Using the Ford Fast Charging Adapter: Ford gains access to Tesla's Supercharger Network
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
- Sandy demonstrates the new Ford Adapter and discusses with Robert Hayes, Ford's Manager of Public Charging Customer Experience, how to optimize the charging experience.
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#charginginfrastructure #ford #tesla
Jim Farley should take another road trip and show how easy it is to go with a Ford now. Jim videotape and publish!
Tesla charges ford customers a lot more, about 10-20% more 😅 good luck
@@dertythegrower Farley can afford it. Plus, the upcharge probably kicks back to Ford anyway🙂
@mikelemoine4267 actually it all goes to tesla it seems. ford would be wise to not add anything onto the costs, at least initially. the price difference for charging will be so cheap anyways most people simply won't care. we're talking a couple bucks per tank
Farley killed the sales of his own electric vehicles after he published his roadtrip showing the horrible state of non-Tesla charging in the USA. This should help out a lot. They should tell people to use only the small diameter liquid cooled cables because those are the faster chargers. I’ve seen locations with both types, usually in separate areas.
and how to take up two spots
Thanks Sandy and Robert for clarifying so many questions we have!
Great to see these adapters starting rolling out for non-tesla vehicles. I'm from Europe, and I feel happy that the US is also moving forward, and eventually getting a better charging infrastructure thanks to NACS.
Sandy is partly to thank for this.
I'm located in Toronto, Canada and reserved the adapter for my Lightning on Fords website with no charge and within a few hours they updated my vehicle . They will notify me when it ships.
Thank you, Ford, and thank you, Munro live
Thanks Sandy for the review and thank Jim Farley for seeing the infrastructure as the single biggest limitation to EV adoption. As a Lightning owner who only planned on local use for several more years, it's here and now. Will take multiple trips as soon as my adaptor arrives!
As a Tesla owner this is great news. I know a few Tesla owners may think it's a bad idea, but the more people using the Tesla network the faster it can expand - and Tesla has shown it can expand quite quickly when the demand is there.
TESLA offered the Supercharger network to FORD & others in 2012, no takers.
Just for the record ... I was waiting on a Cybertruck, but instead I just bought a used F150 Lightning based on the availability and simplicity of this adapter. So THANK YOU SANDY for helping to instigate it's creation! 🙂
How do you like it?
I did this exact same thing and couldn't be happier with the lightning. This is after owning 4 different Teslas over the last 5 years.
@@mikelemoine4267
the F150 Lightning is a FAKE TOUGH truck, unlike REAL Tough like Cybertruck .
CT can charge @ FULL 250kw DC Fast charge , FASTER than FORD.
So far I really like my used (but like new) Lightning, so I can see why Sandy raves about them. It’s my first Ford, so it’s unfamiliar and I’m learning a lot. Each truck has pros and cons. CT draws more attention, is tougher on the outside, charges faster, and has better tech. F150 goes unnoticed, has more storage volume (mine came with a nice $3K topper), has more accessories, bigger frunk, a MUCH lower price, and was available now. Compared to the 2-motor CT (my preference), the Ford offers similar acceleration and range, and now … the game changer for me … they can both use Tesla’s Superchargers.
@@paulrybarczyk5013 - the Lightning is very CRAPPY.
its literally built on a Horse & Buggy frame and its Already OUTDATED.
Cybertruck can haul 125 cuft all LOCKING storage. and Tesla has 360 * Theft monitoring, you get alerted when someone gets too close to vehicle.
Video saved and you can even access the Cabin camera to check on pets.
Cybertruck even had Dedicated CAMP & PET modes.
Cybertruck can MAX tow 12,000 lbs for Hundreds of miles , 1% only tow in City limits.
Cybertruck does MORE work in Tougher situations than any other truck.
Robert is an excellent Ford engineer - always happy to discuss technical details with customers - glad he is part of the Ford team!
He's a PR guy, not an engineer. This is basically his job. See @1:43 - "Manager of Public Charging Customer Experience"
@@ckm-mkc I know Robert and he is more than a PR guy, but thanks for the observation.
