As someone who has lived in Salt Lake City my whole life, I think an NFL team would be a massive success. I had a hard time choosing a team as a kid and eventually chose the Ravens due to family ties. Football is huge in Utah and a team would do very well. Only issue is games being on Sunday and some Mormon fans wouldn’t go
The problem isn’t that LA can’t support two NFL teams, it’s that they don’t want to. The fact the Chargers are in third place in that city says everything about the move
@@philderrick9429couldn’t have said it better, even when the rams(who La considers its team) play sf at home, sofi is still completely red, La is massive but it’s obvious they don’t need 2 teams
To add a team to each division for expansion Is exactly what I thought the USFL and XFL positioned themselves for to be grafted into the NFL, which would be perfect.
The USFL and XFL (now merged under the United Football League Banner) are not meant to be part of the NFL. Instead, they act as minor leagues and extended preseasons for the NFL to develop players that have potential but aren’t quite ready for that level of play. It would be better for them to try to match the NFL in terms of the amount if teams instead and focus on affiliation with NFL teams like with what we see in Minor League Baseball, Hockey’s AHL and ECHL, and the NBA’s G-League.
Prior to the last time the NFL expanded and realigned the divisions. The Colts were in the AFC East with the Jets, Patriots, Bills, Dolphins. (It was a 5 team division back then).
That was also because of where the Colts were before they moved...and the only reason the Ravens are in the AFC North is because of the Browns rivalry...
I'd like to see the Colts in the AFC North, actually. They have history with the Steelers and Browns (since they're the three teams in the AFC that were part of the NFL before the merger) and with the city of Baltimore
I'd like to see the divisions make sense. I would LOVE a league where the California teams were in the same division. The Florida teams were in the same division. The Texas teams were in the same division. The New York teams were in the same division..... Too bad the league makes absolutely no sense. Like some toddler just picked at random. USA-USA!!
@@sampicanowhat makes sense about teams being in the same place being in the same division? How does that “make sense” it doesn’t make sense any more than it does now.
@@MrGoodeats You don't understand geography? Just say that, say "I've never looked at a map before" How else would you organize a league? Geography makes sense....put teams CLOSE TOGETHER who have RIVALRIES and are in the SAME TIME ZONE in the same divisions (anyone, even children understand that) You could make divisions according to COLOR...all the red teams in one division, all the green teams in another....but that would be BRAIN DEAD STUPID, right? That is what a child would do. Or you could make divisions the way they are now....just PURE AMERICAN STUPIDITY. You have 4 California teams? And each division is four teams???? Well split them up! America is number one in smartness! Two teams in Pennsylvania? GOOD SPLIT THEM UP!!!! AMERICA FOR BESTEST! Three teams in Florida? You know the routine, split them UP!!!!!! Gotta have a team from New York, Florida, and California in each division because you don't understand how geography and logistics work.
I’m a little disappointed you didn’t chose Toronto as an NFL expansion. I know it’ll never happen because it’ll kill the CFL, but it really does otherwise make sense. Every other pro Toronto team is massively popular with the Blue Jays and Raptors being Canada-wide teams. And Toronto itself had a huge football market with tons of current Bills fans
I news for you a lot of people In Ontario flock to Niagara Falls and Windsor to watch Buffalo and Detroit games and the same in Manitoba for the Vikings and Bc for Seattle. And maybe Quebec fot the Patriots
@@joshuamountz6891 yeah I know, I know a ton of Bills fans from the east, and also basically all of BC are Seahawks fans. That doesn’t mean that a team in Canada wouldn’t convert or create new fans. You can make the same argument for any expansion team “well residents of ‘any NA city’ are already mostly ‘closest geographic team’ fans”
Toronto Argo's are the least supported CFL team, when you trim the fat you won't kill the league. "Oh no our least attended teams attendance is shrinking!" It's a nine team league...that's not a league. And CFL popularity/product is growing stale, that league needs changes. A city of 6.2 million can support an NFL team (valued at multiple billions). An NFL team in Toronto would be instantly worth more than the combined CFL - it's honestly not a comparison. CFL should just focus on competing with the NLL (lacrosse league) and XFL, leagues in the same tier as them. Aaron rogers makes more than the entire CFL rosters combined...so you cannot compare the two.
Buffalo is a 2 hour 47 minute drive (I just googled it) from Toronto. No body 2 hours and 47 minutes to tail gate at Orchard Park. Sure Hamilton, and Niagara are closer to Buffalo. And get some fans. I'd argue there are almost as many Cowboys fans in Toronto as Bills fans. There are TONS of NFL fans, but Torontonians kinda dislike Buffalo....it's like your little brother (from a step dad).
The CFL would stop this from happening in an instant, no US Teams would be allowed to play in Canada. They have the Toronto Argonauts of the CFL. So that would dip into Their profits, will not happen, The CFL has been around since 1909 but officially 1959, still They love Their CFL Teams. It gave the CFL a bad taste in Their mouth when the Baltimore Stallions won the 1995 83rd Grey Cup over the Calgary Stampeders.
@@bkteleven But Detroit, Baltimore, Oakland, St.Louis, and New Orleans were all options despite their crime rates. Boy, I would hate to be as stupid as you.
The Jaguars and the Dolphins have no rivalry between each other. We rarely play each other, and I generally go for the Dolphins when they're not playing the Jags, because they and Tampa Bay are also from Florida. The next cities to have a team are more likely to be San Antonio, Austin, Portland, St.Louis again, San Diego again, Omaha, Birmingham and Memphis.
@@noahgolden6258 The question I was answering "Don't Memphis have the Titans" I said "Titans are in Nashville" No one said anything about them being called the Nashville Titans. Memphis has other professional sports teams and they are close to Mississippi and Alabama which was a stretch on them possibly getting an NFL team out of other cities, but it's what's left for cities. If anything Oklahoma City would get a team before the ever consider Memphis, just didn't think about it at the time.
As a Raider fan from the East Bay idk about putting a new team here. We still love our Raiders no matter how bad it hurt by them moving AGAIN. I personally would prefer to wait the 20-30 years for the lease in Vegas to expire and have the Raiders move back. We're too passionate about the Raiders to be a fan of a new team that moves to Oakland but I appreciate the love and sympathy for how dirty we got done. I wish we just played at Levi's stadium until we could get a new stadium out here. Just seemed too logical to me
Would LOVE for Portland to have an NFL team but Providence is about 35,000 seats short of the league minimum (60K). If the NFL were to be willing to reduce minimum threshold, then certainly Seattle and Portland would be MUST see TV. They HATE each others sports teams when they have the same sport.
I myself would love to see an NFL team in Oregon. I have always wondered though, if locating the stadium in Salem, 1 hours drive South down interstate 5 (much like the Patriots and 49ers have done in their situations), might be more beneficial to the franchise by centralizing it within a larger population base. The Portland metropolitan area consists of about 2.5 million people. 1 hour to the south of that is the Salem-Keizer Metro area of 225(-ish) thousand, and another hour south is the Eugene-Springfield Metro area with another 225(-ish) thousand. By putting the stadium in the Salem-Keizer area, it would then be situated an hour or less drive from about 3 million people! That seems like a viable market, right?
As a Utah resident, we could definitely support an NFL team. Yeah Sundays would be an issue for attendance sometimes. I think if more teams are added and scheduling is adjusted something can work out. Utah has also sold out countless Jazz games for years on end for like 20 years. Even in rebuild. The reason the stallions attendance was horrible was because the AAF lasted like a season lol. Hardly anyone knew they existed out here since it was like a feeder league and there was virtually no marketing to it. But those who did loved the team. Attendance was actually growing near the end of the season. Another thing is putting the team in Provo doesn’t make any sense. You’re making the attendance issue worse doing that having them out of the city. So transportation will be highly different with busses, trains and also traffic, plus you’re putting them in a more statistically Mormon area so you’ll probably be making attendance worse. SLC is a more prepared area for big events because they held the Olympics in 2002 so all of those things make the city more viable for a team. Utah has actually prepared an area by the SLC airport that will be used for future stadiums if pro sports leagues do decide to move out here and also more area for the entertainment industry like concerts, restraunts, etc. So I could see more of that area for more pro teams since it will make travel and everything way more viable if teams come to play here.
I commented this elsewhere, but I agree. There’s no need to “get in” with the Mormon market. It really is a non-issue, there are plenty people, religious or not, who will be faithful (like what I did there?) fans of a team was here. Concerts are consistently selling out at the Delta Center, even on Sundays. There’s a lot of recent talk about major league teams making their way here and it’s about time, honestly.
NFL would do fine in Utah. I think just about everyone here wants it. Sundays aren't as big of an issue as people think. There is a large enough non-Mormon population alone to overcome that. The biggest issue is sponsorship money. We already have the Jazz and it looks like an MLB and or NHL team are on the way. I don't know if there is enough money in this market to support all that. But fans won't be a problem. Especially since NFL plays only 9 home games per year.
Oakland won't get any more professional teams until there's a decent stadium and infrastructure. The stadium that the A's and Raiders shared is, to put it bluntly, the worst stadium in professional sports.
A Virginia Beach team would be such a good addition, it would be so close to Norfolk, Newport News, Hampton and Chesapeake, and could probably pull fans from as far as Richmond as well. Could be a huge market, and would finally bring a single major sports franchise to Virginia proper.
You should probably change the title to "Where I want the NFL to expand to." A few things: 1. The Chargers, for better or worse, CANNOT leave LA for 20 years. Either San Diego gets a new team, or they wait. 2. Oakland has proven that they are incapable of sustaining teams in ANY league. 3. Texas is the fastest-growing state, with the fastest-growing metropolis (Austin). This state can easily support two more teams, in San Antonio and Austin. 4. St. Louis and Portland make sense. Birmingham is intriguing. Not the biggest market, but it would be the first pro league in the state, and I think football is the one sport that could pull that off there, given the football culture there.
Yeah there's not even close to enough talent for 8 teams. Some positions are a little slim even for adding two teams but adding two would probably be fine. Adding 2 starting QBs and 2-4 more backups would press some of the better backup QBs into starting roles. Could help add value to the running back position since there is excess talent at the position, there would be 6 more RBs on rosters which could help better ones stand out, oline and defensive talent would get stretched further resulting in the RB having a greater effect on the success of run plays as opposed to now where blocking outcomes are much more important. Cornerback and pass rushing talent would be stretched which could result in lesser QBs having better outcomes which may actually improve the competitiveness of the league.
Haven't some of the rules the league has instituted within the last few years already negated the fact that you need a lot of talent in many of the positions?
One thing I'll say about a Portland team (which, imo, is one of the most compelling) is that the colour needs to be Green. The ducks and the timbers (who theyd share a stadium with) are both green, and I think the "breakers" branding just didn't hit. I'd go for the Portland Lumberjacks, or Bigfoots, or Mountainmen, or something like that. I'd go green and orangey-brown (thus a homage to both the Ducks and the Beavers, as well as staying similar in colour scheme to the timbers.
