One of my most positive experiences that happened with the game was probably around a year ago when I played a trickster match. I was hot garbage and ran all the controversial perks at the time as trickster, and I went against a streamer at the time and I played like a dick and we shit talked each other back and forth in game but when I came to the stream afterwards we had a good talk and I genuinely enjoyed their stream and now a year later I'm almost in their streams daily either chatting or as his teammate and we are great friends and I'm glad DBD let us meet. That's one reason why I keep playing!
Since this just happened, I was a part of Horizon Onward's Summer Slaughter event (which I understand you were also a part of Aaron) and after one of my games, TheJustRyan said that his match against me was one of the best games he's ever played in.
This killer completely wrecked us, someone even dc'd. They messages me on ps after saying gg and I returned the sentiment only for them to be surprised that I wasn't salty/mad. He thought I was the one who dc'd but still lol I try to gg any ps killers I face
Honestly deciding to just not go to the exit gate when i've lost as killer and just never opening the end game chat has done wonders at reducing the toxicity I experience.
I play on console so I don't see endgame chat and my settings don't allow me to receive hate messages. I typically don't go to the gates either as killer or t-bag at them as survivor.
I also avoid the exit gates. Altho once I was waiting for the people to leave like they waited right to the end and I was complaining like omg please just leave like why are you doing this and I asked in endgame chat and they said they were waiting for me to give me gifts because they had a really fun game. Not always bad, but not worth the risk lol
I do the same when I play killer (which is rare), they generally don’t wait until the very last second nowadays (although I’ve had my fair share of those in the past), but some still spam a pallet vault to try and get my attention after the gates are opened (which never works lol, I still stay put). That’s not even cos of the t bags, which can be a little irritating but generally don’t really bother me, it’s more cos I won’t give them that final satisfaction of chasing them out. It’s not even a salty thing, I just won’t dance to their tune 😆🤷🏻♂️ I don’t really hide the egc, I don’t always engage though and sometimes I just don’t even stick around to read it
That's cuz many survivors usually stand there and wait to teabag lol I love when they miscalculate the timing and the entity gets them cuz they're there waiting to teabag the killer 🤣
I always try and lean away from the Us vs. Them mentality, all because of one match I had on RPD as Nurse. It was a group of Offline TTVs doing anti-hook/Sabo builds, and I was the bad guy for slugging, despite them creating no other option for me. Because of that I kind of vowed myself to always think about the Killer when playing survivor, you can't blame the killer for countering you when you use something that is counterable. When I saw the TTVs messages in endgame chat, thought, "So I'm supposed to let them bully me with sabos despote being able to do so.ething about it?"
Louder for the people in the back. My personal favorite is when killers get accused of tunneling when the person who just came off the hook runs straight to them lol
A lot of today's toxicity is a long-lasting effect of Ochido's spread and normalization of survivor toxicity. He was the one to popularize making clips where killers get bullied, where the sole purpose of playing the game as a survivor was to make the killer angry and rage quit. I remember having to deal with Ochido wannabies daily, they'd abuse the ranking system to join lower rank lobbies to bully killers, they'd switch to flashlights last second, they'd abuse map offerings to their advantage. And if it was obvious you were pretty decent as a killer and they got downed before they made a funny clip, they'd disconnect to find a worse killer so they can bully them instead. Things are *significantly* better now, true toxicity is really rare. Nowadays you just deal with tryhards that use meta builds and play to win.
When I first started playing killer, my biggest fear was running into a group like that and being bullied into oblivion. I don't think it ever really happened.
@@chaosflash912the thing you find is most of the teams who try this aren’t actually that good at it or waste too much time not doing gens that the killer wins anyways
@@chaosflash912 I met one of those teams on my third-ever killer game. I tried Huntress for the first time on the old Haddonfield, and they bullied the shit out of me... I didn't touch killer again for like 2 years.
Forgot to mention that some of the BIGGEST horror characters in movie history are in this game. That could explain why it took off. Were it not for them getting the Halloween license, it would not be where it is today.
in my opinion the biggest problem is the matchmaking. As "beginner" killer I always get high prestige survivors and can't catch any of them but as a 800h survivor I ALWAYS get noob teammates who don't do gens and go down instantly. It's so hard to survive a match if you are a low skill survivor under 2k hours. It should be more balanced.
@@imdvaRank doesn't exist it's a grade, also P100 doesn't mean they are good just means they spent a lot of points on one character. None of that has anything to do with matchmaking.
@@imdva not wth the amount of bp that gets thrown around. Play as killer you can get 200k a match at times. Yes they've committed a lot of time. No that doesn't mean they are good. Another person could have every character at P20 you'd think they aren't as good? It's an illusion that P100 are the best players
I have like 600 hours into DbD and I very rarely encounter any toxicity I think being on PlayStation and not having an end game chat helps this massively (I’m guessing)
i mean i played LOL for a bit and it is very toxic but it’s toxic in a different way. like you can avoid people being toxic in chat in both games but in dbd you can have both your side & the other side be toxic towards you unless you play only killer. in LOL it’s normally not the other side being toxic in game (not including the chat more like the actions of the opposite team)
@@Gloriousturtlechan well your experience is quite different from most then lol, as a survivor main i get salty killers all the time & a lot of stufff in dbd gets censored anyways so you might not have realized what they’re even saying. also if you don’t play on pc then that makes sense why. if you do then you might just be getting lucky with people who aren’t as angry
I think the biggest problem with dbd is players (both survivors and killers) finding using the mechanics of the game to be toxic. Tunneling, Face camping, Basement hooks, Crouch Walking, Flashlights, Using perks-- these are all just tools players are given to play with and for some reason these people lose their minds when someone DARES to use them.
Facecamping is game design, I believe the devs even used it at one point, its simply terrible game design, and thus it brings frustration, like if a gun in COD that increases your respawn time when it kills you exists
I'm a firm believer that most of the toxicity would go away in this game if behavior just actually balanced certain playstyles and punished other things that people can do for BM
I’m actually surprised with how people call dbd the most toxic community cause I’ve only encountered someone salty or toxic about 3 times spread over years
Win or lose, I could tell surv/ killer GG and a compliment (Good mind game, wow you got me off guard there,etc) and its the most anti-social thing ever. Even when they win.
@@watchmehope6560 interesting. My end game chats have almost always been nice (unless it's console players, then there just isnt any chat) Very rarely someone will be a jerk, but usually the rest of the people in the lobby wont engage with the negative comments
Besides the rather negative mindsets the DBD community has, I think a majority of the toxicity stems from player frustration. From personal experience and from watching others, I think this frustration comes from how people play (like being with timid survivors who hide all game, or having a killer camp, slug or tunnel (or any combo of the 3)) as well as BHVR themselves and how they handle certain things within the game.
I feel the same way. I think DbD as a game itself allows for too many "mechanics" that will obviously ruin fun and lead to frustration, to go unpunished. For example, if you're being face camped, (especially by an insta down Killer), there's nothing you yourself can do about it. You're at the mercy of other players, who might just decide it's better to do gens. It actively stops you from playing the game you're trying to play. This is obviously gonna lead to a lot of frustration. And it's just one example of SO MANY, on both sides. I play some of the most toxic games in the market, League of Legends, Call of Duty, Rainbow Six Siege... Not one of them ever had me as frustrated as just about 2/3 of my DbD games. Because their players are toxic, yes, but none of them allow for so many frustrating and hurting actions gameplay wise. You can ignore someone texting you to "kys", and you can ignore your teammate running it down, even if it loses you the game, cause it doesn't affect yourself and your own decision making. But DbD puts so much control over your own actions in others hands. To the point where other people can decide to stop you from further playing the game while holding you captive. It takes away your autonomy. It is bound to make people mad. It makes me mad. I love the basic concept of DbD and the characters, but I cannot stand playing more than a handful of games maybe once a week. It mentally drains me too much.
@@KIxYOSHI2077 Not to mention it just gets soooo boring and can make you wonder just why tf you’re bothering to play when you get camped and tunnelled early on in each game
@@Charlie-vp5tnYou 2 see? This is the reason. Even here you complain about camping, which is in the game since the begining. And there is plenty perks and mechanics to help nowdays. Let me ask a question. What do you think how fun do you think for the killer, when at his first hook with a relative fast chase 2 gens pops, and when he move away from the hook the 3rd is finished as well? I am sure, some of the killers camp because they try to get reactions and then bully the survivors for it, like a real troll. But be sure, that is the minority. Most of the killers just simply try to win, and it is way easier if somebody is out of the game early. Or at that point what i described they just want to secure at least one kill. And maybe you are not genrush 3 gens in a blink. But you know, killers don't have the luxury to wait until it is for sure that he will be rushed, because they will looses without a miracle.
@@Kaoraku don't tell me about what the killer feels, I play both sides and I know the pain. Camping at the start for no reason ruins other players gameplay and mood. I understand camping for securing kills, but doing it just because you are being a jerk isn't good for anyone. I don't want to hanging on the hook the whole match, just because some player decided to ruin my experience or they do that just because, some players don't even need a reason.
As someone who has mained Blight, I have seen a fair share of toxicity, on top of in-game stuff on top of chat. This game can be the most rage inducing, but also victory feeling game I've played. Good game
I just remember my first time playing recently on the xbox and playing killer and not really knowing what Im doing to the point that I didn't even see anyone else in the game until like 1 gen was left(also didn't know that killers had a lunging attack option either lol) but managed to get a 2k by the end partly because the other two took off while I hooked the other person. Spent most of the match just smacking and running after whoever popped into my vision first. As soon as the end game lobby popped up I get someone messaging me in my xbox messages to complain about tunneling. Obviously doesn't represent the whole community but I can't say it doesn't color my perception a good bit.
