I fully agree for the cassidy one! I think that people should recognise that Cassidy has every right to be angry at William and so do the other missing children!
Yes! All the missing children are still children, as a gacha fnaf-tuber with many bottled up problems emotion and personality means a lot to me and I make sure to execute all my characters feelings and emotions nicely.
People And Their Gacha Au's don't make rational sense, in other words their "irrational", like how exactly do you get supernatural powers just by dying?
@@pandalol7118 In UCN it's stated that most of the MC are 'unaware'. I think it's because of the agony, which affects them somehow? Also the animatronics may have been made to be violent at night because William.
0:57 i agree. in the survival logbook, he literally JOKES about the death. “he fell into freddy’s mouth, we had nothing to do with it.” Now he could have been talking about another incident or speaking from the company’s view, but still.
@ghost let me rephrase if, i was writing it off of memory. he actually said (in response to freddy biting a kid) “he tripped and fell into freddy’s teeth, not our fault.”
@@evanssmtkys he did. again, i’m just quoting this off fo memory so it may not be exact but it was something along the lines off “can you hear me? i’m so sorry.”
@@mikev1ctim864 There on conflicting theories on if the Logbook is officially provided by Faz Ent. If it is then Michael probably wrote that in as the company would want him to answer. Even if the book isn't provided by Faz Ent it's likely that Michael wrote that to hide his pain about the bite. He apologizes to BV while he's in the hospital. Regardless while I dislike Mike being perceived as a flawless saint, I dislike Michael not changing or getting worse even more. There are indications that he's changed for the better. It's displayed in the games, the Logbook, & in the books that have characters that are parallels to Michael Afton. While making Michael a saint that did no wrong is bad having him not change at all & with little to no regrets i look is also not okay.
About CC being a vengeful spirit, it's really a good concept. Especially if it touches on the topic of him being "the one you shouldn't have killed", but most of them tend to handle it poorly and make CC's motivations seem like a joke.
Exactly, and on top of that they treat him like a second Cassidy, like stereotypical/bratty Cassidy. Or villainise him, like would you forgive your brother for tormenting you, making you cry everyday and then killing you afterwards, you not even knowing if it was truly an accident or not? Didn’t think so
I have made a alter AU where he is vengeful, but for a good reason. 1 : he was placed a bit deeper in FredBear, crushing his vocal cords 2 : Micheal bullied him physically 3 : he lost some memory’s , and since Cassidy is more vengeful in this Au, he also became vengeful ( also an extra is I made Elizabeth vengeful)
I agree on all of them, especially the Michael one. The Fandom basically made me hate Michael because they can't go five minutes without babying him or making him the victim of everything 🗿 Also, I saw the Neon thing, and I think you're right. I have neon designs, and I think they're a bit...distracting...So I'm trying my best to make it all a bit less neon
Ikr. And the fact, the main character is actually Terrance, he changed his name to Michael, so no one would remember the ‘incident at fred bears diner’ ❤
I can agree on the neon colors, how they make Michael the kind, innocent brother, and how people would make William being controlled from the glitch trap/malware (whatever you would call the suit) on how William was forced.
You make very fair points and I agree with practically everything you said! Honestly to me it even got kind of hard to empathize with Michael in general because I kept seeing people making him seem like the victim and a saint, it bothered me so much I avoided seeing content about him. A flaw a bunch of people seem to have on the FNAF fandom is to put blame on the children. I've seen it with Cassidy, C.C and Gregory too. I just don't see how anyone can prioritize literal robots and killer's over actually traumatized children. On that note I've got to say that I love the idea of C.C as a vengeful spirit, not so enthusiastic about some of the executions of the idea but still a fan nonetheless. Since I also really dislike when C.C easily forgives Michael as if his death was nothing or, since Michael came to suffer a lot after, that invalidates C.C's suffering. That's simply a no to me.
I watch those kinds of videos only to try to make myself cry, for entertainment or for more angst (feels good idk how 🤷♀) but I agree with you, sometimes the worst case is when the SECOND they teleport the C.C/B.V LITERALLY goes all « i fORgiVe yOU mIkeY wIkeY UWUWUWUWUWUWUWWUWU » and not even questions where in the world he is.
@@c0rrupt..305 I understand, I also enjoy watching/reading angst just for the feels it gives. Although I cannot make myself deal with cases like Michael's, I can understand focusing on one characters angst but to erase other people's pain for this character is regularly unbearable to me, though that may be because it's usually my favorite characters pain that is the one being ignored/defected. It has to be a REALLY good plot to make me go through it. Either way, I really wish people would atleast make C.C snap (it doesn't need to be violent, but emotional outbursts can be a way to open up) before resolving the conflict. Or maybe not resolving after all. After all regardless of C.C's death itself having been an accident Mike still inflicted a lot of damage on his little brother before that, so I don't think C.C is obligated to forgive him in any way.
THANK YOU THANK YOU AND THANK YOU!! I hate how people make Michael a saint victim and how they make Cassidy a evil bratty girl💀… it just doesn’t make any sense and I hate it so much, Cassidy is actually a kind child to others(like the time when she helps C.C in remember his past in the journal book)
I HATE when people make Micheal afton seem like some kind of saint when he’s not what he did will never be ok, same with William. I full on agree with you.
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He probably changed after that traumatic experience, but REGARDLESS trauma doesn’t mean anything. He would had to be a bad person to torment his own younger brother.
Y'know what I'd like to see? A "vengeful" CC who's not mad at Michael, maybe upset, but he's moreso scared of him. I think that would be interesting. I haven't seen that a lot for some reason, and I think it has some great potential for an au. I mean, he was a scared kid who couldn't confront his brother for the life of him, who's saying he changed?
Gotta say, i agree with the Michael and William tidbits the most. It’s honestly tiring how many people can’t think and see how one’s behavior isn’t changed too easily
I NEED someone's opinion on my AU before I post "Facts about my AU" so, please tell me, if it's okay if the bite was supposed to be the "final prank"? Sorry it's so cringe I didn't find anything else to make him look angelic i need an angel somewhere
I literally hate people who try and make william seem like a misunderstood character. I told someone that william isn’t supposed to some character that you read into hes the villain. And they said that he’s misunderstood and that they are a “good person” who doesn’t point fingers at people for no reason, and called me heartless for thinking William deserves to go through hell. He killed innocent children for goodness sake.🤦🏽♀️
RIGHT! Like him having truama is a reason why but it shouldn’t excuse him from it. And ppl ALWAYS gets it mix up. Honestly I try to avoid au like that cause it’s old an annoying.
I agree with everything said here. Even Michael, though to a different degree. I'll admit I've defended Michael on a number of occasions, even once in you're previous videos. But he's not some flawless being. Nor is he even remotely close to his father. People often accuse me of being a "Michael Stan" for defending him, but the reason I do it is because I sympathize with him. I was his age once, and I'm an older brother to two as well. I have a pretty shit dad (in prison for the second time, for the sexual assault of a minor) who wasn't very present and when he was around he manipulated me to get what he wanted, and sometimes I can be a jerk to my siblings. Of course I would NEVER even think about doing the things he did to Evan, in fact if I were to meet his younger self I'd beat the crap out of him if I could, and then I'd recommend him a Therapist I know, because as awful as the things he did where, he was still an idiot teenager, reeling from the loss of his sister and with an absolutely wretched father. From a scene from (midnight motorway I think it was called? The car mini game in pizza sim.) we can deduce that he really did care about his brother and was probably pretty decent to him before Elizabeth's disappearance. Add on the fact that the bite should've in fact been a harmless prank and was the fault of William, I think that the bad rep Mike has earned among many isn't that deserved. Of course, "innocent femboy Mike who never done anything wrong uwu" is also a sight I'd like to perge from my mind. After the bite, we lose track of Mike until sister location, where he goes of his own will after his father told him in a note to find his missing sister, and once he realized what had happened to her he kept returning, despite the obvious danger (he saw to workers hanging), to free his sister. And then he got worn as a fleshsuit. Afterwards, realizing his father was to blame for literally every single bad thing that had happened recently, Mike went on a quest to find and burn his father, putting a stop to his schemes, and fixing all the problems his father had made, freeing the souls of as many dead children as he could, including his brother (maybe, the Evan is Gregory thing is still up in the air). Honestly, if I was him and had just been corpsified, I don't think I be able to muster the will to do what he did. I don't think the majority of people would. I don't think he's perfect, nobody is, but I defintley think he's a stand up guy, because after the bite where never shown him not being a stand up guy. And after he finally finished what he set out to do, he burns in the fire of pizza Sim. (and maybe comes back as glam Freddy, in which case I don't even see why there's a debate, glam Freddy is best dad) Sorry, I rambled a bit there, but my point is that while I don't think he's perfect, I do beleive that he's a better person than even you seem to make him out to be, even if I agree with you. William Afton do be a b$@%! tho
I also sympathize with Mike, but i always blame myself for doing it beacuse i think that i do it beacuse when a was younguer i saw those sh!t videos where people victimize him and i though that i was only sympatizing with him beacuse of that, maybe i keep doing it, but after reading this comment, maybe it wasn't just beacuse of those videos...
Sure michal is not saint tbh nobody in the afton family is. Saint and michal afton action when younger is not exscuse although william or nodody did anything to stop michal form bully cc and michl didint rlly have that type of loving family no one to tell him right form wrong. His death was definitely karma so i say it equal now
I‘m so sorry that you and your siblings have to go through such a horrible experience. And yes, I agree with what you said. Michael was an idiot teenager, he does know what he does is wrong, but he still does it. Michael has probably matured now and became some sort of, well, maybe more better person than he was before. Maybe he lost his bullying tendencies and became vengeful to William. He can maybe still hate C.C. a tiny bit because of all of the guilt and hate he got after causing C.C.‘s death.
