Cross-Country EV Towing is a NIGHTMARE...Right? Here's My Experience in the VW ID.4!
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- ( www.alltfl.com/ ) Check out our new spot to find ALL our content, from news to videos and our podcasts! What is it actually like towing long distances with an EV? We've taken a few cracks at answering that question, but here's more insight from Grant and Felicia, who are traveling cross-country in a Volkswagen ID.4 while towing a trailer!
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Do you notice that this couple never complains about their experiences! They accept it and point out the pluses they experience instead! I love their attitude and wish them a safe journey! Patience is the most important thing to have an enjoyable trip! I learned that a long time ago when I drove commercial! I just wish everybody would too!
Nahhh give a measured experience and explanation that’s the whole point of the video. Don’t blow pass the hard stuff, it doesn’t help just to see them “positive” . You can be honest and balanced without it’s being “complaining” no toxic positive folx let’s not
@@LafemmebearMusicthere's plenty of that around. Videos like this are rare in the review space. Owners sharing ownership experience.
We went into this trip knowing patience was going to be 3x more important than any other trip. It definitely has helped make it less stressful.
It takes a special kind of person to put up with the hassle.
@@grant-taleckyeah, with the short range, it's gotta be about the journey and not the destination. Definitely not for everyone, but possible.
Hi everyone! It’s Grant, from the vid. If anyone has specific questions about our experience, feel free to comment them here and I’ll do my best to answer them in a wrap up video we do at the end of the trip.
why a scamp compared to other types of campers? my 05 caravan has only a 1k lbs towing capacity we ended up finding a motorcycle camper. aspen classic empty is 350lbs.
Do you think storing the bikes inside of the scamp would increase your range?
You should definitely look into getting a 32-40 amp mobile charger with a Nema 14-50 plug on it to charge overnight at RV spots. That would save you a ton of time to leave every morning with a full battery.
No wedding ring? What are you waiting for? You two seem great together.
Highly recommend getting a membership though KOA, Kampgrounds of America. They have full and partial hookups of electricity, sewage, and water. Great to charge your car and have comfort hookups for your camper. Some may not be picturesque like you want in a campground but I love staying at KOAs because of the hookups. And very convenient, they are everywhere and always dozens on your route.
Props to this couple. Making the best of what they have and loving it.
love this couple they have a great personality and they don't complain they just do it .
As an id4 owner, this has me looking up scamps for some reason....
Makes sense
Fantastic real-world review of traveling and towing with an everyday EV car. I must say the details revealed in this video give us hope that yes, an EV can do it with a proper sized trailer and a little thought. Well done!
Proper sized?
Check out Ed,s Garage,him and his wife in an Ioniq 6 also towing a small trailer went from Vancouver Canada across the country then down to new york city and then across the USA to southern California and back up north to Vancouver, a total of 9615 miles
I watched that, it was painful. I give props to these early adopters 😅
I tow with my ID4 alot as I have a camper rental buisness. 2 of my campers weigh 3000 pounds dry and this car does it in style. The one is tall and the other is more aerodynamic so one gets about 190 kms range and the other gets about 250 kms. My smaller pop up camper weighing 1500 pounds gets 300 kms of range. (all of these are on small highways where my max speed is 90 KPH). Here's the deal. The towing rating for the ID4 in Germany is 3500 pounds. The towing capacity in the US is 2700 pounds for the exact same car. In fact when they designed the car they said it could town up to 4200 pounds (AWD version), so this tells me and especially based on my experience, that the car is easily capable of towing what I am towing with.
I don't have issues whatsoever going to point A to point B to point Z in my ICE vehicle. All I have to do is stop at a gas station and fill up 2 minutes and keep going and I stop when I want to without having to worry about it. I gave up playing with electric cars when I was a kid.
Awesome! Reality, not the "Sustainability" la la land.
