Funny thing is the only reason Flash didn't die at 13:00 is because storm didn't make. You can see him drop the HT, then pick them back up and start the upgrade after the fight.
its not that storm didnt make it, he either forgot about it or some mismicro happend where he was certain he clicked it but it didnt get startet big ouch! >
What is ladder for - experiment and practice. Winning in the ladder is not important. *Loses to a player playing an abnormal build order and then rages how bad the opponent is.
I like this new lore for Arty's ladder cope. Also, I know it's not at all feasible or probably possible, but I would love a sort of Criterion Collection of the most important/best/paradigm shift/etc, of Brood War games cast. Given how replays are cast now, I'm sure it's not possible, but a man can have dreams.
This is how a real Protoss should play.. shuttles, reavers, storms... and crazy hidden bases then even switch into mass carriers if needed! All of that so that the silly Terran could reconsider going back to Solitaire.
Also Flash is somehow the only one experimenting and not caring about winning while Bisu is here grinding his tournament builds for ladder points trying to win any way possible.
@@Gamerextra1029 so what's bad about raging? First, it's what many guys in the chat watch him for and send TTS giving him money. Second, people react differently. Third, he is usually mad when it's something easy and predictable, a low hanging fruit from a tryhard. The point still stands, ladder = training and experimentation, not fake internet points.
@@blazewarTV 100%. He makes living by doing what he loves, has a family and he`s a living legend in RTS world. He`s done more than all of his haters combined
I don't know, I'm not so sure that Flash likes all of these experimental losses being signalboosted and scrutinized like this. There's a reason we only found out it was him due to RJB fingerprinting him (I think it was him) and word-through-the-grapevine.
This build is just not doing it for Flash. Yeah there was a bit of harass from Bisu early game but nothing huge, and yet Flash's macro got hopelessly behind even though there were no sizable exchanges between them.
I really think he is limit testing and exploring. These are all from the same set of games like, a month ago. Wish that Arty would do more games per day to get caught up, I want to see how he's doing a couple weeks later. Flash had a set against a Protoss recently where they spoke back-and-forth in chat about builds and strategy and he seemed to be taking notes.
yeah it's only ladder so he's probably just testing. But I do think it's a bad build and he needs to change to something else because testing this doesn't seem to be worthwhile. His current build is trying to get every possible tech/upgrade all at once while also expanding.. like yo Flash I know you're God but you need some actual units if you're going to live against a decent protoss
Thank you for casting. Seems like Flash could benefit from incorporating some early game pressure. Delaying mines and speed allows Protoss to be super greedy. Also non-buildable terrain makes it hard to place defensive supply depots to hold 3rd with minimal units which is why upgrade terran worked on other maps.
his description of ladder points really gives credence to the split personality theory caster artosis doesnt care, streamer artosis rages about the ladder and new accounts taking his points
I'd like to see Terran start incorporating SCV's into their battle comp. Like meat shields/in field support, and have a min of 1 or 2 per siege tank. They can repair and help body block, which might be the key to keeping siege tanks around a bit longer. (ie. Terran are A-movers when it comes to siege tanks. Like Russians...). I have one ask for Flash, and that's for him to make it happen. SCV armies, coming right up.
You really really need those SCVs for income. Two SCVs on the battlefield are two SCVs not at home farming up vultures. Vultures are INFINITELY more value for bodyblocking, killing zealots before your tanks splash each other to death, laying mines, harassing during towntime, scouting for extra bases, etc etc. Vultures are the most cost-effective unit and important backbone in TvP. Sometimes you do see 1 or 2 SCVs out there for repairs or throwing down Missile Turrets, but they definitely aren't there for fighting or soaking up damage.
I know the whole point for these recent games is to focus on Flash, but I’m glad to see more Bisu games. Bigger fan of Bisu than Flash. I can see Flash pioneering a way for TvP to be played so that 3rd bases can be taken far earlier than the way it is before. Keep in mind Flash was also the one that was being crazy going 14 CC-first for a long long time and getting meme-d on before. That was before he found a way to expand safely and still being greedy and then became the true macro machine beast he is known for today.