These are some good ideas. Another idea to start expansion would be to add four teams in one division, call it the Regional Division, and focus it on markets. Each year two of the teams will contend in the AFC, the other two in the NFC, and the next year they swap. The teams could be: - North Tundra (Montana and the Dakotas) - Western Traverse (Oregon, Idaho, and Wyoming) - Central Plains (Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma) - Southern Gulf (Arkansas, Alabama, and Mississippi) Then you create teams for markets and states that might not support them on their own, and build up fanbases and interest in those areas
Portland, Oregon - The metro area has 2,511,612 (2020) people. Oregon Ducks are 4th in PAC 12 attendance (49,468). And the city only has one Big Four team (NBA), so the market is untapped. They would have a logical rival with the Seattle Seahawks - the battle of the Pacific Northwest would be crazy exciting! St. Louis, Missouri - The metro area has 2,809,299 (2020) people. St. Louis Battlehawks are the highest attended XFL team (35,104). And the city only has two Big Four teams (NHL, and MLB), so the market is under saturated. They would have a logical rivalry with the Kansas City Chiefs, and the battle of Missouri can come back to the NFL. In 2015 the St. Louis Rams came up with a viable stadium plan to keep the team, but the owners approved relocation to Los Angeles, despite fan protests. San Diego, California - The metro area has 3,276,208 (2020) people, making San Diego the second largest market in the United States without an NFL team. San Diego is also across the border from Tijuana, Mexico, and Tijuana has a population of 2,157,853 (2020) people. And there is no NFL to represent Southern California-Mexican border anymore. If the NFL wants to expand into the Mexican market, San Diego is 30% latino, so this might be an option to grow the sport with Mexican fans, and it would give the 3.2 Million people in San Diego their team back. There would be natural rivalries with the Los Angeles Rams, and especially with the Los Angeles Chargers. San Antonio, Texas or Austin, Texas - The San Antonio metro area is 2,601,788 (2020) and the Austin metro area is 2,421,115 (2020). This is football country. San Antonio is the largest market in the United States without an NFL, and it's only 1 hour and 30 minutes to Austin, Texas (the third largest market in the United States without an NFL team). This area is a no brainer. San Antonio has one Big Four team (NBA) and Austin has zero Big Four teams. This is the most under utilized market available to the NFL. University of Texas in Austin averages (91,938) per game, while Texas A&M (half way between Austin and Houston) averages (98,407) per game. This team would would have rivalries with the Dallas Cowboys and with the Houston Texans to determine who is the best football team in all of Texas. Toronto, Ontario - The metro area has 6,202,225 (2020) people, that's 1,179,322 more people than San Antonio and Austin combined. Toronto is the largest market in Canada, or the US without an NFL team. Canada invented football in 1861, so they have a history. Toronto has great NFL TV ratings (4th in North America; Toronto-Hamilton 8.3 million viewers). Plus Toronto already has a team in the MLB, MLS, NHL and NBA. It has 6.2 Million people (2021) just waiting for a team. And it would have geographic rivals with the Buffalo Bills and the Detroit Lions.
@@Stand_By_For_Mind_Control It took me a minute to understand. Toronto has big 3 - Leafs, Raptors, Jays and 6.2 million people (Buffalo is only 1.1 million people by comparison). Toronto (and maybe San Antonio/Austin) are the best locations for the NFL to expand.
A great idea I came up with for an 18 game season is to mandate players sit for 4 full halves of games however that can be attained and would add an insane strategy dynamic of when to rest your stars. Players hate having g to play 17 games an I feel this would make owners and players happy
Partely agree, though I think it could happen naturally. The video also mentions having an extra bye week. I think this is an absolutely must. The NFL did it before, but TV networks hated it, and revenue dropped. But in the future NFL will be playing on almost all days of the week (maybe not Saturday, due to college), and I can easily see rest weeks happening around such an expanded schedule.
@@Z64sports given the NFL's increasing focus on doing international games, I feel the natural conclusion that we're headed toward is every team doing 1 game abroad per year. This would make 8 at home, 8 away, 1 international game for a neutral site.
@Z64sports , the big reason players don't want an 18-game season with only one bye week is because of the strain football causes on the body. A second bye week for an 18-game season would be an absolute must. But I do like the idea of a neutral site game.
@@Z64sportsI thought this would make sense when the 17 game season was introduced, and tbh as a European NFL fan I think 16 overseas games each season would probably be more feasible than a London or MX team
id love to see the nfl come to canada. toronto and montreal would be such a cool expansion, toronto for obvious reasons but montreal fans have a real die hard following for all their sports teams, and with the nfl’s branding ability they could definitely get a really solid fan base in montreal
San Diego has built a new stadium. Expandable to 75,000 No new division per conference is needed. Make it 20 regular season with 2 by weeks. Austin won't work due to Texas Longhorns. Birmingham built a new stadium 2 years ago. 72,000 seats I think.
The problem with 20 weeks is injuries. At this number of games, you could find a team where half the starting QBs at the beginning of the season, are injured and out come playoff time. And not just QBs, obviously. Granted, you would have to expand rosters to 60 players, plus double the practice squads. But this doesn't solve the problem of deep talent. Does anyone want to see a playoff game between the Chargers and Bengals, where Easton Stick battles Trevor Simeon...because both teams starters got hurt?
San Antonio-Austin is the single best market in the world for an NFL team lol...like sorry the Texas Longhorns exist....but a $4 billion dollar NFL team is worth more
@@PhilAndersonOutside You don’t want to see anyone get injured, but look at the league this year. They have started over 55 QBs due to injury and people still watch.
As a texan fan, if theres a team going to san antonio and okc i wouldnt mind seeing the afc south be houston, dallas, san antonio, okc, and kc. Keeps everything close and the rivalries between the 3 tx teams would get heated as well as kc, okc, and dallas. Keeps the travel to a minimum. Id like to see the whole league go to more of a true regional divisions vs how spread it is now
The Virginia Beach area would be a killer spot for a new team. It’s a huge population center with Norfolk, Newport News, Hampton, and Chesapeake all within ~30 minutes, and they’d probably pull fans from as far a Richmond as well. Plus Virginia technically has no major sports franchises in the state, so the citizens would probably be elated to finally get one.
From that area and it's been begging for a professional sports team for near 30 years. And as far as football goes it would fit geographically with the AFC north, the afc south, the nfc east or nfc south. Combined with the initiative that has been proposed to incorporate the "7 cities"(Newport News, Hampton, Norfolk, va beach, portsmouth, suffolk, and Chesapeake) into a larger city called Hampton Roads (kinda like Los Angeles is).... it's an area perfectly suited for an expansion in any professional sports market.
Living in the Northwest, its always frustrating having literally everyone in the country ignore us. The hawks are the only reason anyone's ever heard of us. We might as well be Alaska.
Frankly, Chargers to Ciudad de Mexico makes more sense than Chargers to San Diego. Honestly tho, they deserve contraction. The difference between Spanos and Thanos? Thanos only wanted to kill half the Chargers fan base, Spanos wanted to kill all of it. Also, in the end, Thanos failed, and Spanos did not 😂 Also, Oakland does not deserve to have nice things
Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, SA/Austin, Louisville, Portland, St Louis, and San Diego. One team added to each division. 20 Regular season games. 16 playoff teams. No preseason. 2 bye weeks. 10 division games. 5 games against a rotating division in the conference. 5 in a rotating division out of conference. My final controversial rule: Players are only allowed to play in 16 games total with the exception of Kicker and Punter. They get paid the same money as they do now. The additional revenue goes to an expanded roster of 67 players. Teams must strategically choose when to bench starters.
Here are my top 10 relocation cities and team names: 1. San Antonio Spartans (my personal favorite) 2. OKC Rattlers 3. Salt Lake City Badgers 4. San Diego Fleet (AAF rights purchased) 5. St. Louis Bulldawgs 6. Orlando Apollos (AAF rights purchased) 7. Portland Mountain Lions 8. Birmingham Iron (AAF rights purchased) 9. Oakland Gladiators 10. Sacramento Condors (Madden NFL expansion rights)
Eastern Ontario is mostly Bills country, with a few Lions fans, mostly in Windsor. Toronto is mainly a Bills City, so I really don’t see the fans there converting.
I believe that Birmingham, Memphis and Omaha would be great additions to the NFL, as Tram locations. Zero Trams near Alabama and They could play at the University of Alabama until Their stadium was built, or work it out. Memphis would be a shoe in, but since they’ve got the Nashville Tennessee Titans, it might not happen. Omaha, Nebraska is a great choice because of the Fan base for Football and they could use the University of Omaha stadium, just work it out. The 2 nearest Teams a in that area is Denver Broncos and Kansas City Chiefs, that’s a huge gap. In Omaha the Fans would fill the seats in the Stadium.
If the league expands again it will test international markets and put at least 1 team in Canada and 1 team in Mexico City. With that said I do not think the league expands again any time soon, I think they will first try to create a true minor league system by supporting and funding either the Spring League or the proposed new D1 Subdivision.
NFL cannot expand into Canada, the Bills Toronto Series is the closest the NFL will get. The WFL tried in the mid 1970s and Parliament came close to passing a law granting the CFL a monopoly. (Canadian Football Act 1974). The original USFL thought about it in 1983 and immediately Canadian MPs threatened to reintroduce the act.
Great video! I strongly agree with you on Portland and Oklahoma City. Great choices. I think Albuquerque could get behind a football team. I've lived there twice and people are either Bronco, Cowboy, or Steeler fan. I think having San Antonio be in a different conference than the Cowboys would make for an interesting rivalry.
Keep the NFL at 32 teams. Have an 8-team minor league. To oppose tanking, have a Tank Bowl during the bye between the Super Bowl and the Conference Championships. The winner gets the #1 draft pick, while the loser gets relegated into the minor league, where its champion gets the #2 draft pick. This may cause teams to switch divisions but it will be for the best.
Ideally I'd like to see NFL Europe come back and a few inter-league games a year. But I'm skeptical that there's enough talent around to make that a reality.
Speaking to the original premise... Adding 8 new teams does keep the existing divisions balanced, but that's a lot of teams to add all at once. Although 18 games does work out (your own division members twice each [8 games] + two other divisions [10 games]) Its possible to add only 4 teams and still keep a good balance. You just have to restructure the divisions - two conferences, with two divisions, each with 9 teams. Each plays their entire division once (8 games) and another division's teams once each (9 games) for a total of 17 games. What I like about this is that you eliminate the problem of weak division winners (e.g. 8-9) getting a top-seed playoff berth. As I write this, the worst of the top 4 teams between AFC and NFC is looking at maybe a 12-5 record, which is clearly a winning team. The other 10 slots would still be rounded out with wildcards.
I think some of the easiest options that get overlooked are teams in Canada. You could pretty easily justify putting a team in both Toronto and Vancouver, and even potentially some other cities. Assuming that the Vancouver team is placed in a western division, and the Toronto one in the north, travel times shouldn't be that much worse than some teams already experience.
@@Orto4956 I can say the same thing about any other teams with possible expansion areas. Adding teams to the league means you are going to get people to switch allegiances. The best way to do that is probably having Canadian teams, it would add a sense of patriotism for people to support them.
I became a chargers fan when they moved to LA but I work in San Diego once a week so I’m still in favor of moving them back down. Look at the padres attendance this year! They can definitely support another pro team
I like the idea of the XFL and the USFL doing a merger of sorts and a small expansion to some cities that could use a NFL team but may be to lacking in enough support for a full on NFL expansion to them. I don't feel there is enough talent of the caliber the NFL requires and these smaller markets could field capable teams for XFL/USFL play. America could sure use a spring league that is viable and could stick around.
I don't think the XFL and USFL need to merge. They are both minor leagues, and so far able to turn a profit as the are. What I would however like to see, is one week of each season be an "inter-league" game. Say, the St. Louis Battlehawks vs. the Birmingham Stallions. I think this would generate huge interest, and a lot more fans than what either are getting now. Yes, I know, different rules, and the leagues don't overlap that much. But this would not be hard to overcome with future planning.
Teams have to play too many games in a season which is why a significant percentage of teams are playing backup QBs. Injuries play too much of a factor in recent years. Years ago it was only a 12 game season. I think the league should keep the current 18 week season but give each team 3 bye weeks so each team plays 15 games.
