Best Dose Human-Chorionic Gonadotropin (Increase Libido & EGGPLANT Length?) HCG Deep-Dive

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    0:00:00 - Intro Teaser
    0:00:24 - HCG Deep Dive!
    0:01:01 - What Is HCG?
    0:04:37 - HCG Medical Applications
    0:09:56 - HCG Monotherapy To Raise Testosterone
    0:13:28 - Urine-Purified HCG Vs. Recombinant HCG
    0:17:49 - HCG Evidence-Based Unique Characteristics
    0:22:08 - HCG Increasing Penile Length
    0:24:35 - HCG Vs. TRT
    0:36:07 - HCG High-Dose Studies
    0:44:27 - Why Does HCG Lose Effectiveness?
    0:48:33 - HCG Evidence-Based Detection Times
    0:51:33 - HCG Reported Detection Times
    0:51:59 - Ideal HCG Dose
    1:07:25 - Freezing HCG To Save Money
    1:16:47 - Closing Thoughts
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  • @VigorousSteve
    @VigorousSteve  Před 16 dny +15

    HCG Medical Inserts:
    Merck Ovitrelle Recombinant HCG: www.merckgroup.com/business-specifics/healthcare/global/fertility/OVITRELLE_package.pdf
    Organon Pregnyl Urine-Purified HCG: www.organon.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/p/pregnyl/pregnyl_pi.pdf
    Merck / Merck-Sharp & Dohme (MSD) Pregnyl Urine-Purified HCG: www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/p/pregnyl/pregnyl_pi.pdf
    APP Urine-Purified HCG: www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2011/017067s057lbl.pdf
    Ferring Novarel Urine-Purified HCG: ferringusa.com/pi/novarel/
    HCG Classified As A “Biological Product” In USA:
    Notice to Compounders: www.fda.gov/drugs/human-drug-compounding/notice-compounders-changes-affect-compounding-march-23-2020
    Biological Products: www.fda.gov/media/119229/download
    DoseCal: dosecal.cftri.res.in/index.php
    Citations:
    Padron, R.S. et al. (June, 1980) Prolonged biphasic response of plasma testosterone to single intramuscular injections of human chorionic gonadotropin. The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, 50(6):1100-4. doi: 10.1210/jcem-50-6-1100
    pismin.com/10.1210/jcem-50-6-1100
    Matsumoto, A.M. et al. (April, 1983) Human Chorionic Gonadotropin and Testicular Function: Stimulation of Testosterone, Testosterone Precursors, and Sperm Production Despite High Estradiol Levels. The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, 56(4):720-8. doi: 10.1210/jcem-56-4-720
    pismin.com/10.1210/jcem-56-4-720
    Smals, A.G. et al. (February, 1984) Differential effect of single high dose and divided small dose administration of human chorionic gonadotropin on Leydig cell steroidogenic desensitization. The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, 58(2):327-31. doi: 10.1210/jcem-58-2-327
    pismin.com/10.1210/jcem-58-2-327
    Matsumoto, A.M. et al. (May-June, 1985) Stimulation of sperm production by human chorionic gonadotropin after prolonged gonadotropin suppression in normal men. Journal of Andrology, 6(3):137-43. doi: 10.1002/j.1939-4640.1985.tb00829.x
    pismin.com/10.1002/j.1939-4640.1985.tb00829.x
    Martikainen, H. et al. (July, 1986) Testicular responsiveness to human chorionic gonadotrophin during transient hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism induced by androgenic/anabolic steroids in power athletes. The Journal of Steroid Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, 25(1):109-12. doi: 10.1016/0022-4731(86)90288-8
    pismin.com/10.1016/0022-4731(86)90288-8
    Saal, W. et al. (August, 1991) Pharmacodynamics and pharmacokinetics after subcutaneous and intramuscular injection of human chorionic gonadotropin. Fertility & Sterility, 56(2);225-229
    pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1712735/
