UAD Sound City Studios + the Mutt Lange TRICK!!
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
- The NEW Sound City Studios reverb plugin from Universal Audio. Plus the Dolby Noise Reduction Encoder built in, made famous by Mutt Lange on the vocals of Def Leppard, among many others. In this video I give an overview of what might be my new favorite room reverb.
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Yep - I love how the Mutt Lange trick pushed the vocals slightly forward, hyped the top end, and then glued the whole thing together 😎
I’ve tracked drums at Sound City on two different records and this sounds insanely accurate.
Awesome!
So, you mean there are musicians in a studio writing music live? Then they make ten or so songs? You know when I was working with Geffen Records in the early 90s I wrote and recorded a lot of music in daily sessions. I’m curious that the studio is even used, as decompression of the body with large sound backing, makes it impossible to record at a studio. I recorded at Smart a year and a half before Nevermind released. I was writing in seventh grade. I know they don’t record at studios. Who, are the musicians? The government doesn’t allow people to make money in a monopoly. The media is very controlled. By who? The government laws took over and believe me they do not care about music. I might have changed that. Geffen Records can’t pay me or credit me for my work as the government is sending cops messages to make sure I don’t get paid for my work.
@@linkinthechain4259 Wow this sounds like an AI that is hallucinating being fkd over by the music industry. Anti-institutional russian AI bot or disgruntled producer who sounds like one? Upsetting either way...
The “Mutt Lange” trick wasn’t originated by Mutt Lange. Keith Olsen, who was the original chief engineer at Sound City - he designed the rooms/equipment, etc. - and was involved with them getting the first Neve console in LA used that trick. First with the original 3 rack Dolby 201 (with the Lo and Lo Mid cards pulled.) Keith used Dolby Catt 22 cards in the 361 unit, after physically modding the circuit board of the Cat22 cards to (again) bypass the Lo and Lo-Mids. Keith personally modded a few CAT’s for me (and later showed me the mod.) Now KEITH, got this trick from George Martin…. Because the Beatles fri d everything and discovered/used this technique. I am not saying that Mutt Didn’t use it… but i’d risk some cash that Keith Had it way before…. and from George Martin.
Awesome info, thanks for your comment!
Another example of Stigler's Law: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigler%27s_law_of_eponymy
This was great info, Mobius! Thank you for taking the time to post it! 🙏😊
Keith indeed may have been the first. We have access to his original 301 unit and some of his modded CAT22 cards. On the 301 he added stopper screws to pull out the lower bands without pulling the cards out entirely. What we call Air mode replicates this use case. Works as expected when mixed with the dry, so you’ll need to use the mix knob with the plugin. Based on looking at many master tapes, we’ve seen both effects applied by Keith.
This is legend
Dude what?? That verb is crazy. When you were laughing so was I. And then I was laughing that we both were laughing. I’m loosing it right now. Needless to say I’m getting that.
IK Multimedia did a very similar thing with their reverb series. Fame and Sunset Sound. Truly awesome they are
And Did It Better =)
@@boboneil849I haven’t tried sound city but ua’s ocean way was not as good as ik’s sunset or fame for sure. But I’ll probably get it for the Dolby thing to. I’ve demoed and almost bought gem dopamine several times
Sunset Sounds is RIDICULOUS. I can’t remember his name but it’s the black-haired, sideburns old school looking engineer who introduced me to that plugin. The crap is insane. But now I’m so heavily interested in this one too, and Pro-R just came out with their V2… these companies want me to be broke 😭
Agreed, I feel as though IK is unjustly considered a bit of an "also ran" at times - they make some great plugins.
yeah! Sunset is really great, but this one is really special and way more versatile!
Wow I actually own a Dolby unit, and UA really nailed the sound 😯
the most impressive plugin I’ve ever purchased
If I remember , you can do the " ENCODE " thing with the U-he " SATIN " plugin . You have the compander section and then use it to your advantage and make the " ENCODE " top end sound . Use the A-Type Mode on the " Encoder " section and put the " NONE " option on the " Decoder " section , then you have it . Simply use the MIX knob and compress it with a 1176 for better results .