I found it interesting that you didn’t put a team in Columbus because you said it was too close to the Bengals. As a person that lives in Columbus, I see a more people rooting for the Browns than the Bengals, so I’d say a Columbus team would interfere more with Cleveland’s market oddly enough.
I have an issue with having more than two teams in any state. I realize that Florida, New York and California are big states, but three is too many. I wouldn't be happy with an additional team in Texas for the same reason as they already have two teams.
Yeah, the trend for the NFL seems to be expanding outside the US. There is a distinct possibility of an expansion team popping up in London, and also Frankfurt. Toronto and OKC would be on the list too.
I feel like Albuquerque gets overlooked a lot in these types of discussions. An NFL team would do very well there, but they would have to build a new stadium
I would love the Jets back into Queens and have a new team share MetLife with the Giants, but the new team is nominally a New Jersey team, like how the New Jersey Devils are in the NYC market but still represent all of NJ
Cities I would personally pick, no particular order Toronto Albuquerque El Paso Memphis Oklahoma City Birmingham Portland St Louis Honorable mentions for me would be Lexington Omaha San Antonio
I would start with going back to East, Central, West Divisions. Six teams each. That way we only expand four teams (two in each conference). After a while, when it makes to expand again, we can move back to the East, North, South, West alignment.
I'm disappointed you didn't discuss the opportunities globally. The fact that international games are quite successful tends to lead to the obvious conclusion that it will happen at some time. This will be good to put American Football on an international stage and if spread out evenly will even out the possible impact of time zone differentials.
AFC East... Toronto, built in rivalry with Buffalo plus Boston and New York. Then I would put the Portland team in Vancouver. Still get the Seattle rivalry and a bigger city + venue
I'm surprised you wouldn't consider 36 before 40. With 2 conferences of three 6-team divisions you would have plenty of paths to a logical schedule format. One possible alignment: AFC East: Buffalo, New England, NY Jets, Miami, Jacksonville, Indianapolis AFC Central: Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Tennessee, San Antonio AFC West: Kansas City, Denver, Las Vegas, LA Chargers, Houston, Portland NFC East: NY Giants, Philadelphia, Washington, Dallas, Carolina, Atlanta NFC Central: Detroit, Chicago, Green Bay, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, Birmingham NFC West: Seattle, San Francisco, LA Rams, Arizona, New Orleans, St. Louis You could also go with an imbalanced 4 division split to not mess up the south too much, but the scheduling would be a bit rougher to do: AFC East: Buffalo, New England, NY Jets, Miami AFC North: Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincinnati AFC South: Jacksonville, Indianapolis, Tennessee, Houston, San Antonio AFC West: Kansas City, Denver, Las Vegas, LA Chargers, Portland NFC East: NY Giants, Philadelphia, Washington, Dallas, Carolina NFC North: Detroit, Chicago, Green Bay, Minnesota, St. Louis NFC South: Tampa Bay, Atlanta, New Orleans, Birmingham NFC West: Seattle, San Francisco, LA Rams, Arizona
I've actually said, ever since the Raiders moved to Vegas that they should drop the name Raiders and give it back to the state of California, if not the city of Oakland specifically.(side note: I've been a Kansas City Chiefs fan since 1992, so that rivalry is big for me.) if that happens, what do you think the Vegas team should be re-named?
I hate to tell you this Baltimore is closer to Pittsburgh than Indianapolis is. Baltimore is 244.4 Miles from Pittsburgh vs 359.4 miles from Pittsburgh to Indy. But the 2 Ohio based teams the Bengals and Browns are closer to Indy than Baltimore and Pittsburgh are. Plus Ravens and Steelers have one of the best rivalries in the NFL with the Ravens so the NFL wouldn't want to break that up. Plus all 4 teams have rivalries with each other too. Also Indy has already established their rivalries with the AFC South teams already.
my bet is the next 4 expansion cities are primarily international: London, Frankfurt, Mexico City, and in the US, San Antonio. If you want to go to 40, it's St. Louis, Oklahoma City, San Diego, and likely Amsterdam or another northern European city.
If Orlando got a NFL team, I'd want them to be named the Leatherheads, named after the many Alligators we have in central Florida, and maybe a tribute to the College Football team the Florida Gators, or the Apollos/Rockets, named in relation to the Kennedy Space Center in Cape Canaveral. Another cool name I could kinda see being done would be something having to do with Medieval themes in tribute to the College football team the UCF Knights, like crusaders or paladins.
Big fan of the idea of a NFL team in OKC as someone from Oklahoma born and raised there is a ton of football support, with people usually opting for the Chiefs so having our own team would give us some individuality and some maybe rivalry with Dallas? Idk but it would be cool
I think the NFL should expand back to St. Louis. Various reasons explain, they should move the Colts. Indianapolis has no reason to have an NFL team, while St. Louis is quite bigger and has more major league sports teams.
I like the expansion to 40. 18 games season, 2 bye weeks. 20 weeks total. But I'd include international teams over some of those cities. Mexico into nfc south. Toronto into nfc north London into nfc east. Germany into afc east. Portland into nfc west. Oklahoma into afc west. St. Louis into afc north Alabama into afc south
I like all the ideas, but one suggestion, a Toronto team should absolutely be in the AFC East, cause a lot of people in south Ontario are Bills fans and the FUCKIN’ HATE the patriots already. So this would create two instant rivalries, with the new Toronto fans vs the Toronto Mafia and Toronto V New England.
Hell no to all international teams that add timezones not already part of the schedule. Ya, I k know, NFL plays games in Europe and elsewhere and I hate every second of it.
The Dolphins originally were suppose to be moved into the AFC South along with the Titans, Jags and Texans. That was the original plan by the NFL. But the owner of the Miami Dolphins at the time, Wayne Huizenga, wanted Miami to keep its traditional rivaly between the Bills and Jets going, so the NFL gave in to his command and put the Dolphins in the AFC East and Indy in the AFC South. It makes soooo much more sense to put Indy in the East and Miami in the South, I agree, but I also agree with not giving up the Jets and Bills rivalry. Im a Dolphins fan, so I know this, but ive always said the Dolphins would of done a lot better in the last 20 years if they were in the AFC South. Think about the AFC East in the last 20 years, just being dominated by Brady and the Patriots, sure Miami beat the Pats more than any other AFC East team, but they still beat us more than we beat them. Look at the AFC South the last 20 years, during that stretch the Dolphins could of won that division more times the the amount of times they won the AFC East in the last 20 years. Neither the Jags, Titans or Texans have been as truly dominant as the Pats have in the last 20 years, just saying the AFC South has been a lot more wide open than the AFC East has been, giving the possibility that Miami could of won that division more times than they won the AFC East, which has been like once in the last 20 years.
Honestly I think Dallas was supposed to be in the nfc south but Jerry Jones cited the same reasons as Miami not wanting to give up the rivalries with the Giants, Eagles and Commanders/Redskins
I feel like the colts would fit better in the AFC north, they already have a decent rivalry with the Steelers and Anthony Richardson and Lamar Jackson I feel would have a good rivalry naturally based on their play styles.(I know you made the video before the draft but with knowing what I know now) plus geographically it makes sense. afc south even without the colts could be better with receiving 2 new teams based on the fact that it’s a fairly competitive division this season, plus adding the Memphis team in the same division as the titans would be good for marketing as well. You might be able to add the dolphins to the afc south but I feel the bills would end up owning the east based on playing the jets, pats, and 2 new teams, and have better stats than they actually should have dipping the new teams popularity. Instead maybe(without any research) a Maine team or ignore the geography part and add one other the other teams you mentioned. Hope than made sense, as a colts fan it’s always bothered me we are afc south and not north with how close we are to them and I feel the expansion would justify a switch.
My ideas for expansion teams are: Salt Lake City blizzards ( yeti mascot) , Virginia vipers , Toronto tigers , San Antonio pumas , and London redcoats/ monarchs
I don’t know…4 teams in Cali? And adding teams to states that already have teams? I’d love to see the Chargers back in San Diego. And I’d love to see the USFL and XFL get absorbed by the NFL. I think a team in Alabama could produce a good rivalry with the Falcons in Georgia given that the two states biggest college football programs, the Crimson Tide and the Bulldogs respectively. But the NFL mainly needs to expand to new states and particularly to the Midwest. and I just…I feel like the NFL should focus on expanding elsewhere in the US.
What about adding some foreign teams like Toronto and Vancouver? Both have decent stadiums already and large populations. Or maybe even London, UK? I think it would be a logistical nightmare, but any team moving to London would be popular
@@zekeonstormpeak4186Then how do you explain the Toronto Blue Jays. I’d argue baseball is more historically and culturally considered “Americas sport” yet one of the biggest franchises is in Canada. It’ll never happen, but a team in Toronto would easily do 10 times better than a team in some shit city like San Diego, Orlando, St Louis or Sacramento
@@zekeonstormpeak4186 "football is an American sport" Well, Canada invented football you dumb dumb. 1861. Toronto. "The earliest recorded instance of gridiron football occurred at University of Toronto's University College in November 1861" Wasn't dumb Texans. They invent barbeque sauces.
If you're going to do an 8-team expansion without going overseas. You definitely need a few teams outside the US I think. Oklahoma/Texas area being over-saturated with teams is not a good idea. (5 teams if you count the Saints in Louisiana) I do love moving the Chargers back to San Diego, they never should've left. No new team in Oakland though, they did that to themselves honestly. You keep Miami and Indy in the AFC East and South respectively NFC East - Toronto. You need to get into Canada with at least one team. And having a natural rivalry with NYC and Toronto (NHL O6 rival) could be something big NFC North - I do love the idea of having St Louis getting a new expansion NFC South - Putting a team in AL does make sense because of fans passion, but geographically, it doesn't, you're in the middle of 4 teams geographically (Atlanta, Jacksonville, Tennessee, New Orleans). If you put any team in the NFC South, it should be somewhere like Memphis (yes, I know, just stated that exact argument against Birmingham, AL, but Memphis is a much bigger city) NFC West - Portland geographically makes perfect sense, you could also put a team in Salt Lake City as mentioned in your video AFC East - hear me out on this one, this is to build an I-95 division basically (pretty much what the AFC East is outside Buffalo), Savannah, GA or Charleston, SC. Either team could be the natural rival to the NFC team in that state (Falcons for GA, Panthers in NC) AFC North - another team in Canada, Calgary or Winnipeg would make the most sense geographically as they have the population centers. Probably Winnipeg as it is closer geographically to the other 4 teams AFC South - Mexico City. Nothing else needs to be said. AFC West - There are a couple of options here. If you go with Salt Lake in the NFC West, Portland as a Conference-regional rival with Seattle makes perfect sense, as Seattle originally was an AFC West team. You could also go the international route and have a Border War Battle and put a 3rd team in Canada with a team in Vancouver
Adding one expansion team to each division is a decent idea: My cities for each division AFC East = Orlando Mystics AFC North = Louisville Ranchers AFC South = Austin Bats AFC West = San Diego Tidals NFC East = Columbus Crusaders NFC North = St. Louis Archers NFC South = San Antonio Sentinels NFC West = Portland Timbers
I feel St. Louis should get a team first after having lost two in the past. Also I think Oakland should get one next. Any other cities that lost teams should have first consideration. Those cities were devastated emotionally and financially by losing their teams.
St Louis is a pretty great sports city. They’ve had two awful, saboteurs as NFL owners…but the Cardinals, Blues, and City SC (and StL FC before them) are all very well supported relative to their leagues. The problem with St.Louis is that it’s a dying city. And downtown somehow isn’t yet bad enough to convince the suburban folks that are afraid to go into downtown for more than two blocks around the stadiums and arenas that they need to fix the city/county problem that they need to fix before it can actually get sustainably better. The *last* thing St. Louis needs to spend money on is another goddamned NFL team, but that has nothing to do with it being a bad fanbase or sports city and everything to do with the fact that it’s a broken city in need of heavy investment in far more worthwhile things than a football team.