I still want to see some Mind inspired play with this upgrade terrian where you go heavy vulture with mines and a drop ship with 2 tanks. Roam with the vultures... like 12 of them... find and isolate / kill nexus spam with vault tank. Or at least the threat of it. Might be smoking something on that idea though. Hard to say.
Yeah, historically what I have seen from flash sense Remastered came out is that he is a TERRIFYING Master of Many Builds... and he will bring them out almost at random or when its optimal and rip your face off. So I think he's just messing around with Upgrade Terrain to figure out where he can make it work and WHY. Naturally the insights he gains he will keep to himself. And we get to sit there watching ASL wonder why here with this exactly. I am still waiting on Marine, Medic, Goliath again vs Zerg. Its not even his build but just throws it out there...
I get the feeling with some of these Flash games that he's trying to figure out how valuable what he already knows still might be. Basically, hes asking himself if he just needs to polish up his previous builds, or go to the trouble of a full teardown and start from scratch, so to speak.
What if terran built 2nd CC in main, made a bunch of scvs before taking natural? Would still get scv boost and have much easier time to defend one base than two?? 🤔
If Daily Flash Artosis Cast has a million fans, then I'm one of them. If Daily Flash Artosis Cast has one fan, then I'm THAT ONE. If Daily Flash Artosis Cast has no fans, that means I'm dead.
I have to wonder why exactly Flash keeps going Upgrade Terran. Is it just that hard for him to get into the swing of the upgrades after going 5 factories? Or does he think 5-fact is too all-in?
Is it just me or is Flash getting his ass kicked in almost every game? Being out of the game for awhile while everyone gets better and better is tough, so I hope he can catch back up
this is still from the same set of Bisu matches that happened like 2-4 weeks ago, and Flash was/is still in his derust/experiment/limit test/catchup phase I have doubts that he can return to what he once was, being honest -- but I know this isn't the best we're going to see out of him either.
You should always be playing with a learning objective in mind and be pushing yourself to do something new. If you do that the wins will come on their own. Also you won't be mad at losses because that wasnt the goal anyway.
I've been thinking about it lately as well, 1 wraith would at least force the Protoss to adapt and start bringing a dragoon with the reaver drop, and even then you are probably going to get that shuttle. Plus you do not need any special tech to do the wraith so it is not a large opportunity cost (if you have the money then it lets you make another tank when you'd normally be making a goliath, even.)
"Nobody needs imaginary internet points" Arty I do believe I've seen you screaming mad about losing those imaginary points on multiple occasions. JUST SAYING
Being down 50 supply right after a very productive drop. I just don’t think he’ll be able to make this style work. I think the early reavers could have done even more as well, but in all these games it feels like he is completely at the mercy of the Protoss player
Every TvP game, there will be that 1 Probe who will be bragging to his friends about how he the only one in all 5 bases that got 1 kill out of the scouting SCV. 😎
this is still from the same set of Bisu matches that happened like 2-4 weeks ago, and Flash was/is still in his derust/experiment/limit test/catchup phase I have doubts that he can return to what he once was, being honest -- but I know this isn't the best we're going to see out of him either.
ladder is only for practice if you have a goal if you wanna get better or wanna play in a league or tournament or anything. if you just play for FUN ... you know some people do xD then winning on the ladder is the main reason to play the ladder xD if you only play like 1-2 games a week you try to win em xD so i play the most fun builds to me xD not the best ones but the ones i have the most fun with i think arty is always generalizing expecting everyone to have the same goal but thats not the case xD also lets be fair i am so bad when i wanna beat someone good in a tournament or anything no real train in the world will help me, but training to perfect my cheese will :) i might only be forever a c+ noob but i did beat a pro with a 5pool so fuck it xD
I am not following why he's doing the same build and losing basically in the same manner for the same P that IS doing nothing out of the ordinary. A loss in the ladder isnt a big deal but consecutive similar losses ...
