Teddy Atlas on Floyd Mayweather Wanting to Train Fighters - "He Can Be Great, But Not a Guarantee"
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- Pulled from our recent Q&A with Teddy Atlas, Teddy shares his thoughts on Floyd Mayweather Jr expressing an interest in training fighters after reflecting on the death of his uncle, Roger Mayweather. Full Q&A episode here: • Q&A with Teddy Atlas "...
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If I was a young boxer I’d be happy to have Floyd train me. Who wants to let down the champ? While he may not be cut out for it, I believe he’ has plenty of smarts and experience to be good at it if he wants to.
I loved Foreman's commentary. A lot of his stuff requires the context of getting in the ring but I always learn something when he talks!
Tony Atlas has to be one of the wisest trainers ever. He starts off humbly, thinking about the person before the fighter. He has his own way of explaining things and it's a completely unorthodox way, but true champions don't see the world in an orthodox manner.
Floyd broke down how he beat every fighter if you ask. Teddy made this to long it's a simple question
Da Pitt yeah, always getting super philosophical
@@capoislamort100 he a beast you dont start boxing at 2 and not pic up nothing
@Tixe 100 you can listen to teddy all you want. But he not the authority on who can or cant be a great trainer.
Love this channel. Great boxing talk
💯 agree, potential is there in abundance but there's no guarantee
It’s a common trend that most great fighters are pretty subpar when it comes to training. The great trainers end up being those subpar, not so talented boxers. Reason being is those subpar fighters tend to look at fundamentals and boxing ability with a higher degree because they don’t rely on their talents as much as the more talented ones did.
Spot on!
Let's test that out: Roy Jones Jr...becoming a great trainer, Roger Mayweather the same, Ricky Hatton great trainer, Buddy McGirt great trainer, Mark Breland great trainer....I can't agree with Teddy....a lot of fighters don't want to train other fighters. Duran promotes as does Mosley & Oscar, Cotto but most boxers who teach do a great job, Chris Eubank Snr great trainer, the list goes on & on........
WattUNeed Roy might end up decent, but I doubt he’s gonna teach anyone the basics the right way. As legendary as he is, he was a pure talent-type boxer, relying on so much power, speed and reflexes, so he really didn’t need to pay attention to the basics as much like the Emmanuel Stewards of the world.
to be a great trainer u got to let your ego go. lot of best players and fighters have biggest egos because they were best also their lean to their physical gifts. usually best trainers are not best players and fighters but sportsman's that had to overlap their physical or technical barriers . when a great player,fighter decides to train someone he first need to let his ego go cause it is not about him it is about a fighter who he is training. also u have to be prepared mentally dealing with all kind of characters and usually worst are people that have most talent and gifts because of their big ego witch is necessary to succeed . not so good player,fighter don't have that problem because his ego wasnt so big in a first place. also there is that factor of eloquence and gift of transferring knowledge witch is talent by it self some people have it some don't it is complete different ball game. floyd might have a talent to be a good trainer his family is full of good trainers so there is good chance he has that knowledge but question does he have will to spend wasting his energy and time with young boxers. time will tell. he have good predisposition being technical and smart boxer but his ego might be a problem and just will to do it . we all know he like like being in gym but if u want to learn someone something those gym wars aint the smartest thing u want to put young talent trough.
@@thegreatest2245 i think Roy Jons is pretty solid trainer because he is smart,eloquent ,positive ,experienced and pretty good individual to be with in general . im not claiming he will be top trainer but there are plenty of things he could teach young guns for sure and that is pretty good for start.
True...beiing a good student does not guarantee that you'll be a good teacher...
exactly, just to let people know not to have too high of an expectation just because floyd stayed undefeated doesn't mean he can do the same as a coach/trainer.
Powerful explanation by Teddy
I agree with you , if you don’t do you can’t do it ...it’s a skill as is life...
Will he be as good as Roger? That’s the question
Doesnt really matter. If he doesnt find a fighter as good as himself, people will think Roger is better lol. Gotta have the right mix
The whole family of Mayweathers can speak and explain and motivate. Floyd will be the best trainer in the world one day.