    The International Recombinant Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Study Group (June, 2001) Induction of ovulation in World Health Organization group II anovulatory women undergoing follicular stimulation with recombinant human follicle-stimulating hormone: a comparison of recombinant human chorionic gonadotropin (rhCG) and urinary hCG. Fertility & Sterility, 75(6):1111-8. doi: 10.1016/s0015-0282(01)01803-9
    pismin.com/10.1016/s0015-0282(01)01803-9
    van der Merwe, R. et al. (March, 2004) The bioequivalence of liquid and freeze-dried formulations of recombinant human chorionic gonadotrophin. Current Medical Research and Opinion Aims & Scope, 20(3):397-402. doi: 10.1185/030079904125003044
    pismin.com/10.1185/030079904125003044
    Coviello, A.D. et al. (May, 2005) Low-dose human chorionic gonadotropin maintains intratesticular testosterone in normal men with testosterone-induced gonadotropin suppression. The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, 90(5):2595-602. doi: 10.1210/jc.2004-0802
    pismin.com/10.1210/jc.2004-0802
    Bassett, R. et al. (December, 2005) Comparative characterization of a commercial human chorionic gonadotrophin extracted from human urine with a commercial recombinant human chorionic gonadotrophin. Current Medical Research and Opinion, 21(12):1969-76. doi: 10.1185/030079905X75005.
    pismin.com/10.1185/030079905X75005
    Amory, J.K. et al. (February, 2008) Serum 17-hydroxyprogesterone strongly correlates with intratesticular testosterone in gonadotropin-suppressed normal men receiving various dosages of human chorionic gonadotropin. Fertility and Sterility, 89(2):380-6. doi: 10.1016/j.fertnstert.2007.02.059
    pismin.com/10.1016/j.fertnstert.2007.02.059
    Calleus-Bounacer, A. et al. (August, 2008) Evaluation of endocrine testing of Leydig cell function using extractive and recombinant human chorionic gonadotropin and different doses of recombinant human LH in normal men. European Journal of Endocrinology, 159(2):171-8. doi: 10.1530/EJE-07-0876
    pismin.com/10.1530/EJE-07-0876
    Roth, M.Y. et al. (August, 2010) Dose-dependent increase in intratesticular testosterone by very low-dose human chorionic gonadotropin in normal men with experimental gonadotropin deficiency. The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, 95(8):3806-13. doi: 10.1210/jc.2010-0360
    pismin.com/10.1210/jc.2010-0360
    Almeida, B.E. et al. (September 21, 2010) Analysis of human luteinizing hormone and human chorionic gonadotropin preparations of different origins by reversed-phase high-performance liquid chromatography. Journal of Pharmaceutical and Biomedical Analysis, 53(1):90-7. doi: 10.1016/j.jpba.2010.03.013
    pismin.com/10.1016/j.jpba.2010.03.013
    Wenker, E.P. et al. (June, 2015) The Use of HCG-Based Combination Therapy for Recovery of Spermatogenesis after Testosterone Use. Journal of Sexual Medicine, 12(6):1334-7. doi: 10.1111/jsm.12890
    pismin.com/10.1111/jsm.12890
    La Vignera, S. et al. (2016) Late-onset hypogonadism: the advantages of treatment with human chorionic gonadotropin rather than testosterone. Aging Male, 19(1):34-9. doi: 10.3109/13685538.2015.1092021
    pismin.com/10.3109/13685538.2015.1092021
    Fink, J. et al. (January, 2021) Human chorionic gonadotropin treatment: a viable option for management of secondary hypogonadism and male infertility. Expert Review of Endocrinology & Metabolism, 16(1):1-8. doi: 10.1080/17446651.2021.1863783
    pismin.com/10.1080/17446651.2021.1863783
    Whitaker, D.L. et al. (May, 2021) Anabolic steroid misuse and male infertility: management and strategies to improve patient awareness. Expert Review of Endocrinology & Metabolism, 16(3):109-122. doi: 10.1080/17446651.2021.1921574
    pismin.com/10.1080/17446651.2021.1921574
    Raheem, O.A. et al. (July, 2021) Efficacy of Non-Testosterone-Based Treatment in Hypogonadal Men: A Review. Sexual Medicine Reviews, 9(3):381-392. doi: 10.1016/j.sxmr.2020.08.003
    pismin.com/10.1016/j.sxmr.2020.08.003