Awesome! I plan to travel with my Model Y and 13’ camper. About 1% per mile at highway speed. Rock solid and awesome towing experience so far. NC here. Holler when y’all get to the right coast 😉
Perfect video -- I have a 13' Boler (the Scamp is based on it) and I'm still trying to decide on which EV is best for my needs and range.
Towed with my ID 4 about 2000km round trip with about 2200lbs and bikes hangong pff the back....
Very similar experience. Stopped for 30 mins about every 150-190kms, played with kids at the park or ate food, kept going.
Great power for towing, regen braking is more than enough.
From the West coast, to I'm guessing Boulder, that's a lot of altitude gain. Mostly downhill or flat from there to say Tennessee. Should get somewhat better efficiency the rest of the way, for what it's worth.
This summer, my wife and i completed a 9500mile cross continent trip with our Hyundai Ioniq 6, while pulling a camper trailer.
I reached out to tflev, but they weren't interested.
I vlogged every day of the trip on my channel.
Great on these two for attempting something similar... Our experience was amazing.
I'll be honest, it stings a bit seeing this video.
Stupid question, but did your route take you by TFL HQ? These two were obviously in the neighborhood, and I can understand TFL not wanting to have to travel to meet up (if they weren't already traveling there).
that because no one wants a car like that
The ID4 appeals to me just for this reason (they had a wait at the time so I have a Kia Niro EV). I've done enough EV traveling that it's a comfortable routine to just get my napping and food breaks in during the charge. With a trailer that would be so much easier and more comfortable. I think if you're not in a rush, having to stop more often isn't the worst thing for a long road trip.
I would have thought that RV sites would have a 14-50 or TT-30 outlets for a charge. That's the way I'd go where possible.
I would love to hear how much their efficiency improves without the bikes. They should consider trying to either lower the bikes more behind the ID4 or extending the bikes closer to the trailer and building a wind skirt to direct the wind around the bikes. Maybe even building something that would hold the bikes behind the trailer.
Behind the trailer would be ideal, but I understand wanting the security of knowing the bikes are still attached. Lightweight campers can be bouncy.
And adding bikes to the back of such a small trailer reduces tongue weight which causes sway.
@@leenichols132 Not for a 2.5 ton vehicle. I doubt you would even notice the difference. Both bikes and the rack won't weigh more than 100-150 pounds.
@@ChristianElrod According to Scamp, trailer weighs 1500 lb dry. Tongue weight should be 150-225 lbs (10-15%). A trailer is just a big see-saw. Let’s assume the rear bumper is 25%closer to the axle than the hitch. So, 100 lbs on the rear bumper is 75 lbs off the hitch. If you start with 225 lbs on the hitch, you’re still OK. If you start with 150 lbs on the hitch, you’re too light. Your trailer will be unstable the faster you go. This assumes a dry trailer without food, clothing, water, etc. there’s plenty of CZcams videos that demonstrate what happens when you don’t have enough hitch weight. It all has to do with physics.
@@leenichols132 It all has to do with physics and a LOT of assumptions in your calculations. That axle is pretty far back on that trailer. I get your point though. Definitely something that would need to be tested if tried to make sure the weight balance is correct.
We tow our SAFARI CONDO ALTO 1723 trailer with out Model Y LR, don't notice its there, regenerating braking slows down both with the trailer electric brakes only coming on during a hard break. Loose about 50% of the range comparable to our ex Subaru Outback that lost 40% of its range. Get to electric sites with > 0% charge, plug in, next morning ready to go. Only down side is full Tesla charging stations, have to unhitch, other wise take up 3 stalls is lots of charges available.
If Kia and Hyundai is listening they could turn their Niro and Kona to an all wheel drive with a toll hook since those vehicles have ports upfront.
kia and hyunDIE ere junk
I feel bad for people that have major oil burning and trans issues at JUST 135,000 miles, and these folks like had those issues creep up well before that and just lived with it for a while.
drag increases exponentially with speed, anyone with a truck or other vehicle with large frontal x-sectional area sees that when driving empty going 60 vs 70mph
Their fault for not taking care of it
@@allentoyokawa9068 in the case of the couple in the video, oil burning can become common in Subaru boxer engines.
