How I got my Hilux to flex and clear bigger tyres! - SOLID AXLE HILUX BUILD - Suspension
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- čas přidán 3. 04. 2024
- An answer to the big common question 'how do i get my leaf springs to flex more?'
This is a detailed rundown of what can be done to achieve a massive improvement over a standard setup, plus give the ability to clear larger tyres.
Just remember to check whats legal in your state before modifying your vehicle. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Awesome to see you're still playing around with the older hiluxs and getting out there.
I got a feeling I’ll be forever playing with these older Utes
AMAZING video mate! This taught me SOOOO much about leaf springs. AWESOME, AWESOME video!
Cheers man!! Really glad it helped!
Love these style videos so informative and learn so much from them gives us the confidence to go ahead and have a crack at modifying our own rigs. Cheers!!
Thanks Luke! It’s always rewarding making a 4wd ‘yours’ by building it up your way 🤘🏻
Dream hilux man...Nothing beats these older hiluxs. Your videos are very informative and of top quality mate. Should call you Dr. Hilux from now on..great vid
Thanks mate! They are such a good base for a capable, cheap and enjoyable 4wd to build up. I’m slowly getting a groove for editing and have a lot of ideas to try 🤘🏻
Awesome time in the desert! Glad to see your back
Dude!!! Thanks so much for this video! After having my ln106 for a little.over a year, im ready to work on the suspension and you totally gave me the confidence boost i needed to tackle it 💪🏽 👏🏾 👍🏽 🙌🏽
Stoked to hear it man!! I hope you get the results yours chasing 🤘🏻
Love this, about to fix up dads old Hilux surf and will need many more tips like these. Cheers!!
Wicked man! They are a great simple 4wd to build up and even more fun offroad 🤘🏻
This is absolute gold. Mate you are an LN106 guru 🙏
Love this. Will be attempting this to my old suss bus
Cheers man!! Hope all goes well 🤘🏻
Will make a big difference
Gday, that made a big difference overall and not to hard to do at home, top job mate, cheers
Thanks Mate! It’s a completely different Ute to drive now, well worth a bit of mucking around
Awesome video man,this helps out a lot easier to understand now
Glad to hear man! Appreciate it 🤘🏻
Been waiting for this one 👌🤙
Really enjoying this series dude! Just came across it 🤙🏻🤙🏻🤙🏻
Cheers man! Been fun wheeling something less capable
Bloody awesome video mate, well done!
Cheers mate! Appreciate it 🤘🏻
Thank you so much for making this video! I just bought a rn105 a few weeks ago, and was looking for a step by step video on how to do this!
Great timing!! Hope it helps 🤘🏻
@@HaydnKamp question for ya, from looking through the Facebook page, seems like the guy that made the shackles and driveshaft doesn't do them anymore. Do you know of anyone that does them?
Hayden’s got the best hilux vids out
Cheers man! Keen to keep making more 🤘🏻
Awesome, love your work mate
Thanks Riley!
Very good to see a budget build done on shed floor
Nothing fancy around here, although my back wants a hoist 🤣
I really liked the in-depth explanation of the RUF swap. It makes me want to get around to installing all the parts I have for my 1985 4Runner. If that’s what this thing can do with all Toyota leafs and shorter shocks I can’t wait for mine which is going to have High steer, 4.88s, 12 shocks all around, a rear up front swap, Chevy 63in rear leafs and more!
Your 4 Runner will be a weapon after all that! I’d love to see it when it’s done. My Ln106 has a similar setup to what you’re doing and it’s incredible offroad! And they’ve got a really simple chassis to modify too 🤘🏻
Great video man. Would love to see you do a highsteer set up one day. This video is a lot easier to understand than reading 100 conflicting comments in the FB group hahah. Keep the vids coming
Thanks Ryze! Yeah there’s a lot of info out there and many ways to do it but this seems to work 😅
Great video Haydn. Ln106 was my first 4by. Did the same suspension mods nearly 20 years ago and the front drive shaft slipped out regularly. Now I want another Luxy!
Thanks Adam! My first car was a blown up ln106 that we rebuilt. Might be why I’m slightly obsessed with them still 😅
Such a simple Ute with a lot of offroad potential
Yeah that would be interesting on a decent hill loosing front drive 😅
@HaydnKamp oh the memories. Keep up the good work mate
You have done an amazing job on that luxy. Keep it up
Cheers man!! I’ve got a lot more planned for it 🤘🏻
Nice, I am looking forward to seeing what you can turn this hilux into to
Geezzzz that Kyle bloke is handsome the humor he brings is very appealing love your content!