I’ve been eyeing the Dolby processing units on Reverb. I couldn’t agree more. Having that stand-alone encoding would be slick! Great plug-in and an immediate purchase.
I want it so bad lol
@@ColtCapperrune you guys know that Audiothing already has a great sounding Dolby A and Dolby B noise reduction emulation? For this they probably used the Dolby A Type, which was an early Noise Reduction for Tape Machines. Basically what it is doing is boosting and exiting highs on the way to Tape and reducing it after the Record Path by the same amount, so leaving the sound untouched (in theory) but reducing the tape hiss.
@@nicoberthold8433Overloud has a nice one called "dopamine." Slate Digital also has a version
@@nicoberthold8433 Overloud Gem series has this Dolby -A , Dopamine, which is cool and similiar, tested against the this modulo from Uad, and Uad it more agressive, act more dynamicly like a compressor, and the Overloud i more like a eq, on vocal the Uad for me its a winner
I currently have this due to jumping back into recording and making music again. HOLY CRAP do I love it!
Awesome vid, man! Also, if you didn't know, the Dolby unit already exists from both Overloud and Slate. The former has way more options on it and sounds insane! Cheers, dude!
I feel like you can come close to that Mutt Lange trick with FF Saturn2. You'd have to split off the top end bands and boost the saturation on them way way WAY more than you'd typically be comfortable doing. Do it in a parallel aux send like the Schepps trick w/ a compressor after, and blend it back in w/ the fader.
I bought the signature. 299. This is in it. Not ONE regret.
I love the content that you make, but the suspense you’re creating for the atmos room is on another level.
Every time I get a notification about a new video, my heart races wanting to see your big reveal.
Haha thanks!! It’s coming! It’s just taking way longer than I expected.
@@ColtCapperrune it’s going to be well worth the wait though!
You mentioned not using the “align” function with the mics but I’ve found that function useful if I want to gain control of how much pre delay I have in the reverb mode. Align eliminates the time delay that naturally happens b/w the source and mic. When I hit align, I’m in control of how much pre delay occurs in the signal (either shorter or longer). I find this most useful tho when I’m only using one mic signal in a plug-in like this or Ocean Way.
The Dolby 740 Spectral Processor brings a lot of that vocal depth to an affordable piece of hardware. I just sold my perfect, as-new unit - s/n 24 - to some lucky buyer as I prefer staying in the box with my work. What you played leads me to believe my dream of getting that piece in the box might come true.
"The most realistic room reverb I've ever heard" - yeah, I don't doubt it. This is how I've felt about Ocean Way plugin, which has been a secret weapon of UAD users for years. One of the more popular plugins that most people never heard of. I will be A/Bing Sound City and Ocean Way this weekend. Might have to pick this up.
Thank you, you keep to the point Colt, and really provide the input that helps get us up and rolling faster!
Great video and info. Thank you. The default settings are way too boomy for my taste. Needs lots of adjusting, but once you get a hang of how the plugin works and reacts, you can get some great results...
This plug-in looks great. Can’t wait to play with it later. Currently I use Ik multimedia Fame reverb for the same effect, but this looks so much better.
I really enjoy this one!
Fame and Sunset are excellent. But this UAD plugin is nasty.
I love IK Fame as well, I was expecting a similar thing from Sound city but it's totally different. Just one example that floored me today was Using Re Mic mode with my Piezo guitars, it sounds so good
Would have been cool if they had included the drum riser at Sound City. It was a very common setup option there. I’ve worked there as an assistant, engineer, and producer.
Drum throne, too.
@@theoversouls funny. But truly, at Sound City, many of drum tracking sessions used the riser they had… with the awesome change it made.
@@MobiusMinded how did the sound change. Was the riser hollow?
We used the riser for the wood corner setup, check it out.
I Hope They Do Make It Into A Standalone Plugin, Damn It's Sick.
When Are We Getting Another POV Mixing Video...?
Hopefully soon!
Its avaiable with the Spark subscription.