    • @VigorousSteve
      @VigorousSteve  Před 16 dny +2

      Doping:
      de Boer, D. et al. (February, 1991) Doping control of testosterone and human chorionic gonadotrophin: a case study. International Journal of Sports Medicine, 12(1):46-51. doi: 10.1055/s-2007-1024654
      pismin.com/10.1055/s-2007-1024654
      Cowan, D.A. et al. (October, 1991) Effect of administration of human chorionic gonadotrophin on criteria used to assess testosterone administration in athletes. Journal of Endocrinology, 131(1):147-54. doi: 10.1677/joe.0.1310147
      pismin.com/10.1677/joe.0.1310147
      Stenman, U.H. et al. (July, 1997) Immunoprocedures for detecting human chorionic gonadotropin: clinical aspects and doping control. Clinical Chemistry, 43(7):1293-8. doi: 10.1093/clinchem/43.7.1293
      pismin.com/10.1093/clinchem/43.7.1293
      Handelsman, D.J. et al. (September, 2007) Effects of recombinant human LH and hCG on serum and urine LH and androgens in men. Clinical Endocrinology, 71(3):417-28. doi: 10.1111/j.1365-2265.2008.03516.x
      pismin.com/10.1111/j.1365-2265.2008.03516.x
      Roth, M.Y. et al. (August, 2010) Dose-dependent increase in intratesticular testosterone by very low-dose human chorionic gonadotropin in normal men with experimental gonadotropin deficiency. The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, 95(8):3806-13. doi: 10.1210/jc.2010-0360
      pismin.com/10.1210/jc.2010-0360
      Strahm, E. et al. (December 10, 2011) Influence of multiple injections of human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) on urine and serum endogenous steroids concentrations. Forensic Science International, 213(1-3):62-72. doi: 10.1016/j.forsciint.2011.07.002
      pismin.com/10.1016/j.forsciint.2011.07.002
      Lund, H. et al. (February, 2013) Sports drug testing using immuno-MS: clinical study comprising administration of human chorionic gonadotropin to males. Analytical and Bioanalytical Chemistry, 405(5):1569-76. doi: 10.1007/s00216-012-6566-6
      pismin.com/10.1007/s00216-012-6566-6
      Woldemariam, G.A. et al. (August, 2014) Immunoextraction-tandem mass spectrometry method for measuring intact human chorionic gonadotropin, free β-subunit, and β-subunit core fragment in urine. Clinical Chemistry, 60(8):1089-97. doi: 10.1373/clinchem.2014.222703
      pismin.com/10.1373/clinchem.2014.222703
      Lund, H. et al. (March, 2015) Comparison of newly developed immuno-MS method with existing DELFIA(®) immunoassay for human chorionic gonadotropin determination in doping analysis. Bioanalysis, 5(5):623-30. doi: 10.4155/bio.13.8
      pismin.com/10.4155/bio.13.8
      Butch, A.W. et al. (November, 2016) Urinary human chorionic gonadotropin isoform concentrations in doping control samples. Drug Testing and Analysis, 8(11-12):1147-1151. doi: 10.1002/dta.2061
      pismin.com/10.1002/dta.2061
      Sobolevsky, T. et al. (November, 2021) Biotin as a masking agent in chorionic gonadotropin assays utilizing biotinylated antibodies. Drug Testing and Analysis, 13(11-12):1929-1935. doi: 10.1002/dta.3141
      pismin.com/10.1002/dta.3141
      Goodrum, J.M. et al. (July 5, 2023) Impact of Biotin Supplementation on Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Immunoassays Utilizing Biotin-Streptavidin Binding Methods in Urine. Clinical Chemistry, 69(7):754-762. doi: 10.1093/clinchem/hvad060
      academic.oup.com/clinchem/article-abstract/69/7/754/7186580
      Li, T. et al. (October 2, 2023) HCG supplement did not accelerate tunica albuginea remodeling to facilitate penile growth. Scientific Reports, 13(1):16519. doi: 10.1038/s41598-023-38888-y
      www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-38888-y
      Tammasse, L.F.U. et al. (November 17, 2023) Different of Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Gonadal Axis in Male and Female. Reproductive Medicine International. doi: 10.23937/2643-4555/1710023
      clinmedjournals.org/articles/rmi/reproductive-medicine-international-rmi-6-023.php
      Goodrum, J.M. et al. (November-December, 2023) Influence of multiple human chorionic gonadotropin administrations on serum and urinary steroid Athlete Biological Passport profiles in males. Drug Testing and Analysis, 15(11-12):1371-1381. doi: 10.1002/dta.3579
      analyticalsciencejournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/dta.3579
      Handelsman, D.J. et al. (March 6, 2024) Single and multi-dose pharmacology of recombinant and urinary human chorionic gonadotrophin in men. Clinical Endocrinology, 101(1):42-50. doi: 10.1111/cen.15040
      onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/cen.15040