I’d like to see the following Teams in the Expansion NFL : Albany Firebirds, Birmingham Stallions, Memphis Hound Dogs, Oakland Invaders, Omaha Black Knights, Portland Breakers, Salt Lake City Vipers, St Louis Stampede, (New Mexico Aztecs,) just to cover places that don’t have a Team. Teams could play in nearby Universities to play football. And Fans would definitely want to see Their Teams playing Football there. I avoided States with Teams like California and Texas, New York only has one Team the Buffalo Bills, the other Teams play in New Jersey. Placing Teams in States without NFL Teams. This would benefit the most for the NFL.
If there ever happened to be a team in Omaha be fitting that Peyton Manning would own the team Edit: Also as a Raider fan living in the Bay area, if the NFL ever returned to Oakland I would ditch the Raiders to become a fan of the new Oakland team. I'm sure Ownership will get this team competing for the Raiders ever will again.
In the USA..I think San Diego & St Louis should get their NFL teams back..But the dam greedy former owners got in the way...Mayb Portland OR..or Salt Lake City..I mightv said San Antonio TX (but they hav trouble supportng an USFL team..2x now)..DAL Cowboys are the kings Texas..It’s a shame the Oilers left for NSH..Those “Luv Ya Blue” Earl Campbell late 70s & Warren Moon in early 90s teams were dam good..The Texans are re-buildng..yet again..Im a fan of the international NFL games..in London..Frankfurt/Berlin..Mexico City.. They did a few games in the Tokyo Dome in Japan in the 90s...I mean, Y call a NFL team “World Champs”..when they didnt even play or beat anybody from overseas ? That was always a pet peeve of mine..If the BFLO Bills or KC Chiefs beat the London Regals 👑or Tokyo Dragons 🐉 in the Super Bowl.. or evn durng the season..Then yes..U can then call yourselvs “World Champs”...Yes the timezone & logistics would be a pain in the ass..U already hav to get up at 9am to watch a game in London..Probably 7-8am for a Berlin game...But if its “our team”..We’ll set our alarm clocks ⏰ to be up in time to watch the game...I wish the Olympics would drop ballroom dancing or bad-minton or synchronized swimming..& replace them with Amer football (U get 4 yrs for coaches to learn the game/gameplan..rules & train your athletes/playrs)..Love for NFL football to catch on globally..Like FIFA & The World Cup soccer is now
San Antonio only had one USFL team, the Gunslingers. The owner was a crook, the franchise was mismanaged, and they played in a high school stadium that couldn't sell beer. San Antonio has consistently pulled 15k (average) for minor league ball. Put an NFL team here and they'll draw 60k... the prestige is what will draw... and the fact that NFL owners will be vetted to afford a team and committed to the franchise... and the league won't be at risk of folding between seasons. It's hard to be a fan of a new team when you never know if it'll be there next year.
Considering the enormous success of the international games there’s got to be a serious consideration of a London team. Call it the British redcoats - creates a natural rivalry with literally all the other teams just by doing that. For east coast teams it doesn’t really make much travel time difference compared to flying to the west coast either.
I could see Salt Lake getting a team but let them play in Salt Lake instead of Provo. It wouldn't work very well in Provo because of the people would attend the church services before any games, Check out how many games the Jazz play on Sunday at home. Thanks for thinking of Utah having a team, if they did, I'd suggest the Rocky Mountain Battalion.
That is an excellent point, it would be a good idea to get the BYU fans onboard as part of the marketing. I lived in SLC when the Stallions were there for like 2 weeks. The team wasn't really on anyone's radar, but UofU as well has a professional atmosphere.
I've lived in Salt Lake City since 2019. It's becoming more and more crowded. We definitely can have an NFL team here. But I also hope the Chargers go back to San Diego.
This is cool, I think it's best to have expansion teams that don't already have a pre existing team they root for (ie even though Toronto isn't Buffalo it and most of Eastern Ontario are already solid Bills Country). For that criteria, I think Utah(isn't solidly Broncos or Chiefs country , and can also historically sell out tickets (notably St Louis (same as Utah, plus they've had an NFL team there and thus have proven that butts will be in seats if a team goes over there), and perhaps Birmingham or OKC(Alabama is football country so huge potential there).
Heres where i think they should expand, and what their team names should be. Indiana Pipewaters. City: Richmond. Colors: blue and red. Placement: 29th Crump Horses. State: Tennessee. Colors: green gray and purple. Placement: 40th Los Angeles Nordics. Colors: blue and white. Placement 22nd Vermont Kings. City: Montpelier. Colors: Yellow Pink and Purple. Placement: 12th Fresno Boilers. Colors: blue and red. Placement: 25th Massena Hydraters. State: New York. Colors: brown white blue and red. Placement: 23rd Newark Independents. State: New Jersey. Colors: orange red and brown. Placement: 38th Sacramento Dragons. State: California. Colors: purple pink and brown. Placement: 21st
Canadian government has held the position since the 70s that they will never allow an NFL team to set up in Toronto.. they think (probably rightfully so) that it would destroy the CFL. Mexico City is still too dangerous and that altitude would be a nightmare for players to deal with. Some players already have some issues with Denver’s altitude and I think Mexico City is something like twice or three times as high up.
@@fate8718 lol Oh don't forget the dumb Americans put the Toronto Blue Jays in the AMERICAN LEAGUE conference American geography. Almost as frightening as American healthcare or American gun control laws.
An NFL team in Montreal would be amazing. The Alouettes just won the CFL Grey Cup and people in Montreal went nuts when that happened. For a stadium, I think they could either do a serious expansion of the Stade Percival-Molson near McGill University (where their teams play already in Quebec’s version of the NCAA) or they should replace Olympic Stadium with something new.
Nicely done. I actually think Sacramento would be on board. We used to pack Sac City Hughes Stadium and Sac State Hornet Stadium for the Sacramento Surge of the world league Gold Miners for the failed CFL expansion to the USA and the Mountain Lions of the UFL. I agree with someone who was a Raiders fan that stated they would not support a new team in Oakland unless you changed the name back to the Raiders and turned the Las Vegas Raiders into a different team name. Sacramento on the other hand putting a team there I feel like more fans would get on board. Obviously the old site of Arco would be cool we also have the old Railyard near downtown that we are trying to build a new Soccer Stadium for the Republic FC maybe a combination MLS/NFL stadium could be built.
As someone who has lived in Salt Lake City my whole life, I think an NFL team would be a massive success. I had a hard time choosing a team as a kid and eventually chose the Ravens due to family ties. Football is huge in Utah and a team would do very well. Only issue is games being on Sunday and some Mormon fans wouldn’t go
Good thing mormonism is a cult. Football would bring people out of that. It's too big of a market to miss out on
lol that's a major issue cause how is the league supposed to make money
Salt Lake Stallions did really well for the AAF, I can absolutely see it
Ya I genuinely can’t see that happening. Not enough people of money and then a lot of Mormons that wouldn’t support too
@@marcobazan4187 Nah there’s plenty of money in the Salt Lake area. The Cities GDP is greater than Jacksonville.
The problem isn’t that LA can’t support two NFL teams, it’s that they don’t want to. The fact the Chargers are in third place in that city says everything about the move
They should ship the Chargers either back to San Diego, or just send them to Utah.
@@philderrick9429couldn’t have said it better, even when the rams(who La considers its team) play sf at home, sofi is still completely red, La is massive but it’s obvious they don’t need 2 teams
@@philderrick9429Sacramento
@@philderrick9429 that is a good idea. The Utah Chargers I guess would be a good name.
And hell LA's team isn't even the #1 team in that city, the Raiders are. The Raiders should've been the ones to move to LA.
To add a team to each division for expansion Is exactly what I thought the USFL and XFL positioned themselves for to be grafted into the NFL, which would be perfect.
7:33 The original Showboats
Dude Id love it if those teams just joined the NFL
@@michaelcorbalis9860Nah spring football is great to fill the gap… plus then I can cheer for a team other than the Panthers 😭
They need two divisions and have promotion and relegation.
The USFL and XFL (now merged under the United Football League Banner) are not meant to be part of the NFL. Instead, they act as minor leagues and extended preseasons for the NFL to develop players that have potential but aren’t quite ready for that level of play. It would be better for them to try to match the NFL in terms of the amount if teams instead and focus on affiliation with NFL teams like with what we see in Minor League Baseball, Hockey’s AHL and ECHL, and the NBA’s G-League.
Prior to the last time the NFL expanded and realigned the divisions. The Colts were in the AFC East with the Jets, Patriots, Bills, Dolphins. (It was a 5 team division back then).
That was also because of where the Colts were before they moved...and the only reason the Ravens are in the AFC North is because of the Browns rivalry...
I'd like to see the Colts in the AFC North, actually. They have history with the Steelers and Browns (since they're the three teams in the AFC that were part of the NFL before the merger) and with the city of Baltimore
I'd like to see the divisions make sense.
I would LOVE a league where the California teams were in the same division.
The Florida teams were in the same division.
The Texas teams were in the same division.
The New York teams were in the same division.....
Too bad the league makes absolutely no sense. Like some toddler just picked at random. USA-USA!!
@@sampicanowhat makes sense about teams being in the same place being in the same division? How does that “make sense” it doesn’t make sense any more than it does now.
@@MrGoodeats You don't understand geography? Just say that, say "I've never looked at a map before"
How else would you organize a league?
Geography makes sense....put teams CLOSE TOGETHER who have RIVALRIES and are in the SAME TIME ZONE in the same divisions (anyone, even children understand that)
You could make divisions according to COLOR...all the red teams in one division, all the green teams in another....but that would be BRAIN DEAD STUPID, right? That is what a child would do.
Or you could make divisions the way they are now....just PURE AMERICAN STUPIDITY.
You have 4 California teams? And each division is four teams???? Well split them up! America is number one in smartness!
Two teams in Pennsylvania? GOOD SPLIT THEM UP!!!! AMERICA FOR BESTEST!
Three teams in Florida? You know the routine, split them UP!!!!!!
Gotta have a team from New York, Florida, and California in each division because you don't understand how geography and logistics work.
I’m a little disappointed you didn’t chose Toronto as an NFL expansion.
I know it’ll never happen because it’ll kill the CFL, but it really does otherwise make sense. Every other pro Toronto team is massively popular with the Blue Jays and Raptors being Canada-wide teams. And Toronto itself had a huge football market with tons of current Bills fans
I news for you a lot of people In Ontario flock to Niagara Falls and Windsor to watch Buffalo and Detroit games and the same in Manitoba for the Vikings and Bc for Seattle. And maybe Quebec fot the Patriots
@@joshuamountz6891 yeah I know, I know a ton of Bills fans from the east, and also basically all of BC are Seahawks fans.
That doesn’t mean that a team in Canada wouldn’t convert or create new fans. You can make the same argument for any expansion team “well residents of ‘any NA city’ are already mostly ‘closest geographic team’ fans”
Toronto Argo's are the least supported CFL team, when you trim the fat you won't kill the league. "Oh no our least attended teams attendance is shrinking!"
It's a nine team league...that's not a league.
And CFL popularity/product is growing stale, that league needs changes. A city of 6.2 million can support an NFL team (valued at multiple billions). An NFL team in Toronto would be instantly worth more than the combined CFL - it's honestly not a comparison. CFL should just focus on competing with the NLL (lacrosse league) and XFL, leagues in the same tier as them.