Imagine a world where terran scv could have as much value as a probe scout. Then actually have a safe greed that doesnt instantly lose you thr gake because youncan be out greeded by everyone safeky
You know you watched too many BW games in a row, when Artosis at the end of the video says "we got one more guys" and your brain gets irritated on the word "guys", because it thinks that it should be "geyser"
More turrets like playing TvZ instead of the standard zoning turrets or relying solely on goliath could force the issue of commitment to shuttle play. Protoss players have gotten too good at shuttle play and terran players have been too stubborn. I don't see how a couple more turrets to force a better trade can't done optimal within reason on 2 fact.
In all of Flash's new ladder games, he almost never uses drops. In his pro games, he used drops very often. It looks like he's testing certain types of builds and play styles.
Funny thing is the only reason Flash didn't die at 13:00 is because storm didn't make. You can see him drop the HT, then pick them back up and start the upgrade after the fight.
The best part about the Dropship harassment!
that's a very good catch, I usually look for stuff like this on the prod tab but I missed this one!
@ArtosisCasts
its not that storm didnt make it, he either forgot about it or some mismicro happend where he was certain he clicked it but it didnt get startet
big ouch! >
Admitting they are imaginary ladder points may be a turning point in Arty’s life.
Artosis totally missed how Bisu forgot Psi Storm lol
i was wondering why those first high templars just stood around lmao
Also the reaver reinforcement drop dying to mines at 6!
it's definitely hard to get everything when you cast, that's for sure. that's why there are usually 2 casters, plus a third person doing the camera.
I wake up early, made breakfast, and no Artosis video.. 5 minutes after I finish, he posts it, unacceptable.
Clearly the youtube encodes fault!
Throw him a couple bucks to tell him how much mario and luigi is disappointed in him in graphic detail.
just have another breakfast bruh
For shame
@@ptbot3294second breakfast 🥞🍳 🥓 🧀 🧅 🫑🌶️ 🥩 🍔 🍕🍰🎂 go all out on it
Arty with the cold and occasional gurgling gives us a strong Tasteless vibe. Its almost as if this is being casted by Tastosis. Thanks, Arty!
What is ladder for - experiment and practice. Winning in the ladder is not important. *Loses to a player playing an abnormal build order and then rages how bad the opponent is.
hahaha so true. RT called out a bit there.
I like this new lore for Arty's ladder cope. Also, I know it's not at all feasible or probably possible, but I would love a sort of Criterion Collection of the most important/best/paradigm shift/etc, of Brood War games cast. Given how replays are cast now, I'm sure it's not possible, but a man can have dreams.
Ten million Flash games over the last two weeks and you still haven't shown us him doing the NFT build.
he stopped doing that build a long time ago when he realized it was only a short-lived meta.
Meanwhile, Arty in ladder raging like a man baby lmfao
This is how a real Protoss should play.. shuttles, reavers, storms... and crazy hidden bases then even switch into mass carriers if needed! All of that so that the silly Terran could reconsider going back to Solitaire.
If a toss isn't trying to make the opponent rage quit and stop playing SC forever, they're not doing it right
Artosis making the scarab in the thumbnail look like a Diablo 2 mob variant 😭😭😭
I remember the days of D2 🥰
I thought it looked like a Dark Souls invader
All I want to watch these days is Arty casting Flash! I am happy that these casts exist!
Bisu: *PSI STORM. DIDNT. MAKE!*
Appreciate you keeping the Flash games coming!
I for one absolutely CRAVE the imaginary internet points
Imagine watching a PvZ on this channel in 2024.
I'm not bad just because i lose all the time. I'm, EXPLORING!
We've been watching flash for a month but where are we in his return timeline? Are we up do day 3 yet?