I played as survivor main many years, but right now it's unbearable to even try... Switched to play as The Trapper and presto 🙌 Now i have been really happy to have beginner survivors against and I don't need to be sweaty 👍 New survivors are just so adorable and i create heart warming memories and matches with them when they feel hopeless ♥️ I let them know that their teamwork is essential, everybody makes mistakes and not all Trappers are cold hearted 🤭 I'll just start to be goofy and nod, step on my own traps, etc to gain their trust and being friendly and let them escape. I wish that my actions would bring even some new players joy and strength to carry on ♥️💪
I streamed DBD yesterday, and one of the people in my chat said he liked my stream because of how wholesome and genuine I was being in the game, and not being super toxic or full of ego. He said it's super rare to find streams like that these days I'm like dude I'm not trying to be toxic or anything im just playing to have fun. I've always felt killers and survivors should both play fair and treat each other with respect, it's just common sense.
I started playing around July 2020. I had friends playing but I was hesitant because I heard stories of people being mean. I finally got it and one of the first games I played a survivor yelled at me for not taking a hit. And I later played tombstone Michael (didn't realize how tombstone worked) and a survivor told me I'm the worst. I was like geez. But I kept playing because I had fun when I didn't have those interactions. The game can be frustrating and I've experienced the frustration. And you never know what someone is experiencing IRL that they then take into the game. Even yesterday I had a survivor tell me I purposely denied him hatch which was not the case and he came into my chat on the defense but we talked it out and we are good. He was lovely and apologized to me for being upset. That wouldn't have had a happy ending if I didn't treat the situation with kindness and actually listen to him and likewise with him listening to me. Players need to take accountability for their words and actions in end game chat and outside the game. And players need to know their own limits. Took me sometime to listen to myself. If I'm getting upset at bad match after another I turn the game off for a bit. Everything will be ok if you need to stop playing for your own sanity but people need to take accountability when they become toxic. 3100 hours later...I've memed and played in tournaments. I still thoroughly enjoy the game even with all its faults. I like the game which is why I play. People can play how they want in game but be accountable for what you take out of it too. In the end it is just a game❤ I will say I've met some wonderful people through DBD who I consider dear friends.
"We have noticed that the perk 'Made For This' has been one of the best performing survivor perks since its release. So we decided to remove the Pig's bear traps entirely."
It's definitely the most toxic community I've ever seen in nearly three decades of gaming, DBD is literally the sole reason for my steam profile being private. I've played games where people will message me after a match or other petty stuff like that, but DBD is the only game I've played where people will actively try damaging my work outside of the game; I've had people leave hate comments on workshop mods that are completely unrelated to DBD over a dozen times, some of which had their entire friends list join in on intentionally bombing my mods.
I have met 3 of my closest gaming buddies from playing dbd and it's just cause they invited me a solo queue survivor who normally plays killer but bounces between the two into their party and were some of the nicest most genuine people I met Gabe and Key and Shawn if you see this love you boys 💙
I just had someone message me telling me to ask for a refund for wesker because I quote unquote “Got Destroyed” while I was trying to complete challenges. Like who does that? I got two at the end, the one who messaged me one other were down. I hooked the one that messaged me and the other got out. So I secured my one survivor kill. I asked him why he felt the need to try and make people quit playing had it been someone who was just having a bad game or just trying the game out. Never did get a response. Edit. The team was obnoxiously t-bagging and clicking flashlights as well.
This game made me disable the option to receive messages from randoms. There is no discussion with me about the presence of toxicity. Only question is if the MMO’s/LOL are worse.
I played clay Pidgeon with random survivors and I dragged them out with my spear to get them out. They played along and ran waiting for me to release them. I had no way to win this match but this last interaction brought me joy despite me failing a challenge.
About 2 years ago I decided to track how much toxic behavior I was seeing for 200 games. I saw some form of toxic play in just over 50% of matches. Mainly taunting (teabaging and flashlight spam). I recently did the same thing and the occurrence seems to have halved. It was just over 25% of matches now. It's not super scientific and I'm on console so there's less end game chat but it feels like there is less toxic stuff going on these days.
I literally had a couple games yesterday having to deal with salty survivors. So I'm a P100 Blight but I'm not as good with him as I used to be due to me trying other killers, and not playing the game as much with IRL stuff going on. Played a few games and was called out for being a "fake" or I don't deserve the P100 since I'm not good with a killer that I have P100. My goal was never to be a god tier Blight, I just like the character. People seem to forget that prestige level and skill level are not the same thing. I think MMR being added to the game was the dumbest thing BHVR could've done. I feel like ever since that was introduced the entitlement, saltiness, and overall mindset of the player base has changed. I wish we could go back to the "old" DBD where you didn't have squads who gen rushed and killers who tunnelled survivors immediately off hook. I think DBD does have an entitled community and I think MMR has made the community more entitled. I would love to see how the community would have turned out if MMR was never put in.
The games reputation is what stole 6 years of this game for me (I was interested when it was first announced, but warned away so I just followed the killer lore). The nightly messages and trash behavior my sister and I see nightly just reenforces it. And 9 times out of 10, it's survivors (I play both, I know how hard or easy each role is - if I am spending more of my time fighting OTHER SURVIVORS ON MY TEAM, there is a problem.
I had someone compliment my Huntress gameplay which was nice. I smiled at that. They said that they aspire to be like me. Huntress is the only killer I'd say I'm decent with.
People on DBD Twitter from what I’ve seen are the most delusional people I’d ever seen. Everyone thinks they know how to balance the game even though their balance suggestions would greatly benefit one side while screwing over the other. I also see people constantly posting things like “why are killers such assholes?” And “Why are survivors so toxic?” Even though both sides are just playing the game like they’re supposed to? There’s just such a massive double standard in the DbD Twitter community and as a result, people are constantly at each others throats.
Honestly I've only had a few negative experiences with communication (I'm on console) but often times it ends pretty chill. I try and say gg after a match if the killer shares my platform or thank them if it was especially fun or horrifying lol. If you mainly play killer, I appreciate you for giving my friends and I something to do. If you have a rough match, chances are I'll let you hook me after endgame because you deserve bloodpoints, too. I'm bad at the role but play from time to time and usually the survs are pretty good and/or friendly. If you mainly play surv, I appreciate you helping to try and get the other survs out or having a good time just vibing in a corner/locker lol. I actually joined twitch because a billy with a silent chainsaw downed me from across autohaven and it was glorious. Very chill people in both roles if the games are played without the goals of 4 sacrifices or escapes are in mind per match
What a heartfelt video! I loved this so much, what an amazing change to point out some of the wonderful things about the DBD community! I am also really glad we are recognizing the much needed pig nerf 😂😭 That had me dead 💀
The only reason for this level of toxicity in this game is poor game design and balancing causing frustration to either side and devs taking years to address core issues, while introducing more "fun" only for one side changes. Toxicity is the result of a much bigger problem with the game itself.
I feel the part where you say they avoid the other side as if they had the plague. I gave my opinion on circle of healing and healing in general on a stream and then the streamer got mad at me and called me an homophobic bigot of a man for defending my point and then banned and blocked me saying I would not have done that were they a man. I was so confused but then I kept reading the chat from a non connected account and they all talked shit about me playing killer and not knowing how the game works and all that while the streamer laughed at me also for that.... I am a survivor main. Edit: Before anyone gets any ideas about them calling me an homophobic bigot, I didn't even know they were lesbian because in my eyes it didn't matter since I was having fun up until that happened. I was even in their lobby and they said they were disgusted they played with such a filthy person..
Hello, Aaron! I've been watching your videos for a few months at least, now, and you've quickly become one of my go-to DBD channels. I love how fair your videos are to everyone, and the care you take with more sensitive topics. I dunno if you'll even see this, but I wanted to humbly request something for you to cover? I've been trying to talk about it, but I don't have a following and I'm getting absolutely nowhere in trying to bring attention to it (and, ironically, the last time I tried to bring it up on Twitter, someone turned it into a "they don't care because they coddle the Killers" thing, which COMPLETELY missed the point). I've been trying to bring awareness to the fact that the new heartbeat feature for the Terror Radius doesn't work well enough for some people, and how the red meter they had added to Spine Chill was a far better option for them. I know the Spine Chill update was only supposed to be temporary, but it tremendously helped me as someone with audio processing issues. The heartbeat doesn't work as well for me, and I'm back to the same problems I had before with not truly being able to gauge the distance of the Killer. It's more confusing, and a distraction, than it is helpful. It also doesn't really help much if you're in a locker to know how safe it is to come out of hiding. I know that I can't be the only one that feels that they shouldn't have taken an accessibility feature away (even if it *was* supposed to be temporary), nor can I be the only one that found Spine Chill to be exponentially more helpful. Really, I'm just trying to start a dialogue about proper accessibility options, and how there *should* be options because one size doesn't fit all needs. However, like I said, I don't have a platform and only my friends watched the video I made about it 😅 If this is something you would be interested in covering, please do! If not, I totally understand. I just figured it didn't hurt to ask! Thanks for reading this if you do see it 😊
I also have over 2K hours in the game, so I know a little bit. Probably 3/4 of that time I spent playing as killer, but that still gives me 500 hours as survivor and I can affirm that 80% of survivor mains are disgusting. Test it out yourself, play a killer you're not very good with and with a build you're not used to, the survivors are gonna try their best to make you feel like trash. This "choose your side and hate the other" thing exists, and I'm conviced that it's not the killers fault. Play fair, have fun and don't be a douche.
I've just officially decided to only play on switch. Playing on anything else with that endgame chat is horrendous. I cannot continue to be told to off myself by some random man child because they died or whatever. While playing on switch, I usually just experience someone trolling and that doesn't matter to me anymore. Experience has improved greatly.
New player here... I started playing during the anniversary event, and this has to be the most positive community I've ever tsken part in. Sure, have I'll get t-bagged or hit-on-hook once in a blue moon, and I did kill a bully squad of 4 who invited me to a party chat and threw just about every slur at me imaginable, but besides that, it's been really positive. I always get messages from other players on how to improve, as well as GG messages whether or not I win/ lose. It's been great in my experience.
I am a survivor main, I rarely play killer so I don’t know too much on their end. But lately I have actually encountered many toxic individuals during matches who intentionally through the game by messing up gens and heals, work with the killer, or even use other survivors as bait. The end game chat isn’y the best either, with constant cursing and many survivors and killers showing so much entitlement. Overall, with the amount of hate and hostility I have encountered in dbd I think the toxicity is found within a person and not the community.