Aaron rogers makes more than the entire CFL rosters combined...so you cannot compare the two.
Buffalo is a 2 hour 47 minute drive (I just googled it) from Toronto. No body 2 hours and 47 minutes to tail gate at Orchard Park.
Sure Hamilton, and Niagara are closer to Buffalo. And get some fans.
I'd argue there are almost as many Cowboys fans in Toronto as Bills fans. There are TONS of NFL fans, but Torontonians kinda dislike Buffalo....it's like your little brother (from a step dad).
The CFL would stop this from happening in an instant, no US Teams would be allowed to play in Canada. They have the Toronto Argonauts of the CFL. So that would dip into Their profits, will not happen, The CFL has been around since 1909 but officially 1959, still They love Their CFL Teams. It gave the CFL a bad taste in Their mouth when the Baltimore Stallions won the 1995 83rd Grey Cup over the Calgary Stampeders.
As a Titans fan living in North AL, it would be cool for Memphis and Birmingham to have teams.
Maybe Huntsville but that's Titans territory
As a Memphian I love this option we love football and dont want to travel 3hours to support a pro team. The Showboats get alot of support.
St.louis first cause were nfl ready and were a real sports city .
There will never be an NFL team in Memphis. Too much crime.
@@bkteleven But Detroit, Baltimore, Oakland, St.Louis, and New Orleans were all options despite their crime rates.
Boy, I would hate to be as stupid as you.
The Jaguars and the Dolphins have no rivalry between each other. We rarely play each other, and I generally go for the Dolphins when they're not playing the Jags, because they and Tampa Bay are also from Florida.
The next cities to have a team are more likely to be San Antonio, Austin, Portland, St.Louis again, San Diego again, Omaha, Birmingham and Memphis.
@T0chback Titans are in Nashville.
Yeah as a dolphins fan I support the other Florida teams
titnans are called the Tennessee titans lol not the Nashville Titans why would Tennessee need more than one team?@@itzamia
@@noahgolden6258 The question I was answering "Don't Memphis have the Titans" I said "Titans are in Nashville" No one said anything about them being called the Nashville Titans. Memphis has other professional sports teams and they are close to Mississippi and Alabama which was a stretch on them possibly getting an NFL team out of other cities, but it's what's left for cities. If anything Oklahoma City would get a team before the ever consider Memphis, just didn't think about it at the time.
As a Seahawks fan
A Portland vs Seattle Rivalry would be dope 🔥🔥🔥
As a Raider fan from the East Bay idk about putting a new team here. We still love our Raiders no matter how bad it hurt by them moving AGAIN. I personally would prefer to wait the 20-30 years for the lease in Vegas to expire and have the Raiders move back. We're too passionate about the Raiders to be a fan of a new team that moves to Oakland but I appreciate the love and sympathy for how dirty we got done. I wish we just played at Levi's stadium until we could get a new stadium out here. Just seemed too logical to me
Lol nah we didn’t want y’all hater fans playing in our stadium we ran those girls out the bay 💯
@Goose707 that's why you ain't even have a stadium in yo own city yall play in Santa Clara bitch. At least we was actually in oakland
Who wants to wait 20-30 years for anything other than a retirement fund?
just win baby!😂
Sacramento probably should get a shot before a team goes back to Oakland
I think a Breakers-Seahawks rivalry would be great because of the Sounders-Timbers rivalry and Huskies-Ducks rivalry
Would LOVE for Portland to have an NFL team but Providence is about 35,000 seats short of the league minimum (60K). If the NFL were to be willing to reduce minimum threshold, then certainly Seattle and Portland would be MUST see TV. They HATE each others sports teams when they have the same sport.
If they build it, they will come...
The Chargers played two seasons at the LA Galaxy's stadium Dignity Health which is the same size as the Timburps (not a mistake hehe...) stadium.
I myself would love to see an NFL team in Oregon. I have always wondered though, if locating the stadium in Salem, 1 hours drive South down interstate 5 (much like the Patriots and 49ers have done in their situations), might be more beneficial to the franchise by centralizing it within a larger population base. The Portland metropolitan area consists of about 2.5 million people. 1 hour to the south of that is the Salem-Keizer Metro area of 225(-ish) thousand, and another hour south is the Eugene-Springfield Metro area with another 225(-ish) thousand. By putting the stadium in the Salem-Keizer area, it would then be situated an hour or less drive from about 3 million people! That seems like a viable market, right?
I think it would be really cool to have a team called the “Albuquerque Vipers”
i don’t think abq is big enough
“New Mexico Vipers”
New Mexicans would be the most loyal fan base in the NFL
I wish there was a team here but we don’t got the economy for it
Truth or Consequences Conquistadors.
Lake Havasu City Seventy-Sixers.
As a Utah resident, we could definitely support an NFL team. Yeah Sundays would be an issue for attendance sometimes. I think if more teams are added and scheduling is adjusted something can work out. Utah has also sold out countless Jazz games for years on end for like 20 years. Even in rebuild.
The reason the stallions attendance was horrible was because the AAF lasted like a season lol. Hardly anyone knew they existed out here since it was like a feeder league and there was virtually no marketing to it. But those who did loved the team. Attendance was actually growing near the end of the season.
Another thing is putting the team in Provo doesn’t make any sense. You’re making the attendance issue worse doing that having them out of the city. So transportation will be highly different with busses, trains and also traffic, plus you’re putting them in a more statistically Mormon area so you’ll probably be making attendance worse. SLC is a more prepared area for big events because they held the Olympics in 2002 so all of those things make the city more viable for a team.
Utah has actually prepared an area by the SLC airport that will be used for future stadiums if pro sports leagues do decide to move out here and also more area for the entertainment industry like concerts, restraunts, etc. So I could see more of that area for more pro teams since it will make travel and everything way more viable if teams come to play here.
I commented this elsewhere, but I agree. There’s no need to “get in” with the Mormon market. It really is a non-issue, there are plenty people, religious or not, who will be faithful (like what I did there?) fans of a team was here. Concerts are consistently selling out at the Delta Center, even on Sundays.
There’s a lot of recent talk about major league teams making their way here and it’s about time, honestly.
NFL would do fine in Utah. I think just about everyone here wants it. Sundays aren't as big of an issue as people think. There is a large enough non-Mormon population alone to overcome that. The biggest issue is sponsorship money. We already have the Jazz and it looks like an MLB and or NHL team are on the way. I don't know if there is enough money in this market to support all that. But fans won't be a problem. Especially since NFL plays only 9 home games per year.
The NFL should put Teams in St.louis, San Antonio, San Diego, Oakland, Salt Lake Utah, Birmingham, Virginia Beach, Raleigh, NC, Orlando, Hartford CT,
Agree!
Oakland won't get any more professional teams until there's a decent stadium and infrastructure. The stadium that the A's and Raiders shared is, to put it bluntly, the worst stadium in professional sports.
A Virginia Beach team would be such a good addition, it would be so close to Norfolk, Newport News, Hampton and Chesapeake, and could probably pull fans from as far as Richmond as well. Could be a huge market, and would finally bring a single major sports franchise to Virginia proper.
Bro really said Hartford Connecticut instead of Portland and there is also the panthers for NC
El paso!! (I live here and its so fucking boring lmao) jk we'd probably be the saddest excuse of a city for a nfl team
You should probably change the title to "Where I want the NFL to expand to." A few things:
1. The Chargers, for better or worse, CANNOT leave LA for 20 years. Either San Diego gets a new team, or they wait.
2. Oakland has proven that they are incapable of sustaining teams in ANY league.
3. Texas is the fastest-growing state, with the fastest-growing metropolis (Austin). This state can easily support two more teams, in San Antonio and Austin.
4. St. Louis and Portland make sense. Birmingham is intriguing. Not the biggest market, but it would be the first pro league in the state, and I think football is the one sport that could pull that off there, given the football culture there.
The problem with adding so many teams is that it would dilute the quality of play in the NFL
Yeah there's not even close to enough talent for 8 teams. Some positions are a little slim even for adding two teams but adding two would probably be fine. Adding 2 starting QBs and 2-4 more backups would press some of the better backup QBs into starting roles. Could help add value to the running back position since there is excess talent at the position, there would be 6 more RBs on rosters which could help better ones stand out, oline and defensive talent would get stretched further resulting in the RB having a greater effect on the success of run plays as opposed to now where blocking outcomes are much more important. Cornerback and pass rushing talent would be stretched which could result in lesser QBs having better outcomes which may actually improve the competitiveness of the league.
Haven't some of the rules the league has instituted within the last few years already negated the fact that you need a lot of talent in many of the positions?
One thing I'll say about a Portland team (which, imo, is one of the most compelling) is that the colour needs to be Green. The ducks and the timbers (who theyd share a stadium with) are both green, and I think the "breakers" branding just didn't hit. I'd go for the Portland Lumberjacks, or Bigfoots, or Mountainmen, or something like that. I'd go green and orangey-brown (thus a homage to both the Ducks and the Beavers, as well as staying similar in colour scheme to the timbers.
Yes, green and brown, with perhaps a gray (overcast skies) being the third color.
Portland Anarchists?
@@vulture3874 I like that! Whats the inspo?
These are some good ideas. Another idea to start expansion would be to add four teams in one division, call it the Regional Division, and focus it on markets. Each year two of the teams will contend in the AFC, the other two in the NFC, and the next year they swap. The teams could be:
- North Tundra (Montana and the Dakotas)
- Western Traverse (Oregon, Idaho, and Wyoming)
- Central Plains (Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma)
- Southern Gulf (Arkansas, Alabama, and Mississippi)
Then you create teams for markets and states that might not support them on their own, and build up fanbases and interest in those areas
Portland, Oregon - The metro area has 2,511,612 (2020) people. Oregon Ducks are 4th in PAC 12 attendance (49,468). And the city only has one Big Four team (NBA), so the market is untapped. They would have a logical rival with the Seattle Seahawks - the battle of the Pacific Northwest would be crazy exciting!
St. Louis, Missouri - The metro area has 2,809,299 (2020) people. St. Louis Battlehawks are the highest attended XFL team (35,104). And the city only has two Big Four teams (NHL, and MLB), so the market is under saturated. They would have a logical rivalry with the Kansas City Chiefs, and the battle of Missouri can come back to the NFL. In 2015 the St. Louis Rams came up with a viable stadium plan to keep the team, but the owners approved relocation to Los Angeles, despite fan protests.
San Diego, California - The metro area has 3,276,208 (2020) people, making San Diego the second largest market in the United States without an NFL team. San Diego is also across the border from Tijuana, Mexico, and Tijuana has a population of 2,157,853 (2020) people. And there is no NFL to represent Southern California-Mexican border anymore. If the NFL wants to expand into the Mexican market, San Diego is 30% latino, so this might be an option to grow the sport with Mexican fans, and it would give the 3.2 Million people in San Diego their team back. There would be natural rivalries with the Los Angeles Rams, and especially with the Los Angeles Chargers.
San Antonio, Texas or Austin, Texas - The San Antonio metro area is 2,601,788 (2020) and the Austin metro area is 2,421,115 (2020). This is football country. San Antonio is the largest market in the United States without an NFL, and it's only 1 hour and 30 minutes to Austin, Texas (the third largest market in the United States without an NFL team). This area is a no brainer. San Antonio has one Big Four team (NBA) and Austin has zero Big Four teams. This is the most under utilized market available to the NFL. University of Texas in Austin averages (91,938) per game, while Texas A&M (half way between Austin and Houston) averages (98,407) per game. This team would would have rivalries with the Dallas Cowboys and with the Houston Texans to determine who is the best football team in all of Texas.
