mixes
@@APMastering And was making the same point as you. No?
@@periurban Glenn Fricker is full of shit. He takes a valid point and turns it to the extreme. Examples:
1) Guitar Amps don't matter. His argument - He compared a Dual Recto to a 5150 running through the same cabinet using a DI box. He dials-in the amps to sound as close as possible and then claims that it's irrelevant that the amps can be dialed-in to produce unique sounds that the other amp can't match, because the sound that he dialed in was the "mix friendly" sound and all other sounds will not sit well in a mix. Total BS. Just because the speakers have the biggest impact on guitar sound doesn't mean that the amps don't matter - they do and they're not an insignificant factor.
2) Guitar Pickups don't matter - This one is obvious BS as well. The pickups might matter less than the amp but they also contribute to a noticeably different sound. There are tons of comparisons out there that show this (also gain-matched). Recently Keith Merrow did such a comparison and lets be honest here - Keith Merrow is 10 time better guitarist and producer than Glenn Fricker (Glenn Fricker is a very bad guitar player).
I can name more examples but these two are glaring enough. The guy thinks having 500k followers makes him a good sound engineer - it doesn't.
@@theostragonidis7548 He obviously made you take notice though, which I think counts as a win for everyone.
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To be fair to Glen, he actually does some amazing science on his channel and debunks all sorts of audio voodoo bs. He was most likely comparing the experience of mixing in both mediums and showing how the different ways of working affected the final result for him.
I pointed that out to the "dude" as you called him, his name is Glen, that his test was not so useful. Normally he does solid testing. Remember.. to most, you are just another CZcamsr also.
You missed the points completely
I dont watch him so not very familiar with his regular content. Everyone who publishes CZcams videos is just another CZcamsr by definition.
@@APMasteringwhat OP I think is saying is that to some you come off with an air of arrogance; it’s okay, but you will turn off some people. Not to mention you’re challenging people to think, so there’s that too.
@@phadrus not sure why i come across arrogant. i'm not saying i'm a golden engineer like fletcher, i'm just stating facts. i am interested in those things that used to be important but i am not in the same universe of skill level of electrical engineering or physics that many of the top audio engineers of that era were trained to, let alone your average bell engineer back then, that's so next level that specialisation has made golden engineers for the most part redundant
@@APMastering bruh relax those trolls cant understand simple logic things, you dont have to explain what you do and who u are ahaha, because doesnt matter were u are a cla or the clochard here in my block, youtube is a free space, some people still think not, is a waste of time, lots of people with brain will understand and wont comment
I must be a proper audio engineer then because I use both Logic and Reason. 🙃
''He wants to save you money by buying speakers.''...
Ok, I'll get an EQ and IR pedal. They are cheaper and more versatile and take up no space. 🙄
i don't get the reference
@@APMastering It's what Glenn Fricker's fans are saying when people point out that some of the ideas he's promoting are BS. For example, he's claiming that amps do not matter and that you can EQ a high-gain amp to sound identical to another high-gain amp and the end result will be the same if they run through the same cabinet (therefore according to him, only the cabinet matters and everything else matters insignificantly so). Certainly you can make the two amps sound very close if they run through the same cabinet but you need to deliberately dial them in to be as close as possible. The fact is, however, that the same amps can sound radically different and there are sounds where you can't dial that difference out however you tweak the amp controls and post-EQ.
@@theostragonidis7548your missinterpiting glens points no 1 is when recording high gain guitar speakers make the most difference
No2 is the 2 specific amps he tested sound almost identical so theres no need to own both those two amps
Reaperversusneve guy is super annoying.
My Comment was the reason behind Glen's show and comparison for the Neve and Digital Mixed songs you are talking about!!!!! Glen is cool man... You seem to be trying to Dog each and everything you can and I have already heard some people getting upset about it. I mean who are you? What makes your experience so much more than someone who has 20 years in the business. You need to chill man.... LOL Always dogging people and Plugin companies and you will wind up getting dogged... Just sayin...
My Comment said that he always preaches that we can use Cheap gear over the expensive gear to get a great mix!!!! Then he decides to buy a 100,000 dollar Neve so I went off on a comment LOL he replied in a POWERFUL way by making that whole show and comparison... He made a whole darn show about it so I respect that! I just started seeing your stuff and so far you act like you are the only person who can mix...
I play guitar and programmed drums and bass even though I can play everything myself. Vocals are amazing when you can take an ordinary voice like mine and make it pop!!!! Thats all that matters man. If we love what we do not if we can compare my stuff to yours knowing always that my stuff is always better LMAO that's what you are saying about you...
I got a mix with metal music that will compare to any digital or analog mix LMAO so I have been learning myself as long or longer than Glen SO you might want to find more material that doesn't dog anyone or their practices. LOL Just sayin! I disagreed with another video about Eqs that you made if you remember... Saturation with the many different eq plugins makes each one sound different unless its using the same even or odd harmonics... There is a lot to be said and learned in this business and Glen and I have earned where we are... Let's see some new material from you that don't dog anyone man... I earned mine by playing in a live band for 15 years doing all our own songs. I mixed all of our music. I started back in 1998!!!! 26 years....
ive been in the business nearly 20 years too. not 100% sure what your point is. i'm just talking truth not attacking anyone
@@APMastering Every single video you are making is attacking someone man... LMAO At least the ones I have seen.
@@APMastering The click bait is insulting as well... DUMB A/B TESTs... You are referring to Glen with that statement LMAO
@@APMastering I got an idea... How about videos of you showing us what you have learned over the years.... Methods not Plugins LOL See if you can come up with some cool training videos or something I don't know HAHAHAH ... I thought about it myself but I don't have the time honestly... Just saying as always...
@@JamesJones-th3ml i have paid training courses and i'm making regular free content. not sure what you want from me. i don't attack anyone. i do use enticing titles and thumbnails because id rather have views than no views but nothing i've ever published is clickbait because that implies the content is shit and i've delivered or over delivered in every video i've published
I find it cool that those people think emulation is good. They should have a talk with nintendo's lawyers.
I knew I couldn’t take a Canadian seriously.
using ai and be called an engineer lol
You can say Glenn fricker we all know
Excellent arguement, poor illustration. 😎
why poor?
Glens mixes are mid