Cable is too short, next thing to tell him is that others needed to use two supercharger parking spots in certain areas using this... also, next time do not put the carraige in before you have the 'mustang' installed ahead of it
@@dertythegrower
Nope.
The cable is exactly the correct length for the car it's designed for.
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Tesla offered the network 10 years ago.
If any vehicle designed since isn't "right front, centre front, or left rear" whose problem is it?
(Clue.... "Not Tesla")
NO he is not, IF he were good , he would be @ TESLA.
Game changer. Literally. This does two things - it makes a reliable supercharger available to the excellent Lightning and Mach E for the rare times a public charger is really needed, and it will force the crappy balance of non-Tesla chargers to up their game or just go away.
You need to recheck the definition of "Excellent"...
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Just sayin'
@@rogerstarkey5390To be fair, I feel like the Lightning and Mach-E are some of the best non-EV sector (Rivian, Tesla, Lucid, Etc.) or China-based (NIO,BYD,Xpeng, etc) electrics on the market in the US- Toyota's platform is BY FAR the worst and Ultium has been plauged with issues.
This is fantastic. It reminds me of the early days of cell phones when roaming started working and you could travel with your phone and have it work.
That brings back memories! Mine would go into roaming in one part of my territory that was only 10 miles from home, but I guess my carrier (Cellular One) didn't have a tower there so it was pricey if you had to make a call. Actually, it was pricey no matter where you were compared to today's cellular plans. 🙂
@@mikelemoine4267 I programmed the system for Cell One that let you add minutes by phone.
really glad that Tesla cared about the people who purchased their vehicles to set up a charging network.
Got mine ordered. #2100 in line. Should be here by May.
#206
#117
Is it free?
I dont know where you see the number but i ordered mine today and the delivery date is… october 😭
I’ve had a Mach-e for 3 years and only charged about 10 times outside the home. Who typically drives 280 miles a day? I only use it on vacations.
I do. I travel up and down the coast as my job requires 25% travel. By the way 280 miles is only 140 if you need to return home, right?
When you pay for DCFC all the efficiency of an electric goes out the window because of cost. At $0.50/kwh fuel cost per mile is on par with gas vehicles the same size.
@@cyumadbrosummit3534 that is correct. Most only charge their car to 80 or 90 percent as is a little better for the battery. However, if you do need more miles you can charge to 100% (which is technically 90% as Ford built in its own buffer) and get about 300 ish miles. Each year tech is getting better and more miles are being added to batteries and faster charging. They have a few cars out there that charge from 20 to 80 percent in about 18-19 minutes.
That's not bad. Right now is the EV growth spurt. Give it 8-10 years and we are going to see some really cool tech.
"and thanks to Elon Musk and Tesla for allowing this to happen". YES. Do you think if the roles were reversed Ford or any other automaker would have done this, No Way. Now we need to teach Ford and automakers to get their drivers to park on the far right at Tesla charging locations to reduce to one stall the number of stalls that won't be usable. Tesla drivers will stay to the left.
The next biggest move?
Suggest (Or request that Government "suggests") that a "front right/ rear left" port position becomes standard, as of any new model launch, or 2026, whichever is sooner.
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Then the problem goes away.
Lol. More like, thanks to the Biden administration for requiring open access to chargers for companies that wanted that sweet government money.
Nice, a prequel to one of my favorite Black Mirror episodes.
Fights at the charger station for opposing charging port locations will be fun internet fodder. (The ports on the vehicles are on the same side, but opposite ends of the vehicles. So they need to pull up to different sides of the same charger. They aren't compatible from a macro perspective. Will be interesting)
yeah, I'm OK with any car taking up a fast charging port but not so much with one car taking up two spaces.
@@willyag2529 This those other cars will queue up on side of the chargers taking up +1 space (3 cars 4 charging slots) and Tesla cars will be on the other and taking up 1 space each.
This is proven by marquesbrownlee whom is a major youtuber for tech and electric vehicles.. he actually owns one for his company mkbhd, before this happened, too.
@@gnoxycatNo, mkbhd shows itll take up two spots if there is limited space
@@dertythegrower I'm not sure where I first saw the issue raised, I didn't originate the concern. And also, MKBHD is excellent.