    • @barrie888
      @barrie888 Před 15 dny

      @@VigorousSteve great bedtime reading list there Steve, that Matsumoto study totally changed my practice about 2 years ago , a seminal study pun intended

    • @CatamaranChannel
      @CatamaranChannel Před 15 dny

      How much bacteriostatic water, do i have to add to Ovitrelle to make 0.1ml hold 162.5iu
      Can i use 0.9% saline water to?

  • @Br0kensaint1
    @Br0kensaint1 Před 16 dny +37

    I can safely no doctor I have spoken to can give this kind of detail. Steve your a living legend. We don't deserve you. What a legend

  • @acheronking
    @acheronking Před 16 dny +28

    IN HCG WE TRUST 💪

  • @schleybailey
    @schleybailey Před 16 dny +16

    Hell yeah, right to the fundamentals. This might just be the most pragmatically useful deep dive yet!

  • @dr.truthteller9768
    @dr.truthteller9768 Před 16 dny +35

    Again this man worked his A$$ off for all of us. Bringing the best to YT. Thanks Steve!

  • @Blaize__
    @Blaize__ Před 11 dny +3

    We need this type of series going over every compound, but it’s just bro science

  • @saintlatino
    @saintlatino Před 13 dny +3

    Fantastic video. I dont ever have to watch another HCG video ever again.

  • @mattepton5731
    @mattepton5731 Před 16 dny +3

    Starting my cardio and starting this awesome video with Coach Steve and the Vigorous Crew ! 💪🙏💯

  • @VincentSPICER
    @VincentSPICER Před 2 dny +1

    Another excellent video, Steve - we should be calling you Dr VigorousSteve - your dedication to the study of this field is commendable, almost incredible. I appreciate your efforts and enjoy learning from you.

  • @Steels247
    @Steels247 Před 9 dny +2

    My favorite channel hands down. I'm mainly on sustanon 250 and anavar with deca, with great results and no sides, and this is a fantastic video to study for future use

  • @testxer
    @testxer Před 14 dny +1

    A very important video done to perfection as usual! Vig is the workhorse of our community. TY

  • @gymrat8809
    @gymrat8809 Před 16 dny +10

    I look forward to it 💪🏼 This is an important topic for TRT and fertility and libido. 😊

  • @AnxiousCowboy
    @AnxiousCowboy Před 16 dny +5

    Been looking forward to this one… the best.

  • @mikeoxmaul1788
    @mikeoxmaul1788 Před 16 dny +12

    Can't wait for that fertility video, trying to get the missus pregnant with hypogonadism 💪

  • @viren4053
    @viren4053 Před 16 dny +4

    I love these videos. Number 1 category on your channel in my opinion.
    Full fledged deep dive.
    If you could also include:
    Your dosages(minimum maximum) your experience, duration, pros, cons
    That would be fantastic.
    For all PEDs I’d love to see this.
    Im sure WE would love to see these things too.
    Thanks for the upload. Will watch it once its out

  • @liltimmah
    @liltimmah Před 16 dny +2

    Been so keen for this

  • @Jake-eh6zd
    @Jake-eh6zd Před 16 dny +2

    Great info as always steve thank you for all your hard work 💪💪

  • @TheDrehMaster
    @TheDrehMaster Před 8 dny +1

    Thank you for all this work Steve!

  • @Mikaeel84
    @Mikaeel84 Před 15 dny +4

    You've been killing it lately Steve. But there's one thing I want to see more than anything in the whole wide world... A VIGOROUS STEVE DOUBLE BICEPS POSE TUTORIAL!!! 💪😎👍

  • @mrmacguffin6886
    @mrmacguffin6886 Před 15 dny +1

    Great video, we really needed it!

  • @blndaziz1926
    @blndaziz1926 Před 16 dny +3

    Hey i totally respect you, all love and respect a lot of good stuff introduced to me, very very few people are sharing such amazing knowledge love you man 💐❤️ you are gold

  • @BlueSTI
    @BlueSTI Před 16 dny +3

    Awesome information Steve🙏 that front double bicep looks crazy

  • @ryannewby4061
    @ryannewby4061 Před 16 dny +1

    Been looking forward to this one! Thanks Coach

  • @willmcwilliams2050
    @willmcwilliams2050 Před 16 dny +4

    Excellent video!