Toronto, Ontario - The metro area has 6,202,225 (2020) people, that's 1,179,322 more people than San Antonio and Austin combined. Toronto is the largest market in Canada, or the US without an NFL team. Canada invented football in 1861, so they have a history. Toronto has great NFL TV ratings (4th in North America; Toronto-Hamilton 8.3 million viewers). Plus Toronto already has a team in the MLB, MLS, NHL and NBA. It has 6.2 Million people (2021) just waiting for a team. And it would have geographic rivals with the Buffalo Bills and the Detroit Lions.
It feels like those cities cannibalize each other though. Like neither city can have all of the big 3, so they split the difference lol.
@@Stand_By_For_Mind_Control It took me a minute to understand. Toronto has big 3 - Leafs, Raptors, Jays and 6.2 million people (Buffalo is only 1.1 million people by comparison).
Toronto (and maybe San Antonio/Austin) are the best locations for the NFL to expand.
A great idea I came up with for an 18 game season is to mandate players sit for 4 full halves of games however that can be attained and would add an insane strategy dynamic of when to rest your stars. Players hate having g to play 17 games an I feel this would make owners and players happy
Partely agree, though I think it could happen naturally. The video also mentions having an extra bye week. I think this is an absolutely must. The NFL did it before, but TV networks hated it, and revenue dropped. But in the future NFL will be playing on almost all days of the week (maybe not Saturday, due to college), and I can easily see rest weeks happening around such an expanded schedule.
How about instead keep it at 17 and have every team be required to play a neutral site game
@@Z64sports given the NFL's increasing focus on doing international games, I feel the natural conclusion that we're headed toward is every team doing 1 game abroad per year. This would make 8 at home, 8 away, 1 international game for a neutral site.
@Z64sports , the big reason players don't want an 18-game season with only one bye week is because of the strain football causes on the body. A second bye week for an 18-game season would be an absolute must. But I do like the idea of a neutral site game.
@@Z64sportsI thought this would make sense when the 17 game season was introduced, and tbh as a European NFL fan I think 16 overseas games each season would probably be more feasible than a London or MX team
id love to see the nfl come to canada. toronto and montreal would be such a cool expansion, toronto for obvious reasons but montreal fans have a real die hard following for all their sports teams, and with the nfl’s branding ability they could definitely get a really solid fan base in montreal
San Diego has built a new stadium. Expandable to 75,000
No new division per conference is needed. Make it 20 regular season with 2 by weeks.
Austin won't work due to Texas Longhorns.
Birmingham built a new stadium 2 years ago. 72,000 seats I think.
The problem with 20 weeks is injuries. At this number of games, you could find a team where half the starting QBs at the beginning of the season, are injured and out come playoff time.
And not just QBs, obviously. Granted, you would have to expand rosters to 60 players, plus double the practice squads. But this doesn't solve the problem of deep talent. Does anyone want to see a playoff game between the Chargers and Bengals, where Easton Stick battles Trevor Simeon...because both teams starters got hurt?
San Antonio-Austin is the single best market in the world for an NFL team lol...like sorry the Texas Longhorns exist....but a $4 billion dollar NFL team is worth more
@@PhilAndersonOutside You don’t want to see anyone get injured, but look at the league this year. They have started over 55 QBs due to injury and people still watch.
@@sampicanoJJ will never let another team in Texas.
@@PhilAndersonOutsideIt could be done if they go to one game in the preseason and give two byes during the season.
Very well put together video, guy deserves more subs
As a texan fan, if theres a team going to san antonio and okc i wouldnt mind seeing the afc south be houston, dallas, san antonio, okc, and kc. Keeps everything close and the rivalries between the 3 tx teams would get heated as well as kc, okc, and dallas. Keeps the travel to a minimum. Id like to see the whole league go to more of a true regional divisions vs how spread it is now
Regional yes. Gonna happen never.
Any options for Toronto or Montreal?
The only problem with putting an NFL team in Canada is that it would kill the CFL
just a question would it be possible to push the nfl into Canada kinda like the NBA did or is it not something that's doable?
I’d rather not
I want to see Toronto fail at another sport please@@primeconor
The CFL is too strong to allow a FL Team to play in Canada, and the pay in Canadian currency would be a slight problem.
The Virginia Beach area would be a killer spot for a new team. It’s a huge population center with Norfolk, Newport News, Hampton, and Chesapeake all within ~30 minutes, and they’d probably pull fans from as far a Richmond as well. Plus Virginia technically has no major sports franchises in the state, so the citizens would probably be elated to finally get one.
YESSS!!!
From that area and it's been begging for a professional sports team for near 30 years. And as far as football goes it would fit geographically with the AFC north, the afc south, the nfc east or nfc south.
Combined with the initiative that has been proposed to incorporate the "7 cities"(Newport News, Hampton, Norfolk, va beach, portsmouth, suffolk, and Chesapeake) into a larger city called Hampton Roads (kinda like Los Angeles is).... it's an area perfectly suited for an expansion in any professional sports market.
Yes that and nj we need more teams
Putting a team in between Washington and Charlotte might be a good idea
@@erieperi01you already have two teams just because they are called New York doesn’t mean they play there
Living in the Northwest, its always frustrating having literally everyone in the country ignore us. The hawks are the only reason anyone's ever heard of us. We might as well be Alaska.
Great vid! I am curious as to how you view a potential Toronto based team
Wouldn’t work with all the Bills fans in Ontario.
Frankly, Chargers to Ciudad de Mexico makes more sense than Chargers to San Diego. Honestly tho, they deserve contraction. The difference between Spanos and Thanos? Thanos only wanted to kill half the Chargers fan base, Spanos wanted to kill all of it. Also, in the end, Thanos failed, and Spanos did not 😂
Also, Oakland does not deserve to have nice things
A chance for an Elvis mascot too. “You ain’t nothing but a hound dog”
Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, SA/Austin, Louisville, Portland, St Louis, and San Diego. One team added to each division. 20 Regular season games. 16 playoff teams. No preseason. 2 bye weeks. 10 division games. 5 games against a rotating division in the conference. 5 in a rotating division out of conference. My final controversial rule: Players are only allowed to play in 16 games total with the exception of Kicker and Punter. They get paid the same money as they do now. The additional revenue goes to an expanded roster of 67 players. Teams must strategically choose when to bench starters.
Here are my top 10 relocation cities and team names:
1. San Antonio Spartans (my personal favorite)
2. OKC Rattlers
3. Salt Lake City Badgers
4. San Diego Fleet (AAF rights purchased)
5. St. Louis Bulldawgs
6. Orlando Apollos (AAF rights purchased)
7. Portland Mountain Lions
8. Birmingham Iron (AAF rights purchased)
9. Oakland Gladiators
10. Sacramento Condors (Madden NFL expansion rights)
I got a few for you how about the Memphis Hound dogs. The Austin Bulls and the El Paso outlaws
Yes you hog 8 teams in your states. How bout louisville gets one since Kentucky has 0 sports teams at all
I think if the NFL ever considers expansion, it’s looking international. I think Toronto deserves a spot somewhere
Eastern Ontario is mostly Bills country, with a few Lions fans, mostly in Windsor. Toronto is mainly a Bills City, so I really don’t see the fans there converting.
A+, great video. keep it up
Priciate it g
Fun video. I love concept videos with possibilities
You should subscribe then
I believe that Birmingham, Memphis and Omaha would be great additions to the NFL, as Tram locations. Zero Trams near Alabama and They could play at the University of Alabama until Their stadium was built, or work it out. Memphis would be a shoe in, but since they’ve got the Nashville Tennessee Titans, it might not happen. Omaha, Nebraska is a great choice because of the Fan base for Football and they could use the University of Omaha stadium, just work it out. The 2 nearest Teams a in that area is Denver Broncos and Kansas City Chiefs, that’s a huge gap. In Omaha the Fans would fill the seats in the Stadium.
Omaha would fill a massive gap. Agree
I also thought if Oklahoma City
From a man who comes from there. Alabama is definitely a football state a NFL in a city like Birmingham would be majorly successful.
If the league expands again it will test international markets and put at least 1 team in Canada and 1 team in Mexico City. With that said I do not think the league expands again any time soon, I think they will first try to create a true minor league system by supporting and funding either the Spring League or the proposed new D1 Subdivision.
NFL cannot expand into Canada, the Bills Toronto Series is the closest the NFL will get. The WFL tried in the mid 1970s and Parliament came close to passing a law granting the CFL a monopoly. (Canadian Football Act 1974). The original USFL thought about it in 1983 and immediately Canadian MPs threatened to reintroduce the act.
Dude Mexico is a football/soccer nation nobody would care about American football in Mexico.
Toronto Ontario would be a huge massive success for the NFL. Massivie Cowboys, Steelers and Bills following here.
Great video! I strongly agree with you on Portland and Oklahoma City. Great choices. I think Albuquerque could get behind a football team. I've lived there twice and people are either Bronco, Cowboy, or Steeler fan. I think having San Antonio be in a different conference than the Cowboys would make for an interesting rivalry.
Moving the chargers back to SD is the popular move.
Keep the NFL at 32 teams. Have an 8-team minor league. To oppose tanking, have a Tank Bowl during the bye between the Super Bowl and the Conference Championships. The winner gets the #1 draft pick, while the loser gets relegated into the minor league, where its champion gets the #2 draft pick. This may cause teams to switch divisions but it will be for the best.
Good idea gives players on the last year of their contracts to show out one last time
Ideally I'd like to see NFL Europe come back and a few inter-league games a year. But I'm skeptical that there's enough talent around to make that a reality.
Speaking to the original premise...
Adding 8 new teams does keep the existing divisions balanced, but that's a lot of teams to add all at once. Although 18 games does work out (your own division members twice each [8 games] + two other divisions [10 games])
Its possible to add only 4 teams and still keep a good balance. You just have to restructure the divisions - two conferences, with two divisions, each with 9 teams. Each plays their entire division once (8 games) and another division's teams once each (9 games) for a total of 17 games. What I like about this is that you eliminate the problem of weak division winners (e.g. 8-9) getting a top-seed playoff berth. As I write this, the worst of the top 4 teams between AFC and NFC is looking at maybe a 12-5 record, which is clearly a winning team. The other 10 slots would still be rounded out with wildcards.
I agree. It might be better to do it in two phases. Add four teams in 2030 and four more in 2034.
Louisville Stallions, Oklahoma Tornadoes, Omaha Wolves, St Louis Pumas, Portland Owls, New Mexico Rattlesnakes, Virginia Vipers, Mississippi Rivers
I think some of the easiest options that get overlooked are teams in Canada. You could pretty easily justify putting a team in both Toronto and Vancouver, and even potentially some other cities. Assuming that the Vancouver team is placed in a western division, and the Toronto one in the north, travel times shouldn't be that much worse than some teams already experience.
NLF has an understanding with the CLF not to expand into Canada. NFL has never wanted to expand to Canada but that may or may not be changing.
Toronto is Bills territory and Vancouver is Seahawks territory. It wouldn’t have the support that an NFL should have.
@@Orto4956 I can say the same thing about any other teams with possible expansion areas. Adding teams to the league means you are going to get people to switch allegiances. The best way to do that is probably having Canadian teams, it would add a sense of patriotism for people to support them.
Oh great idea, let's also put a team in Guatemala City while we're at it.... 🙄
@@dgv646 idk what your problem is
I became a chargers fan when they moved to LA but I work in San Diego once a week so I’m still in favor of moving them back down. Look at the padres attendance this year! They can definitely support another pro team
They've also talked about expanding teams to Mexico City, and over in Europe. That's one of the reasons they play games over in London EVERY YEAR
I think the most likely expansion would be the addition of a European division of 4 teams
I like the idea of the XFL and the USFL doing a merger of sorts and a small expansion to some cities that could use a NFL team but may be to lacking in enough support for a full on NFL expansion to them. I don't feel there is enough talent of the caliber the NFL requires and these smaller markets could field capable teams for XFL/USFL play. America could sure use a spring league that is viable and could stick around.