LITERALLY. The killers ironically are usually not toxic, only Bubba mains who do that shit on purpose. Nurse is just powerful so it's not toxic, she just stomps lol. Had a survivor literally point flashlight at me as a surv to rat me out to the killer, and deliberately spam heal so I couldn't run and throw a pallet and vault a bunch of times to bring the killer over to my gen. I just went to the hook, stood at it, pointed at it, and the killer hooked me so I suicided on hook. I reported them after.
This whole " us vs them " mentality goes to the ones that only play one side in my opinion. Because if we think about it most survivors never played killer and it shows they always have to say dumb things like " we're allowed to have fun but not the killer " or " killers are toxic " or " survivors ruin everything " this is where the whole us vs them happens. And probably a few killers never played survivor at all which is why it's important to play both sides. I don't understand why most survivors have to to cry about everything when it's literally just a game and Behavior isn't helping in anything since they seem to side with survivors more. The toxicity in this community is so ridiculous to me. When we heard Ada's voice for the first time in Resident Evil 4 remake the voice actor received a lot of backlash to the point where she had to delete all of her social medias because of harassment. In Mortal Kombat 1 a character named Tanya was changed significantly and it received a lot of backlash to the point where idiots were harassing NRS and the face model herself. But oh man DBD community is just something else. At the end of the day both sides are just playing to win period. It was a party game both sides would be memeing around which barely happens.
The downside of me playing dbd is i do see it as a competitive game, but im not a competitive person and im just here to have fun and play with my favourite liscensed and original characters xD
Its a shame this game has a bad rep. I cant say that theres another game that let me jump into a Snowman as Freddy Krueger and start high fiving Nancy Wheeler from Stranger Things, who is also inside a Snowman. Christmas was wild.
I watched DBD for over 2yrs before I played it, since it's such an interesting game to watch. And whenever someone says "THIS is the most toxic community" I laugh. I'm part of SO many forums/pages from a multitude of games & every community says they're the best or most toxic lol.
Most of my killer matches end up being very pleasant, i have had matches where i tryhard against a SWF and they are still so nice in the endgame chat it makes my day, and with survivor matches, i get more pissed with my teammates than the killer
I’ve been playing DBD for 2+ years now on Xbox. Thankfully I don’t get exposed to a lot of toxicity because it takes more effort to send a message on console. Occasionally I’ve received messages when I play killer that I was camping or I’m trash. I rarely reply and just delete, I honestly try my best to play fair, I’m just not all that great playing killer. I usually only play killer to complete challenges. If I do get a negative comment when trying to complete challenges, I’ll usually reply with an apology and explain the situation. I figure it’s better to have a honest conversation than to engage in a battle. I have found watching Aaron’s videos have helped me be more aware of unfair practices playing killer and I try to avoid unfair play. Overall I really enjoy the game.
It is crazy how easy it is for me to hop on killer, play skull merchant, and immediately have 4 people begging me to end my own life. But tbh put anything as horrendous as skull merchant in any game and you'll get the same thing happening.
Thanks to these videos, they help me to stay positive when playing DBD, no matter what happens from the camping Bubba in the basement to the gen rushing. Like you say it's just a video game, have fun and just breathe. Which I like to always say is that the sun will shine tomorrow no matter what happens, unless it's cloudy🌤 Keep up the awesome work Aaron!!
There should be separate casual and competitive game modes. Doesn't make sense that there aren't, it's human nature to be competitive but for those willing to be chill they should have a space
As a part of DbD community I can confirm that I complaon a lot. I just don't share my opinion and mostly complain about how dumb my plays are and that I need to get better. Or to touch some grass.
As a killer main, i can truly say that Skull Merchant is so broken with her 3-gen abilty. I have been running a build recently that has basically got me so many 4k's they've mostly been 3k's but thats because i usually give the last survivor the hatch. One match, i loaded in, and before i even did anything, one survivor dc'ed as soon as they heard my terror radius. Then soon after 2 nicoles cage's dc'ed. This was after the recent update were bots would replace survivors who dc. I kill ed the bots and let the last true survivor go. She needs to be reworked, no nerfs, no buffs, a complete rework before she can stop being so annoying to play with/against.
A comp team went up against a skull merchant and it took them 1 hour to escape, yes its hard to win against her but its never impossible. You can win against skull merchant if you play against her in a smart way. She doesn't need a rework, survivors are just lazy to understand how to counter skull merchant. And yes I play her myself, and yes I've had lost to a good team who knew how to counter me, yes games last for ever but again, it's never impossible.
I havent played DBD in a while but this video clearly sums up that, yeah, almost any community can be considered toxic. Heck, my games in Valorant and LoL can be horrendous both in game (Voice chat, text chat, etc), and then AFTER the match.
A lot of toxicity today results from early 2016-era toxic compilation content creators. This eventually spread to being normalized on the game. The worst part is that when a new game like dbd comes out, the community brings the same toxicity to that game and kills it for newcomers. The devs are aware how toxic the community is, but they seem clueless on how to stop it.
I almost suggested this game to my brother when he asked about it. I’m not scared of someone else being salty with him, I’m scared for the other person that decides to talk crap to him 😂
crazy thing is in game interactions with the fanbase are mostly positive tbh, its all the hatefulness in their social media that makes it unbearable. Not saying i havent faced or been teamed with toxic players but its not nearly as often as social media would make you think.
I wish to have a gamemode where it doesn’t involve MMR. It would solve the issue of taking the game too seriously to some extent (Or even other fun, casual gamemodes as others said)
Wouldn't work with the current systems in place in DbD. There are too many issues in regards to mechanic balance, map balance, design balance, etc. They try to have the community playtest for them and then will ignore a majority of that feedback and push patches live anyway. BHVR only mildly cares about those things. Hell, they typical only balance a thing because it gets used a lot, not because it is strong or weak but rather it depends on how popular that thing is. Items, addons, powers, etc. Killers get nerfed or buffed based on kill rates alone, nothing else, just the kill rates. That's why Trapper is stuck where he is in terms of viability after years while Blight and his addons are still a problem years later. There is a reason they won't do a health update even though the community has been asking for one for years now. No, they only care about selling product, BHVR gets hate because it's deserved. They gaslight and straight fucking lie to us as a community way too often. They talk about how much they care about their players but then ignore major issues in the game the players from both sides want addressed. They do just enough to keep the money flowing. They don't care about their game or the community of players, they only care about those sales. A mode without MMR, a casual or fun gamemode would need to be so vastly different fromwhat current DbD is that there is a high chance people wouldn't enjoy that either. There would be no incentive to play in the MMR mode and not just roll people in casual. It would be exactly like the old Rank system that people currently love to wax nostalgic about even though it was objectively worse then SBMM is now. BP isn't and shouldn't be used for the incentive for reaching top grade every month when there is any form of MMR system in place for the ranked mode. Which circles back to, BHVR only cares about the sales. This is why shards are almost never given out when they screw something up majorly. It's why we get around ONE MATCH worth of BP when they screw up something that makes the game unplayable. They care about the players money, not the players, not the game.
I'm going to be honest. In all of my nearly 600 hours of playing DBD, I've never had one toxic end game chat. Annoying games? Yes. Ppl being rude? Yes. But toxic? Never. I just thought I'd share some positivity to let you guys know that there ARE good ppl who play the game
I have noticed a down-tick in the amount of salt in end game chat for the past few months. Maybe they are just going to Twitter 😂. Nice Gary "The Hot Cross" shout out,, BTW!
I really think the "party game" vs "competitive game" is whats actually wrong with our community. And honestly I know this sounds unfair, but at the core, it's usually a competitive gamer behaving like an A--hat that ruins it for everyone else. And thats not a survivor vs killer thing at all. It's just that one person behind the controller behaving however he wants because he can.
My biggest tip. Dont talk in chat, dont do twitch unless you really like the person streaming, and dont watch youtube either. The biggest part of the problem is people who feed off this issue in order to make content, thus giving certain players and streamers more airtime. Ive stopped doing in game chat and have cut down on the on the other two an awful lot, and honestly its a much better experience.
The last game I played as oni before my computer broke I got a ttv squad that last switched to all flashlights and I knew they wanted to bully me bc no one did gens and they all hovered around me when in chase and I hooked them all fully I didn’t camp or tunnel but they all complained in end game about how I didn’t let them get flashlight saves and how I stayed to close to hook like it’s my fault they unhooked right in front of me
Actually, following your advice was one the best decisions I made for playing the game: Ggwp after every match. Thank you for everything that you do 💙💜
I don't really understand the reputation when the toxicity is so easy to avoid. this game has no in game voice chat that detriments you if you shut off. you don't have to look at endgame chat and if you're in a Discord and people are giving bad vibes, you can leave. I used to play Overwatch and I still have a vivid memory of me leaving voice chat on because I was playing healer and having a dps player yell at me, like, literally scream, for reviving the tank instead of him. plus there's no chat box in the game either! I remember playing MMOs where you'd have just harassment popping up on your screen all the time while you were just trying to play. none of that is present in dbd. it's only toxic if you yourself choose to engage in that behaviour. also unless someone is literally holding the game hostage I just choose not to view any player decisions as "toxic" either...I'm not in their head, idk why they chose to play that way or maybe they made a mistake. I can't count the amount of times I led the killer to my team on accident just trying to get away. if you choose to be salty and overcompetitive and assume that was on purpose, that's a you problem. Cutting off toxic people helps too. After I did that my time with the game was pretty good vibes. Even had lots of players bring bps and let me escape when others DC, being friendly/slowing down snowballing games to allow both sides to get points...the game was only toxic when my own mindset was toxic too. expect a bad time and thats what you're going to get every time.