The only time I like C.C being a vengeful spirit is when he really just ignores/is always mad and does t want to talk to Michael, not when he seriously tried to kill Michael another time lol
I actually do agree with everything. I love how you perfectly understand fnaf, character's personalities and effort you put in your videos. Keep up amazing work💗‼️
This is so true bro, before in 2020 aftons to 2022 ppl still make micheal a saint basically making videos like "aftons react to micheal getting abused" and stuff like that saying he deserves better even though he traumatized cc, yes he was treated wrong by william but still his actions is worse
OMG YES YES AND YES. Especially for the first two. Ppl get confuse that trauma is a reason not an excuse of being a horrible person. And seeing a “perfect” micheal that can’t do wrong is annoying and not a character at all. I agree with everything. Love video 💕
I found myself largely agreeing on most points, though I personally think a Vengeful Crying Child is a matter of characterization and stylistic choice for how they want character interaction to go down, although I can agree that the average execution of Vengeful!CC *does* rather tend to fall flat, usually due to shallow writing or characterization, like they thought of the character trait, but neglected to come up with both a motivation for why it went that way, or how to integrate that change. Still, I tend to get the impression that they're novice writers, anyway, and so either I just write off as a bad job and move on, or else give feedback on how and why something is being negatively received, and offer some tips, as one novice to another. Great video; really resonated with me.
I agree. Even tho I love William, I’ll say that he is not a good guy. And I do agree that trauma doesn’t give you an excuse to inflict it on others. For Michael, it annoys the hell out of me when people make him a saint. Like you said, the bite was an accident, but the torment wasn’t. He did that on purpose and by his own will. Not because he “didn’t get enough attention” or “his friends forced him.” A lot of people make CC vengeful towards William but not Michael. That makes no sense to me. I know that in some au’s, William made the Fredbear plan thing. But when people genuinely believe this, it confuses me. William isn’t the one who bullied and killed CC, Michael was. I don’t think Cassidy is evil tbh. I may not like her, and I may believe that she should let go by now, I get why she wouldn’t forgive him. Also, yes, neon designs are very unappealing 😔 that’s why I mainly use the bottom section of colors.
the missing children are actually just innocent souls that wandered away from the gates of heaven. being that william put them in the suits,the bodies were now fused with the animatronics skeletons,including their soul,and thanks to the animatronic intruder programming it affected their point of view towards others,meaning all they see a human as is a toy that is meant to be broken and ruined.second thing,in my au evan/c.c lost his memories of the past,but he still remembers what happened. but he doesn't see foxybro as michael,he just sees him as "fox boy" or "bully". so in theory he is a vengeful spirit but not towards the michael he sees.
I hate how people purposely make Mrs Afton evil and abusive to Michael just so William can come in and be the 'savior' and stuff to make him 'innocent' and justify his actions
Canonically compared to your au, Michael got a redemption arc which led to him correcting his dad's mistakes and freeing souls which led to him ending what he had become. But there is something always weird to me. Evan wasn't freed.. In FNAF world he regains his memory based on the clock ending, which leads to him finding out everything and never really forgiving michael.
Honestly I agree with all of your points. Specifically “flawless” Michael and vengeful C.C. No character should be flawless, i don’t care if it’s your favorite character. It’s not an excuse. And it just makes it hard to even like Michael as a character when it’s not even the creator’s goal (which is a problem). Now on C.C. This is my personal opinion, how can someone shift to a crybaby to a vengeful maniac right after death? Because that takes A LOT OF development of character. You can’t just snap your fingers and *boom* you’re tough. That’s not how it works. I would like it if it was portrayed good like if Cassidy convinced him to be vengeful or something like that it *might* be good, but no - it’s unrealistic. (But sorry for going on a little tangent on ccs part 💀)
Someone actually make that- A youtuber have an AU where Cassidy and basically all the Missing Children were a really bad influence for Crying Child and that's why he's a brat or annoying with everyone.
I agree with basically everything, but I also want to add what annoys me: Making Elizabeth a completly bratty innocent child. She is manipulative and I think people should respect that she isn't a saint, none of the Aftons are but *maybe* only CC
C.C is the only innocent one, he hasn't done anything wrong, they only think he killed Night guards because the person (Cassidy) who was inside Golden Freddy did it but wasn't he spared by the Puppet on the Happiest day ever or something? That would make C.C the only true angel of the family.
@@janethmedina7441 I mean I guess, but we don't really know that, for all we know he could have killed some people, but we don't know that much of his character, so who knows if he is still innocent or not
i dont like how they make fritz a brat in some aus hes a kid he would be angry at william and untrusting towards him after killing him children natrualy become fearful or hateful towards someone who has wronged them
For the last one, i always get confused with Hazel, Natsumi and Natsu. Many people copy there exact character designs and claim it as theirs. Its so annoyingggg
My Cassidy isn't evil. She's just too far gone to realize that what she's doing isn't helping the situation. She's just angry to the point of manipulating the others.
Sometimes using the neons on oc can be good if u just use them correctly. U can use some dark color and mixed them with a little neon and it might help your oc look better. However this is my opinion, so you don’t need to feel upset.
Finally, someone talked about why making CC vengeful is overrated/annoying! I personally don’t think that he’d be vengeful, angry, yes. But vengeful? Yeah, not my cup of tea- I’ve also noticed of how when ppl make their CC’s, they make him like, 13 and that’s just plain confusing to me-
My headcanon for Michael is after he grew up, he has trust issues and he's not used to affection at all. And his game skin? I think that's what it is? The one where he looks like a low quality human in a game? Looks like he's been crying alot due to regretting what he did afterwards.
We have a bit if a vengeful cc but what you said in this video we completely understand. Some people make him "bratty". And that's not usually a good thing. We are taking about the crying child after all. If you want a vengeful cc you could try to make him less bratty and just make him....feel uncomfortable around the people who he dislikes. Or when he gets mad, Don't over do it.
You’re right about the Micheal one. He tried his best to fix everything and is a good person after all but it’s true that he has a bad personnalité and past
Honestly tbh I agree with all of this, ESPECIALLY the one where people make cc so vengful- Tbh I dont think that he'd actually be that way if you think about it. what is also is annoying is how some people make cc kind of emotionless and some type of weird cannibal, I don't know where the cannibal thing came from but its strange- and why is he so emotionless? like hes a human- humans have emotions they just mae him so blank.
Most people think he is the bite of '87 victim which is specified to miss the frontal lobe (which makes no sense given the bite of '87 victim lived- and the game specifies we're in the year '83,but no one cares anymore and neither do i-) and when you're missing that part of brain you can't exactly feel emotions like normal people. The cannibal thingy is just for fun, literally just a trend, it has absolutely nothing to do with the lore- I hope that answers your questions :)
Also point out that they make William TOO neglectful and abusive than he was portrayed to be (in the games not the novels). And how all of these people keep doing the same shit over and over. And make angst a trend.
I don't know why you complain about that, if he is the William Afton Canon, he is a horrible father who doesn't care about his family being that he is just a sadistic psychopath who gives him more than himself and his goal, the same games and novels give it to understand, and this last one does count because Scott said that they are part of the lore and they were made to solve it
William still didn’t want Elizabeth to see circus baby yes he might have hit her once but not all the time not everyday (in the fourth closet page 304/305 Elizabeth just got hit once it didn’t say that she got abused everyday and to me William just got angry he probably have anger issues) and the silver eyes novels are an complete different universe yes we can use the remnant thing (we know what remnant is because of that book) and the names everything else is not the same universe as the game (Micheal and crying child, mrs Afton,ballora aren’t described in those books) to me William just have anger issues and he might be an workaholic he might neglect his kids a little but he is not abusive
@@funtime_julia_arts2316 Well, we will never know, nothing is canon until is becomes canon and William being extremly abusive or just having anger issues is not canon yet.
@@Remisaku If you are referring to the warning that William gives him, he gave it to him in a very vague way, saying "Do not approach" and that's it, not specifying why he should not and the danger that there may be if he approaches, to the point of believing that he is vague. warning would be enough taking her to the place she was supposed to be away, and when she literally died he left her in an underground where they tortured her by electrocuting her, and in Pizzeria Simulator she only finds her transformation fascinating but not her person
I feel like the bite would have made Michael a worse person for a while. Vengeful C.C, I feel like it's okay as long as every line he has is a video/ when he is talking to Michael isn't about how much he hates him/ the tormentors. It's annoying when people act as though vengeful spirits are in the wrong and should get over it. I EXTREMELY dislike neon designs when not used correctly. William is a serial killer who had no mercy and did it for selfish reasons. I don't like it when they randomly put the blame on a whole different person saying that it wasn't William's fault that __________ killed __________. This comment is getting too long LOL. I'm just going to stop there.
If anything, I would prefer that people make Cassidy AFRAID of William. It just makes sense. Some things i would also like to see more often are: Evan/CC not remembering his death/not knowing that he is dead, Cassidy being vengeful but NOT straight up evil, and William being a more creepy and eerie guy. Something I kinda like but never see is Henry being a phsyco as well. He could go insane after Charlie dying and the Missing kids incident, and resort to getting hellbent on getting revenge on William, making him hostile as well.
Honestly I completely agree xD Edit: also! While you were explaining about c.c being vengeful I remembered a good reason of him being vengeful towards both Michael and William!
michael afton has definitely not changed for the better, well, he’s not saint-like after the bite occurred. he literally makes fun of cc’s death in the logbook; “he tripped on freddy’s teeth (fredbear), not our fault (the tormentors).”
