Africa Twin vs. Yamaha Tenere 700 vs. BMW F850GS | True Adventure Review
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- Time for one of our special videos: Honda CRF1100L Africa Twin vs. Yamaha Tenere 700 vs. BMW F850GS. Some of the most wanted adv bikes on the market. We fitted all of them with knobby tires and took them out for a ride, on street and off-road, to see which one is the best.
More details about our riding school and tour: pemotoare.ro/r...
Very sad to hear about Cristian - Loved and still love the videos you all have done with him. I hope you continue your content in memory of Cristian. So many different owners groups posting in his memory.
Hey Cal, I just started watching this channel not too long ago and I really love it! What happened to Christian? He seems like such a likable guy!
@@unclejj509 vehicle collision and passed away recently. Great guy and channel.
@@c.a.l.e.b.s That's a terrible thing. Blessings to his family and friends. I'll support this channel if they continue!
RIP Cristian 🙏
I've watched the videos for years. I have huge respect for you guys and what you have done on CZcams.
I hope the videos will continue. I'm going to be re-watching lots of them in the mean time.
The moto family is here with you guys ❤
If Alex is a beginner, I salute his bravery in taking on this ride - snow, rain, mud ... all he needed was a river crossing and he would have conquered the whole box and dice.
He survived it with good humour. I hope he doesnt by a car or a helicopter but continues to practice his skills.
No, he's fine. A couple of days after this trip he called us asking for more.
I just knew, that when they asked which he prefers, he was gonna say, "the Range Rover".
Hard core adventure. Getting stuck and taking risks off-road was my in my job description for 13 years of geophysics minerals exploration, so doing this kind of hard core riding just isn’t what I would consider fun. I wish that I would have always had coworkers like you that never give up and meet every challenge with good humor. Every video you make has me looking forward to the day that I visit Romania.
I've been fortunate to own all of these bikes! H
Well, in honesty, an F800GSA 2014, AT 2016 and T700 2021. They've got some good points here, but if you plan on riding trails more than roads, there's no question the T700 is better. There are different aspects to each bike, bit as for bar position on the T7, I had the same issue with fatigue, but all it took to resolve was rolling the bars forward slightly, issue is history. The T700 is forgiving, ploughs through everything and is light enough to pick up with luggage on, these are all the elements of adventure riding. If you want more power and don't ride trails so much, the AT1000 is the one
what is the f800 gsa still recommended for? I am 80% on road so thinking about the 800gsa or something else. I am also pretty tall at 6'3 o not much of an option fo me.
RIP Cristian, really sad news, very thankful for every video posted. You’ll be remembered.
So sad to know Cristian passed away. Always nice and very interesting videos. Rest In Peace. I hope there will be nice trails just the way you like, up there in Heaven.
RIP Cristian
He was an example for me
whoa - what happened?
@@RioHelmi Cristian Predoi (presenter guy in this vid) died about two weeks ago in a road crash. Rainy day, lost control of his GS1250 in a curve, laid it down, got hit by the car, died in hospital later on...
@@Diesel6Power oh man... what a loss. RIP Cristian
Really? Dam, been watching this guy since their previous channel. RIP :(
Watched all his videos man shit sucks
I own a Tenere 700 and since a month also a 2021 AT AS DCT......i love my Tenere very much. Less comfort but it does everything very well. Trail riding is very nice. It also likes the twisties and rev it very hard. You can throw it hard into the corners. Very very good bike for that money. Always put a smile on my face. I do not have much mileage on my Africa twin jet....i have to explore this one a little bit more. I bought it for more comfort road use. It is a beast!! Safe happy riding everybody!!
The sound of the Ténéré 700 is pretty amazing!
Cristian had passion for biking. He made lots of great vids and kept the community happy watching his vids. He will be remembered. RIP Cristian.
Guys, it's a kind of duty you to go on with these wonderful videos, at least for the sake of Cristian's memories; I met him once, having 5-10 min talking, just a very friendly guy and nice character he proved. Too sad he past away so young...
RIP Cristian, a legend is gone but not forgotten 💔
Wow. That looked like a tough offroad ride for a beginner. 😮. Good job to the participants!
