Lionel Postwar Diesels: Features, Road Names, And Production Years
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- Episode 109: Lionel Postwar Diesel Roundup
Which diesel locomotive models did Lionel produce during the Postwar Years (1945-1969)? What features did they offer? Which can run on O27 track? How did they compare to the prototype (real) locomotives?
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
00:35 1948 - The EMD F3
05:35 1949 - The EMD NW2
09:53 1950 - The ALCO FA
15:29 1954 - The Fairbanks-Morse H-24-66 Trainmaster
18:28 1955 - The EMD GP7
20:55 1956 - The EMD/Budd RDC
23:05 1956 - The GE 44-Ton Switcher
26:10 1958 - The EMD GP9
28:08 The MPC/Modern Legacy
28:50 Williams Reproductions
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I am fortunate to have a 2344 NYC A-B-A, a 6220 that still rings the bell, and a magnificent 2321. The Trainmaster has pulled nearly 100 cars, mixed vintage and mpc. I could have added more but the mpc couplers kept popping open. I received the 2321 for Christmas, 1956.
Very nice!
This is a great video with tons of information. Thanks for taking the time to research and present the history of Lionel diesels. TJ
My pleasure. Thanks you watching!
Thanks for the deep dive. I'm a diese guy & love learning about the history & major variations of these classic models. I'm new to the post war Lionel scene and have fallen in love with the FA. Besides its looks, I'm impressed with how many road names it came in.
Thanks for watching!
Excellent tutorial! You really have to know your trains when purchasing Alco FA 2's. So many of the original drivetrains are swapped out. Williams/ Bachman & MTH have finally made a scale like 44 tonners. I had a good laugh where you show the Santa Fe and New York Central EMD F3's. I had forgotten about Lionel mistakenly using black for silver paint on the Warbonnet in the catalog.
My understanding of the '48 catalog is the printer was not able to properly replicate the Santa Fe silver and thus - BLACK!
@@ToyTrainTipsAndTricks It was an artist error or a printing error as the printers had no problem with the silver 2055 tank cars pulled in the consist. I'm sure when Lionel saw the error someone screamed the S word because it was too late the fix it before they had to ship them out to dealers. This was a fun search to locate my old 1948 Lionel catalog and go to page 22.
Great postwar information. Iam born 1971.Iam MPC Era. Thanks for sharing. 👌♐
Thanks for watching!!!
Born in '70 here and so MPC is the backbone of my roster.
Hi Mike -
Hope you're enjoying the summer! Really appreciate the time you put into these long form videos.
I've wanted to add a 2343 F3 ABA to my layout for some time but there are still a few 0-27 curves and turnouts left on it. Well, there is an 0-42 loop, so what the heck, time to give it a try. Found a good deal for an ABA set on eBay, and gave it a try. No problem on the 0-42 loop, and to my relief, no problem on the 0-27s curves and they even handle the turnouts with a little throttle control.
A lot of the stuff on your What's New in O Gauge series also recommends a min radius of 0-31. That kinda makes me think, is that's just a way to get people off of 0-27, either by limiting the truck rotation or just saying it for the heck of it? The only problem I've ever had (so far) was with an MPC era 0-27 U36B, that actually needed a slight modification to the truck limiter to handle 0-27 - go figure.
I'd really like to hear your thoughts on this, THANKS!!!
I'm happy to hear the F3s work for you. Interesting that you had an issue with a U36B - I run them on O27 all the time! The main thing that keeps many new cars from navigating O27 is the length, which causes problems on turnouts. For example, most menards cars will handle O27 and are marked as such. On the other hand, my Menards auto carrier BARELY clears my K-Line O42 switch machines!
Mike - The guy I bought the U36B from swore that it ran on his 027 shop layout. The truck limiter guide didn't have enough travel to handle the tight turns, but a little Dremel work grinding down (narrowing) the shoulder fixed the problem. It's now one of my most reliable engines.
I know what you mean about the car length, I can see the high K-line turnouts and Lionel turnouts being a problem with longer cars.
BTW - I LOVE the 2343s! but since they are true(r) to scale, they're HUGE LOL!!!
Thanks again for all the videos. I've learned a lot!
Tony
@@anthonycamera7327 Interesting. I have 3 U36's and the only trouble I've ever had was my Spirit of 76 used to derail if there were 3 consecutive O27 curves. I discovered that the spring clip on the truck was a little too tight, and it has not been a problem since.
Thank you, very interesting
Thanks for watching!
Great video as always. I do have several Williams diesels in my collection, and I am very happy with them. I have heard that it is hard to get parts for them now.
Yes. IMHO Bachmann took a great train line and completely destroyed it! :-(
Very interesting.You covered this topic nicely.
Thank you thank you thank you, This is great information to have; pretty much MPC and up 2000 (solely conventional). Interested in starting a collection of PW steam and Diesel. Now I will know what I am looking at and what to look for at the train shows.
I am also conventional-only.
Excellent over view of Lionel's post war diesels!
Answered my questions.
Yes FM Train masters my favorite lionel diesel !
Glad that one is preserved at the Canadian railway museum !
Classy locomotives
Excellent video, very informative. My 2343s operate on o27.
Will they handle O27 turnouts as well? Many have told me they will not, but if they do it makes me happy as I might someday purchase one for my layout!
@@ToyTrainTipsAndTricks probably not the switches, sorry, I forgot about them, but the curves are okay.
@@joeystrains.9316 Good to know!!