What issues will crop up with the VW at 135000 miles?
@@renebarrera5286 buddy with a 2015 GTI has had 2 seperate rust warranty claims, sunroof leaking, turbo replaced. Sunroof is leaking again outside of warranty and they say $2500 to replace so he's trading it in
Imagine that silverado pulling the bigger scamp. Talk about tow and go.
15 Stops (And how much time wasted charging) to charge SO FAR! What a waste of your VALUEABLE time. AND THEN TRAVELING LESS THAN 50 mph!
Notice they didn't tell you how much TIME they spent from Start to Destination?
And they "Saved" money cause it was "Free". They must not value themselves much.
No mention of how many hours during the trip were wasted sitting still at a charger. Most people on trips don’t have the time to waste waiting for a car to charge. I can easily get 400 miles between 10 minute gas stops.
Or less. If I pay at the pump I usually can fill from Empty in 3 minutes, then go another 600 miles. My God these KIDS don't value their time. If fun is charging a car for half your vacation, go for it. Me, I value my time.
I wouldn't want to have to plan every trip around where I can charge my vehicle. Seems stressful
It definitely takes a lot of planning. Hoping chargers become more prevalent so we don’t have to map it out with as much detail.
@grant-taleck Agreed. Nice job on the trailer, by the way. Safe travels and good luck if you're still on the road
IF you don't like the planing buy a Tesla. Been hearing that a lot.
3:27 I don’t know what that means. Is it good or bad? I thought it was kilowatts per 100 miles.
Love this type of content . Even if I know the answer.
This was so weird to watch, I too was looking to replace my Subaru outback, 190k miles, and test drove a bolt, then bought a id4 because of it's many advantages. I got mine used for 27k though.
What a nightmare having to make all those stops and wait the necessary amount of times for it to charge. That alone would prevent me from getting an EV.
Convinced me what I already knew. The EV has been around over 120 yrs. Not much progress so far.
They are not maximizing the charging speed by stopping with more then 10% of battery. And probably charging too long at slow speed
What i can see coming are new versions of fold down caravans as a way of reducing energy consuming drag and improving towing range a bit.
Having looked at videos of the old Esterels, they don't take too long to put fully up. So not a huge inconvenience for many.
Charging station infrastructure is also going to evolve to make allowances for vehicles towing.
The powers that be have deigned that EVs are the way of the future. Whether one likes it or not, they are here to stay, so infrastructure will have to evolve to meet the needs of the user.
Fossil fuel took a long time to develop a refuelling infrastructure.
EV infrastructure is in its infancy, only realistically starting to be developed in a serious way in the last 5 years.
Now far more EV models are on the market, moves are afoot to to massively build out the charging network, battery technology is improving all the time to improve range, but the human, especially if they have children, still needs a toilet or food break every couple of hours anyway.
It will be a while before the big pickup trucks capable of towing massive mobile homes over long distances are freely available, but in time, they will.
By 2035, not many people will be driving a petrol or diesel and by then, getting fuel for them may be as difficult as finding an EV charging station in a remote place is now.
It's really strange that after decades of hybrids we still don't have a PHEV truck. I really want a small pickup to tow a small camper but not deal with the 100-150 mile range towing at highway speeds with an EV. If I had a PHEV truck, I could do 90% of my driving around town on 50 miles of battery range then still tow on the weekend without having to worry about range or charging in the middle of nowhere.
Expect Toyota and probably Ford to in market with PHEV pickups within next two years. Stellantis is likely as well with Ram pickup brand.
Ford is bringing a PHEV Ranger for the 2025 model year, but just not for the US market for some crazy reason.