@@murdock6450 You've got that part correct "one day"
Depends if he finds a fighter that has it. All these boxing greats were way ahead of their peers early on
@@garrygarcia5008 true!
Love Teddy! Met him at Foxwoods years ago! He doesn't pull no punches! He's real! Tells it like it is! From the heart! Teddy you still in contact with Big George Mitchell? Cutman! Retired Lt. NYPD! Friend of mine. He still hits the bag at 76!
It's hard for a hyper talented athlete to accept that some people just can't do what they did... so they don't always make the best trainers/coaches etc... they don't understand the limitations of your average pro athlete...
Floyd is talented but wouldn't say "hyper talented." He's hyper skilled, he learned to do a lot of what he does, and has insane work ethic. It's why he lasted as long as he has. He didn't out-talent his opponents, he outworked them. Look at RJJ, that's hyper talented, and look what happened when age robbed him of his talent.
@@Jukeboxster Fair enough... I see work ethic as a talent because most fighters don't have it in them to be total gym rats and in fact several ruin potentially promising careers because they don't have that work ethic.. either way I don't think it's fair to see Floyd as a 'regular pro' which was the dichotomy I set up in my comment.
Teddy I gettit Atlas
Mayweather has been so self obsessed, so solely focused on himself for so long, I have a hard time seeing him possessing the empathy required to be a great teacher. Like teddy said via cus, mayweather has an immense knowledge of the fundamentals AND the intangibles, I just don’t think he has the tools to impart that information in a meaningful and effective way.
danzig mcnaniel well said I totally agree 👍
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I also think preparing for life after boxing would of helped. So now he’s possibly seeking another avenue apart from boxing. Training makes sense now but may not work considering the lack of experience but only time will tell. I could be wrong
danzig mcnaniel STFU. He is going to be great. The intense ‘self-focus’ is just to feed the MMT persona for the cameras. He has taken care of the most people of any boxer since Ali and all that happens with no fanfare. The Mayweather gym is home to many young boxers who can’t afford to be there. The fact that Teddy thinks Mayweather was merely athletic is reason why trainers never broke the Mayweather code. Mayweather worked a system. It was not instinctual. He relied completely on his corner and against he went his own way and nearly lost.
He knows that Floyd is not merely athletic but Floyd is one of those people who naturally get this stuff. He is a genius at it. And sometimes people who are geniuses have a difficult time explaining and breaking things down for novices and laymen.
Of course he will be a excellent trainer, what his uncle taught him he can pass it on to the next generation, I don't think floyd Mayweather will have any problems transferring his craft..
@Fina Fina just like everyone's not guaranteed to be a great fighter, everyone's not guaranteed to be a great coach/trainer/teacher. different approach to the exact same sport...
He had problems with broner..
Very rare for great fighters to become great trainers
@Jenny Long Broner had problems with Broner lol, not his trainers...
Jeff Boxing Why? What is mysterious about training someone if you know the art?
Of course he would be a great trainer the first thing is he knows what it takes people need to use commons sense
alonzo alston mm idk being a good coach is a separate bunch of skillsets in itself.
Roy Jones Jr And Lennox Lewis both Great boxers and Analysts and would make great trainers if they chose 💯
Spot on teddy.i always said you can be great but can you transfer that greatness to another fighter and teach them those traits
It also depends on the student too
You are absolutely right, I think that's not mentioned much, however, the great trainer knows when the student is ready.
There are different levels of trainers, some are mediocre, some are good, and much fewer are great, based on my observations what differentiates great trainers from your average trainer is their ability to understand human nature and have a philosophy. The rare and great trainers have an insatiable passion and love for the sport, they have the passion and ability to motivate and inspire a young immature person (human being) to believe; that is where it starts, then have the patience, knowledge and wisdom to communicate ideas and practices to get someone to perform on a high level is not easy and requires a different skill sets then a the skill sets of a fighter. My Personal view is that he has the possibilities to be a great trainer because of his strong belief system, the challenge is can he communicate his knowledge and experience to someone else and get them to believe and I assume we are talking about developing champions, and we're also assuming that he wants to a be trainer, I would say that the odds are not in his favor, but he has been able to beat the odds so far, so based on that I think he can be a great trainer.