I agreed with everything you said especially when people victimize Michael and William and make Cassidy and C.C the brat's even though they both have the right's too be angry and sad and refuse too forgive, I don't get why people do that, it makes no sense they both caused C.C and Cassidy's deaths and than they have the audacity too play victim at reunion's like Michael does? I hate that, that's why I prefer C.C and Cassidy moment's rather than C.C and Michael moment's. Too me C.C and Cassidy moment's make much more sense especially when it comes too this stuff. I picture them joking around about this. Cassidy would say "Imagine being demonized for not forgiving your killer brother or not" than C.C would say "Imagine being demonized for getting revenge on a man who kills kids for fun" 🤣😂 they could both bond over that 😁 they both get demonetized for not forgiving their murderers in the Gacha community 🤣😂
Honestly I also hate it when people make Micheal powerful,like REALLY powerful,because Micheal is literally a walking corpse.He is equivalent to a walking dead body,so why would he be the most powerful Afton?However this is just my opinion and you don’t have to change your AU if yours is like this.And i 100% agree with you!
Exactly, I once saw one and they made him look like a king or something, it was from a video with a very ironic and I don't know title that says "He stole Golden Freddy from me!!" Even though C.C was in Golden Freddy first but you know the characters the Afton family Gacha community, they don't like to hear too the truth And sometimes even blame Golden Freddy that had no life sentiment at the moment for C.C's death which wasn't actually his fault, he don't walk over there too C.C they took C.C too him and their the one's who shoved C.C into Golden Freddy's mouth, not the other way around. I agree with you too.
@@janethmedina7441WTH!?Micheal some kind of King!?Honestly some people in the community made me hate micheal(they made him some kind of goodie two shoes that didn’t do anything wrong and made him the most powerful afton)so now he’s my least favourite afton.(no offence to anyone and sorry if i did offend you)
@@defokurtkobain honestly I was triggered, all the missing children call Michael father and C.C gets the rough treatment, the moment he got home he got treated badly by Ennard and C.C's one Nightmares which makes zero sense simply because he brings "poor Mikey" bad memories, I was so happy when Ennard was destroyed 🤣😂
Fair points! I agree with everything being said in this video, and honestly the vengeful CC one intrigued me the most. Most people just watch other videos and see that CC's vengeful and rip off the idea. Whenever it needs to be explained, they just make something up on the spot so it doesn't look stolen/pointless. Great video!
Trauma can be an excuse of murder like if he experienced seeing his own child die that causes trauma or if he is mentally insane after those events that could be another reason but it’s you’re opinion.! I totally agree 👍
The truth is that all your points are very valid, although I support the idea that Evan is a vengeful soul but you are right where there is a point where it is annoying how his personality does, and in fact you are the first (or second) person who says that Mike is not a saint :D I really don't like him very much and I was happy when I saw that you said your points why is not perfect (apart from the fact that they overestimate him a lot) great video
I agree with the Cassidy part (and some others too)cassidy is a child,it wouldn’t make sense for her just to be bratty towards other people just because of what he did (unless it was her entire personality in their au,but that’s kinda overused and makes her seem kinda like a bad guy in my opinion) I understand where Cassidy would not want to be with William because of what he did but just making her bratty to anyone in general is making her seem like a bad guy (even tho she might be in some peoples au) but my point is she wouldn’t just be like that out of blue for no reason,it makes sense for her to be vengeful to William but to his family?i don’t think it would work like that since they did absolutely nothing to Cassidy,not to mention they always make Cassidy assume they are like William.
All of these are really great points! I agree with pretty much all of these. Only thing is that Micheal locking CC in his room wasn’t that absolute best example of him being mean. Locking someone in their room is a normal punishment, especially back then. Although it still is NOT good for a non-guardian to do that without reason, so the point can still stand. The video is amazing, just wanted to point that out!
Very much agree with your points. I'm relatively new to the experience that is the Gacha Community in general. As I mostly stayed away due to personal biases and hearing some of the really bad types of content that have been produced by it. Though after seeing some content that caught my eye I have warmed up a bit to watching Gacha videos, as there are some really creative minds here. I've even found favorite GachaTubers due to the quality of the types of content they release. Has even inspired me to try and possibly make my own content. As with all communities there are the ever present "bad examples" for the content produced by fans, but generally I just move on to the next video to find something I do like if I come across one of them. Though, specifically focusing on FNaF Gacha content, I do notice a lot of what you brought up in quite a lot of videos. Some can pull it off better than others admittedly, but sometimes the I feel like the idea was lost in favor of dramatizing the content to appeal to a base audience that just eats it up. It's unfortunate but I certainly understand why such content is produced in vast quantities, it gets easy views and clicks for the related subject alone. I also really, really dislike shipping when it comes to the Aftons as it tends to just get weird. I also feel like some of the standard AU formats get mishandled and are often not that great as they lean heavily into some "Afton Family Tropes" as it were.
I hate when people say that glitchtrap controlled William to kill the kids, I know most of them never even played the car or watched it, Glitch trap is Williams digital consciousness in a computer
completelly fair. In my au, William never had time for his children instead of abusing them, and in the future, he actually tries to treat them well, but he's still a insane murder and only Elizabeth actually likes William. William doesn't like the missing children as they also don't like him, William and Michael are kinda like enemies (although he has changed or not, Michael still burned him alive in Fazbear Frights and William literally tried to kill him as Springtrap and Scraptrap) so none of them is actually "the good guy", William's still insane and Michael still wanna end his whole carrier. Also, I fully understand Cassidy, poor kid lost everything
Vengeful CC caught my eye because I used to have it in my au! I gotta say, when people make him a brat it does annoy me, I completely understand why he would be upset at Micheal (and William in some cases) but making this child that did nothing bad cry most of the time some evil genius is a bit much
I fully agree! This video is wonderful, great job! The last one is especially important, because copying isn’t ok, I’m sure many of us have been inspired by a character (I have been for sure) But straight up copying them isn’t ok.
I also do not understand why gachatubers make there past aftons simple but at the present they make the design with neon colors and random accessories that doesn't fit in there au or storyline, the canon design are simple but they make overaccessorized characters and this doesn't happen only in fnaf, it happens in every Fandom, i hate to say it but stereotypes are going over with there random designs (my apology if your design is what i metion inn this comment)
I agree its so anyoing I'v seen people make elizabeth befor she died with a simple and canon design but after she died they make her get taller with a teenger body and a non canon design like gaving her a flowers in her head and demon or angel wings and pants and a different colors from her canon one
Why cant people just make not weird things (unless AU) so it’s not painful to watch, like not even Afton family videos, but the fact that they came back alive and start living in a house together again like what-💀 They all hate William.
I would really like to see a vengeful CC that isn’t mad at anybody, just upset, more scared of the people who hurt him but still seeks some form of revenge
In my AU Micheal understands what he did and understands he might not be able to make it better but he is willing to change and get help he actively went to therapy after the bite and although he is trying to be better for his younger brother now he understands that what he did is most likely unforgivable and he is certainly no saint as for B.V(bite victim) he is not vengeful but he doesn’t fully forgive Micheal none the less he still gives Micheal a chance to make it better
in my au,i gave william more of a trusted figure identity that being the main reason he avoided arrest so i guess he could be considered "good" publicly
For the first one i believe in the theory of a good William towards his children. When C.C died by Micheal then William wanted to "put him back together" by making him alive again and then he became a murderer and all. And he became evil by being vegeful towards the children that kills him when in Springtrap, and so towards Micheal by killing C.C and making William killed children, like he kinda regect all his sins on Mike.
something that kinda makes me mad is when people think someone is copying someone but people have to understand that there is only so many options till someone is bound to have ether a very similar idea or the exact same idea especially because you are basing it off of a character that has a cannon design, i mean sure there are the spirt ones the bloody dead ones and stuff like that but there is only so many.
In my au, when william found elizabeths body he discovered remnant, hw injected himself and michael to see if it would make any changes, which is what xhanged william and michaels mindset into being killers, luxkily, michael was injectes with a smaller amount, causing him to resist befoee it got out if hand, causing his thoughts to hurt evan, and william of course had the right amount, which is why he is the physco he is.
I guess the William one is very difficult to balance right. Giving him trauma and human emotions (which some call victimizing), especially at a young age, is just realistic. No one just one day decides to be an evil fuck, it's often a combination of trauma, mental problems and the right (or wrong) circumstances, both in real life and in fiction. I think the problem is that some people overdo it or think it justifies his actions (it doesn't, feeling sympathy and justifing murder aren't the same thing)
I agree and I hate people who make Michael a saint, if I'm correct at the Survival Logbook, Michael was stated to joke abot C.C's death saying it wasn't his fault and that it was C.C's fault for crying🗿
in my au Cassidy is old enough to act like a ruler, so she is the "boss" of the other spirits even though they don't listen because they're too young to do anything they're told to do
so many people make mike seem like a ''innocent angel" even though he bullied and killed his own brother like whattttttttttttttttttttt same with william he killed loads of children and made animtronics that were made to kill kids and many more bad things
With Vengeful C.C, I was thinking of making him vengeful, but the type where you’re so scared of a person, that you’re angry. With Michael being C.Cs killer, and him being young when he died, I think it would make sense for C.C to be scared around Michael, just as the missing kids should be with William. Idk if this is a good concept though 😅
@Zain. Well it said he scared CC because he beat him in uno one day and micheal was so mad he scared him CC thought it was stupid but he thought he wouldn't do it again if he pretended to cry but Mike is persistent...
Imagine vengeful CC (assuming it’s toward William ) that even with brain damage that moved with him. I can imagine a CC who will help Cassidy as friends or what’s below friends. Your father was reason for everyone death and yours was the lack of safety features and bad parenting.
F a c t s ( about the vengeful cc part.. ) The reason why, CC is vengeful is because in the au, some of the dead children were his friends and he was very upset after what William did.