The only issue I have with PHEV is that none of them can fast charge, so on any trip you are gas only unless you can use a level 2 overnight at a motel, or campground or somewhere.
I think it could work at campgrounds since you could plug in the truck and then plug the camper into the truck
@@kenmcclow8963 I mean with a trailer, doesn't that just make more sense to stick with gas and level 2 on the trip? The new GLE 450e has a tow rating and DCFC fwiw but it ain't cheap.
@@tazeat one fill up with my Explorer is almost double the amount of electricity I use to drive my ID.4 for a month, so I’m looking forward to letting the gas car go. I have reservations for the the Silverado and Cybertruck and I could go back and order the Lightning Flash, but I wouldn’t mind being able to just use my ID.4 if I buy out the lease and add a receiver for my small trailer
You'd really take the time to disconnect the trailer half the time, wait and charge, to get just enough juice to go half or less the distance than just paying the extra $30-40 on a road trip to fill up a tank of gas in a couple minutes in a PHEV? Not like most PHEVs can charge very fast anyway...
And I mean in both cases you have to balance the energy cost with vehicle cost. Any of those BEV trucks are 80k+ which dwarfs any existing gas costs. 80k financed over 5 years is like 60 months of $1500 payments. Hopefully any new PHEV trucks will be cheaper than the big BEV trucks with 40k+ of battery costs, I mean that's kinda the point.
I drove from Ottawa Canada to Vancouver on the West coast and back in a Hyundai Kona. No problem whatsoever ( 9600 Km). Stayed in hotels sometimes with free overnight charging. Never had to wait for a charger. In Northern Ontario it was a little tricky with not to many chargers but there was one at Rogers pass BC where people were warned to gas up because there were no gas stations for another 150Km. Love what these 2 were doing towing their little trailer. Never worry about bedbug infested hotel rooms.. Awesome.
2--3 years from now, this range anxiety won't matter tbh. Maybe even late next year it will significantly improve.
I know it's constantly improving, do you think it will match gas in the next couple years? I'm holding out until range and infrastructure matches where gas is now.
When a car says 2200 lbs towing, doesn't that include not only the trailer weight, but all of the weight in the car and trailer? Including passengers not counting driver? This setup has to be close to or over the RWD's 2200 lbs limit .
It's always trailer weight. Whatever the hitch takes doesn't count.
Example; You can't tow a 2500 pound trailer with a vehicle that has a max towing of 2300 just because you have 200 pounds on the hitch.
It would definitely include the weight in the trailer, like water storage, or the bike rack and bikes. The weight in the vehicle itself would fall under payload, and would include the driver, passengers, everything else being carried in or on (if you had rooftop storage) the vehicle, plus 10% of the trailer weight. I'm not an expert by any means, but this is how I understand it to work. Also that 10% is a ballpark number that can change based on how the trailer weight is distributed.
Technically, or legally maybe, but I have seen videos of a dealer in Canada towing 6000 pound trailers with a Model 3 with no issues, so an EV can probably safely go a few pounds over with no issues. The extra weight increases the amount of regen you get. All I noticed when I towed near the weight limit with my Explorer is it takes longer to stop, so I plan for that.
@@lesalbro8880Actually, 10-15% must be on the hitch for stable towing. Less than that, and the trailer will easily start to sway above 60-65.
With the sad state of CCS charging this must really a pain!
Love the Scamper! Perfect for small road trips. IMO. I have that same solar motion detector light you are using on the door. lol As for the vehicle, meh. I still would not want to tow with an EV. As you pointed out, it is not idealistic. MPG range towing is never fun either. Cost is lousy anymore and range is reduced of course. However, the convenience of ICE going along the "interstates" far out weighs the inconvenient off the beaten path and extra time and as you say the "game" being played of where do I go next to find a charge station. IF one is retired, and does not mind spending tremendous amounts of time going from A to B to C to get to Z, then sure, go for it. Most of us don't have that kind of leisure time and mentality.