Need to buy that slug repellent for the sluggy boys
I think it’s very clear that upgrade Terran does not work against modern PvT. Hopefully Flash switches it up pretty soon
Flash wins: “He’s the greatest”
Flash loses: “He doesn’t care about winning”
Also Flash is somehow the only one experimenting and not caring about winning while Bisu is here grinding his tournament builds for ladder points trying to win any way possible.
For anyone that criticizes your ladder play, I'd really like to see how well they play with mario erotica being monotonously narrated into their ear
You reap what you sow
@@noahbaker-kang5148 That doesn't really invalidate his point thoughever.
@@theSato Dude makes a living off listening to Mario erotica, he’s used to it. No need to make excuses on his behalf.
1:02 There's a compilation or two on YT that suggest Arty isn't exactly practicing what he's preaching here :D
God 0 : 6 Protoss Ape 😂
1:5 *
Bisu made so many mistakes!
Spoiler
forgot Psi storm
awful drop defense
I like how Arty indirectly draws parallels between himself and Flash . From 00:33 to 01:17. Gosh i love Arty😂
The funniest part is how he's trying to make ladder look not important while simultaneously raging about every loss on his Twitch channel 🤣
He's living vicariously through a more successful terran.
I think artosis has a very good life overall @@Lykyk
@@Gamerextra1029 so what's bad about raging? First, it's what many guys in the chat watch him for and send TTS giving him money. Second, people react differently. Third, he is usually mad when it's something easy and predictable, a low hanging fruit from a tryhard. The point still stands, ladder = training and experimentation, not fake internet points.
@@blazewarTV 100%. He makes living by doing what he loves, has a family and he`s a living legend in RTS world. He`s done more than all of his haters combined
Might need to change the name of this channel to Flashtosis - Flash games only. Gets my vote 👍 It’s what Flash would want. GG
I don't know, I'm not so sure that Flash likes all of these experimental losses being signalboosted and scrutinized like this. There's a reason we only found out it was him due to RJB fingerprinting him (I think it was him) and word-through-the-grapevine.
OMG, the constrast between the description what the ladder is here and how he describes it in his streams when playing ladder... :D
This build is just not doing it for Flash. Yeah there was a bit of harass from Bisu early game but nothing huge, and yet Flash's macro got hopelessly behind even though there were no sizable exchanges between them.
I really think he is limit testing and exploring. These are all from the same set of games like, a month ago. Wish that Arty would do more games per day to get caught up, I want to see how he's doing a couple weeks later. Flash had a set against a Protoss recently where they spoke back-and-forth in chat about builds and strategy and he seemed to be taking notes.
yeah it's only ladder so he's probably just testing. But I do think it's a bad build and he needs to change to something else because testing this doesn't seem to be worthwhile. His current build is trying to get every possible tech/upgrade all at once while also expanding.. like yo Flash I know you're God but you need some actual units if you're going to live against a decent protoss
Thank you for casting. Seems like Flash could benefit from incorporating some early game pressure. Delaying mines and speed allows Protoss to be super greedy. Also non-buildable terrain makes it hard to place defensive supply depots to hold 3rd with minimal units which is why upgrade terran worked on other maps.
I hope Flash does better tomorrow!
i feel like this is what it looks like riiiiight up until it's tournament day and suddenly flash predicts every move bisu makes.
his description of ladder points really gives credence to the split personality theory
caster artosis doesnt care, streamer artosis rages about the ladder and new accounts taking his points
When flash arc is over would be nice for Arty to make a video going over the change in strategy from his first to latest games as a whole.
Where is the music?
Flash would have won ...
Of*
@WisecrackJax have is correct. The contraction would've is misheard as "would of".
@@slipperysteve8it’s the meme bro. The meme is "of"
Wood*
@@qcdoomqchow is that a meme? Its just bad grammar.
NOT THIS DAY!
I'd like to see Terran start incorporating SCV's into their battle comp. Like meat shields/in field support, and have a min of 1 or 2 per siege tank. They can repair and help body block, which might be the key to keeping siege tanks around a bit longer. (ie. Terran are A-movers when it comes to siege tanks. Like Russians...). I have one ask for Flash, and that's for him to make it happen.