I don't think the XFL and USFL need to merge. They are both minor leagues, and so far able to turn a profit as the are. What I would however like to see, is one week of each season be an "inter-league" game. Say, the St. Louis Battlehawks vs. the Birmingham Stallions. I think this would generate huge interest, and a lot more fans than what either are getting now.
Yes, I know, different rules, and the leagues don't overlap that much. But this would not be hard to overcome with future planning.
As a Dolphins fan I wouldn't mind us being in the afc south
As a Canadian i pray every year that the NFL expands into Canada and puts an end to the joke of the league that is the CFL
0:31 I actually agree on the Chargers back in San Diego (I didn't deserve the L.A. torture they had since 2016 by being in the Rams shadow)
Teams have to play too many games in a season which is why a significant percentage of teams are playing backup QBs. Injuries play too much of a factor in recent years. Years ago it was only a 12 game season. I think the league should keep the current 18 week season but give each team 3 bye weeks so each team plays 15 games.
I found it interesting that you didn’t put a team in Columbus because you said it was too close to the Bengals. As a person that lives in Columbus, I see a more people rooting for the Browns than the Bengals, so I’d say a Columbus team would interfere more with Cleveland’s market oddly enough.
I have an issue with having more than two teams in any state. I realize that Florida, New York and California are big states, but three is too many. I wouldn't be happy with an additional team in Texas for the same reason as they already have two teams.
Yeah, the trend for the NFL seems to be expanding outside the US. There is a distinct possibility of an expansion team popping up in London, and also Frankfurt. Toronto and OKC would be on the list too.
I feel like Albuquerque gets overlooked a lot in these types of discussions. An NFL team would do very well there, but they would have to build a new stadium
Wasn't that a gag on The Simpsons?
@@vulture3874 the simpsons have done it all so that wouldn't surprise me
I would love the Jets back into Queens and have a new team share MetLife with the Giants, but the new team is nominally a New Jersey team, like how the New Jersey Devils are in the NYC market but still represent all of NJ
Nah fuck that just have the giants be New Jersey
YES
“Tennessee is three hours from Memphis”
Brother Memphis is IN Tennessee
Cities I would personally pick, no particular order
Toronto
Albuquerque
El Paso
Memphis
Oklahoma City
Birmingham
Portland
St Louis
Honorable mentions for me would be
Lexington
Omaha
San Antonio
I would start with going back to East, Central, West Divisions. Six teams each. That way we only expand four teams (two in each conference). After a while, when it makes to expand again, we can move back to the East, North, South, West alignment.
I'm disappointed you didn't discuss the opportunities globally. The fact that international games are quite successful tends to lead to the obvious conclusion that it will happen at some time. This will be good to put American Football on an international stage and if spread out evenly will even out the possible impact of time zone differentials.
Aside from Canada and Mexico, there is no chance in hell of an NFL team succeeding.
No. Fuck other countries. They shit on American Football constantly. They don't deserve a team.
Utah needs an NFL team, we have an MLS and NBA team and have so many football fans but no home team
AFC East... Toronto, built in rivalry with Buffalo plus Boston and New York. Then I would put the Portland team in Vancouver. Still get the Seattle rivalry and a bigger city + venue
I'm surprised you wouldn't consider 36 before 40. With 2 conferences of three 6-team divisions you would have plenty of paths to a logical schedule format.
One possible alignment:
AFC East: Buffalo, New England, NY Jets, Miami, Jacksonville, Indianapolis
AFC Central: Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Tennessee, San Antonio
AFC West: Kansas City, Denver, Las Vegas, LA Chargers, Houston, Portland
NFC East: NY Giants, Philadelphia, Washington, Dallas, Carolina, Atlanta
NFC Central: Detroit, Chicago, Green Bay, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, Birmingham
NFC West: Seattle, San Francisco, LA Rams, Arizona, New Orleans, St. Louis
You could also go with an imbalanced 4 division split to not mess up the south too much, but the scheduling would be a bit rougher to do:
AFC East: Buffalo, New England, NY Jets, Miami
AFC North: Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincinnati
AFC South: Jacksonville, Indianapolis, Tennessee, Houston, San Antonio
AFC West: Kansas City, Denver, Las Vegas, LA Chargers, Portland
NFC East: NY Giants, Philadelphia, Washington, Dallas, Carolina
NFC North: Detroit, Chicago, Green Bay, Minnesota, St. Louis
NFC South: Tampa Bay, Atlanta, New Orleans, Birmingham
NFC West: Seattle, San Francisco, LA Rams, Arizona
I've actually said, ever since the Raiders moved to Vegas that they should drop the name Raiders and give it back to the state of California, if not the city of Oakland specifically.(side note: I've been a Kansas City Chiefs fan since 1992, so that rivalry is big for me.) if that happens, what do you think the Vegas team should be re-named?
Gamblers probably
@@primeconor that would make perfect sense.
@@ColeKeleher gamblers were/are a USFL team so there’s football history plus ya know Vegas
The Vegas 'legitimate businessmen'.
@@primeconor I was just thinking about that the other day, actually
Indianapolis BELONGS IN THE AFC NORTH NOT THE EAST. They are closer in travel to the teams of the AFC North. Move Baltimore to the East
I hate to tell you this Baltimore is closer to Pittsburgh than Indianapolis is. Baltimore is 244.4 Miles from Pittsburgh vs 359.4 miles from Pittsburgh to Indy. But the 2 Ohio based teams the Bengals and Browns are closer to Indy than Baltimore and Pittsburgh are. Plus Ravens and Steelers have one of the best rivalries in the NFL with the Ravens so the NFL wouldn't want to break that up. Plus all 4 teams have rivalries with each other too. Also Indy has already established their rivalries with the AFC South teams already.
my bet is the next 4 expansion cities are primarily international: London, Frankfurt, Mexico City, and in the US, San Antonio. If you want to go to 40, it's St. Louis, Oklahoma City, San Diego, and likely Amsterdam or another northern European city.
It would cost way too much money for travel expenses alone and the players, not to mention the time difference.
If Orlando got a NFL team, I'd want them to be named the Leatherheads,
named after the many Alligators we have in central Florida, and maybe a tribute to the College Football team the Florida Gators, or the Apollos/Rockets, named in relation to the Kennedy Space Center in Cape Canaveral. Another cool name I could kinda see being done would be something having to do with Medieval themes in tribute to the College football team the UCF Knights, like crusaders or paladins.
It would be funny if they put a team in a random-ass place like Rochester, NY lol
Big fan of the idea of a NFL team in OKC as someone from Oklahoma born and raised there is a ton of football support, with people usually opting for the Chiefs so having our own team would give us some individuality and some maybe rivalry with Dallas? Idk but it would be cool
I could see OKC getting a team. Nebraska could work too. Omaha Outlaws!
New Orleans breakers but you taught me something I didn’t know the Breakers played in Portland
And Boston too, that’s where they started. 3 seasons 3 cities
I think the NFL should expand back to St. Louis. Various reasons explain, they should move the Colts. Indianapolis has no reason to have an NFL team, while St. Louis is quite bigger and has more major league sports teams.
I like the expansion to 40. 18 games season, 2 bye weeks. 20 weeks total.
But I'd include international teams over some of those cities.
Mexico into nfc south.
Toronto into nfc north
London into nfc east.
Germany into afc east.
Portland into nfc west.
Oklahoma into afc west.
St. Louis into afc north
Alabama into afc south
I like all the ideas, but one suggestion, a Toronto team should absolutely be in the AFC East, cause a lot of people in south Ontario are Bills fans and the FUCKIN’ HATE the patriots already.
So this would create two instant rivalries, with the new Toronto fans vs the Toronto Mafia and Toronto V New England.
The Ravens shouldn’t be in the AFC North let alone adding teams that you’re describing.
Hell no to all international teams that add timezones not already part of the schedule. Ya, I k know, NFL plays games in Europe and elsewhere and I hate every second of it.
I don’t think any teams should go beyond the north american border because that’s just too much and too complicated
The Dolphins originally were suppose to be moved into the AFC South along with the Titans, Jags and Texans. That was the original plan by the NFL. But the owner of the Miami Dolphins at the time, Wayne Huizenga, wanted Miami to keep its traditional rivaly between the Bills and Jets going, so the NFL gave in to his command and put the Dolphins in the AFC East and Indy in the AFC South. It makes soooo much more sense to put Indy in the East and Miami in the South, I agree, but I also agree with not giving up the Jets and Bills rivalry. Im a Dolphins fan, so I know this, but ive always said the Dolphins would of done a lot better in the last 20 years if they were in the AFC South. Think about the AFC East in the last 20 years, just being dominated by Brady and the Patriots, sure Miami beat the Pats more than any other AFC East team, but they still beat us more than we beat them. Look at the AFC South the last 20 years, during that stretch the Dolphins could of won that division more times the the amount of times they won the AFC East in the last 20 years. Neither the Jags, Titans or Texans have been as truly dominant as the Pats have in the last 20 years, just saying the AFC South has been a lot more wide open than the AFC East has been, giving the possibility that Miami could of won that division more times than they won the AFC East, which has been like once in the last 20 years.
Honestly I think Dallas was supposed to be in the nfc south but Jerry Jones cited the same reasons as Miami not wanting to give up the rivalries with the Giants, Eagles and Commanders/Redskins
I figured Colts should be afc north and ravens afc east and dolphins afc south it makes more sense to me geographically wise
I would love the Phins to be in the AFC south.
I feel like the colts would fit better in the AFC north, they already have a decent rivalry with the Steelers and Anthony Richardson and Lamar Jackson I feel would have a good rivalry naturally based on their play styles.(I know you made the video before the draft but with knowing what I know now) plus geographically it makes sense. afc south even without the colts could be better with receiving 2 new teams based on the fact that it’s a fairly competitive division this season, plus adding the Memphis team in the same division as the titans would be good for marketing as well. You might be able to add the dolphins to the afc south but I feel the bills would end up owning the east based on playing the jets, pats, and 2 new teams, and have better stats than they actually should have dipping the new teams popularity. Instead maybe(without any research) a Maine team or ignore the geography part and add one other the other teams you mentioned. Hope than made sense, as a colts fan it’s always bothered me we are afc south and not north with how close we are to them and I feel the expansion would justify a switch.
My ideas for expansion teams are: Salt Lake City blizzards ( yeti mascot) , Virginia vipers , Toronto tigers , San Antonio pumas , and London redcoats/ monarchs
7:01 "Tennessee is 3 hours away from Memphis-"
Isn't... Memphis... in Tennessee?
When I said Tennessee I was referring to the Tennessee Titans who play in Nashville
I don’t know…4 teams in Cali? And adding teams to states that already have teams? I’d love to see the Chargers back in San Diego. And I’d love to see the USFL and XFL
get absorbed by the NFL. I think a team in Alabama could produce a good rivalry with the Falcons in Georgia given that the two states biggest college football programs, the Crimson Tide and the Bulldogs respectively. But the NFL mainly needs to expand to new states and particularly to the Midwest. and I just…I feel like the NFL should focus on expanding elsewhere in the US.
I think its good as it is. Remember last time a league expanded so much? It was the MLS. Horrible sport league.
Cringe profile pic.
@@user-hm1zb8js5i I have Ukrainian family members, asshole.
@@user-hm1zb8js5iyou cannot speak about profile pictures.