With Cassidy this is how I see it: say your a younge child, if someone killed you, and you never got to see your parents or family again, would you forgive the person that killed you after taking basically everything you had in your life? No…or at least I hope not.
you know, I have been making an fnaf au myself, and this video really helped me, it's called the afton circus. where William afton forces everyone into this big circus, it's filled with dark comedy and a bunch of flawed dysfunctional characters with a very small few sane characters, I'm trying to find a way to make them more complex and stuff and this vid helped me out on some ideas! So thank you for that!
I have never had a good look at your oc it looks good I like it. I agree with your points though with some examples I take a different solution to the problem. For instance I take Henry's quote on how Michael wants to be in the fire literally. My take on cc is he is very sad and scared and doesn't forgive Mike not by a long shot but feels that Elizabeth has adequately avenged him for self gain or not. Sorry for the long comment. Not a gt but like creating my own take on the franchise. Love your videos. Have a good one.
In my au C.c controls golden freddy but he cant see or hear soo when cassidy told him about her murder he decided to help her not knowing he was killing his father i think is a cool concept
in my au my william is a bad person but with his own reasons my william has tatarafobia(the fear of death) soo he started killing animals to test despair and the souls to gain imortality but after his son died he started doing more extreme behaviors.Also hes distant of his family cause of his lack of emotions but he tries to be a good father even if he hates michal behavior and elizabeth imature behavior having C.c as the closest to him making his brothers envios
I’ve always felt a deep animosity fits better for CC than vengeance. Obviously he doesn’t like Michael even if he doesn’t speak on it, kinda obvious from the foxy plus he’s head being torn off. But he’s also a very scared kid like you said someone shouldn’t 180 real quick.
totally true. Days going, and always when i go find some afton familly videos to watch, i always see somebody making Michael a innocent thing, i even saw a video of michael saying "papa" to William like a baby! William even picked Michael up like a baby! Like bro! This is disgusting, Michael is an responsable adult. He did fear all the animatronics and tried to save Elizabeth, and feared his brother's death too. It is giving in the nerves of people making Michael a baby! Thats why i dont make so many videos with Michael, and i dont recommend yall trying to make people think who is your fav, because everybody is gonna vote Michael. And i see that alot of people making Michael always being William's main choice of favoritism. Just why? Give me proofs. (My opinion)
I agree with pretty much everything you mentioned, especially that Wiliam part. He's a sociopath who doesn't know sympathy, though in my au I think he would secretly care about his children, in a kind of ''No one torments my kids except me!'' way. If that makes sense. I personally adore Mike, but seeing people make him a saint just annoys me. Or, making him have a dumb excuse as to why he bullied CC. You haven't said this, but I absolutely HATE when people focus on ONE character, and make their entire account just content of them. This usually occurs with Mike. I see one specific person make videos like: ''If Mike was blind'' ''If Mike committed suicide'' ''If Mike was bitten instead of CC'' Everything on their channel has to do with only one character, specifically Micheal. It annoys me. I like vengeful CC, but not when they overuse it, like every line CC has relating to him hating Mike and his friends or William. This is way too long...
I agree with all the things especially with the vengeful c.c one in my second au he may be vengeful but not to the point hes gonna haunt him his entire life he would do little pranks and then to make it revenge like burning his wig and throwing water at him as tho theres times where he can be extremely angry as if he does one prank where hes gonna put his head in fredbear but doesnt let him be bitten just to scare him a lil thats my type of vengeful c.c ig
OMG FINALLY SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS THANK YOU I hate it when they favorite Michael I know it was for attention but evan was to young and Michael is WAY OLDER than Evan and for me I don't think Evan would forgive Michael so easily and if he did it would probably be nearly BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH !!!!
I hate when they mike a good guy there is so much evidence that Michael is selfish man ( survival logbook) but it seems nobody pay attention to this detail same goes for fnaf 6 where in one rare screens there is poster, where mike is represented as Williams puppet
Making Michael a Saint is just something that could of happened when he had all that time before he died to reflect on action and also trying to fix his father's actions in the actually game. There's a lot of things that could of happening during that period if time and people can us it to make their own Michael unique. Ur right to not having to make Michael sweet and kind cause it's not shown in the game. He still kill his brother and tormented for unknown reasons and would laugh when C.C was crying. But like I said before, the time spent alone could changed him for the best or just kept him the same. Making C.C a vengeful spirit is a good idea and could make ur AU more unique and can make the relationship with his family different as well. But in game it's shown that C.C even after death is scared and crying. C.C never really changed and spent most of his time in pitch black and in Golden Freddy/Fredbear. He also got his head crushed and would have memory issues and also the ability to speak. I don't really expect him to remember his death or much of his past. Wouldn't change the fact that he could still be mad about his death tho. Don't victimize William unless he actually didn't mean to kill and ruin both the missing children and his own kids. William would have his own reasons why he want to be immortal, but we all know they aren't good if he had to kill, manipulate, abuse, etc. to get to his goal. Trauma isn't an excuse and never will be. If u have trauma that isn't resolved then get help and don't get other people involved with ur problems that would end up hurting them. If William in ur AU went through all that trouble to make him and his family immortal because he wanted them to be with him then it's still not an excuse to his actions and having to kill other people for that. It's selfish for him then. Make ur AU make sense and remember that no one is a Saint in this story. Even if u want to deny it. The Afton family has and never will be a happy family. Make them happy in ur AU just tell us how and we'll believe it. Cassidy has their own rights for being mad at William. He took their childhood, future, and life away from them and if Cassidy wants to chase and torture William to the end of the world then they can. Cassidy is not a brat and is just trying to be satisfied by seeing William in pain for what he has done them and to all the other people he has wronged. Cassidy is just making sure that William gets what he deserves and if William comes back, so does Cassidy. Either way, ur AU and u get to choose what u want to do with it. Just make sure that most of it lines with the actual game lore and that u would be able to explain the reasoning of why ur characters act the way they do. And aftermath of the fire. Play around with ur AU and don't copy from others.
I agree with the "Vengeful C.C", like, he was a CHILD, after a child being traumatized, it just think about rest peacefully. C.C was 7-9 years old, he'll never think about revenge.
thank you,it kinda helped me think about somethings i was wondering,about the design,i really like to be inspired in people design like yours,but i always try to make my own design,but its kinda hard since its like,millions of people making designs,sometimes it kinda may look really similar to the others even if i dont know the other person who made it before me,anyways,i liked your opinion a lot,it helped me think better about cassidy and michael
the reason of william aftons murder spree is his jealousy and rage for henry. it isnt trauma. its jealousy, some trauma cant so it, william got inspired by a SHOW that his parents brought him to to create freddy fazbears. it cant be “trauma” or what ever they say. its just truly rage, jealousy, and agony. EDIT : im following this from the fnaf timeline, so I sont believe that he was mind controlled or forced, BUT TRUAMA? SRSLY?!
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I fully agree for the cassidy one! I think that people should recognise that Cassidy has every right to be angry at William and so do the other missing children!
Yes! All the missing children are still children, as a gacha fnaf-tuber with many bottled up problems emotion and personality means a lot to me and I make sure to execute all my characters feelings and emotions nicely.
she has every right to kill william. But not the poor night guards cmon poor guys just wanted to make so money and they got killed.
@@pandalol7118 I think that the MC got the night guards mixed up for William or smth
People And Their Gacha Au's don't make rational sense, in other words their "irrational", like how exactly do you get supernatural powers just by dying?
@@pandalol7118 In UCN it's stated that most of the MC are 'unaware'. I think it's because of the agony, which affects them somehow? Also the animatronics may have been made to be violent at night because William.
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i agree. in the survival logbook, he literally JOKES about the death. “he fell into freddy’s mouth, we had nothing to do with it.” Now he could have been talking about another incident or speaking from the company’s view, but still.
@ghost let me rephrase if, i was writing it off of memory. he actually said (in response to freddy biting a kid) “he tripped and fell into freddy’s teeth, not our fault.”
but in fnaf 4 he didn't apologize to c.c? Im very confused
@@evanssmtkys he did. again, i’m just quoting this off fo memory so it may not be exact but it was something along the lines off “can you hear me? i’m so sorry.”
@@mikev1ctim864 oh, I understand now
@@mikev1ctim864 There on conflicting theories on if the Logbook is officially provided by Faz Ent. If it is then Michael probably wrote that in as the company would want him to answer. Even if the book isn't provided by Faz Ent it's likely that Michael wrote that to hide his pain about the bite.
He apologizes to BV while he's in the hospital. Regardless while I dislike Mike being perceived as a flawless saint, I dislike Michael not changing or getting worse even more.
There are indications that he's changed for the better. It's displayed in the games, the Logbook, & in the books that have characters that are parallels to Michael Afton. While making Michael a saint that did no wrong is bad having him not change at all & with little to no regrets i look is also not okay.
Saying Cassidy is bad and William is good is basically saying the police officer is worse then the criminal but with different words.
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About CC being a vengeful spirit, it's really a good concept. Especially if it touches on the topic of him being "the one you shouldn't have killed", but most of them tend to handle it poorly and make CC's motivations seem like a joke.
Yeah agreed. It's a good premise but it's not executed well. Cause then it just makes him a unlikable character.
Exactly, and on top of that they treat him like a second Cassidy, like stereotypical/bratty Cassidy. Or villainise him, like would you forgive your brother for tormenting you, making you cry everyday and then killing you afterwards, you not even knowing if it was truly an accident or not? Didn’t think so
even tho William didn't kill him
@@leighmiller356 Or probably did if Will pulled the plug on him
I have made a alter AU where he is vengeful, but for a good reason.