Driving at a high speed of 60 mph cross country? As someone who grew up and drove during the 55 mph speed limit. No way would I do this. Especially if I have a short time to get somewhere or only a 1-week vacation.
Can you imagine... 15 stops so far, then he doesn't say how long each charge time is, which I'm sure is well over an hour. Half your vacation just charging the "Sustainable" Car!
They’re doing it for science and for the rest of us who would love to do a trip like that one day. 😂😂
The timing on this video is weird, I am an outback owner whose car is getting long in the tooth, who also was looking at the bolt then found the VW id4 as a reasonably affordable EV with good capabilities
My diesel F-150 gets bout 300 miles towing trailer twice as big. How is this "progress" charging every 75 miles that's little over 1hr of driving. That's just nuts 🥜
Then charging for at least an hour, but they don't talk about that.
Sustainable what exactly?
Exactly. I hear him say that and knew what a simp he is.
You didn't spend much time talking about the nightmare of stopping every hour to charge for an hour. At 10:37, you say "two hours", but at 8:59, they say 75 miles between stops which is 1:15 minutes at 60 mph, and in my experience with a Bolt EV, adding 75 miles is at least half an hour all told, by the time you find a working charger, fool with an app and get back on the road. It must be twice as much time for them since my range is not halved by towing, though my Bolt is limited to 50 kW, and their ID4 can handle more power.
Always using Electrify America presumably also adds miles since they must choose a route accordingly, and at 48 cents/kWh using public, level 3 charging stations, the price isn't much less than gasoline. I assume that "free charging" means that they have some sort of plan with Electrify America, but you don't discuss the cost of this plan. Charging at home at level 2, electricity is far less expensive than gasoline, but on the road, it's only a bit less.
I love the idea of living in a Scamp on a cross-country trip, and towing it with an EV is definitely an interesting adventure, but you glossed over the most interesting details to paint a rosy picture of the experience. We don't need to pretend that EVs solve every problem as well as ICEVs, but seeing people push the boundaries of what's possible is nonetheless interesting.
Good for them. Stopping 15 times from SoCal to Denver though... yikes.
Remember they choose to do this and had a good idea of what it would be like.
I want to see if Tesla will bring out a version of the CyberTruck tweaked for towing.
Looking at what they can do with the semi compared to the electric competition it could be very good.
And he doesn't mention how much time to charge. Imagine going less than 60 mph when EVERYONE is blowing past you at 75, let alone Semi's ! Wasting most of your vacation at charging stations. And this is progress? Too ignorant to value their time.
I didn't understand his explanation of why they bought the VW instead of the Tesla Model Y, did you?
I don't think he said, but it likely was due to higher pricing for the Model Y.
@@georgepelton5645 VW ID.4 priced higher than Model Y? Looks to me like they both start around $40K now, but that's before the $7500 tax credit for the Model Y, so Model Y ends up being much less expensive. Maybe he bought the VW before Tesla lowered the price of the Model Y, or maybe he bought a used vehicle at a lower price.
He's probably anti-elon
Really came down to price and the option to buy out our ID4 after the lease is up. Leasing gave us the 7500 rebate back immediately off the sale price and anyone qualifies for the rebate when you lease. Tesla forces you to return a lease at the moment.
@@grant-taleck Good point about Tesla leasing restrictions! If Tesla or other EV makers believe that their low maintenance EV vehicles are super long lasting and durable, you'd think that they would dramatically increase the number of miles allowed each year -- like double it at least!
i'm glad to see Nathan is not poo-pooing the electric vehicle green tsunami anymore, upvoted!!!!
No need to pop-poo when we can see the challenges for ourselves.
@@amazingjason455 having to let go of the old world is hard, but ya can't be a Luddite about it
Nathan has owned an EV for years.
Money talks
@@rctezluh42069it’s not about being against technology, it’s about being realistic.
Kids... lol, but honestly... where there is the will there is a way... safe travels
Obviously no one told them how valuable their time is.