Magic Johnson was one of the greatest in the NBA but failed as a coach. Doc Rivers was a great player in the NBA and he's doing a good job.
Aly Julmim Doc Rivers was not a great player
Magic was not a coach
Lamar Putney he was he just wasn’t a good one so he resigned just like he did with the GM job
I think Floyd has the ability . When you watch how he tried to orchestrate press conferences of TMT fights .. post retirement .. he shows a good insight into directing people
Floyd is one of the boxers with the most ring IQ of all time, he definitely can be a great trainer
He has a perfect defense, great reflexes, speed, punch combinations... his only "problem" is his power (brittle hands), but he was still capable to win EVERY fucking fight with brittle hands
Just imagine if he can teach his skills to a young fighter with great power (strong hands)
Facts Teddy Atlas
James toney would be a great trainer
Floyd can be a great trainer one of the best…because of his mindset and his genuine love for teaching…and it runs in his family…having two different trainers…his career father and of course his uncle so yeah can but it’s not him in the ring where he can control it
Its not all about Floyd .. but about who he trains . You can't make another person be driven or have the innate desire to go beyond .. it's like charisma .. you either have it or you don't
I think he loves the sport of boxing too much to completely walk away. But I wonder how good of a teacher he can become, a lot of great athletes fails at coaching.
It will be hard. He was so gifted that it will be interesting to see how much he can actually teach his student. Will he have another Floyd, it is very unlikely. To reproduce his success as a trainer, he's gonna need a fighter who's equal to the task and that kid may not be born yet. And how do you even teach the intangibles?
Teddy I seen a interview with Michael Moorer. He still has his wits and smarts. Very educated former fighter. Only thing is... He looks older than You! Lol! Got a meet and greet photo op. with him down in NAW'LINS! at a Les Bonano card back in the early 2000's.
I LOVE THIS! The Mayweather Crew told the boxing sanctions to f off! But, wait, ur not part of the "system"! I love it
I absolutely love Tony Atlas and this podcast, because I have always been an athletic person, but I didn't have the genetics. I could win because my opponents underestimated my stature. I played ball in the streets and fought in the streets and won and have nearly killed men twice my size. Tony is my hero because I understand every word he's saying. I get it.
Tony atlas is a body builder lol a typo I'm sure
Tony atlas was athletic and good genetics that's how him and Rocky Johnson became tag team champions.
I wonder if Floyd will train individual boxers in a style that suits them best, or try to make everyone learn his style of boxing. A great coach will create a system around each individual, not make an individual conform to one system.
Is Teddy throwing low-key shots at Paulie, being an analyst? Or Ricky, being a trainer?
ChrisHett99 Roy Jones jr
@@jaimeguzman3890 ahh, gotcha...thx
Teddy right
You me a "great" trainer would be th he lbs that can take a broke diem 57 Chevy and turn it into a Porsche. With perfect material, the trainer is never challenged to dig down and find *their* better gifts as a coach. The one thing that never occurred to me is how much of a team sport boxing is. I think that's the scariest part about it.
Teddy explains why in my opinion Paulie Malignaggi is a good commentator and analyst. He had to work hard with a limited tool set to win a couple of world titles and therefore had to learn as he went along. Of course Mayweather wasn't born a boxing genius and had to learn but in my opinion he is the closest thing to a boxing savant. I wish him the best as a trainer but i don't think he will have the ability or patience to bring a fighter up from scratch to champion.
I still dont understand what ted did to be considered a trainer to be asked his opinion about all these great boxers.
Hes been around a long time but never did anything great consistantly over the years.