1 : he was placed a bit deeper in FredBear, crushing his vocal cords
2 : Micheal bullied him physically
3 : he lost some memory’s , and since Cassidy is more vengeful in this Au, he also became vengeful
( also an extra is I made Elizabeth vengeful)
I agree on all of them, especially the Michael one. The Fandom basically made me hate Michael because they can't go five minutes without babying him or making him the victim of everything 🗿 Also, I saw the Neon thing, and I think you're right. I have neon designs, and I think they're a bit...distracting...So I'm trying my best to make it all a bit less neon
yes just yes
Ikr. And the fact, the main character is actually Terrance, he changed his name to Michael, so no one would remember the ‘incident at fred bears diner’ ❤
@@peachdreams9244 Um I believe Terrence is a fan made name 🤔
@@Afuckingsimp let me correct u there, Terrance is in the BOOKS not fan made~ soooo, ur wrong girly
@@peachdreams9244 Really now? Where in the books, I may ask? And which one? 🤓
I can agree on the neon colors, how they make Michael the kind, innocent brother, and how people would make William being controlled from the glitch trap/malware (whatever you would call the suit) on how William was forced.
You make very fair points and I agree with practically everything you said!
Honestly to me it even got kind of hard to empathize with Michael in general because I kept seeing people making him seem like the victim and a saint, it bothered me so much I avoided seeing content about him.
A flaw a bunch of people seem to have on the FNAF fandom is to put blame on the children. I've seen it with Cassidy, C.C and Gregory too. I just don't see how anyone can prioritize literal robots and killer's over actually traumatized children.
On that note I've got to say that I love the idea of C.C as a vengeful spirit, not so enthusiastic about some of the executions of the idea but still a fan nonetheless. Since I also really dislike when C.C easily forgives Michael as if his death was nothing or, since Michael came to suffer a lot after, that invalidates C.C's suffering. That's simply a no to me.
I agree 👍💯
I watch those kinds of videos only to try to make myself cry, for entertainment or for more angst (feels good idk how 🤷♀) but I agree with you, sometimes the worst case is when the SECOND they teleport the C.C/B.V LITERALLY goes all « i fORgiVe yOU mIkeY wIkeY UWUWUWUWUWUWUWWUWU »
and not even questions where in the world he is.
@@c0rrupt..305 I understand, I also enjoy watching/reading angst just for the feels it gives. Although I cannot make myself deal with cases like Michael's, I can understand focusing on one characters angst but to erase other people's pain for this character is regularly unbearable to me, though that may be because it's usually my favorite characters pain that is the one being ignored/defected. It has to be a REALLY good plot to make me go through it.
Either way, I really wish people would atleast make C.C snap (it doesn't need to be violent, but emotional outbursts can be a way to open up) before resolving the conflict. Or maybe not resolving after all. After all regardless of C.C's death itself having been an accident Mike still inflicted a lot of damage on his little brother before that, so I don't think C.C is obligated to forgive him in any way.
Ikr it annoys me that they make michael powerful then william
@@itsYourGirlAllieel Yea
*insert bucket of water *
THANK YOU THANK YOU AND THANK YOU!! I hate how people make Michael a saint victim and how they make Cassidy a evil bratty girl💀… it just doesn’t make any sense and I hate it so much, Cassidy is actually a kind child to others(like the time when she helps C.C in remember his past in the journal book)
I HATE when people make Micheal afton seem like some kind of saint when he’s not what he did will never be ok, same with William. I full on agree with you.
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He probably changed after that traumatic experience, but REGARDLESS trauma doesn’t mean anything. He would had to be a bad person to torment his own younger brother.
I hate how they make him such a softie who's incapable of doing anything without *eNnArD!!1!1!!1*
i mean i ki da disagre this is what i think also bccc like .y fav-
@@l.c.7955 what? Did u have a stroke
Y'know what I'd like to see? A "vengeful" CC who's not mad at Michael, maybe upset, but he's moreso scared of him. I think that would be interesting. I haven't seen that a lot for some reason, and I think it has some great potential for an au. I mean, he was a scared kid who couldn't confront his brother for the life of him, who's saying he changed?
Exactly!
Actually Nina'sAU (yes that's her name) make this in her recents videos, ofc in the olds it was different, but now her Crying Child is like this.
@@gilbertgoosey gOre?
oh oh
@@Yurki9472 do you have her channel..?
I might just do that !
I hate it, when they make william simping over mrs. Afton.
Same it gets over used
@@sedra9076it’s only in a few aus..?
@@V_haunting_in_the_comments well there are many people still doing this and just copy it
@@sedra9076 it’s mostly for humor
How tf do you hate it? I honestly love those aus
Gotta say, i agree with the Michael and William tidbits the most. It’s honestly tiring how many people can’t think and see how one’s behavior isn’t changed too easily
I NEED someone's opinion on my AU before I post
"Facts about my AU"
so, please tell me, if it's okay
if the bite was supposed to be the "final prank"?
Sorry it's so cringe I didn't find anything else to make him look angelic
i need an angel somewhere
Dying for cringe behind camera 😃
@@c0rrupt..305 Hm, I think I know what you’re talking about, but the wording’s a bit confusing lol. Mind if I ask to elaborate?
@@c0rrupt..305 I don’t get it
@@mae4life527 yk what me neither
I literally hate people who try and make william seem like a misunderstood character. I told someone that william isn’t supposed to some character that you read into hes the villain. And they said that he’s misunderstood and that they are a “good person” who doesn’t point fingers at people for no reason, and called me heartless for thinking William deserves to go through hell. He killed innocent children for goodness sake.🤦🏽♀️
RIGHT! Like him having truama is a reason why but it shouldn’t excuse him from it. And ppl ALWAYS gets it mix up. Honestly I try to avoid au like that cause it’s old an annoying.
@@mae4life527 Yeah. NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING, justifies murder.
I mean at least that person deserved to die but ok🧍
Yes. Let the antagonist be the antagonist. No questions asked, no excuses, no explanations required.
@@totallynotdarla YESSS
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I agree with everything said here. Even Michael, though to a different degree. I'll admit I've defended Michael on a number of occasions, even once in you're previous videos. But he's not some flawless being. Nor is he even remotely close to his father. People often accuse me of being a "Michael Stan" for defending him, but the reason I do it is because I sympathize with him. I was his age once, and I'm an older brother to two as well. I have a pretty shit dad (in prison for the second time, for the sexual assault of a minor) who wasn't very present and when he was around he manipulated me to get what he wanted, and sometimes I can be a jerk to my siblings. Of course I would NEVER even think about doing the things he did to Evan, in fact if I were to meet his younger self I'd beat the crap out of him if I could, and then I'd recommend him a Therapist I know, because as awful as the things he did where, he was still an idiot teenager, reeling from the loss of his sister and with an absolutely wretched father. From a scene from (midnight motorway I think it was called? The car mini game in pizza sim.) we can deduce that he really did care about his brother and was probably pretty decent to him before Elizabeth's disappearance. Add on the fact that the bite should've in fact been a harmless prank and was the fault of William, I think that the bad rep Mike has earned among many isn't that deserved. Of course, "innocent femboy Mike who never done anything wrong uwu" is also a sight I'd like to perge from my mind. After the bite, we lose track of Mike until sister location, where he goes of his own will after his father told him in a note to find his missing sister, and once he realized what had happened to her he kept returning, despite the obvious danger (he saw to workers hanging), to free his sister. And then he got worn as a fleshsuit. Afterwards, realizing his father was to blame for literally every single bad thing that had happened recently, Mike went on a quest to find and burn his father, putting a stop to his schemes, and fixing all the problems his father had made, freeing the souls of as many dead children as he could, including his brother (maybe, the Evan is Gregory thing is still up in the air). Honestly, if I was him and had just been corpsified, I don't think I be able to muster the will to do what he did. I don't think the majority of people would. I don't think he's perfect, nobody is, but I defintley think he's a stand up guy, because after the bite where never shown him not being a stand up guy. And after he finally finished what he set out to do, he burns in the fire of pizza Sim. (and maybe comes back as glam Freddy, in which case I don't even see why there's a debate, glam Freddy is best dad) Sorry, I rambled a bit there, but my point is that while I don't think he's perfect, I do beleive that he's a better person than even you seem to make him out to be, even if I agree with you.
William Afton do be a b$@%! tho
I also sympathize with Mike, but i always blame myself for doing it beacuse i think that i do it beacuse when a was younguer i saw those sh!t videos where people victimize him and i though that i was only sympatizing with him beacuse of that, maybe i keep doing it, but after reading this comment, maybe it wasn't just beacuse of those videos...
@@Yurki9472 SAME people used to make Michael look like an ‘Angel’ he’s not! But bc ppl victimized Michael, I thought he was good and C.C was bad!
Sure michal is not saint tbh nobody in the afton family is. Saint and michal afton action when younger is not exscuse although william or nodody did anything to stop michal form bully cc and michl didint rlly have that type of loving family no one to tell him right form wrong. His death was definitely karma so i say it equal now
I‘m so sorry that you and your siblings have to go through such a horrible experience.
And yes, I agree with what you said. Michael was an idiot teenager, he does know what he does is wrong, but he still does it.
Michael has probably matured now and became some sort of, well, maybe more better person than he was before. Maybe he lost his bullying tendencies and became vengeful to William. He can maybe still hate C.C. a tiny bit because of all of the guilt and hate he got after causing C.C.‘s death.