Sandy could also thank Tesla engineers since the Ford adapter has been designed and is manufactured by Tesla
Source?
Not manufactured by T
@@4rwayner7
Yes, it is
@@cyumadbrosummit3534 Designed and engineered : Ford representative in Out of Spec podcast. Manufactured : The Verge
@@4rwayner7 Yes according to The Verge
I believe it's actually the "Tesla fast charging adaptor, Ford Edition" 😉
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I am surprised its not "Ford Blue"
its already overpriced if you do not order it or get yours in time.. that would make it go from 250 to 300
@@dertythegrower3rd-party options like the A2Z adapter exist, plus it's free based on VIN and not owner, until iirc the end of June. that's MORE than enough time for all current owners in my opinion.
Good video, to the point without extraneous BS or promotion of unrelated products. Thank you.
can't wait to see when Rivian can use Tesla fast chargers
RIVIAN cant Supercharge @ FULL 250kw DC like ALL Tesla can.
This Really Big News Commando. 😊 Ford First, then others will follow. Every one will need Chargers Galore❤
Sounds to me like Ford is really working very hard on the software front and getting things done well so far.
(I suspect there's more than a little Tesla involvement on that front 😉)
@syanchx CSS is different in Europe and the US. Not comparable on several different levels. Happy you have a common plug/protocol.
Now all they need is a cable extension (granted, it would be heavy) so that Fords won't block an extra charging stall.
There won't be a cable extension. These charging cables are liquid cooled to handle the amount of power being transferred.
October is my current expected date. So quick...
I'm impressed that they're enabling plug and charge.
Can't wait for GM to follow soon! Would love to charge my Bolt EV at the Tesla Superchargers
Thanks for video!
Welcome!
My previous question was regarding the F150 lighting level 1 charging particularly.
Thanks. Sure hope the Ford board appreciates Farley
Ask the Ford engineer, whether in future models of its EV’s it will place the charging port in the same location as Teslas to minimize the double parking necessary to plug-in
Thanks, the adapter concept is great for everyone... I hope the others join the train...
Note that this adapter was engineered and is manufactured by Tesla. They killed it on this thing.
As usual
I actually almost forgot about that! Assume similar ones will be avalible for the other brands?
Great that other manufactures ES's are working on Tesla super charges. Big question is how soon is Ford and everyone else moving there charge port to the ideal location to optimize the super charger experience and not perturb Tesla owners by occupying 2 slots.
Well, I'm not sure how much of an issue this will be, as long as charge ports are positioned on front passenger or rear driver's side it SHOULD be good. Tesla does have a section on the supercharging FAQ indicated expected behavior for these situations though.
Thanks Munro for all you do to help humanity….this is great for Ford EV owners!
THX Sandy . that was quick and easy
Ford likes to call their software update “over the air update.” I believe that “air” is in the Ford Service Centers.
The updates are downloaded from your home WiFi or LTE, that behavior had stayed every since SYNC 3 wireless updates.
@@casualgamer1209 - FORD sync 3 is Circa 1990's.......lol.
@@markplott4820SYNC 3 is still currently in use in a couple vehicles.
@@markplott4820I didn't mean the 3rd gen SYNC, I meant the actuall system branded as SYNC 3.
Explain me: why on earth shall a ford ev be charged trough a ford account after charging at a tesla sc? Is that what happens when charging at Ionity chargers or in any other charging operator? Why is a ford owner locked in?
Would love to see what’s inside the adapter. I assume this is simple
It would be Monroe‘s smallest teardown 😅
When the production version comes out, I would like to see the inside, too.
Make it so, Sandy!
ZERO Electronics in the Adapter.
It's just a simple pass through. Adaptor is completely passive.
This is all well and good but how many stalls are you blocking while you charge your one EV?
As always ahead of the curve
Cheers guys
Sandy, can you share with us when Ford (or whether Ford) will include in-network Tesla Superchargers into their vehicle’s on-board native navigation system to permit battery preconditioning prior to arrival?