More evidence of free EA access being a curse... lol skipping RV 240v overnight charging to clog up an EA just because its "free".
If you don't value your time. Penny wise, Dollar foolish. He's not going to get very far in life.
Very Cute Couple!!
It takes a special kind of person with lots of patience and time on their hands to go through that kind of hell.
Ignorant of the value of time.
Sounds like typical Subaru ‘reliability’ after 100k miles 😂
Even so, I'd rather be dumping oil in it than spending every hour at a charge station.
I like EVs, my wife has a MYLR, but I have no patience for something like this. I'll take my F150 and she can drive the Tesla lol. Hell I'll take that trailer behind my 90s reg cab hunting rig on big tires F150 with 240k miles on it before I take it with the Tesla.
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Nathan,beware..ur job is gone lol xx
EV towing is Big LOL
EV buy people who like to struggle. Let them do what they want. Be happy.
yes, it is a nightmare....for ccs.
I was able to get several 900 mile days driving my ID.4 which I only did once with my older Tesla. The 2023 ID.4 charges much faster than my 2015 Model S and has a longer range. It wouldn’t do so well against a 2023 Model Y that charges even faster and has more range but at the time the VW was much less expensive and after the 5 months waiting for the insurance company to total my Tesla, I wasn’t eager to have that be a possibility again. Tesla needs to expand authorized body shops asap
@@kenmcclow8963 Tesla is training mechanics. It has a 2 week program to teach auto body people how to work on Tesla cars.
How much avocado toast and oat soy latte can that thing haul?
California Dreaming....
Bye Felicia.
50 miles an hour stopping every two hours 😅 sheesh I jsut give props to these early adopters that’s all I can say
California Dreaming...
I'm glad they are enjoying this trip. However, I am not sure I'd be able to do a two week long cross country trip with anyone in that small of a space.
An EV is not more sustainable. 2:10
Bikes should be inside the camper or on the back.. typical cali kids. No sense
Damn, she CUTE!
Same as I thought, soon as he said he wanted something "Sustainable", she is way out of is league. Then he said she's better at the trailer than him, YA THINK? For him to think it's cool to spend all that time at charging stations and going that slow? I know what I'd be concentrating on doing! LOL!
reverts to subaru pulling a different camper than what he said they had. lol
The ID4 is about as cool and exciting as some stale white bread but i guess the 1 perk is the free EA charging for 3 entire years. Not as much of a NPC car as a Tesla but that isnt saying much either, at least they didnt get one of those piles
Not "Free" with as much time they wasted of their lives/trip
Oof, seems like a bad idea (adventurous?). I would have rented a car or truck with a tow hitch.
Sounds like fun to me, but not for everyone.
Different strokes for different strokes.
This is why it is important to vote out any politician that's in favor of EV mandates. Let free choice reign.
Stopped 15 times between CA & CO - had me laughing so hard. No thank you
ya, the amount of glossing over in these ev videos is hilarious
And...they've had to unhook the trailer several times just to charge.
It has definitely been a lot of stops. It’s annoying and takes patience but it’s the way it is right now. 5 years ago a trip like this wouldn’t have been possible. Today, it is. 5 years from now, we’re expecting the charging infrastructure will be more widespread which will help us stop fewer times on trips like this. Let me know if you have any specific questions!
It has definitely been a lot of stops. It’s annoying and takes patience but it’s the way it is right now. 5 years ago a trip like this wouldn’t have been possible. Today, it is. 5 years from now, we’re expecting the charging infrastructure will be more widespread which will help us stop fewer times on trips like this. Let me know if you have any specific questions!
It has definitely been a lot of stops. It’s annoying and takes patience but it’s the way it is right now. 5 years ago a trip like this wouldn’t have been possible. Today, it is. 5 years from now, we’re expecting the charging infrastructure will be more widespread which will help us stop fewer times on trips like this. Let me know if you have any specific questions!