Colt, I've watched several videos on this, and I've gotta say again -- I dont' know why I watch any other channel, your takes are so contextually accurate and nuanced. Bravo, keep it up.
Just used it yesterday on a mix and it is amazing, I am gobsmacked, just stunning on drums, holy wow.
The manual explicitly says to avoid mixing a re-mic'd signal in parallel with the original, as it likely will cause phase issues. I also think in your first example, putting the close mic into the plugin (set to remic) would get your a more realistic result that feeding room mics into the plugin, and then just listening to the plugins room mics. That's a bit like sending 1 reverb into another reverb. If you like the sound, great, but it's not simulating the kit recorded at SCS.
If it sounds ok, it is ok
While the final sound is all that matters you are correct sir
It did eat away into the low mids of the guitar in the example. In that case it wasn't bad, if you know what you're doing you can be bold and make "mistakes" like that.
Yes there could be phase issues and this is the biggest reason we advise against it. But also you will get the most dramatic affect without mixing in the dry. But as Fletcher used to say, “your mileage may vary”…
The fact they've sampled from the instruments played in the room is stellar ! Good stuff bro !
An amazing plug, its so versitile and just powerful in huge ways. Its on my A list!
Outstanding Tutorial Of The UAD Sound City Studios Plugin, That Mutt Lange Trick Is Caaaaazy!
Hi from down under i got this plug in 4 days ago and I’m just starting to experiment with it so far it’s pretty good i also bought a sphere microphone and the combination is insane for vocals i have been using the luna daw and that just makes it all sound great keep up the good work Colt
This is the best description I've found of this plugin. Thank you.
Helpful walkthrough. Tverb from Eventide is beautiful too but this is a whole world of fun. Thanks!
Just what we need. Another reverb plugin 😂 I have this and I didn’t even realise it 😂
Bought real Dolby 361a’s some time ago…
Always have to tell people what they are and why they are the coolest things
Mutt Lange is the dude who inspired me to get into production.
I always tell people he is my favorite artist.. and everyone is like.. who is that? Ha 😂
But he is almost entirely the reason for Def Leppard and Shania Twain, Bryan Adam’s.. and a number of others.
Have you modded your CAT22 cards? Because if you haven’t then you’re not getting the proper setup for this. Also, as I stated above, this originally came from the Beatles, and then through Keith Olsen (at Sound City coincidentally.)
@@MobiusMinded yeah - and I have the “stressor” cards too.
I’ve been pushing UA for years to mode the 361’s, even offering mine as golden units.
@@TheSteveKinney couldn’t agree more. I knew and worked with Keith on several occasions. He was an engineer’s engineer.
@@TheSteveKinney i used to mod them for folks. It works best as an fx send/return. Lowering input increases the effect because what we want is the “expansion” effect, and that happens to signals below the threshold. Sending signals over the threshold of the unit (as calibrated) gives one less and less “effect.” So lowering input signal gain and compensating by raising the return. I’m just mentioning this for those folks who don’t yet know. 🤞🏻
@@MobiusMinded yeah! That’s awesome! I didn’t actually know that about sending less to them, but holy cow that makes total sense!
Do you know how to service them? Assuming you mod them, I’d have fingers crossed on being able to service.
I haven’t found a single person who knows who to send them too. lol
I just downloaded this plugin -cracks knuckles- time to try this bad boy out for myself. I’m so excited.
I’ve used this and it is deep. I’d question the use of hardware dsp when Apple Silicon is so powerful. Sharc technology is so old now I’d be loathed to invest in it. I’d sacrifice some older dsp only plugins for the benefits of Apple Silicon and native plugins. Unless UAD brings out a very high end new dsp unit I’d never invest in dsp.
I preferred the dry sound (without this sound city thang) everytime. Well clearly this is not for everyone. Sounds kinda like phaser. It happens in many digital emulations/modellers.
Damn, I've worked at Sound City. That model is scary! Thanks for the demo. Credit card is in hand. Sigh... Haha!