@AaronDukeGame I am somebody who has never played Dead by Daylight until a couple days ago. I started watching Ohmwrecker play the game and in turn, found SpooknJukez then you. I've mainly been watching Spooks and your content for the last couple years about the salty ttvs and the toxic behaviors, yet I still find myself so excited to play the game. I know how stressful competitive games can be and at times, it can be very difficult to remember that it is just a game and the point is to destress and enjoy yourself. (I am not saying that you cannot enjoy playing a game if your purpose is to be competitive. I feel that the majority of people naturally feel this way because of it being a natural human instinct, to compete, survive, and win.) I currently have a few hours into the game, but mainly have been playing as a killer. It is very difficult for me to play as a survivor just starting out. There is too much going on and to focus on that I was upsetting my team in the few survivor matches I played, I just deemed it unplayable until I can find some friends to play with me and help me learn the game. So far, I have run into a few people that are foul, but I do not take it to heart at all. I truly have been enjoying the game, the sound design is incredible, the atmosphere is very well done, and I find myself getting spooked (yes, even playing as the killer. I swear, those crows scare me the most out of everything.) I don't stream and I don't use social media (only discord, but I tend to hide offline) so I know that my words don't really amount/count for anything. Be that as it may, I just hope that I can reach one person with a new player experience into this game and community and help spread positive vibes. -Thanks for reading my TedTalk (if any of you did) EDIT: My display name is Partheniki and I hope to see you in the fog
As someone who played Call of Duty back in the day (2010/2012); sometimes DBD community DO feel more toxic which is a wild feat considering how COD's community is.
I say you should do more videos dedicated to the more chill/ positive side of dbd. Show that there's a lot of fun streamers that are more times than not overshadowed by the louder more toxic variants.
Before DbD i played CS, League, Smite, Fortnite and a few other pvp games. I genuinely believe that compared with these, the DbD community is like kindergarden compared with high school in terms of toxicity. Most DbD players just don't realize it because we are too stuck in an abusive relationship with this one game to even try other games anymore.
I play both but..I much prefer to play killer. It lets me set the tone of the match. If I wanna chill and have fun by being friendly, I can't guarantee a killer will do that unless I'm the killer. I love being a friendly Myers/Legion/Pig/Ghosty. Sometimes I'll slap meme bp add-ons on legion and lead them to gens, occasionally frenzy slashing them or hitting them so I get bp for doing so and they get it for gens and healing.
coming from someone who hails from the overwatch community, dead by daylight is one of the least toxic communities ive ever been a part of, when ive been exposed to the sheer vitriol and hate that is the overwatch fanbase (which i still partake in to this day) swapping over to dead by daylight feels like a breath of fresh air, and people seeing it otherwise is quite disheartening, cause as toxic as youtube twitter and twitch content makes it seem, it really is a nice community filled with amazing people
I once faced a toxic hacker who was speedhacking. I was tbagged, told ggez, (as usual) by the hacker and 2 others. Whose the 4th? Well its someone who actually tried to help me kill the hacker and just was very humble and assisting. Now that's one story. I have another :] So I was playing with 4 survivors on badham, one was p100 and the 3 others were in a swf. Now I have an amazing early game (6 hooks at 4 gens) so the swf dc's. Me and the p100 begin to chat and we have been friends for 3 weeks now and he has helped me become a better survivor main :)
There are some interesting perspectives offered in the comments, the one that truly caught my eye was about "it is in the game, it is allowed" logic. And that is where problem lies imho. It is not about using these mechanics/items/perks. It is about HOW you use them. Few examples: Crouching, making noise (and many more) is not meant for people wanking their egos at exit gates and rubbing it in until last few seconds of endgame collapse (yet many see it every day, often every other match). Flashlights werent made to macro click and be as annoying as it is humanly possible. Perks werent designed with an intention to lock the other side in torture bully simulator. Basement wasnt made with an intention for killer to stay there with insidious or turning it into a deathtrap of no escape, intention behind mechanic of downing a survivor is not slugging entire team and letting them bleed out for fun or out of spite, or as a revenge, etc. I find it funny that this community tends to weaponize the most normal features of the game and when called out, their major "uno reverse card" argument is "but it is in the game, it is tool given by devs so I can have fun in any way I desire, so screw you, you X/Y main" even if that means the other side might suffer due to the someone elses pettiness. I have seen a few communities, good and bad, but this one definitely up there among the worst not because of the amount of toxicity alone, but because of its complete lack of any empathy for the other side, and selfish entitlement being bottomless source of it. That is only further reinforced by good old tribalist "us vs them" with "both sides" stuck in between, negatively labeled by both. Those who possess such empathy are usually either in minority, quit, or just snap under the pressure and continue the circle. Just my little L take, perhaps a food for thought.
Sure this game has so many blood boiling moments but I would like to share my favourite game I was in. I tried to play as Wraith (had less than 2 hours in playing killer at the time) and I was against a 'bully squad'. 4 flashlights, tons of flashlight saves, two hooks in the entire game but I refused to camp because I knew if they are this good in saving with fls they would know how to counter a camper so I just let them save and chased them around. No kills. I had fun anyway and the end chat was great. One of them actually apologized for bullying and I said the good old 'it's cool, it's just a game'. After that the chat was so wholesome and they added me to their friends list. It's not always so bad. Besides as a survivor main I prefer a camping killer to a rage quitting survivors...
I only play the game from time to time to have some fun with friends. I ran into some toxic survivors as the killer but yeah the majority that I have come across are friendly. The only thing that I have trouble with while trying to play the game is by the end of the match. I always get an unknown error and I have to restart my game. I can only play one match with friends and i have to restart it. Sometimes my friends join me and I can't even see them or we are splitted in random parties. I would love to play the game properly but so far we're doing it this way with friends when we team up. Restarting our game. I was very unsure if I ever wanted to play this game when I started it but so far I have no regret even though there are errors that I encounter a lot. I still love the game. The devs made an awesome game.
@@AaronDukeYT ah ok fair enough ,I love ur channel and that's my favourite series of vids I've seen I think just because of your takes on them and how you seem to be one of the only creators I see do them kinda vids ,people just need to be nicer to each other and realise it's just a game
Been playing DbD since the first week of release. In no other game (including mobas) have I been harassed by a flood of anonymous accounts weeks after a match took place. Blocking only does so much and I refuse to make my profile private to cater to them. Though to be fair, I haven’t experienced this in the last 2 or so years. I haven’t really played Killer nearly as much either. It went from 90/10% Killer/Survivor to 1/99% Killer/Survivor. I’ve done it all and I’ve seen it all. Mains of both sides are the problem but I can count on two hands the amount of overly toxic Killers I’ve faced compared to the limitless angry survivors I’ve seen. Edit: Unmade a giant block of text.
It's more about people being overly sensitive these days,words like toxic / insrert x word + phobic are thrown way too easily,,,i played league on its peak years and boy dbd community feels like a a group of kids being mad cuz mama didn't buy them ice cream
I feel like a lot of this game's problems stem from a certain killer we all know and either hate to love or love to hate that is bottlenecking everything from perks to gameplay in general. That killer.... Is the Pig. The pig needs some massive nerfs that way this game can function better and other killers can have a chance to receive buffs while perks also can receive buffs. But those perks on Pig are just too good. If she just wasn't in the game, maybe. MAYBE. this community would survive
I cant play killer because the bullying will infuriate me. I tried using ghostie once and i had a swf with flashlights and flashbangs. I ended up slugging them just to end the game.
I play the game a lot, but I’m not in the community. I don’t interact on Twitter or really anywhere. I like my group and I like learning how not to be in the game from others like this but that’s about it.
I feel like this whole idea of DBD being the MOST toxic is kinda wrong, it's toxic sure but there are much worse communities out there. Like say Rust or Call of Duty.
The amount of general sportmanship towards archive challenges, being silly, and loose adherence to a code of conduct is something i only found in dbd. The longer someone has played this game the more likely they are to be in it for silly nonsense and that is directly opposite of other communities. I stayed here and not in many oither spheres because aside from squeaky wheels here and there I have had overwhelmingly positive interactions with the people I meet, and that is just not found elsewhere. So when people compare it to other Moba games or shooters and claim its worse i absolutely dont understand how they came to that conclusion, aside from maybe not being in that community for long enough. The diversity and antics of this game sold me on it years back and im staying put as a result.
I actually ran across this ttv like a week ago. And actually we got to talking and everything. And we're friends now :D. I have the video of our 1v1 on my channel. ( with their permission of course. This game can definitely be toxic.... But tbh what game isn't??? There's always some kind of toxicity somewhere.
Feel free to share some positive experiences you've had with the game here! Let's get the good vibes going 🙌
Mr. DukeGame, please make a discord 🤲
One of my most positive experiences that happened with the game was probably around a year ago when I played a trickster match. I was hot garbage and ran all the controversial perks at the time as trickster, and I went against a streamer at the time and I played like a dick and we shit talked each other back and forth in game but when I came to the stream afterwards we had a good talk and I genuinely enjoyed their stream and now a year later I'm almost in their streams daily either chatting or as his teammate and we are great friends and I'm glad DBD let us meet. That's one reason why I keep playing!
Beltteling...All you can do...
Since this just happened, I was a part of Horizon Onward's Summer Slaughter event (which I understand you were also a part of Aaron) and after one of my games, TheJustRyan said that his match against me was one of the best games he's ever played in.
This killer completely wrecked us, someone even dc'd. They messages me on ps after saying gg and I returned the sentiment only for them to be surprised that I wasn't salty/mad. He thought I was the one who dc'd but still lol I try to gg any ps killers I face
Honestly deciding to just not go to the exit gate when i've lost as killer and just never opening the end game chat has done wonders at reducing the toxicity I experience.
I play on console so I don't see endgame chat and my settings don't allow me to receive hate messages. I typically don't go to the gates either as killer or t-bag at them as survivor.
I also avoid the exit gates. Altho once I was waiting for the people to leave like they waited right to the end and I was complaining like omg please just leave like why are you doing this and I asked in endgame chat and they said they were waiting for me to give me gifts because they had a really fun game. Not always bad, but not worth the risk lol
I do the same when I play killer (which is rare), they generally don’t wait until the very last second nowadays (although I’ve had my fair share of those in the past), but some still spam a pallet vault to try and get my attention after the gates are opened (which never works lol, I still stay put).
That’s not even cos of the t bags, which can be a little irritating but generally don’t really bother me, it’s more cos I won’t give them that final satisfaction of chasing them out. It’s not even a salty thing, I just won’t dance to their tune 😆🤷🏻♂️
I don’t really hide the egc, I don’t always engage though and sometimes I just don’t even stick around to read it
You could also counter the toxicity with humor or positivity.