SCV armies, coming right up.
You really really need those SCVs for income. Two SCVs on the battlefield are two SCVs not at home farming up vultures.
Vultures are INFINITELY more value for bodyblocking, killing zealots before your tanks splash each other to death, laying mines, harassing during towntime, scouting for extra bases, etc etc. Vultures are the most cost-effective unit and important backbone in TvP.
Sometimes you do see 1 or 2 SCVs out there for repairs or throwing down Missile Turrets, but they definitely aren't there for fighting or soaking up damage.
I know the whole point for these recent games is to focus on Flash, but I’m glad to see more Bisu games. Bigger fan of Bisu than Flash.
I can see Flash pioneering a way for TvP to be played so that 3rd bases can be taken far earlier than the way it is before.
Keep in mind Flash was also the one that was being crazy going 14 CC-first for a long long time and getting meme-d on before. That was before he found a way to expand safely and still being greedy and then became the true macro machine beast he is known for today.
Arty, do you have a list of some of your favorite games you have ever cast?
hello guys, is there shift clicking in BW?
Flash constantly taking bigger L's from drops than needed
I still want to see some Mind inspired play with this upgrade terrian where you go heavy vulture with mines and a drop ship with 2 tanks.
Roam with the vultures... like 12 of them... find and isolate / kill nexus spam with vault tank.
Or at least the threat of it.
Might be smoking something on that idea though. Hard to say.
Yeah, historically what I have seen from flash sense Remastered came out is that he is a TERRIFYING Master of Many Builds... and he will bring them out almost at random or when its optimal and rip your face off. So I think he's just messing around with Upgrade Terrain to figure out where he can make it work and WHY. Naturally the insights he gains he will keep to himself. And we get to sit there watching ASL wonder why here with this exactly.
I am still waiting on Marine, Medic, Goliath again vs Zerg. Its not even his build but just throws it out there...
I get the feeling with some of these Flash games that he's trying to figure out how valuable what he already knows still might be. Basically, hes asking himself if he just needs to polish up his previous builds, or go to the trouble of a full teardown and start from scratch, so to speak.
What if terran built 2nd CC in main, made a bunch of scvs before taking natural? Would still get scv boost and have much easier time to defend one base than two?? 🤔
when will flash realize that its not working
If Daily Flash Artosis Cast has a million fans, then I'm one of them.
If Daily Flash Artosis Cast has one fan, then I'm THAT ONE.
If Daily Flash Artosis Cast has no fans, that means I'm dead.
Hey just a suggestion, a request, may we get more Flash casts? These are awesome.
I love how he does not even bother with saying "Flash" in title. We all know, we all know.
I have to wonder why exactly Flash keeps going Upgrade Terran. Is it just that hard for him to get into the swing of the upgrades after going 5 factories? Or does he think 5-fact is too all-in?
Is it just me or is Flash getting his ass kicked in almost every game? Being out of the game for awhile while everyone gets better and better is tough, so I hope he can catch back up
this is still from the same set of Bisu matches that happened like 2-4 weeks ago, and Flash was/is still in his derust/experiment/limit test/catchup phase
I have doubts that he can return to what he once was, being honest -- but I know this isn't the best we're going to see out of him either.
lmao Bisu forgot Storm, no way Flash would have held that attack with it
Red Reaver! 😈
You should always be playing with a learning objective in mind and be pushing yourself to do something new. If you do that the wins will come on their own. Also you won't be mad at losses because that wasnt the goal anyway.
If Artosis wanted to win every game, we will not have audio bot when he stream.