Mayweather will be a excellent trainer. Not only did his farther train fighters but his uncle trained him to be the best fighter in his era.. Mayweather wasn't just naturally talented he was also technically an amazing fighter.. He hasn't failed in anything yet I'm betting on him.. However he needs a talent as hard working and intelligent as him.. Not everyone will be physically able to do his style it's so interlectual and needs a certain amount of ability physically or everyone would fight like floyde..
Who did roger train besides Floyd?
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Many fighters Floyd Jr. faced were stronger and/or faster. Floyd is smart and tough. He conditioned his mind and body to be unbeatable. If he can teach that, he may become the best trainer ever.
Who was faster? Zab? Manny? That’s all I can think of honestly..but that is debatable still
Just say if he could be a good trainer or not.
We all know floyd is a human being and he has emotions.
Right Michael Jordan was the.GOAT and he tried to teach his kid to be a great one like him. But it's really hard. You can have the best knowledge in the game but that doesn't mean. You can transfer the perfect knowledge to somebody. . At the end of the day they still the one who carry themselves. We are just a teacher an adviser
You can't teach hunger to someone who never really been hungry or had to fight out of necessity
Floyd knows what he is doing. He knows the fundamentals. He understands gameplans, nothing he does as he himself said is not calculated. Floyd has already helped several athletes become successful. Jeff Mayweather said he would be a great trainer if he has the time for that.
Floyd is not JUST an instinctual fighter. He really understands boxing. To say he is instinctual is to debase his intellect. He is very intelligent in there and he understands what it takes preparation wise and in the action ring wise to win. He shot advise to Tank ringside that his coach agreed with that helped him win fights because he knows what it takes to win and what the fighter needs to hear to push them to win a fight.
Is it guaranteed? More than anyone thinks.
Yes, I agree with you to a point, the skills set to be a promoter is very different from those of being a trainer and the skills to be fighter are different then being a trainer.
@@kennethjefferson9848 But Floyd has proven more than once that he can be a great trainer. He has trained Tank for a brief period of time, Justin Bieber as well as Justin Bieber.
Mayweather comes froma family of trainers.....he can't help but be good at it.
Like I said before it may not be a certainty but it is damn near close.
@@WattUNeed First, as I have said in my initial post, Floyd Mayweather Jr. has the potential and possibilities to be great, that is not the same as being great. Second, he has not amassed a body of work as a trainer that would say he is great. If I told you that I spent some time with Tank and Justin Bierber advising them would you say I'm a great trainer and one of them never became a boxer more less a champion. It's really a rhetorical question. Third, the fighter has to be blessed with the physical and mental attributes as well as he has to want it more than his trainer wants it and that is where the great trainer comes in
Finally, this is all hypothetical and we don't know for sure if this is what he really want to do.
Any event time will tell.
@@kennethjefferson9848 He actuslly trained Tank for 2 fights. He also actually trained Justin.
@@WattUNeed I think we are saying the same thing when comes to his possibilities, you evidently didn't read my earlier comments. I saw the video of him working with Tank.
The commentators hes referring to I guess is George foreman and roy jones..
No matter what your IQ is Teddy will find a way to get his wisdom into your head. Brilliant coach!
Atlas should be a politician
Been a boxer doesn't make a good trainer, and there are people that never thru a punch and make great trainers. But Floyd can be if he wants it
Like who??
@@RollinTV1 Enzo Cakzaghe, Angelo Dundee
I am just glad to hear no more talks of Floyd coming out of retirement. I hate that stuff.
He’s from a family full of boxers who became too paid trainers after their careers😂
I'VE KNOWN PEOPLE MY ENTIRE LIFE!! FOUND OUT I NEVER KNEW THEM!!
ANSWER THE QUESTION & ONLY THEN GO OFF ON YOUR TANGENTS. NO ONE HAS TIME OR PATIENCE FOR ALL OF TEDDY ATLAS’S PONTIFICATIONS. SHIT I SHUT DOWN LAST VIDEO AND THIS ONE SEEMED LIKE SNIPPET AND STILL YOU CANNOT ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT FLOYD AS A TRAINER WITHOUT FIRST HAVING TO SPECULATE AS TO THE PASSING OF HIS UNCLE ROGER AND HOW AND WHY THIS IS FLOYD’S IMPETUS OR REASON OR CATALYST TO GET INTO TRAINING (HIS NEPHEW!).