Nice to see and hear You Cristian... it's unbelievable that you've passed. RIP mate!
You guys are blessed with some seriously excellent riding terrain.
I'm putting this on my watch later, I'm STRUGGLING watching Christian.. RIP champ!
Many condolences to Bogdan & the Team
I just bought the new standard Africa Twin 2021 with no DCT. I did the test drive of both the Africa twin and the Tenere, but I liked the Africa Twin much more: lower seat height, smoother and more powerful engine and more eletronics for less than a difference of 4000€. The standard Africa Twin is not that much heavier than the Tenere, the only reason people should look into the Tenere is the price. The Tenere for the european market is made in France while the Africa Twin is made always in Japan.
The price of the tenere in north macedonia is around 11-12k euros, the standard africa twin starts from 13k.. the bmw f850gs also starts from around 13k. I think you should be loco not to buy the AT 😀
Tough to lose with any of these.
PS - That Tenere exhaust sounds amazing
Looking good again guys!
Big fan of the Africa Twin!
Last year I’ve tried ATAS manual with EERA and base model with DCT both with many extra bells and whistles. Frankly, I was disapointed in both. ATAS is to wide between the knees, bulky and top heavy. DCT makes engine response kind of blunt. Neither of 4 shifting modes suited me well and padles for manual shifhting weren’t positioned well for my hand.
Reading all the positive reviews I gave it second chance two weeks ago… This time basic model in this new tricolore paint and with manual transmision. Only accesory was quickshifter and crash bars. And… it was a blast! Manual with quickshifter is the best transmision for me. It´s crisp and fast and for the offroad you still have clutch control. Every additional kilo of weight is affecting handling in a big way. In this case less is sometimes more applies. For me the best Africa is base model with just heated grips, quickshifter, engine crash bars and barkbusters. Nothing more besides wish for tubeless rims.
As for the F850GS. It isn’t a bad bike, but I didn’t like whole front end. Steering geometry is weird. Front suspension setting didn’t fit me well and it’s unadjustable. Front brake doesn’t match the performance of the rest of the bike.
It all depends on what you want from the bike. I own the AT 1000, and i would like the DCT version. But i use it 95% of the time on the road. If i were to use the bike off road, i would've bought the Tenere, hands down.
The F800gs was better in class than the f850gs feel like bmw is worst in class. Tiger 900 AF and T7 are all lighter and cheaper. And all are more powerful except the T7
This video made me want to wait for 2022 Transalp even more :)
And I admire the gentleman on F850GS - he was brave! Good job.
That's if it does come out in 2022. Which so far is not official. Just bunch of speculations.
If Honda can take away all the electric controls I would buy it! I know how to ride!
@@rjeepster8640 agree. I'd be ok with TC, as I know it works really well, but would skip all the ride modes, electronic suspensions and so on. So ABS (as this is required by regulations here) and TC would be fine for me. But I can also live without TC... Anyway, I hope they will finally show it this Autumn. Cheers!
Great review.
Alex is hilarious!
“I died 10 times! I buy a car!” 😂👍
You guys are amazing your channel is very high quality and I really trust your opinions seem very genuine good guys enjoying life.
Thank you guys for this comparison! It is the first I am watching where bmw is so much dethroned. And being located in Bulgaria I really do understand the conditions you have been through. My personal choice would be tenere with some upgrades. The africa is a bit expensive and bmw is a bit heavy. Best of lucks to all of you.
The fantastic T7 prouve again that even with a smaller engine she can fight with the bigger adv bike!! Good job Yamaha!!
30kg less is a big advantage
smaller but not small though, keep that in mind.
@@nicolasgiraudo6342 30kg less than what?
Yamaha means everything
I am hugely relieved. I just bought a standard Africa Twin and was mulling whether to buy this or the Tenere. For my useage, it looks like I chose well in your opinion too. Great comparison. Thanks you
I am actually starting to think about changing my GS 1250 Adventure for an Africa Twin now..... :)
Great video gentlemen, very helpful for someone debating between these bikes.