  • @Jesse-hk8ls
    @Jesse-hk8ls Před 14 dny +1

    Big uncle Steve. You’re a legend. Thanks for the videos.

  • @shanemichael6938
    @shanemichael6938 Před 16 dny +1

    Perfect timing I think over the last month pre starting newest cycle I watched every hcg video you have as well as Derrick and Leo (rip) just hopped on starting my cycle 2 weeks ago. This helped even more

  • @mikaellobban4944
    @mikaellobban4944 Před 10 dny +2

    There was a study done by Chonnam Medical school that grew the patients penis who had hypogonadism by 45%. This was also after puberty with low testosterone. The study was April 26, 2011 - Penile Growth in Response to HCG.

  • @max_955
    @max_955 Před 15 dny +2

    Oh damn, I started watching it 25 minutes by far and hadn't realized this video is more than 1 hour long! Steve for President

  • @chaoticmuscles
    @chaoticmuscles Před 16 dny +2

    Steve you are a global treasure. I was looking for this information on your channel not 3 hours ago and you read my mind 😂
    Your wealth of knowledge is definitely appreciated thank you and good luck on making vigorous babies 👶

  • @veganwutal1823
    @veganwutal1823 Před 15 dny +1

    Thanks for your work!

  • @marshallsaltzman9924
    @marshallsaltzman9924 Před 15 dny +3

    THANK YOU for testing the frozen hcg syringe theory, I’ve been wondering about this for months since it’s the only way I can rationalize paying for an actual prescription for pregnyl

  • @rexxstone4320
    @rexxstone4320 Před 8 dny +1

    Very informative answered many questions!!

  • @emajor18
    @emajor18 Před 9 dny +1

    Amazing info!

  • @crisper1614
    @crisper1614 Před 16 dny +30

    Had full blown testosterone suppression when I ran a sarms cycle. Shut down my testosterone and had to go on TRT. Became infertile and am currently on HCG to try and reverse this. Still have high prolactin levels. Watching this on premier. Absolutely amazing information.

    • @Chris-zi4mo
      @Chris-zi4mo Před 16 dny +2

      @@crisper1614 damn what sarms did you take?

    • @teddyweaver5197
      @teddyweaver5197 Před 16 dny +7

      @@Chris-zi4moHad to be a rare exception or already older. Also he never said that he tried a PCT

    • @andrewmacfarlane4899
      @andrewmacfarlane4899 Před 16 dny

      Nah SARMS are not safe. They were designed to castrate humans. Don’t be an idiot and take something that has been studied extensively.

    • @yasserxk8720
      @yasserxk8720 Před 16 dny

      @@crisper1614 u need a bit of OCT in sarms cycle and sometimes mini pct after it ... and i would highly doubt what you took wasnt authentic to a 100%

    • @seanfitzgerald1888
      @seanfitzgerald1888 Před 16 dny

      I’m manager for hormone clinic. I see this very often in young men. Only two or three months worth of doing such a cycle and their testosterone levels are permanently suppressed even three years later. Do not take those products. You are better off taking the real stuff. I have seen many men use steroids and were able to recover. HCG is helpful, but it is still replacing LH and it is not a permanent solution.

  • @SamSung-jn5fi
    @SamSung-jn5fi Před 16 dny +2

    Steve's uploads give me increased well-being and libido.

  • @brianwest3850
    @brianwest3850 Před 15 dny +1

    Freezing technique works amazingly!!

  • @lukemsilver
    @lukemsilver Před 16 dny +1

    So thorough it's great. Being able to freeze is nice.

  • @JJOV00
    @JJOV00 Před 16 dny +1

    Great and easily diamond hard double 💪 approved content, thanks Steve!

  • @hardaged1290
    @hardaged1290 Před 16 dny +3

    Preach Brother Preach

  • @_sr__2918
    @_sr__2918 Před 15 dny +1

    Steve good content as usual!! Idea for a video is to show the suppression on the hpta of different testosterone esters

  • @GaryTheRCcar
    @GaryTheRCcar Před 16 dny +21

    I'm 13 and starting gear because of you Steve! Amazing videos!