Put the tesla charger port on passenger side and no issue with two parking stops
Hi Sandy
Great content. I have a charging question that no one from Ford that I have contacted has been able to answer. Did Ford actually limit the level 1 charging to 12 amps even when hooked up to a neama tt30 rv receptacle? I asked the question on tom moloughney's state of charge channel. He might not know because I didn't receive a reply.
Does anyone know if this Level 3 adapter will work on Level 2 as well? I would imagine it could but would like to know for sure.
I feel comfortable investing in Ford again
When Ford matches the Dutch price of the Mach E with the USA prices I will buy one. At this moment the EV 6 of Kia would be my choice.
So, do you have to use the phone app to find a charger? Can the chargers be selected and navigated to via the in vehicle screen or voice commands?
All the above. You can use very useful apps, the Mach-E has charge stations on the GPS. Also if I set a trip say from LA to Vegas, it will route the trip with the best charges to stop at based on many factors. Finally, when you get an electric car you start paying attention to charge stations and realize they are EVERYWHERE. It’s shocking how many there are that I didn’t notice until I got an electric car
most people don't notice
You cant just pick random chargers. You need to make sure they are compatible. It was not clear in this go-over if the in-truck map includes that information yet. But if it doesn't, that should be fixable in an OTA update.
@@patreekotime4578 it does but it slow. the mach-E vlog show that it pulls up on navigation in the car .
NOPE .
Very clever Ford .
Why didnt the connector come with a 6ft cable to avoid the double parking?
I'm guessing it is a combination of several things, such as: (1) wanting to avoid additional cost for a 6ft thick-enough cable; (2) wanting to avoid additional weight; (3) wanting to avoid extra storage space required (need to store in the truck rather than in the glove compartment); (4) increasing the length of the cable(s) between a charger and a car increases the amount of electrical resistance, and thus makes charging slower and more expensive; and (5) not wanting to encourage a "we don't need to change the position of the charging port when designing future vehicles" attitude in other car makers.
The cables are liquid cooled. You can't just toss in an extension and expect that portion to be cooled effectively.
@@Narcissist86 Thanks 🙏🏻 Slipped my mind.
Plug and Charge! Victory! 🎉
With all this stuff in favor of Tesla you'd think their stock would be skyrocketing but it's doing the opposite. Come on Tesla do something huge to help your shareholders!
I don't think you mentioned how long it takes to fully charge a Lightning with the Tesla SuperCharger/adapter.
I'd like to know if you have to use plug and charge, or can you use tesla app to charge with membership for lower pricing. With EA (Electrify America) had to disable plug and charge, and use EA app to get membership pricing.
That's an amazing improvement
TESLA offered ALL American oems Access to TESLA Supercharger network in 2012, no takers.
I would really like to know, is ford going to help expand the tesla supercharer network, or are they just paying more for the eletrcity?
More demand from multiple manufacturers and customers, more government licenses and cash flow to support a bigger network of fast chargers. What the country needs is actually way more level twos that can help people charge close to home for those without garages. Imagine if Tesla gets an entry point to that enormous opportunity, if it is just to sell your equipment to third-party vendors or installers?
My expected ship by is August 2024😮✌🏻order placed 3/2/24
Where can I buy this in Canada ?
So they're not compatible with Gen 2 Superchargers? Because those are the only ones I've seen in Michigan?
Tesla retrofitted 15,000 chargers with interface electronics.
They're not going to do that on V2 units which will be the first to be cycled out.
NO, unlikely.
@@rogerstarkey5390 There are a lot of V2s out there, They were the ones that made it possible to go cost to cost. The are the slowest.
I have 130,000 miles on my CCS equipped car. While I have run into broken chargers from time to time, it is never prevented me from a long-distance trip.
Tesla fanboys strike again….
What happens when a Ford is in line at a full Supercharger? No way can they wait for two spaces to open. What was mostly a stress free charging situation at the SC network will now become stressful.
It's an unlikely event.
Teslas are the overwhelming majority of EVs and will crowd out Fords, not the other way around.
