The Atheist Experience 762 with Russell Glasser and Jen Peeples
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- The Atheist Experience 762 for May 20, 2012 with Russell Glasser and Jen Peeples.
SHOW TIME-STAMPS
00:47- Intro & Announcements - Russell Glasser
02:17- Joe (atheist): spent years in a cult, there is no substantive difference between cults and mainstream religion, strategies used in religious ceremonies
13:02- John (theist): asks why the hosts don't believe in God, argues for intelligent design, ancient people knew more than modern people
28:18- Shane (atheist): talking to theists during the holidays
33:59- Jim (atheist): is worried about coming out as an atheist to his religious family
45:22- Boris (atheist): theistic claims about morality, the meaning of 'all-mighty'
53:09- Bob (atheist): describes deconversion from Islam
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"Do you realize you are talking to two engineers?!" I love you Jen Peeples.
I like Jen. She's a very nice person. Very intelligent also.
Jen & Russell, together with Tracy & Matt, have the best synergies in the show!
First call button 2:19
Woo hoo! Lovin shorter announcements. More calls!
I always skip the first five minutes.
thanks for getting this up, looking forward to episode 763.
Thanks for the video info. That was amazing!
I gotta give it to John: He's VERY creative in coming up with ad hoc explanations! The selectively global catastrophe is an all-time highlight!
Where are the tools? In the last few years the ancient plans for a water powered device that precisely cut large stone slabs was discovered. When reconstructed it worked flawlessly. We have been gradually finding plans for various mechanical devices from all over the ancient world which did some pretty amazing things. Just because they didn't have electricity doesn't mean they couldn't make truly amazing machines for the manufacture of their great monoliths.
You want to know why it is so rare we find these plans and why human invention seemed to be so stagnant for so long; look at the story of the Library of Alexandria and the similar historical event in Persia. Then after you have done that take a look at the attack on science in the modern age by religious fundamentalists. We are in the middle of reburning the Library. If we are not careful then 2000 years from now we will have some other ignorant asshat on future-tube saying "where are the machines they used to make the statue of liberty?"
Thank you religious fanatics that decide everything they don't understand is the work of some demon or devil and in need of destruction.
It's honestly interesting to me that there's this constant struggle between the ignorant and the intellectual. Throughout history there's been this cycle of enlightenment then self-destruction. It seems we might be on the downturn of enlightenment at the moment. I hope we can pull back up into enlightenment before the metaphorical Library is burned.
Cheezis1 Well, at least on the upside this pattern is trending towards an overall victory for intellectualism,
Loved the last caller. He reminded me of those feelgood news stories where everything just works out.
I don't know what that electronic chirping noise was during John's call but for several minutes I thought my smoke alarm needed a new battery.
My supermarket has music playing over the loud speakers all the time.
I find it difficult to concentrate on doing my shopping.
It's a relief to get outside in the peaceful car park.
that was quick, thank you :)
hahah funny that you added "valuable" hahahhah
12:50 John has no clue and watched Ancient Aliens for his info... oh brother LoL
Idk why both of them were being so rude and short tempered with John. He was a nice and thoughtful guy compared to most theists.
Oh ancient aliens - yes I know someone who is "certain" that aliens built the pyramids. She said proper academics appear in ancient aliens. when I checked out the show I found it was journalists - nobody with a degree let alone phd in Egyptology or archaeology.
"Sliding Scale of Seriousness"? He's a troper! :D
"They're really nice people"
"But they wanna kill you"
Epic line
Great analogy there with the plants (18:30). I'm going to have to remember that the next time creationists try that bait-and-switch.
That second caller needs to replace the battery in his smoke alarm.
I love that song !
Nice T-shirt, Russell XD
Not only was John a frustratingly ignorant caller, he had me convinced for like 10 minutes that my smoke detector needed a new battery.
i want one of those "Russell's teapot" tshirts
The guy was all, "you think I'm going to stop just because you proved my point wrong?"
Okay, then make that "Never underestimate human determination."
Thanks, you too! It's like when my dad says, "I think I'm gonna cry. *pause* Nope. Just gas."
Good for Bob!!!
You are a great economist. When did you get the nobel prize?
26:00 best part of show .
This is like the first time ive actually seen a guys name who's bob on the show
watching these older streams cause all the new ones have like 20 midrolls and i aint bout to play to that greed shit
"You actually believe in an infinite chain of creators?" "Yep, it's turtles all the way down."
My heart goes out to "Bob" and all ex-Muslims. Speaking as someone who just saw a shocking video of an ex-Muslim getting his throat sliced open and his head cut off on video, I know the risks involved. Don't get killed! You're awesome!
I think John was a prank call. Did anyone else hear the smoke detector beeping in the background? Anyone else seen the Loveline smoke detector prank call? Check it out.