That's cuz many survivors usually stand there and wait to teabag lol I love when they miscalculate the timing and the entity gets them cuz they're there waiting to teabag the killer 🤣
I always try and lean away from the Us vs. Them mentality, all because of one match I had on RPD as Nurse. It was a group of Offline TTVs doing anti-hook/Sabo builds, and I was the bad guy for slugging, despite them creating no other option for me. Because of that I kind of vowed myself to always think about the Killer when playing survivor, you can't blame the killer for countering you when you use something that is counterable. When I saw the TTVs messages in endgame chat, thought, "So I'm supposed to let them bully me with sabos despote being able to do so.ething about it?"
Louder for the people in the back. My personal favorite is when killers get accused of tunneling when the person who just came off the hook runs straight to them lol
A lot of today's toxicity is a long-lasting effect of Ochido's spread and normalization of survivor toxicity. He was the one to popularize making clips where killers get bullied, where the sole purpose of playing the game as a survivor was to make the killer angry and rage quit. I remember having to deal with Ochido wannabies daily, they'd abuse the ranking system to join lower rank lobbies to bully killers, they'd switch to flashlights last second, they'd abuse map offerings to their advantage. And if it was obvious you were pretty decent as a killer and they got downed before they made a funny clip, they'd disconnect to find a worse killer so they can bully them instead. Things are *significantly* better now, true toxicity is really rare. Nowadays you just deal with tryhards that use meta builds and play to win.
When I first started playing killer, my biggest fear was running into a group like that and being bullied into oblivion. I don't think it ever really happened.
Definitely Ochido started that wave no lies there lol
@@chaosflash912the thing you find is most of the teams who try this aren’t actually that good at it or waste too much time not doing gens that the killer wins anyways
@@chaosflash912 I met one of those teams on my third-ever killer game. I tried Huntress for the first time on the old Haddonfield, and they bullied the shit out of me... I didn't touch killer again for like 2 years.
The fact you tried to blame it all on survivors means ur comment cant be taken seriously as both sides have some toxic people and some good people
Forgot to mention that some of the BIGGEST horror characters in movie history are in this game.
That could explain why it took off. Were it not for them getting the Halloween license, it would not be where it is today.
in my opinion the biggest problem is the matchmaking. As "beginner" killer I always get high prestige survivors and can't catch any of them but as a 800h survivor I ALWAYS get noob teammates who don't do gens and go down instantly. It's so hard to survive a match if you are a low skill survivor under 2k hours. It should be more balanced.
yep my killer rank was only bronze and i got paired with a prestige 100 survivor (right before rank reset btw so it was the end of the term)
@@imdvaRank doesn't exist it's a grade, also P100 doesn't mean they are good just means they spent a lot of points on one character. None of that has anything to do with matchmaking.
They turned down MMR for queue times and its noticeable. They need to manage it better for sure.
@@loolabunnie3964 p100 means they've played enough to be better than someone who isnt even p10 on any killer. more playtime=more prestige
@@imdva not wth the amount of bp that gets thrown around. Play as killer you can get 200k a match at times. Yes they've committed a lot of time. No that doesn't mean they are good. Another person could have every character at P20 you'd think they aren't as good? It's an illusion that P100 are the best players
I have like 600 hours into DbD and I very rarely encounter any toxicity I think being on PlayStation and not having an end game chat helps this massively (I’m guessing)
Yeah end game chat is crazy from what I've seen. Not being able to engage in it is a massive help
People calling DBD the most toxic community is sad, cuz the LOL community exists.
Genuinely seen people directly compare the two and say that dbd is worse!
i mean i played LOL for a bit and it is very toxic but it’s toxic in a different way. like you can avoid people being toxic in chat in both games but in dbd you can have both your side & the other side be toxic towards you unless you play only killer. in LOL it’s normally not the other side being toxic in game (not including the chat more like the actions of the opposite team)
Don’t forget Elden Ring, CSGO, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Broken Edge, Fortnite, Apex Legends, etc
@@AaronDukeYTIf I hear it’s more toxic than R6, I trust that cause R6 is another level of toxic compared to dbd.
@@Gloriousturtlechan well your experience is quite different from most then lol, as a survivor main i get salty killers all the time & a lot of stufff in dbd gets censored anyways so you might not have realized what they’re even saying. also if you don’t play on pc then that makes sense why. if you do then you might just be getting lucky with people who aren’t as angry
100% it's like the devs are purposely ignoring the fact that pig needs a nerf!
I think the biggest problem with dbd is players (both survivors and killers) finding using the mechanics of the game to be toxic. Tunneling, Face camping, Basement hooks, Crouch Walking, Flashlights, Using perks-- these are all just tools players are given to play with and for some reason these people lose their minds when someone DARES to use them.
Imagine getting shot in CoD and running into your opponents twitch chat to call them a toxic loser for using a 'shoot strat' or some nonsense
Facecamping is game design, I believe the devs even used it at one point, its simply terrible game design, and thus it brings frustration, like if a gun in COD that increases your respawn time when it kills you exists
I'm a firm believer that most of the toxicity would go away in this game if behavior just actually balanced certain playstyles and punished other things that people can do for BM
gigachads play customs with their friends to truly guarantee all sides have fun 😎😎
I’m actually surprised with how people call dbd the most toxic community cause I’ve only encountered someone salty or toxic about 3 times spread over years
Same here :/
I encounter a lot of angry survivors when I play killer 😭
I've played world of warcraft and league of legends. DbD community seems so tame by comparison lol
Win or lose, I could tell surv/ killer GG and a compliment (Good mind game, wow you got me off guard there,etc) and its the most anti-social thing ever. Even when they win.
@@watchmehope6560 interesting. My end game chats have almost always been nice (unless it's console players, then there just isnt any chat) Very rarely someone will be a jerk, but usually the rest of the people in the lobby wont engage with the negative comments
Besides the rather negative mindsets the DBD community has, I think a majority of the toxicity stems from player frustration. From personal experience and from watching others, I think this frustration comes from how people play (like being with timid survivors who hide all game, or having a killer camp, slug or tunnel (or any combo of the 3)) as well as BHVR themselves and how they handle certain things within the game.
I feel the same way.
I think DbD as a game itself allows for too many "mechanics" that will obviously ruin fun and lead to frustration, to go unpunished.
For example, if you're being face camped, (especially by an insta down Killer), there's nothing you yourself can do about it. You're at the mercy of other players, who might just decide it's better to do gens. It actively stops you from playing the game you're trying to play.
This is obviously gonna lead to a lot of frustration. And it's just one example of SO MANY, on both sides.
I play some of the most toxic games in the market, League of Legends, Call of Duty, Rainbow Six Siege...
Not one of them ever had me as frustrated as just about 2/3 of my DbD games. Because their players are toxic, yes, but none of them allow for so many frustrating and hurting actions gameplay wise.
You can ignore someone texting you to "kys", and you can ignore your teammate running it down, even if it loses you the game, cause it doesn't affect yourself and your own decision making. But DbD puts so much control over your own actions in others hands. To the point where other people can decide to stop you from further playing the game while holding you captive. It takes away your autonomy.
It is bound to make people mad.
It makes me mad. I love the basic concept of DbD and the characters, but I cannot stand playing more than a handful of games maybe once a week. It mentally drains me too much.
@@KIxYOSHI2077 Not to mention it just gets soooo boring and can make you wonder just why tf you’re bothering to play when you get camped and tunnelled early on in each game
@@KIxYOSHI2077 exactly, I'm here to play the game, not hanging on the hook or lie on the ground for two minutes, like every second match or so.
@@Charlie-vp5tnYou 2 see? This is the reason. Even here you complain about camping, which is in the game since the begining. And there is plenty perks and mechanics to help nowdays. Let me ask a question. What do you think how fun do you think for the killer, when at his first hook with a relative fast chase 2 gens pops, and when he move away from the hook the 3rd is finished as well?
I am sure, some of the killers camp because they try to get reactions and then bully the survivors for it, like a real troll. But be sure, that is the minority. Most of the killers just simply try to win, and it is way easier if somebody is out of the game early. Or at that point what i described they just want to secure at least one kill.
And maybe you are not genrush 3 gens in a blink. But you know, killers don't have the luxury to wait until it is for sure that he will be rushed, because they will looses without a miracle.
@@Kaoraku don't tell me about what the killer feels, I play both sides and I know the pain. Camping at the start for no reason ruins other players gameplay and mood. I understand camping for securing kills, but doing it just because you are being a jerk isn't good for anyone. I don't want to hanging on the hook the whole match, just because some player decided to ruin my experience or they do that just because, some players don't even need a reason.
As someone who has mained Blight, I have seen a fair share of toxicity, on top of in-game stuff on top of chat.
This game can be the most rage inducing, but also victory feeling game I've played.
Good game
I just remember my first time playing recently on the xbox and playing killer and not really knowing what Im doing to the point that I didn't even see anyone else in the game until like 1 gen was left(also didn't know that killers had a lunging attack option either lol) but managed to get a 2k by the end partly because the other two took off while I hooked the other person. Spent most of the match just smacking and running after whoever popped into my vision first. As soon as the end game lobby popped up I get someone messaging me in my xbox messages to complain about tunneling.
Obviously doesn't represent the whole community but I can't say it doesn't color my perception a good bit.
I played as survivor main many years, but right now it's unbearable to even try...
Switched to play as The Trapper and presto 🙌 Now i have been really happy to have beginner survivors against and I don't need to be sweaty 👍 New survivors are just so adorable and i create heart warming memories and matches with them when they feel hopeless ♥️
I let them know that their teamwork is essential, everybody makes mistakes and not all Trappers are cold hearted 🤭
I'll just start to be goofy and nod, step on my own traps, etc to gain their trust and being friendly and let them escape.
I wish that my actions would bring even some new players joy and strength to carry on ♥️💪
I streamed DBD yesterday, and one of the people in my chat said he liked my stream because of how wholesome and genuine I was being in the game, and not being super toxic or full of ego. He said it's super rare to find streams like that these days I'm like dude I'm not trying to be toxic or anything im just playing to have fun. I've always felt killers and survivors should both play fair and treat each other with respect, it's just common sense.