Unlikely event? Where I live in south Florida our chargers on Alligator Alley and the Turnpike or always full during peak hours.... there will be Fords and others there soon. It will happen and it will suck for someone - either the Tesla drivers or the Ford drivers. Can't get away from it. @@rogerstarkey5390
FORD does not have the TESLA Supercharger App, NAV on Autopilot that Automatically PRE conditions when Navigating. also, FORD is UNABLE to see how many at stalls FULL & How many enroute like a Tesla.
if things go as they have been, I will receive my adapter, but who knows when I will get a software update. Had my lightning for 6 months never gotten an update.
Be careful, the warranty terms specify you have to get updates within a timely period or it can void your warranty if the lack of an update damages something. I think it's mostly related to things that might drain or affect the battery, but if you aren't getting updates you might check their website to make sure you're not missing anything. A trip to the dealer might be required if you can't get them OTA. Just looking out for you!
I must say that this sounds strange to me. Do EV's in North America have different charging ports? Why? Don't you have a common standard? Does this gain anything or anyone? Here in Europe all have to use the common standard, the CCS port. It looks like the one that Ford uses. It is ok to use another. But it shall be one common standard. All new EV's shall use the CCS port here in Europe. Even Teslas have the CCS port here in Europe. Why don't you have a common standard? It is very simple.
NO Standard in USA, CCS - north America, JI772 - north America , Chademo - discontinued, and Tesla NACS.
the CCS/j1772 connector is materially DIFFERENT from the Superior EV variant.
🔌🔌One of the biggest complaints I get from older people is phone apps are hard to read and can be misconfigured. Will this app also be available to change the setups on a PC? Once the setups are configured then the phone can be used in the background.🔌🔌
I don't fully understand, but the adapter can be gotten through the Ford website. I think you can also enroll then in BlueOval(REQUIRED) and Plug-and-Charge through there?
Wow!!!
Well done Ford.
👍👍
This is fantastic for EV adoption. U.S. OEMs now have a charging network their customers can rely on during long trips. This opens the freeways to them. Soon range anxiety will be a thing of the past just like it already is for most Tesla owners.
Let's also hope that the U.S. "news" media stops with all the blather about EV charging and cold weather blah blah blah. They will be hurting the OEMs now if they don't, and all that lovely ad money.
Hats off to Farley for admitting FOrd's alliance and changing infrastructure sucked. There are 4 Electrify America charging stations in the State of New Hampshire. Ummmm Tesla has a few more.I just returned an I4 M50 because there was virtually no CCS fast changing in my area, and that which in place was inop more often than not
Sandy didn’t ask about the cost. Are Ford drivers paying the same rate for electricity as Tesla drivers? Charging apps and locations should post prices just like gas stations.
Let's say Tesla drivers pay $0.50 at a given location.
The local "other brand" provider charges $0.75 (quite representative?)
Tesla requests a levy of....
35% for those who haven't registered on the app?
Reasonable?
That would be $0.68.
Still cheaper.rven if they charged, +50%, the same price, and it "works"?
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Alternatively
$12:99 per month, then you get the "Tesla rate".
$12:99 at $ 0.75 minus 0.50 per kWh is 52kWh to "break even".
Basically, your first charge of the month pays for the registration, then it's cheap and convenient.
The price is set by Ford.
It's amazing how much simpler the adapter and the app. are and only waiting for 45 minutes; gone are the days of pulling up to a pump, putting your card in, and fueling your vehicle in 5 minutes... Ahh progress...
OK, genius, can you pump fuel from your garage every night for pennies?
@@jamesengland7461 When you can pack the same energy density in a 20-gallon fuel tank with the same time efficiency, I'll listen. Batteries are not ready for prime time, it's that simple... Prove me wrong GENIUS!
@@SouthernEngineeringI've met EV owners and they LOVE it, no-one's every told me the fast charging experience sucks. YOu can go in somwehere and eat, and when you're done, you have enough range for the next leg of your road trip. Plus, you'd still save money, and don't forget that 20-gallon fuel car makes a LOT more emmisions from the combustion of the fuel in that tank than it's upstream/sourcing emmisions.
@@SouthernEngineering the ramcharger has over a 20 gallon tank
What is a gas Pump ?