_Yamaha Tenere all the way !!
Just 40 seconds and I already love it ... awesome 👌 guys .... keep rocking 😎
A Honda CFR 250 would live those big bikes standing ,over terrain like that.
Huh
A KTM 690 Enduro R would have ran out of terrain before the Honda had even started.
And you also have AJP PR7!
There was a good examples on video. That polish visitors rider on them.
Ok its good offroad yada yada. More seriously, the AT in that colour, wow what a beautiful bike, no? Btw great vid!
If you want to play with a laptop, stay home. If you really want to ride, take a motorcycle without any electronics and do what you feel that you have to do ! Motorcyclism become so complicated that is stealing your pleasures! You're based on electronics instead of your instincts ! That's my opinion, with respect from România.!
I don't care for the computer crap on a bike . I say get a good 650 or 700 without a keyboard just gears and gas . With 60hp or so and have a blast
The only complaint I’ve seen is from people who clearly aren’t good with technology. If you just wanna get on and ride go for something else. But if you want cutting edge tech with the most detailed control over aspect of the bike there is nothing better than the Africa Twin right now.
Great review thanks guys always enjoy watching you!
Great adventure guys looks really tuff , I would prefer a CRF 300 on that trip. Keep the videos coming am loving it
Thanks! Will do!
Exactly! Almost every moment I was thinking how much easier it all would be on my 250 Rally. Not enough slower on the road sections to matter. The only difference would be overtaking ability.
Very great Video and beautiful countryside in Romania. Thanks so much from Los Angeles, CA USA
I realised only today that Cristian Predio had died in a motorcycle accident! I feel so sad! He was genuine in his videos! I feel really bad like losing a good friend! 😢😢
I really enjoyed your videos, the expertise and your humour. Very sad to learn about the accident! Rest in Peace Christian.
Looks like a pretty serious off-road ride for a new rider on a mid-size bike. When picking up a bike it’s best to put your back to it and lift with your legs, this even works on 900lbs Harley Touring Bikes. I’m currently riding a 2021 T-7 and I Love It. I agree the handlebars need changing on the bike, something with slightly more rise and sweep. Ride On.
Right on
This is just the video i needed to see. THank you so much
Moral of the story is don't go off-roading on a Beemer on your own! 🤣
Awesome video. Sure hope they bring that Africa Twin colour scheme to Canada
thanks. hopefully
Another great episode, thanks. Romania looks excellent.
Many thanks!
Africa twin is the wildest one, i can't get enough of it, just put some 400km on it yesterday
So sad to hear…RIP…
Really surprised that you all liked the AT the best for this type of riding. It's over 30 kg heavier. By the way, great job getting the big GS through that terrain. I couldn't have done it.
The basic Africa twin is 226kg so that's only 21kg more. Still a fair bit though. Think the bmw is 229kg if I remember. And only an 850
It's a small gs not 1200
The more I gleam about riding in Romania, the more I want to ride in Romania. The video’s best sentiment? I know the bike can do it, not sure if the rider can do it. Ain’t that the truth!
I have loved the videos you both created and your expertise, this is such sad news, rest in peace Cristian.
Conclusion - Cannot go wrong with any of three fine motorcycle! Wish I have any of these three in my garage right now :D Ride safe and ride happy ya'll.
For me,give me the Ténéré 700 any time over those bikes. It's an amazing bike that can handle just about anything that comes your way. But the biggest selling part for me is the lower weight of 452 lbs, compared to the 503 lbs of the very basic Africa Twin with no accessories. I can add crash bars plus 30-40 lbs of gear and just be breaking into the AT weight territory. Once you hit deep sand or mud, you'll be happy you have a lighter bike.
Another huge plus of the T7 is it's bare bone minimum electronics. The more junk you out in a bike, the more that can brake down. Good luck finding a mechanic in the middle if a third world country who has the specialized tools and know how needed to troubleshoot and fix such sophisticated electronics hungry bikes. And I hope you have the deep pockets needed to replace those electronics if they break down. I saw a video of a guy who owns a KTM and had to replace the some electronic parts and he had to cough up 5,200 dollars to replace the panel and hardness.