I started playing around July 2020. I had friends playing but I was hesitant because I heard stories of people being mean. I finally got it and one of the first games I played a survivor yelled at me for not taking a hit. And I later played tombstone Michael (didn't realize how tombstone worked) and a survivor told me I'm the worst. I was like geez. But I kept playing because I had fun when I didn't have those interactions. The game can be frustrating and I've experienced the frustration. And you never know what someone is experiencing IRL that they then take into the game. Even yesterday I had a survivor tell me I purposely denied him hatch which was not the case and he came into my chat on the defense but we talked it out and we are good. He was lovely and apologized to me for being upset. That wouldn't have had a happy ending if I didn't treat the situation with kindness and actually listen to him and likewise with him listening to me. Players need to take accountability for their words and actions in end game chat and outside the game. And players need to know their own limits. Took me sometime to listen to myself. If I'm getting upset at bad match after another I turn the game off for a bit. Everything will be ok if you need to stop playing for your own sanity but people need to take accountability when they become toxic. 3100 hours later...I've memed and played in tournaments. I still thoroughly enjoy the game even with all its faults. I like the game which is why I play. People can play how they want in game but be accountable for what you take out of it too. In the end it is just a game❤ I will say I've met some wonderful people through DBD who I consider dear friends.
"We have noticed that the perk 'Made For This' has been one of the best performing survivor perks since its release. So we decided to remove the Pig's bear traps entirely."
It's definitely the most toxic community I've ever seen in nearly three decades of gaming, DBD is literally the sole reason for my steam profile being private. I've played games where people will message me after a match or other petty stuff like that, but DBD is the only game I've played where people will actively try damaging my work outside of the game; I've had people leave hate comments on workshop mods that are completely unrelated to DBD over a dozen times, some of which had their entire friends list join in on intentionally bombing my mods.
I have met 3 of my closest gaming buddies from playing dbd and it's just cause they invited me a solo queue survivor who normally plays killer but bounces between the two into their party and were some of the nicest most genuine people I met Gabe and Key and Shawn if you see this love you boys 💙
I just had someone message me telling me to ask for a refund for wesker because I quote unquote “Got Destroyed” while I was trying to complete challenges.
Like who does that?
I got two at the end, the one who messaged me one other were down.
I hooked the one that messaged me and the other got out. So I secured my one survivor kill.
I asked him why he felt the need to try and make people quit playing had it been someone who was just having a bad game or just trying the game out.
Never did get a response.
Edit. The team was obnoxiously t-bagging and clicking flashlights as well.
This game made me disable the option to receive messages from randoms.
There is no discussion with me about the presence of toxicity.
Only question is if the MMO’s/LOL are worse.
I played clay Pidgeon with random survivors and I dragged them out with my spear to get them out. They played along and ran waiting for me to release them. I had no way to win this match but this last interaction brought me joy despite me failing a challenge.
About 2 years ago I decided to track how much toxic behavior I was seeing for 200 games. I saw some form of toxic play in just over 50% of matches. Mainly taunting (teabaging and flashlight spam). I recently did the same thing and the occurrence seems to have halved. It was just over 25% of matches now. It's not super scientific and I'm on console so there's less end game chat but it feels like there is less toxic stuff going on these days.
If people are telling me to uninstall my life like they were on PC, regularly, then I'm ecstatic that I'm on console now.
I literally had a couple games yesterday having to deal with salty survivors. So I'm a P100 Blight but I'm not as good with him as I used to be due to me trying other killers, and not playing the game as much with IRL stuff going on. Played a few games and was called out for being a "fake" or I don't deserve the P100 since I'm not good with a killer that I have P100. My goal was never to be a god tier Blight, I just like the character. People seem to forget that prestige level and skill level are not the same thing.
I think MMR being added to the game was the dumbest thing BHVR could've done. I feel like ever since that was introduced the entitlement, saltiness, and overall mindset of the player base has changed. I wish we could go back to the "old" DBD where you didn't have squads who gen rushed and killers who tunnelled survivors immediately off hook.
I think DBD does have an entitled community and I think MMR has made the community more entitled. I would love to see how the community would have turned out if MMR was never put in.
The games reputation is what stole 6 years of this game for me (I was interested when it was first announced, but warned away so I just followed the killer lore).
The nightly messages and trash behavior my sister and I see nightly just reenforces it. And 9 times out of 10, it's survivors (I play both, I know how hard or easy each role is - if I am spending more of my time fighting OTHER SURVIVORS ON MY TEAM, there is a problem.
I had someone compliment my Huntress gameplay which was nice. I smiled at that. They said that they aspire to be like me. Huntress is the only killer I'd say I'm decent with.
People on DBD Twitter from what I’ve seen are the most delusional people I’d ever seen. Everyone thinks they know how to balance the game even though their balance suggestions would greatly benefit one side while screwing over the other.
I also see people constantly posting things like “why are killers such assholes?” And “Why are survivors so toxic?” Even though both sides are just playing the game like they’re supposed to?
There’s just such a massive double standard in the DbD Twitter community and as a result, people are constantly at each others throats.
You haven't seem Sonic twitter then, they make dbd twitter look tame in comparison which is a feat itself
Honestly I've only had a few negative experiences with communication (I'm on console) but often times it ends pretty chill. I try and say gg after a match if the killer shares my platform or thank them if it was especially fun or horrifying lol.
If you mainly play killer, I appreciate you for giving my friends and I something to do. If you have a rough match, chances are I'll let you hook me after endgame because you deserve bloodpoints, too. I'm bad at the role but play from time to time and usually the survs are pretty good and/or friendly.
If you mainly play surv, I appreciate you helping to try and get the other survs out or having a good time just vibing in a corner/locker lol.
I actually joined twitch because a billy with a silent chainsaw downed me from across autohaven and it was glorious. Very chill people in both roles if the games are played without the goals of 4 sacrifices or escapes are in mind per match
What a heartfelt video! I loved this so much, what an amazing change to point out some of the wonderful things about the DBD community! I am also really glad we are recognizing the much needed pig nerf 😂😭 That had me dead 💀
The only reason for this level of toxicity in this game is poor game design and balancing causing frustration to either side and devs taking years to address core issues, while introducing more "fun" only for one side changes. Toxicity is the result of a much bigger problem with the game itself.
I feel the part where you say they avoid the other side as if they had the plague. I gave my opinion on circle of healing and healing in general on a stream and then the streamer got mad at me and called me an homophobic bigot of a man for defending my point and then banned and blocked me saying I would not have done that were they a man. I was so confused but then I kept reading the chat from a non connected account and they all talked shit about me playing killer and not knowing how the game works and all that while the streamer laughed at me also for that.... I am a survivor main.
Edit: Before anyone gets any ideas about them calling me an homophobic bigot, I didn't even know they were lesbian because in my eyes it didn't matter since I was having fun up until that happened. I was even in their lobby and they said they were disgusted they played with such a filthy person..
Hello, Aaron! I've been watching your videos for a few months at least, now, and you've quickly become one of my go-to DBD channels. I love how fair your videos are to everyone, and the care you take with more sensitive topics.
I dunno if you'll even see this, but I wanted to humbly request something for you to cover? I've been trying to talk about it, but I don't have a following and I'm getting absolutely nowhere in trying to bring attention to it (and, ironically, the last time I tried to bring it up on Twitter, someone turned it into a "they don't care because they coddle the Killers" thing, which COMPLETELY missed the point).
I've been trying to bring awareness to the fact that the new heartbeat feature for the Terror Radius doesn't work well enough for some people, and how the red meter they had added to Spine Chill was a far better option for them. I know the Spine Chill update was only supposed to be temporary, but it tremendously helped me as someone with audio processing issues. The heartbeat doesn't work as well for me, and I'm back to the same problems I had before with not truly being able to gauge the distance of the Killer. It's more confusing, and a distraction, than it is helpful. It also doesn't really help much if you're in a locker to know how safe it is to come out of hiding. I know that I can't be the only one that feels that they shouldn't have taken an accessibility feature away (even if it *was* supposed to be temporary), nor can I be the only one that found Spine Chill to be exponentially more helpful.
Really, I'm just trying to start a dialogue about proper accessibility options, and how there *should* be options because one size doesn't fit all needs. However, like I said, I don't have a platform and only my friends watched the video I made about it 😅
If this is something you would be interested in covering, please do! If not, I totally understand. I just figured it didn't hurt to ask! Thanks for reading this if you do see it 😊
Hey hey! My email is aaronduketwitch@gmail.com, send me a link to the video you made! :)
I also have over 2K hours in the game, so I know a little bit. Probably 3/4 of that time I spent playing as killer, but that still gives me 500 hours as survivor and I can affirm that 80% of survivor mains are disgusting. Test it out yourself, play a killer you're not very good with and with a build you're not used to, the survivors are gonna try their best to make you feel like trash. This "choose your side and hate the other" thing exists, and I'm conviced that it's not the killers fault. Play fair, have fun and don't be a douche.
as a knight main i pretty much get salt every other match, i do play to win yes but i’m not toxic, sad how most people can’t handle that
I've just officially decided to only play on switch. Playing on anything else with that endgame chat is horrendous. I cannot continue to be told to off myself by some random man child because they died or whatever. While playing on switch, I usually just experience someone trolling and that doesn't matter to me anymore. Experience has improved greatly.
New player here... I started playing during the anniversary event, and this has to be the most positive community I've ever tsken part in. Sure, have I'll get t-bagged or hit-on-hook once in a blue moon, and I did kill a bully squad of 4 who invited me to a party chat and threw just about every slur at me imaginable, but besides that, it's been really positive.
I always get messages from other players on how to improve, as well as GG messages whether or not I win/ lose.
It's been great in my experience.
I am a survivor main, I rarely play killer so I don’t know too much on their end. But lately I have actually encountered many toxic individuals during matches who intentionally through the game by messing up gens and heals, work with the killer, or even use other survivors as bait. The end game chat isn’y the best either, with constant cursing and many survivors and killers showing so much entitlement.