Hipsters, man.
ev buyer:
it's totally fine to stop every 75 miles , have to unhook the trailer (because of bad design) to charge for 2 hours to get another 75 miles of range while towing 2,000 lbs. ev is amazing !
diesel owner:
if i can't get 500+ miles of range pulling 15,000 lbs and fill up in less than 3 minutes your company can dry up in the sun for all i care.
Lol
@kyle…. Exactly this happened to me 3 days ago. I took a 1,080-mile trip. Filled up 36 gallons diesel before starting and filled up again after about 550 miles. It took me 15 hours of actual driving time with one stop for late lunch and the fill up and one 10 minutes bathroom break once. No towing. Spent about 17 hours in the truck. I could have done it in one day but stopped at a rest stop for 6 hours sleeping in the truck bed. I have diamond back cover so I can just pull the cover down and be relatively secure. Most of the highway had 80 miles speed limit but with construction and traffic the average was about 65 mph. There is no way I can drive 50 mph and stop for hours every two hours. In 10-15 years when they figure this out I am ok with an EV, as a free choice, not as a mandate.
Exactly!
This couple is spending so much money on vehicles. They killed that Subaru in just 135k miles.
When towing rv trailers, even small ones, forget these type of vehicles.
The same thing is going to happen with the VW. They are wearing that battery out.
Actually, no. Two studies have confirmed that fast charging doesn't affect battery longevity. As long as the BMS does its job and keeps the temperature in the designed range (just as your engine will not seize if the radiator does its job).
Battery degradation is mainly a function of time. Even very high mileage EVs have about 10% range loss after ten years.
@@davidmenasco5743 loss is about cycles. They are having to recharge in half the miles while towing. Keep towing that trailer and you will degrade the battery much quicker.
@@AJourneyOfYourSoul This is not entirely true. Cycles can play a role, but if the BMS is working properly, time is the main factor.
In the real world, real actual EVs that are ten years old show around 10% degradation with 30,000 miles and with 150,000 miles. If cycles were the only factor, this would not be true.
@@davidmenasco5743 no doubt it is many factors.
My main point is if you tow with an ev, that increase in cycles is going to degrade the battery faster than if you didn’t tow. A noticeable amount.
And imo, that degradation of the batteries will be much more compared to a ICE engine towing and how that towing affects the ICE.
@@AJourneyOfYourSoul Charging the car 20 or 30 more times is not going to degrade the battery significantly. EV batteries generally have much better BMS systems that control heat to reduce the degradation due to charging.
From a Subby to this? What a downgrade
Oh sure….the Suby need a new engine in just 135,000 miles. Great car huh…. My last Suby needed head gaskets at 145,000 miles, $3500 dollars later it ran again before it blew up a year later. Gas cars suck.
Exactly. I'd dump oil into the Subi before I'd drive 50mph on the freeway and make a stop to make a 2 hr charge every hour and 1/2. These California Dreamers don't value their time. 15 stops from Ca to Co, and they're going to SC? Another 30 stops!
Could have purchased a Ford Maverick for much less, and spent a little more on fuel... without having to stop 15 times from Florida to Colorado. That's just stupid.
And then sell it after they move? Sounds like a long wait for a vehicle and that having to resell it sounds quite expensive!
But, the number of times they had to breathe carcinogenic fumes at a gas station and expose themselves to the risk of leukemia and lymphoma? Zero.
@@davidmenasco5743Your imagination is getting carried away with itself.
@@amazingjason455 Your ignorance is showing. A little reading is all it takes to know that these associations exist.
In some states, there are warning signs posted at every gas pump cautioning not to stay in the area longer than necessary due to the harmful effects of the fumes.
There's no end to the "Or they could have done X, Y or Z instead" scenarios. For example, they could have purchased a 20 year old pickup and spent even less than the Maverick that you suggested. But that's not what they wanted to do.