This was awesome
Thanks!
I think there's only one baby trainmaster that's going to be operational and it's also the last FM locomotive built
Missed seeing pictures of units being discussed.
Thanks for this informative video. A nuance worth pointing out is that you separated the "0" gauge F3's according to vertical vs. horizontal motors. You also separated all "027" F3's together. However, the 2245 Texas Special (which is "027") had two different motor variations. The earliest versions had a single horizontal motor and later variations had a vertical motor.
Thanks for the clarification. None of my sources mentioned that.
@@ToyTrainTipsAndTricks 1955 was an important change to their F3's when Lionel started producing vertical motor F3's (2367 Wasbash, 2363 Illinois Central, 2243 SantaFe). The 2245 Texas Special was the only F3 that appeared in sets in both 1954 and 1955 so it makes sense that during this transition period it would appear in both motor arrangements.
Just acquired a 2333 from a local collector, excellent runner. Can you also do a similar video for electric locomotives?
EDIT: After expementing, the first group of F3's (duel horizontally mounted motors) can in fact run on O27 track. It may not be ideal, but it is possible.
It was such a shame that Lionel use plastic for the cabs if they use metal for the whole locomotive it would work a whole lot better traction wise. I also have some old ones where the plastic has warped.
Interestingly, Rock Island had rostered nearly every single one of these over the years even including the RDC's used in passenger service in Oklahoma! Unfortunately, very few R.I. locos were ever offered for sale ...
Yes, it seems that Rock Island had at least one of everything!
@@ToyTrainTipsAndTricks IIRC, The F-3 is the only one they didn't have... they had FT's and F-2's, but skipped to the F-7...
@@timnewman1172 And don't forget the TA and the classic AB6!
@@ToyTrainTipsAndTricks Definitely!
I have two switches very good working order. Both are Chesapeake and Ohio blue and both came with the yellow antenna on the nose of the engine
Nice!
A friend of mine owns an FA-2 Several of these still exist.
That's good to know!
SP&S or Western Maryland?
@@ToyTrainTipsAndTricks I'll have to ask him. L&N, maybe. (Ex. LIRR Power Packs, Cab and HEP)
@@johnblair8146 According to TheDieselShop, the only surviving former-L&N FAs (that are still FAs and not 'power units", slugs, etc) are #314 (Illinois Railway Museum) and "Lehigh Valley #596" (Antracite RR Historical Society). www.thedieselshop.us/AlcoCC-Survivors.HTML
OK, you have shown a lot of models.
I distinctly remember a family friend who a an A - B - A - F unit set painted in Delaware and Hudson colors, (early 1950's). They could have been either EMD or Alco, but they were D&H and Lionel. Were they some special run? I know our family friend said they were very rare.
Another neighbor had an A - B - A Santa Fe war bonnet set. I kind of remember they were both similar, except for PAINT. I'll admit that I was only 7 or 8 years old then, so my mind may be tricking me. ;-)
Lionel made no locomotives decorated for the Delaware and Hudson during the Postwar (1945-1969) period. The closest would be Boston and Maine blue Alco FAs.
@@ToyTrainTipsAndTricks As I said, I was 7 or 8 years old at the time and could have seen a B & M set and later thought it was D & H. Thanks for clearing that up.
I'm not a big "toy" train fan so, I don't know much.
Hi again, I did a little research. Lionel made an Alco D & H f -a unit # 6-8252, when was that made? I found a unit for sale on the internet. Also is it possible that what I remember could have been made by someone else, like K-Line?
I looked up B & M colors and what I saw, as a kid was definitely D & H. On an outside chance, the units could have been Santa Fe "blue" bonnet units, remember I know very little about this stuff. Additionally our family friend was insistent about his units as very rare, I'm a big rail fan not toy trains.
@@robertweldon7909 The 6-8252 Delaware & Hudson was cataloged in 1972.
I have a 2243, I wish it was an earlier one for the dual motors but I'm surprised the cars that came with it are O-27, I wish I knew what I had before I got rid of the B unjt
Lionel's postwar GP diesels, whether they have a dynamic brake hatch* or not are GP7s Look at the louvers on the doors to spot a 9 from a 7. *EMD called their dynamic brake housings HATCHES, not blisters on GPs and switchers (Lionel 614).
" whether they have a dynamic brake hatch* or not are GP7s Look at the louvers on the doors to spot a 9 from a 7" The video says that.
My understanding, supported by the current NRE web page, is the dynamic brake "hatch" is the complete housing assembly, including grids, fans, etc, whereas a "blister" is a descriptive term for the bulge in many EMD locomotive carbodies caused by the DB hatch assembly. Thus, SD70MACs have DB hatches, but not blisters, but blisters provide visual identification of the presence and location of DB hatches on GP7s through GP60s. nre.com/parts/brake-hatch-systems/
You forgot the gg1!
The GG1 is an electric like the E44, EP5, and #520.
What is the minimum curve for the f3
My experience is that F3's will run on O27 and up except for the 1952 version of the 1122 turnout. However, some have told me that the earliest F3s (2333, 2343, 2344) will not handle O27 curves. All others will.
@@ToyTrainTipsAndTricksI just tried this out with my 2333 Santa Fe, it will run on O27, at least no more than a 90° continuous curve.
i would suggest a bit more experience with these before doing a vid. Run some trains first!
I've been running Lionel trains for 40+ years.
@@ToyTrainTipsAndTricks wouldn't know it.