The only time I like C.C being a vengeful spirit is when he really just ignores/is always mad and does t want to talk to Michael, not when he seriously tried to kill Michael another time lol
I actually do agree with everything. I love how you perfectly understand fnaf, character's personalities and effort you put in your videos. Keep up amazing work💗‼️
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This is so true bro, before in 2020 aftons to 2022 ppl still make micheal a saint basically making videos like "aftons react to micheal getting abused" and stuff like that saying he deserves better even though he traumatized cc, yes he was treated wrong by william but still his actions is worse
OMG YES YES AND YES. Especially for the first two. Ppl get confuse that trauma is a reason not an excuse of being a horrible person. And seeing a “perfect” micheal that can’t do wrong is annoying and not a character at all. I agree with everything. Love video 💕
I found myself largely agreeing on most points, though I personally think a Vengeful Crying Child is a matter of characterization and stylistic choice for how they want character interaction to go down, although I can agree that the average execution of Vengeful!CC *does* rather tend to fall flat, usually due to shallow writing or characterization, like they thought of the character trait, but neglected to come up with both a motivation for why it went that way, or how to integrate that change.
Still, I tend to get the impression that they're novice writers, anyway, and so either I just write off as a bad job and move on, or else give feedback on how and why something is being negatively received, and offer some tips, as one novice to another.
Great video; really resonated with me.
I agree.
Even tho I love William, I’ll say that he is not a good guy. And I do agree that trauma doesn’t give you an excuse to inflict it on others.
For Michael, it annoys the hell out of me when people make him a saint. Like you said, the bite was an accident, but the torment wasn’t. He did that on purpose and by his own will. Not because he “didn’t get enough attention” or “his friends forced him.”
A lot of people make CC vengeful towards William but not Michael. That makes no sense to me. I know that in some au’s, William made the Fredbear plan thing. But when people genuinely believe this, it confuses me. William isn’t the one who bullied and killed CC, Michael was.
I don’t think Cassidy is evil tbh. I may not like her, and I may believe that she should let go by now, I get why she wouldn’t forgive him. Also, yes, neon designs are very unappealing 😔 that’s why I mainly use the bottom section of colors.
the missing children are actually just innocent souls that wandered away from the gates of heaven. being that william put them in the suits,the bodies were now fused with the animatronics skeletons,including their soul,and thanks to the animatronic intruder programming it affected their point of view towards others,meaning all they see a human as is a toy that is meant to be broken and ruined.second thing,in my au evan/c.c lost his memories of the past,but he still remembers what happened. but he doesn't see foxybro as michael,he just sees him as "fox boy" or "bully". so in theory he is a vengeful spirit but not towards the michael he sees.
I hate how people purposely make Mrs Afton evil and abusive to Michael just so William can come in and be the 'savior' and stuff to make him 'innocent' and justify his actions
Canonically compared to your au,
Michael got a redemption arc which led to him correcting his dad's mistakes and freeing souls which led to him ending what he had become.
But there is something always weird to me.
Evan wasn't freed..
In FNAF world he regains his memory based on the clock ending, which leads to him finding out everything and never really forgiving michael.
Honestly I agree with all of your points. Specifically “flawless” Michael and vengeful C.C. No character should be flawless, i don’t care if it’s your favorite character. It’s not an excuse. And it just makes it hard to even like Michael as a character when it’s not even the creator’s goal (which is a problem). Now on C.C. This is my personal opinion, how can someone shift to a crybaby to a vengeful maniac right after death? Because that takes A LOT OF development of character. You can’t just snap your fingers and *boom* you’re tough. That’s not how it works. I would like it if it was portrayed good like if Cassidy convinced him to be vengeful or something like that it *might* be good, but no - it’s unrealistic.
(But sorry for going on a little tangent on ccs part 💀)
Someone actually make that-
A youtuber have an AU where Cassidy and basically all the Missing Children were a really bad influence for Crying Child and that's why he's a brat or annoying with everyone.
I agree with basically everything, but I also want to add what annoys me: Making Elizabeth a completly bratty innocent child. She is manipulative and I think people should respect that she isn't a saint, none of the Aftons are but *maybe* only CC
C.C is the only innocent one, he hasn't done anything wrong, they only think he killed Night guards because the person (Cassidy) who was inside Golden Freddy did it but wasn't he spared by the Puppet on the Happiest day ever or something? That would make C.C the only true angel of the family.
@@janethmedina7441 I mean I guess, but we don't really know that, for all we know he could have killed some people, but we don't know that much of his character, so who knows if he is still innocent or not
@@jaycffee8805 perhaps... maybe 🤔... maybe not... maybe just maybe
I don’t think any afton is innocent or sane but I think C.C. Is less compare from the others.
ikr 🤯
i dont like how they make fritz a brat in some aus hes a kid he would be angry at william and untrusting towards him after killing him children natrualy become fearful or hateful towards someone who has wronged them
For the last one, i always get confused with Hazel, Natsumi and Natsu. Many people copy there exact character designs and claim it as theirs. Its so annoyingggg
Funny enough that’s what I was thinking of while making that statement 😅
My Cassidy isn't evil. She's just too far gone to realize that what she's doing isn't helping the situation. She's just angry to the point of manipulating the others.
Sometimes using the neons on oc can be good if u just use them correctly.
U can use some dark color and mixed them with a little neon and it might help your oc look better.
However this is my opinion, so you don’t need to feel upset.
Finally, someone talked about why making CC vengeful is overrated/annoying!
I personally don’t think that he’d be vengeful, angry, yes. But vengeful?
Yeah, not my cup of tea-
I’ve also noticed of how when ppl make their CC’s, they make him like, 13 and that’s just plain confusing to me-
Bro they make Micheal look like some 16 year old. He was literally like 30 or something when he got scooped💀.
My headcanon for Michael is after he grew up, he has trust issues and he's not used to affection at all. And his game skin? I think that's what it is? The one where he looks like a low quality human in a game? Looks like he's been crying alot due to regretting what he did afterwards.
We have a bit if a vengeful cc but what you said in this video we completely understand. Some people make him "bratty". And that's not usually a good thing. We are taking about the crying child after all. If you want a vengeful cc you could try to make him less bratty and just make him....feel uncomfortable around the people who he dislikes. Or when he gets mad, Don't over do it.
You’re right about the Micheal one. He tried his best to fix everything and is a good person after all but it’s true that he has a bad personnalité and past
Honestly tbh I agree with all of this, ESPECIALLY the one where people make cc so vengful- Tbh I dont think that he'd actually be that way if you think about it. what is also is annoying is how some people make cc kind of emotionless and some type of weird cannibal, I don't know where the cannibal thing came from but its strange- and why is he so emotionless? like hes a human- humans have emotions they just mae him so blank.
Most people think he is the bite of '87 victim which is specified to miss the frontal lobe (which makes no sense given the bite of '87 victim lived- and the game specifies we're in the year '83,but no one cares anymore and neither do i-) and when you're missing that part of brain you can't exactly feel emotions like normal people. The cannibal thingy is just for fun, literally just a trend, it has absolutely nothing to do with the lore-
I hope that answers your questions :)
@@comiclord673 Oh well alr! Ty!! ^^
Also point out that they make William TOO neglectful and abusive than he was portrayed to be (in the games not the novels). And how all of these people keep doing the same shit over and over. And make angst a trend.
I don't know why you complain about that, if he is the William Afton Canon, he is a horrible father who doesn't care about his family being that he is just a sadistic psychopath who gives him more than himself and his goal, the same games and novels give it to understand, and this last one does count because Scott said that they are part of the lore and they were made to solve it
William still didn’t want Elizabeth to see circus baby yes he might have hit her once but not all the time not everyday (in the fourth closet page 304/305 Elizabeth just got hit once it didn’t say that she got abused everyday and to me William just got angry he probably have anger issues) and the silver eyes novels are an complete different universe yes we can use the remnant thing (we know what remnant is because of that book) and the names everything else is not the same universe as the game (Micheal and crying child, mrs Afton,ballora aren’t described in those books) to me William just have anger issues and he might be an workaholic he might neglect his kids a little but he is not abusive
@@funtime_julia_arts2316 Well, we will never know, nothing is canon until is becomes canon and William being extremly abusive or just having anger issues is not canon yet.
@@castillomarquez1 it does seem like he does care about Elizabeth in the games
@@Remisaku If you are referring to the warning that William gives him, he gave it to him in a very vague way, saying "Do not approach" and that's it, not specifying why he should not and the danger that there may be if he approaches, to the point of believing that he is vague. warning would be enough taking her to the place she was supposed to be away, and when she literally died he left her in an underground where they tortured her by electrocuting her, and in Pizzeria Simulator she only finds her transformation fascinating but not her person
I feel like the bite would have made Michael a worse person for a while.
Vengeful C.C, I feel like it's okay as long as every line he has is a video/ when he is talking to Michael isn't about how much he hates him/ the tormentors.
It's annoying when people act as though vengeful spirits are in the wrong and should get over it.
I EXTREMELY dislike neon designs when not used correctly.
William is a serial killer who had no mercy and did it for selfish reasons. I don't like it when they randomly put the blame on a whole different person saying that it wasn't William's fault that __________ killed __________.
This comment is getting too long LOL. I'm just going to stop there.
My limit to comments is god knows how long💀
If anything, I would prefer that people make Cassidy AFRAID of William. It just makes sense. Some things i would also like to see more often are: Evan/CC not remembering his death/not knowing that he is dead, Cassidy being vengeful but NOT straight up evil, and William being a more creepy and eerie guy. Something I kinda like but never see is Henry being a phsyco as well. He could go insane after Charlie dying and the Missing kids incident, and resort to getting hellbent on getting revenge on William, making him hostile as well.
My Cassidy used to be afraid of William until UCN
@@Wolfie984Angel Noice
Honestly I completely agree xD
Edit: also! While you were explaining about c.c being vengeful I remembered a good reason of him being vengeful towards both Michael and William!