Thanks Sandy. I have a Chevy Bolt. Is GM planning something similar for Chevys soon? Could I use a Ford Adapter with my Bolt?
GM is moving over to NACS, unfortunatley I SERIOUSLY doubt non-Ultium Bolt is going to get adapter support :(
Spring 2024 RIVIAN.
then .
gm , Volvo and Polestar sometime in 2024.
@@markplott4820A couple other brands are listed there.
Ford still won't accommodate those of us with subscriptions to EA or EVgo or Tesla that allow more favorable pricing. If you use Ford Pass or Plug and Charge, you are paying the highest price at the charger.
Tesla are doing a great job and getting the money 😀
Can't wait to see when other EV makers are given the green light.
How about mentioning the charging speed? Did I miss something? I know ford got a bad rap on slow charging on its trucks. Will this improve that problem, or is this just adding more locations for ford users to sit for extended charge sessions?
This adapter can't fix that.
Still the 150kW peak rate.
NO, Limited to 150 kw or LESS.
@@markplott4820150kW is peak and around 20-30% SoC, it can depened on coniditons, and also I have seen 175+kW on other people's videos.
@@casualgamer1209 - My TESLA charges at 1000 mph for 15 minutes , can charge to 70% .
Not a big game changer in the maritimes Canada. There are only 2 v3 charge stations in the entire 3 provinces. I'm still up shit creek with the charging infrastructure and road tripping. Wondering when they will enable V2, that will make a big difference for me.
"There are only 2 v3 charge stations in the entire 3 provinces..."
I don't know why that is, but it'll be something to do with the French.
I think a Lightning would suit my particular needs very well, but I just don't know if I trust Ford knowing how many design flaws they've put out in recent years and stuck customers with them (5 year old trucks breaking down because of leaky taillights that cost $2K to fix, dual clutch transmissions that they willfully avoided fixing, phaser issues for a decade, etc.). If they had a Hyundai type warranty it would ease my mind, but they won't even sell an extended battery warranty which tells me they have little faith that it will last much longer than 8 years. With the cost of a replacement, any fuel/maintenance savings would be wasted and then some. At least Tesla's are starting to get limited aftermarket support (Electrified Garage is not far from me).
Now if Ford will put their charge ports closer to the end of the vehicle, with the door NOT opening in the wrong direction....
That was dumb from the beginning.
Nice. EV's don't care where the electricity comes from. The charger does care where the money comes from. So now just build that adaptor into the inside of all Fords.
I believe that's the plan for next year's models. But they needed a stopgap adapter for the vehicles on the road today, otherwise you'd Osbourne today's sales.
Go Ford!
would have been nice to see how fast it charged
How about the price? It’s crazy from what I hear. 71 cents a KWHr.
Big question that you didn't answer…. How Fast?
I got ~167 KW for around 10 minutes, then it tapers down to 120's then toward end of charge curve 50's
The speed of the charge is regulated by the vehicle, not the Supercharger, up to the limits of the Supercharger.
The overriding advantage?
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You roll up.
Plug in
It works..
@@Garrison169 The vehicle charging speed is a factor but changer can also set the maximum current and voltage.
@@robinholmes785 As I said, the charger has a maximum capacity. It may vary depending on its available source.
Maximum charge rate? Anything different?
Max charge rate is same as normal.
NOPE , Limited to 150 kw or LESS.
Will the older Tesla chargers ever be available?
No
No due to technical reasons, though V2 units seem to bebeing upgraded with V3 or even V4 units.
ONLY L2 240v Destination chargers.
@@markplott4820not true!
So what is the surcharge above tesla cost of charging. There is another party involved.. cannot tell me this is a 'fee free' exchange.
I just recently read that there is a surcharge of some 20-30%, but even then it is still cheaper than some of the other chargers.
There is no surcharge. Tesla had to agree to allow his charge network to go public by 2024 as he took many many dollars in state and federal funding to get his network where it is. It was an exchange of money for an agreement.
@@djemcee
Are you absolutely certain about that?
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The Tesla app is $12:99 per month and provides the same price as a Tesla user.