2006; but that was for ams brutal rocks backs-ups guitar playings ;)
Hey John, I saw that episode of Ancient Aliens XD
It depends. You don't have to rush it.
What a difference between the first two callers!
"define infinity" ....wow...just wow.
Anyone else notice the caller from Germany is the guy that's in Texas that called a few times before. I wanna say his name was Mike, but I can't remember for sure.
I pay homage to the entire pantheon; I just chose Odin as a patron. I'm not especially pious, though, but that's another conversation.
Life is an emergent property, specific elements arranged in a specific way. Magic dust not required.
I've been watching a lot of these Atheist Experience videos, and I'm just curious... has there ever been an episode where the hosts are actually challenged by a caller? It seems like they're always just sitting there, smiling as caller after caller makes a fool of himself. I would like to see them really challenged by a caller. Not that it would change my opinions, I just think it would be entertaining.
John said "astrology" with a straight face.
one-handed Odin vs. Loki and his whole gang
Someone should tell the guy from Chicago (the next time he calls) that he needs to change the battery in his smoke detector.
You should tell them, its nothing to be ashamed of.
But on the other hand I don't know your family so ultimately its up to you.
I'm sure they will understand. Isn't one of the most important messages of Christianity to be accepting of other people and treat people as you want to be treated?
I second this recommendation. There is just no easy cure all answer. The short version would be if you think you might be disowned/ punished severely/ get potential college support cut, then it is probably better to wait until you can properly support yourself. These things have happened. Don't feel forced to come out because of us other atheists is really the only thing I will add. Good luck either way.
Nice to hear a person with a southern accent who is intelligent.
it's only one video, which started to circulate only a few months ago. And google search seems to link everything to that video. What's aside from questioning the video.
Give me your best evidence, otherwise, i'm done.
that explains this whole twelve disciples wandering around in robes business. Quick access, baby WOOOOOOO!
I watched it again i was being overcritical for some reason my bad love your show..
I feel bad for Jim from TX....ideally, he would leave the situation and live true to himself. But obviously, there are more factors to consider than that, so I'm really stuck with this one.
It depends on how far back you're going. They've been doing this for a while and have archived them from 2005 I think. Anyway the answer is quite a few, though the question takes many different forms.
I'm pretty sure I remember seeing a documentary which showed that the pyramids themselves contain hieroglyphics showing how they were constructed by clever use of ropes and pulleys.
John Astalogical sign is Alamagata!
Glad it wasnt just me
Yes Eratosthenes was a brilliant scholar, he made some amazing discoveries. But at least we know how he did it how he calculated the distance from the earth to the sun. However some of ancient civs. Knew much more, even how the whole solar system, planets work. They could predict solar eclipses they knew about all the planets in our solar system without a single telescope. The only explonation we have atm is in their history "when sky people came down and taught them " that's it.
Festivus....... for the rest of us.....
A beaver can build a pretty substantial structure, and they're not MAGIC BEAVERS.
good comment
Do you ignore Thor, Tyr, Vanir and Skadi?
To Jim: I just say to anyone who asks; "I don't believe what you do about supernatural things, and I don't care to discuss it if it will lead to acrimony. If you respect me and my beliefs, I will respect yours." If they get pesky, I add; "Didn't your mother tell you that if you can't say anything nice, don't say it all." Push the notion that respect is reciprocal.
The problem is that just because something is complex doesn't mean it needs a creator, if you don't know how it got there you can't say much more than that.
1. I hypothesize that the desert people of Israel were not used to eating shellfish, which can cause severe allergic reactions in infants, (more often than adults), killing them without medical attention.
2. Back in the Renaissance, they thought tomatoes were poisonous and called them 'love apples'. I hypothesize that people noticed the connection between tomatoes and heartburn and thought it was toxins. My mother-in-law is allergic to tomatoes, too, so that also kind of ties in to #1. Probable?
this is the second episode i see from this tv show and i think its great. and the second caller it's not very cultured but there is a way of explaining things. and as the smarter people you guys should teach instead of make fun for the views it can generate to this video. "love the truth seek it, and once you find it enrich people with it"
For god sake John, put a new battery in your smoke alarm or take out the old one!
What claim or assertion have I made that requires sources to be cited?
Astronomy like technology is a vast field. You can't cover it all and you will pick the themes and observe the things easier for you to observe as in the Mayan example. The same Mayans believed the Earth was flat and didn't even know the wheel. We admire Mayans for their calendar but the Greeks figured out the 26,000 year cycle of Earth's precession and they measured the year down to a precision of a few seconds.
I'd like to know which civilization knew about how planets work by the way.
Christmas is just one more in a long line of holidays built around the Winter Solstice, so it doesn't really matter to me whether its call Pancha Ganapati, Saturnalia, Yule or Yalda, its always been a holiday built around an astrological phenomenon that signifies the turning point of winter when the days begin to get longer again.