One reason why I don’t think mayweather could hold mayweather back. Ego, and maybe favoritism.
Well if his ego doesn't get in the way it can be possible." But again it can be very challenging if his star celebrity gets in the way. Sometimes u have to separate urself from the limelight. And I just DNT think he can do it. Now he could train them from the outside but I can't really see him as that. What if he is in there and his fighters are not doing what he is teaching them. I think it's a faze he is all about himself too much hedanistic.
Tomothy Bradley hasn't been a good analyst
Is this really a question, smfh WTF are we talking about. TMT and TBE, we got this, easy money.....
Who the fook is that new guy teddy ‼️‼️‼️
Sound guy who is always in the background. Comes out when Ken is unable to.🤷♀️
I think he's the shows producer
Dominick Cruz
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That’s always been my argument, maybe i heard it from Teddy at some point haha. The guys without all the god gifted talent really have to learn fundamentals and be more organized mentally than the greats who FEEL the sport more and get into that zone easier.
I think Mayweather become great trainer, if he put his ego to side. Mayweather have to make it about his fighter not him self... Stop hate on next generation Fighter pass Widsom next young fighter, if Mayweather don't check his ego at the door it won't work so good luck to Floyd Become A Trainer
I think he would be too hard on a fighter. Everyone doesn't have the discipline he has....
Floyd is pulling your leg. He doesn't want to train fighters. He wants to promote boxing. He wants to be the highest paid boxing promoter/ boxer. His goal is to make the most money 💰. Period. Floyd wants to fight and promote and he's willing to tarnish his legacy for a 6 figure payday. But, he realizes he's trying to out chase father time. 🥊😂😂😆
9 figure payday. 100 million or better. Win lose or draw.
Floyd mayweather will not be a great trainer. Floyd is very gifted as a boxer. Floyd has the ability to see what's coming before it has left the station. Floyd was born with a gift and through training and dedication he became the fighter that he is. Floyd was coming into the game ahead of everyone else.
I don't know if you could say Floyd was born with a gift. Floyd did train his entire life. I believe Floyd had world-class training from the time he could walk and a ridiculous work ethic and that his great talent was developed.
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Teddy Atlas is no expert in boxing or who can train s fighter better. Go sit your azz down talking about it’s not a guarantee.
What the Hell is he talking about
Communication is tougher than teaching a skill set or any other art. Ask professors and they will tell you that you need the speaking skill to be a good commentator. You may be the best boxer but a POOR speaker and barely passed English in college. So, I don’t get Teddy’s analogy.
No one will like this comment but I am gay
Ha! Gaaaaaaay
No one cares
There’s a lot of it about.
Peace enjoy
Remember when TA tried to provoke George Foreman and Big George told Atlas "go make me a sammich"?
Teddy is talking about George Foreman
XLTee... Facts. George Foreman was horrible at commentating.
I believe Floyd Mayweather Jr will be a great trainer like his uncle and pops.
The best athletes dont always make the best coaches. That goes for all sports. Look at other sports, the best coaches weren't the best at their sport. In fact most elite players sucked at coaching lmao
Basketball always comes to me when I think of that
He's talking about Lennox Lewis and Roy Jones. Why would anyone think somebody has been punched in the head for decades would be good at talking? Teddy Atlas can barely put together a coherent sentence and he barely boxed decades ago. Some can, though. Andre Ward is incredible.
Nik B Roy Jones is actually a really good commentator he sees a lotta stuff the other commentators don’t catch
Nik B sugar ray is ass as a commentator he just repeats the same 3 things the whole fight
@@AC-jh6ti he sees a lot, he's just not great at talking. His brain is not what it once was.
Maybe mayweather can teach how to run and hold. He was good at that
He wasn't big on holding.
What fights did he do that in?
Someone that doesn't know shit about boxing.
Idiot