I feel that 1 wraith would make Flash's life immensely less stressful
I've been thinking about it lately as well, 1 wraith would at least force the Protoss to adapt and start bringing a dragoon with the reaver drop, and even then you are probably going to get that shuttle. Plus you do not need any special tech to do the wraith so it is not a large opportunity cost (if you have the money then it lets you make another tank when you'd normally be making a goliath, even.)
from my perspective, all i can see is
protoss rule
"Nobody needs imaginary internet points" Arty I do believe I've seen you screaming mad about losing those imaginary points on multiple occasions. JUST SAYING
He is getting reamed
I’ll be first when you surprise everyone with the “this was scan not flash the whole time”
Nobody needs imaginary internet points if they are conceptually 2700 MMR 😅
Bisu makes TvP look unwinnable
Flash: losing to foreigners and bisu. It looks like the crypto scandal robbed him of his scbw skill like he robbed thousands of people of their money.
He didn't rob anyone. He just shilled a shitcoin.
23 day flash streak
Now that RT has a cold, if he gets chills, is it because he is sick or because he is enjoying the game?
Being down 50 supply right after a very productive drop. I just don’t think he’ll be able to make this style work. I think the early reavers could have done even more as well, but in all these games it feels like he is completely at the mercy of the Protoss player
Every TvP game, there will be that 1 Probe who will be bragging to his friends about how he the only one in all 5 bases that got 1 kill out of the scouting SCV. 😎
Flash is in his beer and pork rinds era nowadays.
Flashsisters... our response?
this is still from the same set of Bisu matches that happened like 2-4 weeks ago, and Flash was/is still in his derust/experiment/limit test/catchup phase
I have doubts that he can return to what he once was, being honest -- but I know this isn't the best we're going to see out of him either.
The guy with imaginary 2400 talks about people not needing "imaginary internet points". lol.
ladder is only for practice if you have a goal if you wanna get better or wanna play in a league or tournament or anything.
if you just play for FUN ... you know some people do xD then winning on the ladder is the main reason to play the ladder xD if you only play like 1-2 games a week you try to win em xD
so i play the most fun builds to me xD not the best ones but the ones i have the most fun with
i think arty is always generalizing expecting everyone to have the same goal but thats not the case xD
also lets be fair i am so bad when i wanna beat someone good in a tournament or anything no real train in the world will help me, but training to perfect my cheese will :)
i might only be forever a c+ noob but i did beat a pro with a 5pool so fuck it xD
zealot good unit
Go FLASH!! ❤
I am not following why he's doing the same build and losing basically in the same manner for the same P that IS doing nothing out of the ordinary. A loss in the ladder isnt a big deal but consecutive similar losses ...
Imagine a world where terran scv could have as much value as a probe scout. Then actually have a safe greed that doesnt instantly lose you thr gake because youncan be out greeded by everyone safeky
Protass op, nurf pilons
Let me guess... FLASH
You know you watched too many BW games in a row, when Artosis at the end of the video says "we got one more guys" and your brain gets irritated on the word "guys", because it thinks that it should be "geyser"
Flash would’ve won!
I confess: i payed artosis and scan alot of money to play mediocre and pretend its bisu vs flash.. i hoped arty would stand a chance though😢
毕姥爷（Bisu）状态这么好么？吊打教主（Flash）好几场了
13:02 / 16:38
:)
Flash would have won
Tryhards think ladder rank is an achievement.
More turrets like playing TvZ instead of the standard zoning turrets or relying solely on goliath could force the issue of commitment to shuttle play. Protoss players have gotten too good at shuttle play and terran players have been too stubborn. I don't see how a couple more turrets to force a better trade can't done optimal within reason on 2 fact.
So uhhhhh is flash washed?
These games are bad.
In all of Flash's new ladder games, he almost never uses drops. In his pro games, he used drops very often. It looks like he's testing certain types of builds and play styles.
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It's just me, or early TvP is broken as fuck? Like really, Terran is just barely surviving all Protoss bullshit for the single chance of attack?
Hey Arty, you always have a cold man, that indicates lack of physical exercises and a poor diet…
7th !!
Spoiler Blocker!
I feel like Flash hasnt played against Best yet. The Gateway man of Best feels like is gonna splatter this kind of playstyle he is trying to force.