He’s good value ain’t he, bit rough on the gear but 🤣
Awesome episode my dude 🙌
Cheers man! Been hanging to dig into modifying this thing 🤘🏻
Great video mate
You done well ..
I’ve got a old LN scrubbing 305x75 16 s on the front guards 🙄
So il be looking at doing this for sure 👍
Thanks mate! This will sort that issue out for ya 🤘🏻
You are a true engineer
*a bloke who likes to mess with engineers work 😅
Awesome video, love your channel
Cheers Josh 🤘🏻 more to come
Is it best to use springs in this configuration which are standard height or are 2 inch ‘lift’ springs ok to use for this as well?
This is an amazing video great info
Thanks mate! Hope it made a bit of sense
Like the cheap simple mods using a bag of mixed oem parts.
That’s the roots of hot rodding too.
If it works it works hey!
Nice video and very useful channel
Cheers man! Appreciate it
Awsome conversion, explained perfectly for a cheap simple swap, I think the extra positive caster might be a good thing for highway cruising but I see the droop down on the front pinion is very detrimental to the uni joint unless CV's could be adapted.
I’ve seen some incredibly scary angles on lower uni joints and somehow they’ve held up. Caster wedges or front drop hanger will help. Also running leaf retainers help keep the axle from doing wild things at full droop.
@@HaydnKamp I have an LS1 with a front sump to clear the diff and am using the 80 series bump stop keeping the steering rod from hitting the sump, the sump also prevents a high steer conversion, I am looking at using a 2008-2012 DMax rear spring up front as it has a center bolt closer to the Hilux front spring so it doesn't move the diff too far forward because I only have 60mm of clearence before I hear smashing pumpins in my sump.
@@HaydnKamp I note you said that if you remove the torque rod it is dangerous, what in the high steer geometry stops the bad behaviour under braking?
I just found this channel, for me personally i found ive been slowly un subscribing from the larger channels when they get sponsors on bored...yeah its nice to see what could be done with shit load of cash and lets face it reality joe blow doesn't have cash to flash....the larger channels never look back once there mainstream you never see budget builds again, they say its budget builds while there slapping on sponsored free parts yep budget for them not so much for us....Now this is what i can relate to because its real its what most people can afford and possibly have the skills to do on there own adter watching something like this....well done mate i actually learnt something and feel i could do something like this....
Buying this Ute was a stretch as it was and I don’t have deep pockets to throw a lot of coin at it. It’s been good showing that you don’t need all the flashiest gear to enjoy 4wding, to be honest I’ve had bigger laughs in this super basic Ute then my LN106 that I’ve spent more time modifying then what’s considered healthy 🤣
Thanks for the comment by the way man 🤘🏻
What a great video! Keep it up. Ive been wanting to do this to my ute for a while now. Just wondering how long do the breaklines has to be and what degree caster wedges would you recommend? 💪💪
Good vid. Unfortunately, my LN65's a farm ute and needs all it's leaves. Will change the packs to later one's, and move the diff forward tho.
Thanks, enjoy your day.
I’ve ran a similar setup with large shackles in the rear of my n70 Hilux and it had a 500-600kg canopy on the back. Handled it really well.
Thanks Rod 🤘🏻
Excellent video mate!
How much longer did you make the brake lines ? Cheers
Great explore! Are you intersted in testing some off-road lighting stuff from Suparee?
absolute legend im constantly lookn for videos about ln106 flexy boys always great videos brother keep them coming if u have links to all the bits u brought like the shackles and drive shafts ill be keen to get some
Cheers man!! They are such good Utes. Shires fabrication doesn’t have a website, shackles and driveshaft was just ordered over their Facebook page. The steering parts you can get through superiour engineering website. Shocks I got through my local Bursons store and brake line were made by booker brakes locally.
@@HaydnKamp Rodger I'll have to suss it out for mine hopefully get my brick flexing better
Very worth the effort if done right 👌🏼
@@HaydnKamp have to get u over to wa with all ya leaf packs build another flex weapon hahah
Ive got no shortage of leaves 🤣🤣
you can make the 22r go pretty good on angles, if you look over on the marlin crawler forums there is a bunch of good info on playing with the aisin carb
I’m definitely going to have to check that out. It’s better now that it’s not so rough to ride in but it still splutters on the spicey stuff
w video boyo
Awsome video mate, some great info! Considering doing ifs rears but still running a tub and would like to keep the diff centre in the wheel wells, would drilling new holes backward in the perches be ok? What you reckon?