Overall, with the amount of hate and hostility I have encountered in dbd I think the toxicity is found within a person and not the community.
LITERALLY. The killers ironically are usually not toxic, only Bubba mains who do that shit on purpose. Nurse is just powerful so it's not toxic, she just stomps lol. Had a survivor literally point flashlight at me as a surv to rat me out to the killer, and deliberately spam heal so I couldn't run and throw a pallet and vault a bunch of times to bring the killer over to my gen. I just went to the hook, stood at it, pointed at it, and the killer hooked me so I suicided on hook. I reported them after.
This whole " us vs them " mentality goes to the ones that only play one side in my opinion. Because if we think about it most survivors never played killer and it shows they always have to say dumb things like " we're allowed to have fun but not the killer " or " killers are toxic " or " survivors ruin everything " this is where the whole us vs them happens. And probably a few killers never played survivor at all which is why it's important to play both sides. I don't understand why most survivors have to to cry about everything when it's literally just a game and Behavior isn't helping in anything since they seem to side with survivors more.
The toxicity in this community is so ridiculous to me. When we heard Ada's voice for the first time in Resident Evil 4 remake the voice actor received a lot of backlash to the point where she had to delete all of her social medias because of harassment. In Mortal Kombat 1 a character named Tanya was changed significantly and it received a lot of backlash to the point where idiots were harassing NRS and the face model herself. But oh man DBD community is just something else. At the end of the day both sides are just playing to win period. It was a party game both sides would be memeing around which barely happens.
The downside of me playing dbd is i do see it as a competitive game, but im not a competitive person and im just here to have fun and play with my favourite liscensed and original characters xD
Its a shame this game has a bad rep. I cant say that theres another game that let me jump into a Snowman as Freddy Krueger and start high fiving Nancy Wheeler from Stranger Things, who is also inside a Snowman.
Christmas was wild.
I love that Pig ends up catching a nerf to a fun build like 2 days after this comes out, lmao.
8:14 Does that meg had a warning for using that pallet bug/exploit?
I watched DBD for over 2yrs before I played it, since it's such an interesting game to watch. And whenever someone says "THIS is the most toxic community" I laugh. I'm part of SO many forums/pages from a multitude of games & every community says they're the best or most toxic lol.
Most of my killer matches end up being very pleasant, i have had matches where i tryhard against a SWF and they are still so nice in the endgame chat it makes my day, and with survivor matches, i get more pissed with my teammates than the killer
I’ve been playing DBD for 2+ years now on Xbox. Thankfully I don’t get exposed to a lot of toxicity because it takes more effort to send a message on console. Occasionally I’ve received messages when I play killer that I was camping or I’m trash. I rarely reply and just delete, I honestly try my best to play fair, I’m just not all that great playing killer. I usually only play killer to complete challenges. If I do get a negative comment when trying to complete challenges, I’ll usually reply with an apology and explain the situation. I figure it’s better to have a honest conversation than to engage in a battle. I have found watching Aaron’s videos have helped me be more aware of unfair practices playing killer and I try to avoid unfair play. Overall I really enjoy the game.
It is crazy how easy it is for me to hop on killer, play skull merchant, and immediately have 4 people begging me to end my own life. But tbh put anything as horrendous as skull merchant in any game and you'll get the same thing happening.
as a pig main, can confirm that pig's 19th nerf is long overdue
Thanks to these videos, they help me to stay positive when playing DBD, no matter what happens from the camping Bubba in the basement to the gen rushing. Like you say it's just a video game, have fun and just breathe. Which I like to always say is that the sun will shine tomorrow no matter what happens, unless it's cloudy🌤 Keep up the awesome work Aaron!!
Found this trying to figure out how to do animations on a tablet 💀
There should be separate casual and competitive game modes. Doesn't make sense that there aren't, it's human nature to be competitive but for those willing to be chill they should have a space
the comp players would flood the casual mode for easy games… let’s be realistic lol
As a part of DbD community I can confirm that I complaon a lot. I just don't share my opinion and mostly complain about how dumb my plays are and that I need to get better. Or to touch some grass.
As a killer main, i can truly say that Skull Merchant is so broken with her 3-gen abilty. I have been running a build recently that has basically got me so many 4k's they've mostly been 3k's but thats because i usually give the last survivor the hatch. One match, i loaded in, and before i even did anything, one survivor dc'ed as soon as they heard my terror radius. Then soon after 2 nicoles cage's dc'ed. This was after the recent update were bots would replace survivors who dc. I kill ed the bots and let the last true survivor go. She needs to be reworked, no nerfs, no buffs, a complete rework before she can stop being so annoying to play with/against.
A comp team went up against a skull merchant and it took them 1 hour to escape, yes its hard to win against her but its never impossible. You can win against skull merchant if you play against her in a smart way. She doesn't need a rework, survivors are just lazy to understand how to counter skull merchant. And yes I play her myself, and yes I've had lost to a good team who knew how to counter me, yes games last for ever but again, it's never impossible.
I havent played DBD in a while but this video clearly sums up that, yeah, almost any community can be considered toxic. Heck, my games in Valorant and LoL can be horrendous both in game (Voice chat, text chat, etc), and then AFTER the match.
Tbh the Us vs them is just ridiculous,after all if there was no killers there would be no survivors and vice versa
A lot of toxicity today results from early 2016-era toxic compilation content creators. This eventually spread to being normalized on the game. The worst part is that when a new game like dbd comes out, the community brings the same toxicity to that game and kills it for newcomers. The devs are aware how toxic the community is, but they seem clueless on how to stop it.
straight facts, playing killer has never been tougher for someone like me who is seriously just trying to have fun.
I almost suggested this game to my brother when he asked about it. I’m not scared of someone else being salty with him, I’m scared for the other person that decides to talk crap to him 😂
crazy thing is in game interactions with the fanbase are mostly positive tbh, its all the hatefulness in their social media that makes it unbearable. Not saying i havent faced or been teamed with toxic players but its not nearly as often as social media would make you think.
I wish to have a gamemode where it doesn’t involve MMR. It would solve the issue of taking the game too seriously to some extent (Or even other fun, casual gamemodes as others said)
Wouldn't work with the current systems in place in DbD. There are too many issues in regards to mechanic balance, map balance, design balance, etc. They try to have the community playtest for them and then will ignore a majority of that feedback and push patches live anyway. BHVR only mildly cares about those things. Hell, they typical only balance a thing because it gets used a lot, not because it is strong or weak but rather it depends on how popular that thing is. Items, addons, powers, etc. Killers get nerfed or buffed based on kill rates alone, nothing else, just the kill rates. That's why Trapper is stuck where he is in terms of viability after years while Blight and his addons are still a problem years later. There is a reason they won't do a health update even though the community has been asking for one for years now. No, they only care about selling product, BHVR gets hate because it's deserved. They gaslight and straight fucking lie to us as a community way too often. They talk about how much they care about their players but then ignore major issues in the game the players from both sides want addressed. They do just enough to keep the money flowing. They don't care about their game or the community of players, they only care about those sales.
A mode without MMR, a casual or fun gamemode would need to be so vastly different fromwhat current DbD is that there is a high chance people wouldn't enjoy that either. There would be no incentive to play in the MMR mode and not just roll people in casual. It would be exactly like the old Rank system that people currently love to wax nostalgic about even though it was objectively worse then SBMM is now. BP isn't and shouldn't be used for the incentive for reaching top grade every month when there is any form of MMR system in place for the ranked mode. Which circles back to, BHVR only cares about the sales. This is why shards are almost never given out when they screw something up majorly. It's why we get around ONE MATCH worth of BP when they screw up something that makes the game unplayable.
They care about the players money, not the players, not the game.
I'm going to be honest. In all of my nearly 600 hours of playing DBD, I've never had one toxic end game chat. Annoying games? Yes. Ppl being rude? Yes. But toxic? Never. I just thought I'd share some positivity to let you guys know that there ARE good ppl who play the game
Thanks I Almost lost hope
Honestly I Didnt saw lot toxick either
Yesterday a wholesome people, one added me as afriend
I took a 2 year break because of toxic people in this game, and I agree it has gotten a lot better compared to two years ago.
I have noticed a down-tick in the amount of salt in end game chat for the past few months. Maybe they are just going to Twitter 😂. Nice Gary "The Hot Cross" shout out,, BTW!
I’ve noticed that as well tbf! And yeah he’s great 😁
That Fan on the left of the background was drawing my attention lol, i dont even know why!?
I really think the "party game" vs "competitive game" is whats actually wrong with our community. And honestly I know this sounds unfair, but at the core, it's usually a competitive gamer behaving like an A--hat that ruins it for everyone else. And thats not a survivor vs killer thing at all. It's just that one person behind the controller behaving however he wants because he can.
My biggest tip. Dont talk in chat, dont do twitch unless you really like the person streaming, and dont watch youtube either. The biggest part of the problem is people who feed off this issue in order to make content, thus giving certain players and streamers more airtime. Ive stopped doing in game chat and have cut down on the on the other two an awful lot, and honestly its a much better experience.
The last game I played as oni before my computer broke I got a ttv squad that last switched to all flashlights and I knew they wanted to bully me bc no one did gens and they all hovered around me when in chase and I hooked them all fully I didn’t camp or tunnel but they all complained in end game about how I didn’t let them get flashlight saves and how I stayed to close to hook like it’s my fault they unhooked right in front of me
Actually, following your advice was one the best decisions I made for playing the game: Ggwp after every match. Thank you for everything that you do 💙💜
What a great thing to point out all the charities DBD content creators do! One AmandaLeighCosplay is constantly doing charity streams
I don't really understand the reputation when the toxicity is so easy to avoid. this game has no in game voice chat that detriments you if you shut off. you don't have to look at endgame chat and if you're in a Discord and people are giving bad vibes, you can leave. I used to play Overwatch and I still have a vivid memory of me leaving voice chat on because I was playing healer and having a dps player yell at me, like, literally scream, for reviving the tank instead of him. plus there's no chat box in the game either! I remember playing MMOs where you'd have just harassment popping up on your screen all the time while you were just trying to play. none of that is present in dbd. it's only toxic if you yourself choose to engage in that behaviour. also unless someone is literally holding the game hostage I just choose not to view any player decisions as "toxic" either...I'm not in their head, idk why they chose to play that way or maybe they made a mistake. I can't count the amount of times I led the killer to my team on accident just trying to get away. if you choose to be salty and overcompetitive and assume that was on purpose, that's a you problem. Cutting off toxic people helps too. After I did that my time with the game was pretty good vibes. Even had lots of players bring bps and let me escape when others DC, being friendly/slowing down snowballing games to allow both sides to get points...the game was only toxic when my own mindset was toxic too. expect a bad time and thats what you're going to get every time.