Audiothing, SKnote, Overloud, and some others have had a DolbyA plug on the market for years.
I love these videos. This thing has been up for one hour and the plug is brand new but it's your "fAv0rItE rEvErB pLuGiN". The check must have cleared.
It’s a good comment… it really is… the problem with your hypothesis is that just like with EVERY gear/plugin video, I test it extensively before even agreeing to do a video. So while I appreciate the sArCaSm, it’s hilariously wrong. Guess I’m not ever allowed to have new favorites as these tools keep getting better and better. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. Meanwhile I’ll be using it nonstop. ✌🏻
@@ColtCapperrune Never said I didn't like it and wouldn't buy it. I like it very much and will be purchasing for upcoming sessions. You know how it gets out here in the wild west of CZcams, man. Everyone says the newest shit is the best shit. I won't take that with a grain of salt with UA stuff. I'm all in with them. But I'm also in the guitar universe and that gets sketchy AF so you have to understand a bit of my perhaps unnecessary sarcasm.
The Dolby plugin was released by overload years ago and it is a terrific plugin, Joe Barresi states that on overload web page and as you may know Joe used to work at soundcity. I really recommend to try that version.
I’ve tested with piano today and it sounds sick!!
I don’t know why one would call the Dolby trick the "Mutt Lange" trick . It was used way before him in the 70’s by Queen for exemple
Very nice video Colt! I just bought the plugin and I love the way it sounds, it's a big addition to people with a home studio!
How many instances of the Sound City plugin are you running in your station? What computer do you use? I have a Windows 10 PC with an i9 processor and 64gb of ram and I want to have an idea of your machine processing power. I'm having the idea to change to Mac since my pc really have an issue with many instances. I have to say that I haven't render my MIDI instruments and probably is limiting the number of instances being used. However, I'm going to do it and work only with audio stems to reduce the processing to the minimum and then, try to increase the number of instances.
Tried the demo and I'm loving how it sounds. My only issue is it's a little slow and unresponsive compared with my other plugins. Might be my machine but I don't have issues flicking through presets with Sunset Sound, for example.
Hi Colt, for the Mutt Lange trick you will need to set the compressor to Air, not Encode.
Oh btw.. that guitar work and those vocals sound so good aside from the plugins. Really sweet man. 👌🏽
I notice none of the reviews of this mention the Ocean Way plugin. It's almost like UAD doesn't want to remind anyone that Ocean Way exists!
Do you think this is the same room/mic modeling tech they used for Ocean Way, but in a different room with some nice extras (dolby, chamber, compressor, etc), or do you think they totally updated their room/mic modeling technology? I have an abundance of UAD2 sharcs and I'm constrained on CPU, so as long as this stays native it's going to be hard for me to move away from being able to use some Ocean Way plugins without soaking up CPU.
I agree. Nobody mentions Ocean Way even though the feature set is almost the same, I was just thinking about this. It’s not a coincidence, it must be part of the strategy by UA tu push this new plugin.
Try the free plugin fresh air by slate audio, I think you can get similar results. If you don't think it is up this alley I still think you will like it. I like it on guitars.
Love it, can't wait to play with it.
Instead of making a standalone for just the noise reduction, they should make a "standalone" 500 series type rack, with all the effects that this plug and the Electra 88 has as well!!
I really hope that @universalaudio sees this suggestion!
their ocean way plugin was incredible and love it on piano, but other stuff it doesn't work well and it is a bit limiting for application of re-mic and reverb. THIS on the other hand is that plugin to the next level. it's everything i wish the ocean way plugin had. not in a place to spend right now, but so tempting!
It'd be awesome if they updated Ocean Way to match the feature set on this one.
@@danymalsound YES! But that would probably take a lot of work. I think there’s a reason we haven’t seen many plugins from UA lately. They aren’t a big company and they probably had a good chunk of their staff working on this beast. Just grabbed it though with the BF sale. Probably should have waited but now I got it.