The only animatronic that has an excuse to be neon is circus baby
michael afton has definitely not changed for the better, well, he’s not saint-like after the bite occurred. he literally makes fun of cc’s death in the logbook; “he tripped on freddy’s teeth (fredbear), not our fault (the tormentors).”
bruh..."He tripped on Freddy's teeth"? I think their the one's are tripping 🤣😂 are they on drugs cause that made no sense whatsoever 🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂
@@janethmedina7441 tell that to michael, not me lol
@@panstanfan Lol 😂🤣🤣😆 I can't even take him seriously 😂 why do people even like him? He's not even smart at all 🤣😂
What page?
@@Remisaku page 21
I agreed with everything you said especially when people victimize Michael and William and make Cassidy and C.C the brat's even though they both have the right's too be angry and sad and refuse too forgive, I don't get why people do that, it makes no sense they both caused C.C and Cassidy's deaths and than they have the audacity too play victim at reunion's like Michael does? I hate that, that's why I prefer C.C and Cassidy moment's rather than C.C and Michael moment's. Too me C.C and Cassidy moment's make much more sense especially when it comes too this stuff. I picture them joking around about this. Cassidy would say "Imagine being demonized for not forgiving your killer brother or not" than C.C would say "Imagine being demonized for getting revenge on a man who kills kids for fun" 🤣😂 they could both bond over that 😁 they both get demonetized for not forgiving their murderers in the Gacha community 🤣😂
Honestly I also hate it when people make Micheal powerful,like REALLY powerful,because Micheal is literally a walking corpse.He is equivalent to a walking dead body,so why would he be the most powerful Afton?However this is just my opinion and you don’t have to change your AU if yours is like this.And i 100% agree with you!
Exactly, I once saw one and they made him look like a king or something, it was from a video with a very ironic and I don't know title that says "He stole Golden Freddy from me!!" Even though C.C was in Golden Freddy first but you know the characters the Afton family Gacha community, they don't like to hear too the truth And sometimes even blame Golden Freddy that had no life sentiment at the moment for C.C's death which wasn't actually his fault, he don't walk over there too C.C they took C.C too him and their the one's who shoved C.C into Golden Freddy's mouth, not the other way around. I agree with you too.
@@janethmedina7441WTH!?Micheal some kind of King!?Honestly some people in the community made me hate micheal(they made him some kind of goodie two shoes that didn’t do anything wrong and made him the most powerful afton)so now he’s my least favourite afton.(no offence to anyone and sorry if i did offend you)
@@defokurtkobain honestly I was triggered, all the missing children call Michael father and C.C gets the rough treatment, the moment he got home he got treated badly by Ennard and C.C's one Nightmares which makes zero sense simply because he brings "poor Mikey" bad memories, I was so happy when Ennard was destroyed 🤣😂
@@janethmedina7441 YESSS JUSTICE FOR C.C!!!
@@defokurtkobain Yesss >:D
Fair points!
I agree with everything being said in this video, and honestly the vengeful CC one intrigued me the most.
Most people just watch other videos and see that CC's vengeful and rip off the idea. Whenever it needs to be explained, they just make something up on the spot so it doesn't look stolen/pointless. Great video!
Dude I agree with you so much, people seriously need to stop making William look like he’s the good guy
Trauma can be an excuse of murder like if he experienced seeing his own child die that causes trauma or if he is mentally insane after those events that could be another reason but it’s you’re opinion.! I totally agree 👍
The truth is that all your points are very valid, although I support the idea that Evan is a vengeful soul but you are right where there is a point where it is annoying how his personality does, and in fact you are the first (or second) person who says that Mike is not a saint :D I really don't like him very much and I was happy when I saw that you said your points why is not perfect (apart from the fact that they overestimate him a lot) great video
I actually see this more as tips,I just love your AU-
I agree with the Cassidy part (and some others too)cassidy is a child,it wouldn’t make sense for her just to be bratty towards other people just because of what he did (unless it was her entire personality in their au,but that’s kinda overused and makes her seem kinda like a bad guy in my opinion) I understand where Cassidy would not want to be with William because of what he did but just making her bratty to anyone in general is making her seem like a bad guy (even tho she might be in some peoples au) but my point is she wouldn’t just be like that out of blue for no reason,it makes sense for her to be vengeful to William but to his family?i don’t think it would work like that since they did absolutely nothing to Cassidy,not to mention they always make Cassidy assume they are like William.
All of these are really great points! I agree with pretty much all of these. Only thing is that Micheal locking CC in his room wasn’t that absolute best example of him being mean. Locking someone in their room is a normal punishment, especially back then. Although it still is NOT good for a non-guardian to do that without reason, so the point can still stand. The video is amazing, just wanted to point that out!
Very much agree with your points. I'm relatively new to the experience that is the Gacha Community in general. As I mostly stayed away due to personal biases and hearing some of the really bad types of content that have been produced by it. Though after seeing some content that caught my eye I have warmed up a bit to watching Gacha videos, as there are some really creative minds here. I've even found favorite GachaTubers due to the quality of the types of content they release. Has even inspired me to try and possibly make my own content.
As with all communities there are the ever present "bad examples" for the content produced by fans, but generally I just move on to the next video to find something I do like if I come across one of them.
Though, specifically focusing on FNaF Gacha content, I do notice a lot of what you brought up in quite a lot of videos. Some can pull it off better than others admittedly, but sometimes the I feel like the idea was lost in favor of dramatizing the content to appeal to a base audience that just eats it up. It's unfortunate but I certainly understand why such content is produced in vast quantities, it gets easy views and clicks for the related subject alone. I also really, really dislike shipping when it comes to the Aftons as it tends to just get weird. I also feel like some of the standard AU formats get mishandled and are often not that great as they lean heavily into some "Afton Family Tropes" as it were.
I hate when people say that glitchtrap controlled William to kill the kids,
I know most of them never even played the car or watched it,
Glitch trap is Williams digital consciousness in a computer
completelly fair. In my au, William never had time for his children instead of abusing them, and in the future, he actually tries to treat them well, but he's still a insane murder and only Elizabeth actually likes William. William doesn't like the missing children as they also don't like him, William and Michael are kinda like enemies (although he has changed or not, Michael still burned him alive in Fazbear Frights and William literally tried to kill him as Springtrap and Scraptrap) so none of them is actually "the good guy", William's still insane and Michael still wanna end his whole carrier.
Also, I fully understand Cassidy, poor kid lost everything
Vengeful CC caught my eye because I used to have it in my au! I gotta say, when people make him a brat it does annoy me, I completely understand why he would be upset at Micheal (and William in some cases) but making this child that did nothing bad cry most of the time some evil genius is a bit much
I fully agree! This video is wonderful, great job! The last one is especially important, because copying isn’t ok, I’m sure many of us have been inspired by a character (I have been for sure) But straight up copying them isn’t ok.
I also do not understand why gachatubers make there past aftons simple but at the present they make the design with neon colors and random accessories that doesn't fit in there au or storyline, the canon design are simple but they make overaccessorized characters and this doesn't happen only in fnaf, it happens in every Fandom, i hate to say it but stereotypes are going over with there random designs (my apology if your design is what i metion inn this comment)
I agree its so anyoing
I'v seen people make elizabeth befor she died with a simple and canon design but after she died they make her get taller with a teenger body and a non canon design like gaving her a flowers in her head and demon or angel wings and pants and a different colors from her canon one
Why cant people just make not weird things (unless AU) so it’s not painful to watch, like not even Afton family videos, but the fact that they came back alive and start living in a house together again like what-💀 They all hate William.
Honestly I want to see your oc hug Cassidy for a short. Something about giving the now touchable spirits some comfort
I would really like to see a vengeful CC that isn’t mad at anybody, just upset, more scared of the people who hurt him but still seeks some form of revenge
I agree, i dont like neon designs either, but SPARKLE AFTONS NEON DESIGNS ARE A MASTERPIECE
1:52 yes bro Cassidy just always did the right thing, she for me is the heroic child, whoever thinks she's a villain, certainly drank
In my AU Micheal understands what he did and understands he might not be able to make it better but he is willing to change and get help he actively went to therapy after the bite and although he is trying to be better for his younger brother now he understands that what he did is most likely unforgivable and he is certainly no saint as for B.V(bite victim) he is not vengeful but he doesn’t fully forgive Micheal none the less he still gives Micheal a chance to make it better
in my au,i gave william more of a trusted figure identity that being the main reason he avoided arrest so i guess he could be considered "good" publicly
For the first one i believe in the theory of a good William towards his children. When C.C died by Micheal then William wanted to "put him back together" by making him alive again and then he became a murderer and all. And he became evil by being vegeful towards the children that kills him when in Springtrap, and so towards Micheal by killing C.C and making William killed children, like he kinda regect all his sins on Mike.
For the true He didn't care at all about his kids in canon😅told this have a good day 👍
I hate that the fandom made a lot of people hate michael , I just hope everyone stops making him so saint bc he is a good character but they ruin him
something that kinda makes me mad is when people think someone is copying someone but people have to understand that there is only so many options till someone is bound to have ether a very similar idea or the exact same idea especially because you are basing it off of a character that has a cannon design, i mean sure there are the spirt ones the bloody dead ones and stuff like that but there is only so many.
For making William the victim, people say that "glitchtrap was in control of William" so, it really depends on their au I guess.
The neon Mohawk design actually isn’t bad it’s just kind of eye blinding
In my au, when william found elizabeths body he discovered remnant, hw injected himself and michael to see if it would make any changes, which is what xhanged william and michaels mindset into being killers, luxkily, michael was injectes with a smaller amount, causing him to resist befoee it got out if hand, causing his thoughts to hurt evan, and william of course had the right amount, which is why he is the physco he is.