Perhaps more and more people are relying on electronics, such as traction control, to cover for their lack of skills. While the T7 is so good with it's basic suspension that it makes you think that your skills are better than they really are. Yes it is that good! Specially for a bike without a computer thinking for you and saving your ass.
same for me, I only had to replace springs in my T7 with uprated ones as they were a bit too soft for my size and riding style but otherwise, I love the bike - offroad non of the other two come even close - I would buy AT over T7 if I planned more road trips or with passenger
Best thing i love about tenere is its CP2 engine
And the way it looks its my dream bike
Its 689cc not that big not that small just perfectly fine light weight can do extreme offroads and smooth long road drives with speed
What an adventure!! Great film guys.....
I´ve owned a F 850 GS and used it mainly for Enduro/ off-road-travel purposes. I´m a offroad beginner, so it was more like gravel roads and a bit of aTET...Last year I´ve ridden the Hard Alpi Tour with the 850 and it was not fun. It felt heavy, top heavy and the suspension wasn´t there...too soft, not progressive and -of course- not adjustable.
After lifting it up 3 times, you are hammered...I´m a sporty guy but this was just brutal.
I did some enduro classes with R 1200/ R 1250 Gs and they are wayyyy easier to ride because of the boxer engine. Unfortunately the price is wayyyy higher on these bikes. If i´ll buy a big GS, it has to be the sport suspension and the TFT or a adventure with TFT....
My budget says still no, so I sold the 850 and bought a 701 with Rally Kit (slightly used) and still got money left to go crazy on tires and equippment. ;)
cheers
Good choice. The 701 Rocks!
So sad news.. I didn't know till today. Ride In Paradise.
There is no true adventure bike, it's just the one on the saddle. :)
thanks guys! Happy owner of Africa Twin. :-)
It ’s a wonderful view.
It can be said that the new price of BMW is cheap in Japan.
The reason is that BMW is relative to the fact that car inspection and maintenance costs at dealers, repair costs and even tire replacement are very expensive.
It is also important to calculate the cost when riding hard for a long time.
BWM has Chinese made engine.
RIP Cristian
My condolences to family and friends
Way to go Nick!
Why turn off the electronics on the Africa Twin? I understand turning off the wheelie control on a steep grade, but otherwise why not put it in gravel or off-road mode and go?! This is not a rhetorical question, I’m really wondering for myself.
Great work guys, really down to earth i shall follow
Love the quality of your videos.
I appreciate that!
RIP! Great video.
Thanks guys for solving motorcycle selection problem
Great comparison.I would suggest to your friend on the 850GS that he puts Rally Foot pegs on.It will make all the difference to his riding stability etc.Thanks.
Thanks. We'll ket him know.
I'd take the lightest bike for street and off road. Light bike means less money on fuel and tyres, easy to control and pick up. Probably Husqvarna 701 Enduro.
We will miss you Christian, Ride In Peace bro, thoughs to your Friends & Family 😪
what happened to him?
@@ccchaosss don't know exactly but he's gone 🥲
Great video you guys! Only problem is, now I want all 3 bikes. And the biker cat shirt. I must have it.
very humble, and so many info this channel, sadly know that you going to another place that much more safer RIP brother 🥺💐🙏
I just heard the bad news. T-T
Excellent video, always love the footage and subjective opinions, even if I disagree.
The t7 is facing an uphill battle with a lot of objectively better bikes in its class, but even with its competition I'd buy another t7. 4:10 is a good example :)
What does it mean?
Can you explain me please?
abs on/off.... easy.@@densepada2848
Africa Twin forever 😍😍😍 La ce craci lungi are Bogdan cred si eu ca le-@ scos pe toate din probleme, mai putin yamaha care nu a avut nevoie de ajutor :)
So was to hear the awful news of Christiana death. Such a loss, loved his videos. My condoleances to loved ones and friends
It's not surprising the Africa twin outperformed the Yamaha. After all the motor is some 55% larger in cubic capacity and the bike far more expensive. You could probably have exchanged the Honda for a Triumph Tiger or the KTM 890 to get a closer comparison with the others?
next time, why not.