Ocean Way is great! I was disappointed when I first got it, took along time for me to find what I thought was it’s uses. A lot of putting it away then coming back. I often just do stuff with fiends that record at home so no fancy studio stuff. With drums I tend to put OW on the drum buss in remic. Find the mic I like then move the mic really close to reduce the room noise and so it doesn’t delay the sound to much. Add some room in to taste and would do the regular buss processing after ward. It’s important to mix into the plugin when doing it this way. Another good use is on acoustic or electric Di tracks. DI to plugin pedals then the guitar amp sims and room can be cool. Can add space and mellow out an acu Di. Did a whole mix with OW on the mix buss once, just a little room mixed in. Gave it a cool band in a room feel. Just saying there’s a lot of ways to use OW and don’t give up on it.
Coming next week: UA presents Dolby Encoder plugin for only $199 🤪 Good video BTW, cheers Colt!
AGGHHH i want this so bad but i need to save up for room treatment!!!😢😢
Bro, I have it. It's making my strings programings sounds live bro.
Mutt Lange TRICK!! starts at 13:07
Great tip homie!
My man 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Love both channels gentlemen ... thank U!
Interesting to see trigger on the snare reverb bus. Are you triggering the snare to get a cleaner reverb or just using the gate function? Or am i titally wrong😂
What I find weird about this is that when the plugin is active, it almost sounds like the sound is coming out of speakers and that's what we hear. I have the Waves Ocean Way Studio Emulation which is made to have the sound of that control room in your headphones so you can ave a better spacial awareness of your mix and can hear how the mix sounds through near field and mid/far field speakers. And this right here has the same effect I feel like. To me it doesn't sound like a drumset in a room. It sounds like I am listening to a drumset in a room via speakers in the control room. Or am I misinterpreting the intent of the plugin ?
Awesome video man. I just discovered youTBH...Cool personality, very knowledgeable......I'm in man , will subscribe and follow. Gonna checkout some old stuff... Take care and Wish you a happy Holiday!
Any thoughts if you already have the UA Ocean Way plug in?
Another banger vid!!
Cheers
great video! Question, which stereo mic'ing technique was used for the Close Room/4038's? Because the kick is centered but the cymbals sound quite wide. ORTF? Thanks Colt!
2:41 umm no sir, although I love this plugin, I got 2 UADs and this will coming home soon too
Are you sending all the drum tracks to the 'fake room'?
However you tweaked it at: 10:23 is VERY CLOSE to Nevermind. I can hear Cobain's voice on top of that.
this one or the lex480? I have to decide...which one would you buy? and I would love to see a comparison between the c-suite limiter with a hardware comp/limiter ,...could you do that?
Colt could you do a video on turning library piano sounds into live room sounds with this(sounding like it was recorded in a live room)? A lot of my music has piano in it and i think having a room sound give it some nice feel but would love some ideas on the best way to approach it.
It’s quite easy.. been doing it today :-) can use the reverb as a send, or try a full remic just mess about with the placements and mics etc and listen to the results..
@@sinewaves1631 yeah im gonna end up doing that very thing. libraries can be quite lifeless at times so wanted to add just that much more to them ya know.
Other than obviously being a different room, how is this different from their Ocean Way plugin?
I just got this on my Apple and it keeps stopping my song with a system overload
What i want to knows is, where is the apollo version? I am starting to get this feeling that at some point UAD will replace all their DSP based audio interfaces with Non DSP versions. If this is the case then prices for the non dsp versions should be significantly reduced.
I bought it with capitol chambers. I was not a fan of reverb until this two.
I wonder how it would sound on hip hop 🤔 I’m def going to play around with the demo
Any update ?
@@lucaszecat not yet didn’t get a chance to mess with it
So every instrument sent to it has the same mic mix?
Crazy
Before y’all go nuts over this Plugin, can somebody compare this Plugin to UAD Oceanway studios plug-in that would be nice
heard all about it a half hour ago from A. M.
Awesome
I am always looking for a better reverb sound, I never seem to be satisfied. I write Hybrid Orchestral always with big booming drums and use reverb always to fatten it up. Would this work for me you think? I don't see why not right...I see it has an Ensemble option, strings and brass....It sounds like a pretty obvious question now that I'm asking but I'd appreciate any feedback . Right now after trying many different options I'm just using the stock reverbs in Abelton 11.