Cheers man! Yeah I don’t see why that wouldn’t work hey
Hi There is there anywhere online you can buy the long slip drive shafts from?
Such a good video!! I was just wondering if you used 2inch ifs rears or just standard height?
These I believe were standard however the top two leaves have been reset in the press to allow more droop without effecting ride height much
What is the banana shackles center to center on holes
Aweosme video, are the ifs leafs you used in the rear the factory leafs or are they lifted?
I’ve got a feeling they are factory however these have been reset many times
Don’t need tail shaft spacer with ifs rears ;)
Awsome vid just about to do the same to my ln106 ones i finish installing the turbo, is that rear tail shaft spacer needed or just recommended will it fall out?
I don’t believe it’ll fall out but I recommend it to retain proper spline engagement
Awesome vid Did you just use your stock leaf pack for up front
Yeah sure did man
Hey man love the vid 👌 would really appreciate a link to those exact shocks if possible 🤞 cheers
I got them from my local burson auto parts store man, if you search the part number that I showed in the video they will come up 🤘🏻
@@HaydnKamp Alright thanks Haydn , literally have built my car because of your video’s man, love your lux 🤟
@@Max_Bourke24 that’s wicked man! You’ll have to flick some piccys through on socials. I’d love to see it 🤘🏻
Hey Hayden, excellent video mate, super keen to do this. i have standard 2 inc lift shackle for front, instead of banana shackle. Would it work ?
It might possibly work, depending on length. Banana shackles are a certain shape to clear the body mount. You can only try it and if it works great if it doesn’t get a set that do 🤷🏼♂️
Hey mate, what other front shocks would you recommend if i wanted to safely do beach runs and highway driving with this setup?
Superiour do a range for the hilux that are decent for the money.
Open - Closed / Lift / Travel mm/inch
605 -370mm / 5inch / 235/9.2
565 - 350mm / 4inch /215/8.4
535- 335mm / 3inch / 200/7.8
Where abouts in sunny coast u at mate im in nambour lokking for someone to wheel with
I guess with a box shaft ive only ever seen crawlers use them. They don't go fast and it'd be a cheap fix if need be to replace the sharft it needed
Yeah and they can take a fair bit of rock carnage before they call it quits 😅
Awesome video mate.
Quick question, do 35’s usually clear the firewall with stock front springs and 35mm diff push? (Already hammered it back a fair way to try clear 33’s)
They need more then 35mm diff push to clear 35’s unfortunately.
35mm diff push should work fine for 33’s depending on suspension cycle
@@HaydnKamp hmmm, gonna run into sump clearance issues 🤪 (1uz) might have to make a rear hump sump for it🤦🏼♂️
Yeah those 1uz sumps do sit in a bad spot for the ln’s 😅
Awesome build man. With the RUF conversion. Could you use the IFS rears up front or would that push the front diff too far forward?
You can fit ifs rears up front but you need to push the front leaf hangers forward heaps typically using a 2inch dropped crossmember and then use different shackles.
Ahh ok man. Thanks for that@@HaydnKamp
2ndly you mentioned "high steer" @ 25:55 I am guessing that is where the tie rod assembly is above the leaf pack as apposed to them being bellow the leaf pack as they are in my 1981 Hilux. So I want to do this conversion so it is better protected & I can delete the adjustable torque rod.
I searched far & wide online & have seen some intensive modifications & fortifications to the chassis, relocation of the steering box, even upgrading the steering box, to achieve having the tie rod assembly above the leafs.
I lack confidence in knowledge in the area of suspension, may be I am stuck because maybe to me it looks more complicated than it is. Also my research skills are not the best, probably causing me to look in all the wrong places.
I have seen some methods that seem to conflict & some aspects that seem to be unnecessary to the conversion. I am wondering if I do the "IFS rears in the front" conversion, that doing the high steer conversion should be all bolt on upgrading the necessary bits from a LN106?
Do you know of a resource or tutorial I can watch or read that will walk me through how to do it or @ least give me a reliable parts list? If you have read this, thank for your time & if you want to give me your thoughts let me know if there is anything way I can return the favor.