Colts n Miami changing divisions makes sense i never knew why they did it like that in first place
San Diego, St Louis, Birmingham, Albuquerque, Salt Lake City, Louisville, Oklahoma City, Portland
What about adding some foreign teams like Toronto and Vancouver? Both have decent stadiums already and large populations. Or maybe even London, UK? I think it would be a logistical nightmare, but any team moving to London would be popular
Negative, football is an American sport . Please stop this ridiculous idea of Canada, Mexico, and the UK!!
@zekeonstormpeak4186 you might want to look at where the sport was invented.
@@zekeonstormpeak4186Then how do you explain the Toronto Blue Jays. I’d argue baseball is more historically and culturally considered “Americas sport” yet one of the biggest franchises is in Canada.
It’ll never happen, but a team in Toronto would easily do 10 times better than a team in some shit city like San Diego, Orlando, St Louis or Sacramento
@@picklenik9658 Orlando a shit city? You sir, are speaking of the theme park capital of the world…
@@zekeonstormpeak4186
"football is an American sport"
Well, Canada invented football you dumb dumb. 1861. Toronto.
"The earliest recorded instance of gridiron football occurred at University of Toronto's University College in November 1861"
Wasn't dumb Texans. They invent barbeque sauces.
If you're going to do an 8-team expansion without going overseas. You definitely need a few teams outside the US I think. Oklahoma/Texas area being over-saturated with teams is not a good idea. (5 teams if you count the Saints in Louisiana) I do love moving the Chargers back to San Diego, they never should've left. No new team in Oakland though, they did that to themselves honestly. You keep Miami and Indy in the AFC East and South respectively
NFC East - Toronto. You need to get into Canada with at least one team. And having a natural rivalry with NYC and Toronto (NHL O6 rival) could be something big
NFC North - I do love the idea of having St Louis getting a new expansion
NFC South - Putting a team in AL does make sense because of fans passion, but geographically, it doesn't, you're in the middle of 4 teams geographically (Atlanta, Jacksonville, Tennessee, New Orleans). If you put any team in the NFC South, it should be somewhere like Memphis (yes, I know, just stated that exact argument against Birmingham, AL, but Memphis is a much bigger city)
NFC West - Portland geographically makes perfect sense, you could also put a team in Salt Lake City as mentioned in your video
AFC East - hear me out on this one, this is to build an I-95 division basically (pretty much what the AFC East is outside Buffalo), Savannah, GA or Charleston, SC.
Either team could be the natural rival to the NFC team in that state (Falcons for GA, Panthers in NC)
AFC North - another team in Canada, Calgary or Winnipeg would make the most sense geographically as they have the population centers. Probably Winnipeg as it is closer geographically to the other 4 teams
AFC South - Mexico City. Nothing else needs to be said.
AFC West - There are a couple of options here. If you go with Salt Lake in the NFC West, Portland as a Conference-regional rival with Seattle makes perfect sense, as Seattle originally was an AFC West team. You could also go the international route and have a Border War Battle and put a 3rd team in Canada with a team in Vancouver
Adding one expansion team to each division is a decent idea:
My cities for each division
AFC East = Orlando Mystics
AFC North = Louisville Ranchers
AFC South = Austin Bats
AFC West = San Diego Tidals
NFC East = Columbus Crusaders
NFC North = St. Louis Archers
NFC South = San Antonio Sentinels
NFC West = Portland Timbers
Oklahoma, Huntsville Al, Memphis, Omaha, Louisville, Austin TX, Portland, St. Louis, San Diego, Raleigh nc
I feel St. Louis should get a team first after having lost two in the past. Also I think Oakland should get one next. Any other cities that lost teams should have first consideration. Those cities were devastated emotionally and financially by losing their teams.
Good idea with St. Louis so we can take a 3rd team from them 😂😂
STL just isn’t a sports city. I wouldn’t give them another team.
@@photonfartsqueeze6694 I beg your pardon. We are supporting the Battlehawks big time. 😊
St Louis is a pretty great sports city.
They’ve had two awful, saboteurs as NFL owners…but the Cardinals, Blues, and City SC (and StL FC before them) are all very well supported relative to their leagues.
The problem with St.Louis is that it’s a dying city. And downtown somehow isn’t yet bad enough to convince the suburban folks that are afraid to go into downtown for more than two blocks around the stadiums and arenas that they need to fix the city/county problem that they need to fix before it can actually get sustainably better.
The *last* thing St. Louis needs to spend money on is another goddamned NFL team, but that has nothing to do with it being a bad fanbase or sports city and everything to do with the fact that it’s a broken city in need of heavy investment in far more worthwhile things than a football team.
Give St Louis another team but have the stadium in Fenton anywhere but downtown.
Orlando shows up for the Guardians, the stadium didn’t sell tickets for one side of the stadium for some reason
that last one would be an expensive travel cost, maybe somewhere in upper new england would work?
I’d like to see the following Teams in the Expansion NFL : Albany Firebirds, Birmingham Stallions, Memphis Hound Dogs, Oakland Invaders, Omaha Black Knights, Portland Breakers, Salt Lake City Vipers, St Louis Stampede, (New Mexico Aztecs,) just to cover places that don’t have a Team. Teams could play in nearby Universities to play football. And Fans would definitely want to see Their Teams playing Football there. I avoided States with Teams like California and Texas, New York only has one Team the Buffalo Bills, the other Teams play in New Jersey. Placing Teams in States without NFL Teams. This would benefit the most for the NFL.
If there ever happened to be a team in Omaha be fitting that Peyton Manning would own the team
Edit: Also as a Raider fan living in the Bay area, if the NFL ever returned to Oakland I would ditch the Raiders to become a fan of the new Oakland team. I'm sure Ownership will get this team competing for the Raiders ever will again.
In the USA..I think San Diego & St Louis should get their NFL teams back..But the dam greedy former owners got in the way...Mayb Portland OR..or Salt Lake City..I mightv said San Antonio TX (but they hav trouble supportng an USFL team..2x now)..DAL Cowboys are the kings Texas..It’s a shame the Oilers left for NSH..Those “Luv Ya Blue” Earl Campbell late 70s & Warren Moon in early 90s teams were dam good..The Texans are re-buildng..yet again..Im a fan of the international NFL games..in London..Frankfurt/Berlin..Mexico City..
They did a few games in the Tokyo Dome in Japan in the 90s...I mean, Y call a NFL team “World Champs”..when they didnt even play or beat anybody from overseas ? That was always a pet peeve of mine..If the BFLO Bills or KC Chiefs beat the London Regals 👑or Tokyo Dragons 🐉 in the Super Bowl.. or evn durng the season..Then yes..U can then call yourselvs “World Champs”...Yes the timezone & logistics would be a pain in the ass..U already hav to get up at 9am to watch a game in London..Probably 7-8am for a Berlin game...But if its “our team”..We’ll set our alarm clocks ⏰ to be up in time to watch the game...I wish the Olympics would drop ballroom dancing or bad-minton or synchronized swimming..& replace them with Amer football (U get 4 yrs for coaches to learn the game/gameplan..rules & train your athletes/playrs)..Love for NFL football to catch on globally..Like FIFA & The World Cup soccer is now
San Antonio only had one USFL team, the Gunslingers. The owner was a crook, the franchise was mismanaged, and they played in a high school stadium that couldn't sell beer. San Antonio has consistently pulled 15k (average) for minor league ball. Put an NFL team here and they'll draw 60k... the prestige is what will draw... and the fact that NFL owners will be vetted to afford a team and committed to the franchise... and the league won't be at risk of folding between seasons. It's hard to be a fan of a new team when you never know if it'll be there next year.
As someone who lives in Birmingham I do think people would show up I most definitely would and I will say people do want an nfl team
Considering the enormous success of the international games there’s got to be a serious consideration of a London team. Call it the British redcoats - creates a natural rivalry with literally all the other teams just by doing that. For east coast teams it doesn’t really make much travel time difference compared to flying to the west coast either.
I could see Salt Lake getting a team but let them play in Salt Lake instead of Provo. It wouldn't work very well in Provo because of the people would attend the church services before any games, Check out how many games the Jazz play on Sunday at home. Thanks for thinking of Utah having a team, if they did, I'd suggest the Rocky Mountain Battalion.
That is an excellent point, it would be a good idea to get the BYU fans onboard as part of the marketing. I lived in SLC when the Stallions were there for like 2 weeks. The team wasn't really on anyone's radar, but UofU as well has a professional atmosphere.
Much like VEGAS, Salt Lake city ALREADY has a Triple-A team.
I've lived in Salt Lake City since 2019. It's becoming more and more crowded. We definitely can have an NFL team here. But I also hope the Chargers go back to San Diego.
This is cool, I think it's best to have expansion teams that don't already have a pre existing team they root for (ie even though Toronto isn't Buffalo it and most of Eastern Ontario are already solid Bills Country). For that criteria, I think Utah(isn't solidly Broncos or Chiefs country , and can also historically sell out tickets (notably St Louis (same as Utah, plus they've had an NFL team there and thus have proven that butts will be in seats if a team goes over there), and perhaps Birmingham or OKC(Alabama is football country so huge potential there).
Heres where i think they should expand, and what their team names should be.
Indiana Pipewaters. City: Richmond. Colors: blue and red. Placement: 29th
Crump Horses. State: Tennessee. Colors: green gray and purple. Placement: 40th
Los Angeles Nordics. Colors: blue and white. Placement 22nd
Vermont Kings. City: Montpelier. Colors: Yellow Pink and Purple. Placement: 12th
Fresno Boilers. Colors: blue and red. Placement: 25th
Massena Hydraters. State: New York. Colors: brown white blue and red. Placement: 23rd
Newark Independents. State: New Jersey. Colors: orange red and brown. Placement: 38th
Sacramento Dragons. State: California. Colors: purple pink and brown. Placement: 21st
No Toronto or Mexico City?
Just my opinion, but it's the National Football League, not the International Football League...
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Both have Canadian teams
Canadian government has held the position since the 70s that they will never allow an NFL team to set up in Toronto.. they think (probably rightfully so) that it would destroy the CFL. Mexico City is still too dangerous and that altitude would be a nightmare for players to deal with. Some players already have some issues with Denver’s altitude and I think Mexico City is something like twice or three times as high up.
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lol Oh don't forget the dumb Americans put the Toronto Blue Jays in the AMERICAN LEAGUE conference
American geography. Almost as frightening as American healthcare or American gun control laws.
San Antonio, Saint Louis, Salt Lake City, Portland, Oklahoma City, Sacramento, Orlando, Memphis
Anchorage could be a cool city to expand to and my friend suggested New Mexican Aztecs which is just such a good name I can’t deny it.
But the travel would suck
An NFL team in Montreal would be amazing. The Alouettes just won the CFL Grey Cup and people in Montreal went nuts when that happened. For a stadium, I think they could either do a serious expansion of the Stade Percival-Molson near McGill University (where their teams play already in Quebec’s version of the NCAA) or they should replace Olympic Stadium with something new.
Montreal is a really good sports city
Nicely done. I actually think Sacramento would be on board. We used to pack Sac City Hughes Stadium and Sac State Hornet Stadium for the Sacramento Surge of the world league Gold Miners for the failed CFL expansion to the USA and the Mountain Lions of the UFL.
I agree with someone who was a Raiders fan that stated they would not support a new team in Oakland unless you changed the name back to the Raiders and turned the Las Vegas Raiders into a different team name.
Sacramento on the other hand putting a team there I feel like more fans would get on board.
Obviously the old site of Arco would be cool we also have the old Railyard near downtown that we are trying to build a new Soccer Stadium for the Republic FC maybe a combination MLS/NFL stadium could be built.