Have you discovered LiquidSonics and their Cinematic Rooms reverb? Many orchestral composers claim it is the best!
This might be a nice supplemental option.
@@chaddonal4331 I have not heard of those I must say but as soon as I thank you kindly and hit send I am going to look into those. Thanks for the tip I really appreciate it!!
Cool, now I just need to wait a few years for them to put it on sale for an acceptable price.
It's included in UAD Spark and they have a black Friday special on now.
Today. Right now. $49 - 2024-June-16
Interesting how everything that passes through the plugin, gains a ton of low end.
They do have the low end roll off EQ
there's a reason for that...go to Sound City. Record the drums with room mics anywhere from 10ft to 25ft away from the kit and see how much low end is captured.
What aboit Capital and Ocean Way ? Is this better ? Love the two
For 80% of vocals I prefer Capital Chambers. When I do use this for vocals, it's in Reverb mode and is for the room. I often mix songs where the artist or producer decided to track vocals bone dry and using this for a nice room that thickens things up and creates some space is nice.
Why duplicate the track instead of just using the dry/wet knob in your daw?
In the Re-Mic mode, the wet/dry knob and predelay are disabled. So he duplicated the tracks to control how much of the changed tonal signature of the effected track is brought up into the mix.
Holy sh*****!!!
Audiothing make a great NR plugin called Type A.
19:06 Kind of weird to advertise more UA DSP on plugin review that is only Native!!!
My CPU fails with only one instance. That's like, 1/64th of a Mutt Lange?
So all rock artists have been in sound city
Wish this wasn’t native only. Older machines will have problems, this is a bit of a heavy plugin.
I can see this being the norm from many companies soon and from many studio room. But probably a lot less. If you on your way up in music then this price i way to high and thats where the money is. Its ok if you have a expensive studio.
Audiothing has a Type A and B emulation plugin so UAD's claim they are the first...well....not sure about that.
I don’t believe they claimed that.
"Sound City Studios gives you the first-ever emulation of the Dolby A301** noise reduction system -"@@ColtCapperrune
It seems one you cannot survive using this plugin wiyhout some extra processing power!
first impression of the plugin is it sounded honky and kinda lame, not realistic at all. maybe it was just the settings? i hope i end up liking it cause the idea is awesome
Its like 8mm film compared to 4K.
Sound really strange to me. T-Racks do rooms better! =)
these overpriced satellite dongles are so ridiculous in 2023...otherwise a great addition to capitol chambers and ocean way. the competitors - the more affordable IK Sunset Sound Studio, Fame Studios, The Farm Stone Room - are worth a try.
btw the demo song on uads demo video sounds unpleasantly phasey on my boombox...
Sound City Studios is not available on UAD-2/Satellite. Native only. Also, Apollo and Satellites are not going anywhere anytime soon.
Here's to hoping this thing is A, accessible to a blind person using a screen reader, and B, coming to spark
It’s on spark 🤘🏻😜🤘🏻
@@ColtCapperrune yeah I just got it. This thing is killer. I have a project at the minute where they didn't put up a room mic, only spots, overheads and a smash mic. Creating a fake room that sounds great was done within seconds, and it's accessible too. If any of the people at UA happen to read this, thank you so much for the accessibility if only by accident.
Do NOT dig down standing over the cross!!
Good plugin. I would buy it, if that was the option. As it is, no thanks.
I don't know what plugin you've been using but I tried it on some drums and is an awful plugin and destroys everythign it touches. Are you sure you didn't get a kick back to say this, like say a free satelite? I don't see much of the comunity talking about it. When something as good as you make it sound comes out you see it everywhere.
Demo’d it and it sounds very strange, not like any room I’ve ever been in. Mostly sounds phasey and gross on any setting. Hard pass.
Man, come on, advertising for UAD Satellite now in 2023, you can not be serious ... Not cool UA, not cool