Love the videos of yours I have watched so far & your nifty thrifty style, I did judge, but it was positive judgement, cheap flex that works is smart, it is not like you are being "American" about it & have no idea about the differences or the limitations either before or after you "Thelma & Louise-ed your rig.
If only Thelma & Louise new about the joys of cheap flex, they would still be alive today!!! :0)...
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I’m unsure of a tutorial or videos on high steer to be honest. I’ve actually never searched for one 😅. When I did the high steer on my ln106 I just found photos online and kinda wung it and it turned out pretty bang on, I just mounted the steering box as far forward as possible and cycled the steering and suspension a lot until I was happy with its position.
I used an ifs steering box, trailgear flat pitman arm, steering shaft spacer, tm fab steering box plate kit, and the high steer components where from Trailgear.
Appreciate the comments too!
@@HaydnKamp Is there a video on how to "wung' it? :0)
Yor-hill-air-i-OS
Thanks for the parts list & the brief
So where can I send you a slab to. & a slab of what do you tend to partake?
Or are you more a warm leaf browned water & lamington man?
Hey mate great video! I’m looking to do something similar but not cheating out on the shocks haha. Do you have any recommendations for something higher quality? Cheers
Superiour mono range would be a good option
Open - Closed / Lift / Travel mm/inch
605 -370mm / 5inch / 235/9.2
565 - 350mm / 4inch /215/8.4
535- 335mm / 3inch / 200/7.8
@@HaydnKamp appreciate it! Keep up the awesome content
Are you going to do a high steer (Crossover) on this one, The cost is not cheap but the benifits are huge for on/off road steering.
Definitely worth doing but my bank account says no 🤣🤣
I've always respected you as a four wheel driver. Until you called a fuzzy dashmat an unnecessary four wheel driving mod. Blasphemy.
To be honest it’s more then likely going to end up in my LN106 🤣
😂
U 8h @@HaydnKamp
. ...3rdly & Lastly on the issue of adjusting castor, rather than hit the wall with the limitations of the wedges, would shorter banana shackles bring the castor back, I don't know perhaps they don't do shorter ones & that would cause them to foul???
I did see that Buds Customs do a set & @ 135mm pin to pin I wondered if they were shorter? They are more expensive but they are greaseable & @ my age I don't get as much nipple action as I use too!
A better solution is to do what I’ve done with my ln106 and fit a dropped front crossmember that spacers the front leaf mounts down to compensate for the longer shackles and also give clearance to the pitman arm nut.
It drives very well without wedges as caster is closer to factory now.
@@HaydnKamp Yeah that does sound better in more ways than one. I have not seen that part of a LN106 up close enough to know really what you mean.
From images I have seen I know some of the structure is a little different @ the bottom of the radiator.
I think there is a brace member under the radiator that bolts to the rail ends? Is that what you mean?
Or is it a home made member,
or something off the shelf after market? What is the conversion called?
Leaf drop member?
I suspect the front leaf mounts on my RN46 are different to the LN106.
Guessing, here that you removed that bolt on factory member, if that is what I think it is (& what you meant?) .
Make up a member from scratch tying it into the rail ends with the mounts & chassis rail ends.
So I will cut the mounts off & locate them lower making sure the weld contact foot print is the same if not more than the factory position Does that sound right?
Do you recon youll do anything to the little 22r or just leave it alone
I need to get it to run better on steep angles but that’s all I’d like from it for now
Hi mate I have just taken delivery of my father‘s year 2000 Hilux SR5 twin cab. It has the original chrome wheels on it and I would like to put something on it with a bit more attitude but certainly not as beefy as yours. I am absolutely clueless when it comes to rim sizes and tyres but I do like those basic black steel rims that you have could you please advise rim type, tire size etc For me . Truck is just going to be used as a town runner no serious four-wheel driving or at least if I go off-road it’ll just be dirt roads etc. So nothing extreme. I don’t need flex and all that. thank you.
Honestly I’ve never played with the ifs torsion bar hiluxs so I’m a bit grey in that area. I do know people running a 16x8 -22 offset rim with 33x12.5x16 but they have done work to allow them to clear.
Also you have to think about legality too. Stops a lot of the fun unfortunately 😅
Will this work in a LN167 (IFS) what will I need in the front ?
I haven’t had much to do with torsion bar ifs front ends sorry man
When did you get all this shires stuff? I've heard heaps of people having issues with him not delivering
Yeah I’ve heard mixed things too man, I got it a few months back
Hi Hayden, when's your next video coming out?