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That wouldn't make sense if the price was the same.
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Anyway, do you think the "federal funding" (which was available to *all* providers who *Still* charge more) would compensate for the cost of installing the extra units necessary to keep the Tesla experience the same?
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You're saying "give something (which nobody else provides) for nothing".
That's not the way it works
There's a monthly subscription charge for non Tesla users if they want to get the same price, otherwise the cost is higher (but still lower than many of the competitors).
@@StormyDog
Correct
Great for Ford. But why not mention that Tesla gets a 30 percent plus on the electricity?
Good business, eh?
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Pays for the *Huge investment* (and they WILL reinvest the money)
Anyone that thinks Tesla is doing this out of the goodness of their heart? They want like 71 cents a KWHr going to cost 100 bucks to fill that f150. Probably more expensive than gas..
Sandy forgot to test the most important thing, the speed.
150 kw
Plug-charge-unplug-pay automagically. Seems like Ford finally (implicitely) admits that the 'Tesla way' of doing things is the best.
Same with NACS and 48V.
Although I still believe that Tesla chargers are lacking covering from precipitation and sun, and basic gas station amenities. Relying on other amenities means a longer walk, especially in unforgiving weather with no covering. Sometimes a supercharger location has no amenities.
@@battery_wattage
But rule#1 to this point was *install the chargers*
Can't wait to get one for Hyundai!
2030.
Just park properly and don’t block other superchargers
It's a good then when Sandy is stoked on the industry moving forward
All this should have been done before the launch of these EV's. Bad charging experiences for Ford was a deal breaker
The offer was on the table 10 years ago
TESLA offered NACS Supercharging in 2012 , open to ALL OEMs , no Takers.
The one question I wish Sandy would have asked the Ford guy: When Ford starts making their EVs with the NACS charge port, will they put that port in the same location that Tesla puts their charge port? (so that Ford vehicles don't have to take up TWO spots at Tesla charging stations)
they will in 2030.
I think it must be a little humbling for a Ford owner to pull up to a row of Superchargers with "Tesla" displayed on them.
Well.... If Ford were smart...
I have a suggestion.
Go to the Government and Tesla.
Say
"We would like to build "Tesla inside" Superchargers.
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We would like to Brand them as "Ford".
We would install them using the Tesla "rapid" method (at similar cost)
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We would like to receive Federal grants for doing so.
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We would like to receive charge revenue.
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At this point Tesla is like "Errrr.... What's in it for Us?"
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"Ok", Ford says...
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"It would be great if Tesla could install Megapack backup..."
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They would use these to:
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Trade energy (Autobidder.... $$$$$)
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Supply us (Ford) charge energy (at a rate which allows us to keep prices low)
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Back up the local Grid (saving Utilities money firing up peakers and improving reliability)
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And they Advance The Master Plan.
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The Government gets:
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A faster Network rollout.
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A more reliable (cheaper?) Power Grid.
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The possibility to save "bailing out" Ford(?)
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The consumer gets "all of the above"
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Better, cheaper, more available charging,
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More reliable energy,
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Less chance of the taxpayer directly bailing out *another* car company(?)
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Oh... FORD also gets advertising/ association with a working, self branded charger network (which Tesla can also use!!)
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Tesla drivers get network relief.
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Tell me it won't work?
I don't think it's a big deal. I like Tesla but they don't offer a basic pickup truck. The CT is cool, but impractical and too expensive not only to buy, but to insure. My thought is that it's a running concept car that Tesla is selling to wealthy first adopters to test out it's new tech before rolling it out to mass production vehicles. I think if Tesla came out with a more mainstream looking truck with mainstream Tesla performance and features at a competitive price, they'd kill their competitors.
@mikelemoine4267 only time will tell in the next few years. Elon did say at one point that if the Cybertruck flops, they'd probably design a more conventionally designed pickup. To early to say now while it's still riding the novel hype train.
Humbling? Perhaps. A great relief that it doesn't say Electrify America? Definitely.
@@jamesengland7461You are right on the EA part tho
One and Done. win win for Tesla & Ford.
3d printing… surprised its not mass market already.