The KTM 890 would probably be my first choice, except for how tall it is. AT with the seat in its lowest setting is shorter and felt better to me then the 890.
I feel like I for sure want a lowing kit for the 890. But a lowering kit on the AT would be even better. The real problem with all these adventure bikes is they are all just to tall.
RIP Cristian. you will be missed
Why wasn't the Triumph 900 Rally Pro included in this.
RIP. Christan these guys and over at Drive Mag Riders, must devastated by his passing.
That AT computer section had me dying. For real though, that is what I love about my T7 - dead simple.
RIP 🙏 Cristian 😪 best journalist for Adventure motorcycle
Polish bicycles😪
Perfectly well made show, well done boys
So sad to hear about Cristian; will miss you!
what if we compare Tenere World Raid with Tuareg ??
what suspension is greater then ????
Great viewing guys. Keep it up!
thanks
Great video's, very sad to hear the news.
R. I. P
Now this is real adventure rideing!!!!!
This is what I dislike about modern electronics aids! My Renault Grand Scenic is bad enough! Riding is about escaping the touch screen mentality, at least that is my opinion! Some may disagree! Top marks to Alex, good job!
Omg Cristian rip thanks for all!!!
Time to warm up with some vodka with those dudes you met from Poland! Great video of your adventure in Romania.
Tak jak powiedziałeś w tych pieniądzach Tenere nie ma konkurencji. Africa nadal króluje!
Pozdrawiam.
Rode the T7 and the ATM 2020 offroad n on road and the AT is the better bike all around for me
I bought the tenere this year because i like the simple electronic parts no Android Carplay just riding. To be onest the tenere is on the street not the best but the tenere is very thin so i can pass the trafficjam in Berlin very nice
Nice review & beautiful country but hopefully those bugs dont bite. if you have the legs for it ( I am 6'1 with 36'' inseam) the Honda tall seat on the AT is a lot more comfortable than stock IMO, it is shaped better so it dont slide you into the gas tank so much. So how does that windshield work? I have the stock with MRA Xscreen on it but on open road speed I need a little taller & maybe wider
Thanks for clearly making the extra mile and effort for the review. Nice review. The trip would have been so much easier with 400cc and 100kg lighter enduro bike. So that's the best class of bikes for off road (light weight enduros 300-500cc). You can ride easily few hundred km's with them on tarmac, so I little bit question this whole class of bikes you reviewed in this video. For road trip other kind of bikes rule.
Absolutely. I've had bikes like these before but I've downsized. Every 30 seconds in this video I was thinking "that would be such a breeze on my Honda 250 Rally" (with 900 Euro spent on the suspension). Even on those twisty tarmac roads it wouldn't fall far enough behind to outweigh the vastly better experience off-road. On a motorway, or with a passenger, for 800 km, sure one of these bikes every time, but anywhere the traffic is doing 110 km/h or less I'd be right there on the 250. And it's 48 kg lighter than the T7.
Christian , biker family miss you, rest in peace my friend.
really great video well done guys. i subbed. thinking about a sports/tourer for my next bike.
Other than having a 40% bigger engine and better suspension and electronics, is it really worth spending 5,000 euros on Africa Twin over Tenere?
Nice video, Alex was humorous
thanks
Good video, bit hard to understand you guys at times, but still enjoyed the video, glad you took the time to put it all together.
For me, if I was riding anything like that I wouldn't buy any of those bikes, I'll stick to something more like my beta xtrainer 300.
I want a adventure bike, but don't have plans on ever going quite that extreme, hopefully. Lol
Being an AT owner I approve of this video. haha
Actually I really value the opinions of less experienced riders, just like the expression of getting truth from the mouth of babes and crazy people. There's no underlying reservations about who's sponsoring what and don't step to hard on certain toes, if you know what I mean.
Really nice test
Beautiful video as always, 👍 and beautiful Romania created a place for such tests😜👍 I think I would opt for Africa Twin DCT but 2019 Model💪🏍👍
and Yamaha Tenere 👀👍 Greetings