Unsure man, I’ve had to sell the RN so this little series is no more unfortunately
@@HaydnKamp that's a bummer.
Hey mate
Question for you
Would these rear leaf springs fit a duel cab ?
Yeah sure would Micko
Another question man
I’ve already got 2inch straight shackles in the front would they work or do I definitely need the banana shackles?
link to the shocks?
I put the part numbers in the video, I got them from a local auto parts store
he was tightening the u bolt
The bullbar looks like it is off a patrol or 80 series.
Yeah your guess would be as good as mine 🤷🏼♂️
Hey mate. How can i get in touch with you to talk about a catch up.
Cheers, Justin.
What size shackles are they?
200mm rears and banana shackles are 135mm from memory
those SFA Hilux's always have a lot of character about them
They really do, I’ve got a soft spot for them big time
I have heard alot of shit about Tony shires in recent times on the Facebook group. Is he still the go. We're else could you buy the frount drive shaft
do not buy from tony shires
I got a shaft built for my LN106 a few years back from a local gearbox and diff shop. They did an amazing job but a fair bit more expensive then Shires fabrication
@@HaydnKampok thanks for the info. is the double cardinal joint the go, or is 2 singles better.
Double cardinal works well
wish i never sold my LN
I wish I didn’t have to sell it either 😢
Are -44 a good option? Or are -22 the way to go?
You could definitely run -44’s but a better option is to ‘wide track’ convert it
Awesome thank you for the reply :)
No need to invert shocks
😈😈😈
Hi Hayden. This video is a gem & well communicated.
I was hoping you might offer some insight to my situation. I have a lot to ask, & I am not an internet slut expecting to pick your brains for nothing. So I would be happy to compensate you in some way for advice. Perhaps I could send you some dollars via paypal or direct debit.
I have a 1981 Hilux 4wd RN46, with a 253 V8 engine swap in it. I have put 33s on it & have been wanting to move the front axial forward to clear the guard
As best as I can tell, the chassis is the same & straight. But I have noticed figment issues with the high clearance gearbox cross member, I went with a Kinselas one & ended up modifying it & I got it to fit neatly.
But the weird head scratcher was when I bought new 2 inch lift leaf suspension & the rear sat down significantly.
I uses a Superoo 50mm spacer blocks kit which corrected it but I could see nothing that should of caused it to be the case.
I even went to a suspension specialist, it was them that fitted the blocks, they were stumped too. I dare say the blocks were not the best solution I am guessing & not cheap.
The only thing I could think of was maybe there was a mix up with the rear leaf's with the manufacture, but they look right & the part numbers match.
So with wanting to do the same upgrade you have, I am a bit worried about what I might be missing with the issues described above.
The chassis rail is definitely not bent vertically, horizontally or even laterally...
I guess it is probably difficult to say with out having the vehicle in front of you but if in the unlikely event you are reading this “word feast” what do you think?...
Definitely strange especially if you have the correct part number on the springs for the application, possibly a manufacturer mix up or the rear of the Ute is incredibly heavy?
Spacer blocks work but I’m definitely not a fan of them
@@HaydnKamp There is no weight on the rear. I even have the spare mounted on the head board.
The weight require to bent or flex the chassis that much asking the need of 50mm spacer blocks I think would make it noticeable, you would be able to see that stuff does not line up.
The tray sits 90 degrees neat to the cab & the chassis
I went through carefully & looked over the whole chassis, it is not nanometer perfect but I would say it would not be any more out than 30mm over the whole length.
Of course I am guessing 30mm, the only way to know with any accuracy is to put it on an engineers table naked.
I ran a straight edge along the rails, both sides are straight.
She does pull to the left in the steering a little even after an alignment. I dare say many if not all of them do.
So I dunno, it is a bit spooky.
Thanks for bringing you brain to it!
How long ago did you get the shackles from shires? He hasn't sent anything out in a little bit, but still taking peoples money.
he a scam don't buy anything from him.
Fr? I discovered him after this video and was about to hit him up for a full suspension fabrication @@Nbexz1
A few months ago man, took quite a while to see everything I ordered
…and this perfectly balanced unfinished mismatched 1 time owner hilux was just kicking about for sale ?!? With that very same bull bar ? !
Aim higher is my advice. Discovering the Lost City of Atlantis is already saved in your GoogleMaps 🤣
I’ll have a bit of whatever you’re smoking there old mate 😎