The Native American thing was hilarious....they have a sense of humor.
Is it just me? or can you pretty much guess most times right off the bat if the callers are religious or not just by their expression and ways of greeting?
Why couldn't the caller just say i am talking about ancient aliens lol, Could have cut the conversation to about 5 minutes lol
I agree.
They should ask the last caller to, call back next show. I'm sure he has some insight...Peace
does it also allow us to build lightsabers and move things telepathically?
Correction for what Joe said, autism is a spectrum both in severity and there being a spectrum of many different aspects on which a person can have a sliding severity scale.
It is not a single thing, autism is a combination of an entire spectrum of possible problems on which a person can have problems or not, the combination of the problems puts the person on the spectrum.
People with autism are extremely varied in the problems each and every one of them has.
I'm 14 and atheist my family is catholic should I tell them...??? I don't know help
IIRC, recent discoveries tend to discredit the hypothesis that the pyramids at Giza were built with slave labor.
It depends on how strong your parents beliefs are. I stuck out over 12 years in a born-again church, then simply stopped attending when I was about 20. I only recently started calling myself atheist, but I dont think that is REALLY important. We arent defined by what we dont believe, so the term holds no real weight. I am now in my 40s and comfortable with the word. Or you could do what I did and keep disbelief to yourself ( like many religious folks ) until you are more comfortable.
cheers!
Thanks for the great example guys. If Dna and life itself is to complex to come about by chance, then why is it so much easier to believe that a god, which would need to be almost infinitely more complex than the life he has created, came about by chance.
Xmas to me is just to celebrate the End of The Year, not that blokes birthday.
I'm expecting very annoying caller to make one of them say "I'm not even supposed to be here today"
hi i'm from venezuela, i will like to call the show becuse i have some doubts, and i'll like to see if you guys can help me
28:34: they actually fell for that redhairing.
"Do you know anything about Abiogenesis?"
"...."
"I know a little bit".
Bullshit! My monitor is now covered in my drink. Thanks a lot, John...
They made a point of saying not all theist are stupid, then John calls...
You know, one thing Jim could do - and I really don't think this is lying, I think it's like "temporally displaced truth" - is give his family a chance to catch up with where he is. After all, he hasn't kept them up to date on his progress. So, he could start expressing doubts. Show how nothing "helps". Slowly grow away from the church and let people see he just can't help it. And then come out and let the chips fall where they may. He needs us as friends, not those people. Good luck Jim!
What about the other 6 ancient wonders that were destroyed?
This part ... 55:08 till 55:30 ... That's where the Ancient Greek had gotten to as well when the Romans came along and messed everything up. They had these stories of monsters, gods and miracles but when they looked at the world around them they saw, no monsters, no gods and no miracles. How to reconcile the two? At first they separates history into a time of legends and a regular time and then they (some of em anyway) ditched their stories entirely. Good to see Bob using the same reasoning.
Sounds like John from Chicago has been watching a little too much Ancient Aliens.
Change the battery in the smoke detector please.
Brave are many men from afar.
That's not an explanation, it just replaces godunnit with the skypeople done it. I think you're exaggerating the depth of their knowledge, they knew that there were planets because those were the only stars that moved differently through the sky then the rest of the stars. Their location allowed them to see the night sky with more detail, and it only takes time and observation to realize that it moved through cycles, however they did not know how it worked.
Not every Christian family is like that, my family (although being very religious) just told me that they were happy that I had made my own opinion and I was able to think for myself. Although they do make me go to church with them (I'm 17)
I offered a hug then said okay... that's not acting tough... Calm down.
They were not acting out of hate, or with any intent to antagonize. It is often difficult to tell someone they are ignorant or not very smart on any particular topic, but doing so is not a bad thing and should not be looked upon as being so. There is an emotional response from people when their ignorance is revealed to them. This is happening because of poor education and understanding of what it means to be ignorant, and what one should do when they find themselves to be ignorant.
If you really want to look at it without speculating, you'll notice that ancient civilizations like the Mayas (whose golden age isn't that ancient at all by the way) the knew basically the same things Europeans knew. They had some measurements that were more accurate but that's explained by the fact they observed things from below the Tropic of Cancer which made it possible for them to have the sun passing exactly overhead.
Oh btw, I also need to note that even though I live in a country that has a very religious tradition (Spain), it sounds baffling to my ears that in the States people are so afraid to "come out" to their families, friends and neighbors about their atheism, like Jim. Not to say that religious families in my country when hearing that news shrug, smile and act like nothing's happened, but being estranged from your family as a result of saying you are atheist? I'm lost for words.
What's with the no comments shit on the new videos?
pretty much all of the hosts have told the story of their backgrounds many times...