@AaronDukeGame I am somebody who has never played Dead by Daylight until a couple days ago. I started watching Ohmwrecker play the game and in turn, found SpooknJukez then you. I've mainly been watching Spooks and your content for the last couple years about the salty ttvs and the toxic behaviors, yet I still find myself so excited to play the game. I know how stressful competitive games can be and at times, it can be very difficult to remember that it is just a game and the point is to destress and enjoy yourself. (I am not saying that you cannot enjoy playing a game if your purpose is to be competitive. I feel that the majority of people naturally feel this way because of it being a natural human instinct, to compete, survive, and win.) I currently have a few hours into the game, but mainly have been playing as a killer. It is very difficult for me to play as a survivor just starting out. There is too much going on and to focus on that I was upsetting my team in the few survivor matches I played, I just deemed it unplayable until I can find some friends to play with me and help me learn the game. So far, I have run into a few people that are foul, but I do not take it to heart at all. I truly have been enjoying the game, the sound design is incredible, the atmosphere is very well done, and I find myself getting spooked (yes, even playing as the killer. I swear, those crows scare me the most out of everything.) I don't stream and I don't use social media (only discord, but I tend to hide offline) so I know that my words don't really amount/count for anything. Be that as it may, I just hope that I can reach one person with a new player experience into this game and community and help spread positive vibes. -Thanks for reading my TedTalk (if any of you did) EDIT: My display name is Partheniki and I hope to see you in the fog
As someone who played Call of Duty back in the day (2010/2012); sometimes DBD community DO feel more toxic which is a wild feat considering how COD's community is.
As a neither survivor, nor killer main: I find myself in a unique place sometimes…
I say you should do more videos dedicated to the more chill/ positive side of dbd. Show that there's a lot of fun streamers that are more times than not overshadowed by the louder more toxic variants.
Before DbD i played CS, League, Smite, Fortnite and a few other pvp games. I genuinely believe that compared with these, the DbD community is like kindergarden compared with high school in terms of toxicity.
Most DbD players just don't realize it because we are too stuck in an abusive relationship with this one game to even try other games anymore.
I play both but..I much prefer to play killer. It lets me set the tone of the match. If I wanna chill and have fun by being friendly, I can't guarantee a killer will do that unless I'm the killer. I love being a friendly Myers/Legion/Pig/Ghosty. Sometimes I'll slap meme bp add-ons on legion and lead them to gens, occasionally frenzy slashing them or hitting them so I get bp for doing so and they get it for gens and healing.
coming from someone who hails from the overwatch community, dead by daylight is one of the least toxic communities ive ever been a part of, when ive been exposed to the sheer vitriol and hate that is the overwatch fanbase (which i still partake in to this day) swapping over to dead by daylight feels like a breath of fresh air, and people seeing it otherwise is quite disheartening, cause as toxic as youtube twitter and twitch content makes it seem, it really is a nice community filled with amazing people
Ive been playing dbd since launch and I didnt know how bad twitter was until last year,
I havent been back since :)
I once faced a toxic hacker who was speedhacking. I was tbagged, told ggez, (as usual) by the hacker and 2 others. Whose the 4th? Well its someone who actually tried to help me kill the hacker and just was very humble and assisting. Now that's one story. I have another :] So I was playing with 4 survivors on badham, one was p100 and the 3 others were in a swf. Now I have an amazing early game (6 hooks at 4 gens) so the swf dc's. Me and the p100 begin to chat and we have been friends for 3 weeks now and he has helped me become a better survivor main :)
There are some interesting perspectives offered in the comments, the one that truly caught my eye was about "it is in the game, it is allowed" logic. And that is where problem lies imho.
It is not about using these mechanics/items/perks. It is about HOW you use them. Few examples: Crouching, making noise (and many more) is not meant for people wanking their egos at exit gates and rubbing it in until last few seconds of endgame collapse (yet many see it every day, often every other match). Flashlights werent made to macro click and be as annoying as it is humanly possible. Perks werent designed with an intention to lock the other side in torture bully simulator. Basement wasnt made with an intention for killer to stay there with insidious or turning it into a deathtrap of no escape, intention behind mechanic of downing a survivor is not slugging entire team and letting them bleed out for fun or out of spite, or as a revenge, etc.
I find it funny that this community tends to weaponize the most normal features of the game and when called out, their major "uno reverse card" argument is "but it is in the game, it is tool given by devs so I can have fun in any way I desire, so screw you, you X/Y main" even if that means the other side might suffer due to the someone elses pettiness. I have seen a few communities, good and bad, but this one definitely up there among the worst not because of the amount of toxicity alone, but because of its complete lack of any empathy for the other side, and selfish entitlement being bottomless source of it. That is only further reinforced by good old tribalist "us vs them" with "both sides" stuck in between, negatively labeled by both.
Those who possess such empathy are usually either in minority, quit, or just snap under the pressure and continue the circle.
Just my little L take, perhaps a food for thought.
Sure this game has so many blood boiling moments but I would like to share my favourite game I was in. I tried to play as Wraith (had less than 2 hours in playing killer at the time) and I was against a 'bully squad'. 4 flashlights, tons of flashlight saves, two hooks in the entire game but I refused to camp because I knew if they are this good in saving with fls they would know how to counter a camper so I just let them save and chased them around. No kills. I had fun anyway and the end chat was great. One of them actually apologized for bullying and I said the good old 'it's cool, it's just a game'. After that the chat was so wholesome and they added me to their friends list. It's not always so bad.
Besides as a survivor main I prefer a camping killer to a rage quitting survivors...
I only play the game from time to time to have some fun with friends. I ran into some toxic survivors as the killer but yeah the majority that I have come across are friendly. The only thing that I have trouble with while trying to play the game is by the end of the match. I always get an unknown error and I have to restart my game. I can only play one match with friends and i have to restart it. Sometimes my friends join me and I can't even see them or we are splitted in random parties. I would love to play the game properly but so far we're doing it this way with friends when we team up. Restarting our game. I was very unsure if I ever wanted to play this game when I started it but so far I have no regret even though there are errors that I encounter a lot. I still love the game. The devs made an awesome game.
Survivors: “Tunneling and facecamping is so toxic!”
Meanwhile survivors looping and bullying the killer
Every gaming community has toxicity.
Every competitive community is toxic. This is nothing new.
Hey Aaron i just wondered do you do toxic videos on just streamers or on youtubers aswell ? Just wondering
Whoever really, it’s not specific :)
@@AaronDukeYT ah ok fair enough ,I love ur channel and that's my favourite series of vids I've seen I think just because of your takes on them and how you seem to be one of the only creators I see do them kinda vids ,people just need to be nicer to each other and realise it's just a game
As a player of both, sadly most of the salt comes from the survivor side. i think there should be some more stricht penalties for toxicity
Been playing DbD since the first week of release. In no other game (including mobas) have I been harassed by a flood of anonymous accounts weeks after a match took place. Blocking only does so much and I refuse to make my profile private to cater to them.
Though to be fair, I haven’t experienced this in the last 2 or so years. I haven’t really played Killer nearly as much either. It went from 90/10% Killer/Survivor to 1/99% Killer/Survivor. I’ve done it all and I’ve seen it all. Mains of both sides are the problem but I can count on two hands the amount of overly toxic Killers I’ve faced compared to the limitless angry survivors I’ve seen.
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It's more about people being overly sensitive these days,words like toxic / insrert x word + phobic are thrown way too easily,,,i played league on its peak years and boy dbd community feels like a a group of kids being mad cuz mama didn't buy them ice cream
I feel like a lot of this game's problems stem from a certain killer we all know and either hate to love or love to hate that is bottlenecking everything from perks to gameplay in general. That killer.... Is the Pig. The pig needs some massive nerfs that way this game can function better and other killers can have a chance to receive buffs while perks also can receive buffs. But those perks on Pig are just too good. If she just wasn't in the game, maybe. MAYBE. this community would survive
I cant play killer because the bullying will infuriate me. I tried using ghostie once and i had a swf with flashlights and flashbangs. I ended up slugging them just to end the game.
After getting flamed by a 3 man swf after trying a meme knight build and not getting more than 5 hooks it’s a toxic bunch
as someone with almost 4k hours, im always gonna advocate to my friends to not play lmao everyones so chronically online or annoying asf💀
I play the game a lot, but I’m not in the community. I don’t interact on Twitter or really anywhere. I like my group and I like learning how not to be in the game from others like this but that’s about it.
Dbd has such a good concept with popular characters, i hate playing the game because of toxic people. It just ruins everything for me
I feel like this whole idea of DBD being the MOST toxic is kinda wrong, it's toxic sure but there are much worse communities out there. Like say Rust or Call of Duty.
Or Overwatch
The amount of general sportmanship towards archive challenges, being silly, and loose adherence to a code of conduct is something i only found in dbd. The longer someone has played this game the more likely they are to be in it for silly nonsense and that is directly opposite of other communities. I stayed here and not in many oither spheres because aside from squeaky wheels here and there I have had overwhelmingly positive interactions with the people I meet, and that is just not found elsewhere. So when people compare it to other Moba games or shooters and claim its worse i absolutely dont understand how they came to that conclusion, aside from maybe not being in that community for long enough. The diversity and antics of this game sold me on it years back and im staying put as a result.
I actually ran across this ttv like a week ago. And actually we got to talking and everything. And we're friends now :D. I have the video of our 1v1 on my channel. ( with their permission of course. This game can definitely be toxic.... But tbh what game isn't??? There's always some kind of toxicity somewhere.