I guess the William one is very difficult to balance right. Giving him trauma and human emotions (which some call victimizing), especially at a young age, is just realistic. No one just one day decides to be an evil fuck, it's often a combination of trauma, mental problems and the right (or wrong) circumstances, both in real life and in fiction. I think the problem is that some people overdo it or think it justifies his actions (it doesn't, feeling sympathy and justifing murder aren't the same thing)
You know i fell like when Michael was burn down,
He finally met cc in after life
I agree and I hate people who make Michael a saint, if I'm correct at the Survival Logbook, Michael was stated to joke abot C.C's death saying it wasn't his fault and that it was C.C's fault for crying🗿
You made some very good points :))
Some of these I agree with a lot (your designs are beautiful btw!)
in my au Cassidy is old enough to act like a ruler, so she is the "boss" of the other spirits even though they don't listen because they're too young to do anything they're told to do
so many people make mike seem like a ''innocent angel" even though he bullied and killed his own brother like whattttttttttttttttttttt same with william he killed loads of children and made animtronics that were made to kill kids and many more bad things
With Vengeful C.C, I was thinking of making him vengeful, but the type where you’re so scared of a person, that you’re angry. With Michael being C.Cs killer, and him being young when he died, I think it would make sense for C.C to be scared around Michael, just as the missing kids should be with William. Idk if this is a good concept though 😅
I never made an Afton Family Video because honestly there’s no way for me to BRING THEM TOGETHER with there being some MASSIVE CONFLICT.
I've just watched a dude make the entire fnaf lore and CC cried on purpose
I also saw that they said it was Canon some how?! I still don't get jt
@Zain. Well it said he scared CC because he beat him in uno one day and micheal was so mad he scared him CC thought it was stupid but he thought he wouldn't do it again if he pretended to cry but Mike is persistent...
This might be true
@Zain. welp then that popular fnaf youtuber made a mistake on that huge part of the story how sad...
(Michael also got very angry..)
I hope this thread is satire cause that series is literally supposed to be a joke and poke fun at it
In the afton videos i hate that Crying child forgive Mike.
Same
Imagine vengeful CC (assuming it’s toward William ) that even with brain damage that moved with him. I can imagine a CC who will help Cassidy as friends or what’s below friends. Your father was reason for everyone death and yours was the lack of safety features and bad parenting.
Im still working on these things, designs, how they should act, etc.
I took these as tips! Thanks and amazing video!❤
F a c t s ( about the vengeful cc part.. ) The reason why, CC is vengeful is because in the au, some of the dead children were his friends and he was very upset after what William did.
With Cassidy this is how I see it: say your a younge child, if someone killed you, and you never got to see your parents or family again, would you forgive the person that killed you after taking basically everything you had in your life? No…or at least I hope not.
you know, I have been making an fnaf au myself, and this video really helped me, it's called the afton circus. where William afton forces everyone into this big circus, it's filled with dark comedy and a bunch of flawed dysfunctional characters with a very small few sane characters, I'm trying to find a way to make them more complex and stuff and this vid helped me out on some ideas! So thank you for that!
I have never had a good look at your oc it looks good I like it.
I agree with your points though with some examples I take a different solution to the problem.
For instance I take Henry's quote on how Michael wants to be in the fire literally.
My take on cc is he is very sad and scared and doesn't forgive Mike not by a long shot but feels that Elizabeth has adequately avenged him for self gain or not.
Sorry for the long comment. Not a gt but like creating my own take on the franchise. Love your videos. Have a good one.
I agree with Michael but atleast he tries to fix his mistake by trying to help set C.C free and make him rest.
In my au C.c controls golden freddy but he cant see or hear soo when cassidy told him about her murder he decided to help her not knowing he was killing his father i think is a cool concept
in my au my william is a bad person but with his own reasons my william has tatarafobia(the fear of death) soo he started killing animals to test despair and the souls to gain imortality but after his son died he started doing more extreme behaviors.Also hes distant of his family cause of his lack of emotions but he tries to be a good father even if he hates michal behavior and elizabeth imature behavior having C.c as the closest to him making his brothers envios
also sorry for my poor english im brazilian and i lack writing skills
I mean you make a fair point. I don’t understand how people feel sympathy or even simp for William when he literally kills children
How he got help: COUGHENNARDCOUGH- sorry, I have a cold, as you can tell
I’ve always felt a deep animosity fits better for CC than vengeance. Obviously he doesn’t like Michael even if he doesn’t speak on it, kinda obvious from the foxy plus he’s head being torn off. But he’s also a very scared kid like you said someone shouldn’t 180 real quick.
totally true. Days going, and always when i go find some afton familly videos to watch, i always see somebody making Michael a innocent thing, i even saw a video of michael saying "papa" to William like a baby! William even picked Michael up like a baby! Like bro! This is disgusting, Michael is an responsable adult. He did fear all the animatronics and tried to save Elizabeth, and feared his brother's death too. It is giving in the nerves of people making Michael a baby! Thats why i dont make so many videos with Michael, and i dont recommend yall trying to make people think who is your fav, because everybody is gonna vote Michael. And i see that alot of people making Michael always being William's main choice of favoritism. Just why? Give me proofs.
(My opinion)
I agree with pretty much everything you mentioned, especially that Wiliam part.
He's a sociopath who doesn't know sympathy, though in my au I think he would secretly care about his children,
in a kind of ''No one torments my kids except me!'' way. If that makes sense.
I personally adore Mike, but seeing people make him a saint just annoys me. Or, making him have a dumb excuse as to why he bullied CC.
You haven't said this, but I absolutely HATE when people focus on ONE character, and make their entire account just content of them.
This usually occurs with Mike. I see one specific person make videos like: ''If Mike was blind'' ''If Mike committed suicide'' ''If Mike was bitten instead of CC''
Everything on their channel has to do with only one character, specifically Micheal. It annoys me.
I like vengeful CC, but not when they overuse it, like every line CC has relating to him hating Mike and his friends or William.
This is way too long...
I HATE when people use neon designs without making it look good
I agree with all the things especially with the vengeful c.c one in my second au he may be vengeful but not to the point hes gonna haunt him his entire life he would do little pranks and then to make it revenge like burning his wig and throwing water at him as tho theres times where he can be extremely angry as if he does one prank where hes gonna put his head in fredbear but doesnt let him be bitten just to scare him a lil thats my type of vengeful c.c ig
OMG FINALLY SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS THANK YOU I hate it when they favorite Michael I know it was for attention but evan was to young and Michael is WAY OLDER than Evan and for me I don't think Evan would forgive Michael so easily and if he did it would probably be nearly BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH !!!!
I hate when they mike a good guy there is so much evidence that Michael is selfish man ( survival logbook) but it seems nobody pay attention to this detail same goes for fnaf 6 where in one rare screens there is poster, where mike is represented as Williams puppet
Making Michael a Saint is just something that could of happened when he had all that time before he died to reflect on action and also trying to fix his father's actions in the actually game. There's a lot of things that could of happening during that period if time and people can us it to make their own Michael unique. Ur right to not having to make Michael sweet and kind cause it's not shown in the game. He still kill his brother and tormented for unknown reasons and would laugh when C.C was crying. But like I said before, the time spent alone could changed him for the best or just kept him the same.
Making C.C a vengeful spirit is a good idea and could make ur AU more unique and can make the relationship with his family different as well. But in game it's shown that C.C even after death is scared and crying. C.C never really changed and spent most of his time in pitch black and in Golden Freddy/Fredbear. He also got his head crushed and would have memory issues and also the ability to speak. I don't really expect him to remember his death or much of his past. Wouldn't change the fact that he could still be mad about his death tho.
Don't victimize William unless he actually didn't mean to kill and ruin both the missing children and his own kids. William would have his own reasons why he want to be immortal, but we all know they aren't good if he had to kill, manipulate, abuse, etc. to get to his goal. Trauma isn't an excuse and never will be. If u have trauma that isn't resolved then get help and don't get other people involved with ur problems that would end up hurting them. If William in ur AU went through all that trouble to make him and his family immortal because he wanted them to be with him then it's still not an excuse to his actions and having to kill other people for that. It's selfish for him then. Make ur AU make sense and remember that no one is a Saint in this story. Even if u want to deny it. The Afton family has and never will be a happy family. Make them happy in ur AU just tell us how and we'll believe it.
Cassidy has their own rights for being mad at William. He took their childhood, future, and life away from them and if Cassidy wants to chase and torture William to the end of the world then they can. Cassidy is not a brat and is just trying to be satisfied by seeing William in pain for what he has done them and to all the other people he has wronged. Cassidy is just making sure that William gets what he deserves and if William comes back, so does Cassidy.
Either way, ur AU and u get to choose what u want to do with it. Just make sure that most of it lines with the actual game lore and that u would be able to explain the reasoning of why ur characters act the way they do. And aftermath of the fire. Play around with ur AU and don't copy from others.
I agree with the "Vengeful C.C", like, he was a CHILD, after a child being traumatized, it just think about rest peacefully. C.C was 7-9 years old, he'll never think about revenge.
thank you,it kinda helped me think about somethings i was wondering,about the design,i really like to be inspired in people design like yours,but i always try to make my own design,but its kinda hard since its like,millions of people making designs,sometimes it kinda may look really similar to the others even if i dont know the other person who made it before me,anyways,i liked your opinion a lot,it helped me think better about cassidy and michael
the reason of william aftons murder spree is his jealousy and rage for henry. it isnt trauma. its jealousy, some trauma cant so it, william got inspired by a SHOW that his parents brought him to to create freddy fazbears. it cant be “trauma” or what ever they say. its just truly rage, jealousy, and agony. EDIT : im following this from the fnaf timeline, so I sont believe that he was mind controlled or forced, BUT TRUAMA? SRSLY?!