    • @VigorousSteve
      @VigorousSteve  Před 16 dny +8

      I think we can do a collab delivering "supplements" in a fun, but stealth manner 😅

    • @jordixboy
      @jordixboy Před 16 dny

      You start steroids because of you, not because of somebody else.

    • @tylerrohn6938
      @tylerrohn6938 Před 15 dny

      Lmao.. bruh

    • @cosmicyogi5148
      @cosmicyogi5148 Před 15 dny

      @GaryTheRCcar you're late gramps, should have started as soon as you popped out

    • @uhsemehicieronlas3
      @uhsemehicieronlas3 Před 13 dny

      way to go brah!

  • @ThinkTwice2222
    @ThinkTwice2222 Před 16 dny +3

    Fertility isn't factored in enough, should easily be a top 3 conversation. We always talk as if we never want to have kids or already had them all and it won't take a full year to get a decent sperm count

  • @ryanrogers8211
    @ryanrogers8211 Před 16 dny +1

    Thanks Steve 👍🏼

  • @Whatiffitness
    @Whatiffitness Před 8 dny +1

    I only watch 2/3 of this, but I played the whole thing. Do your part😂

  • @Carlosalfredopr
    @Carlosalfredopr Před 8 dny

    Ultra super duper ultra mega dega thankful for this deep dive Steve💪💪💪💪💪💪💪a front double bicep for you🔥

  • @misterbrickest
    @misterbrickest Před 16 dny +7

    I got great results from 12.5mg Test Cypionate -injected daily- (5-6 days of week) and 150IU HCG 3x per week. This keeps me at about 1000-1100ng/dl I'm actually trying to drop my TRT dose lower, as my blood pressure is sometimes barely a bit high, but mainly I have insomnia sometimes and a bit more sweating than normal. I am aiming for 850-900ng/dl for a while to see how I feel. I get anxiety on excessive androgen loads, even with good blood parameters. I spent so much money on bloodwork to figure this fact out. Mainly thanks to a million dudes on reddit saying: try this bro... your e2 too high bro... e2 must be low bro...
    My answer: some dudes just feel like anxious garbage on high androgens. It's like these guys think that testosterone/DHT is the root of all physical and mental well-being. But the reality is it's just an important piece of the puzzle.

    • @bintherdundat
      @bintherdundat Před 16 dny

      Absolutely agree. When I took the "recommended dose" from the TRT Mills almost lost my mind. Went way over the stimulation threshold and didn't sleep for 3 weeks! Were all different.

    • @marshallsaltzman9924
      @marshallsaltzman9924 Před 15 dny

      You and I are on very similar protocols. For me, it’s 12 mg with 100 iu ed, and 3000 iu d3 is an essential accessory

  • @BatmanBoss
    @BatmanBoss Před 16 dny +2

    Thanks buddy

  • @barrie888
    @barrie888 Před 15 dny +1

    Interestingly hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism has at least 30 associated genomic RSV, rare sequence variants, of which at least 10 are highly pathogenic , some people are carriers of more than one. The upshot is which ones you carry highly predict the response to HCG Somewhat influencing resulting testosterone level ,but even more the spermogram result , need for added FSH HMG etc . The science behind the individual variability you mention is extremely interesting. Tks the content.

  • @TheBigboy181
    @TheBigboy181 Před 16 dny +1

    you sir just earned a sub, amazing knowledge !

  • @FriendsOfCalvin
    @FriendsOfCalvin Před 15 dny +2

    So my takeaway is 500iu 3 x weekly to take into account denaturing timeframes and likely underdosed HCG vial claiming to be 5000iu
    Will monitor estradiol levels of course
    Legend Steve 💪🏾

  • @ricodelta1
    @ricodelta1 Před 15 dny +1

    Top info

  • @kasjakdierubweun252
    @kasjakdierubweun252 Před 15 dny +2

    Would be really interesting to hear your thoughts about when/if hcg stops working at a certain dose of aas? I’ve heard you mention in bio bros that when you are doing 1g+ of primo the hcg stops to work.
    Thanks for your great work.

  • @liltimmah
    @liltimmah Před 16 dny +2

    First off. Thanks for thr extremely informative video Steve :D
    Second, Can anyone confirm for me which I should do?
    Been blasting and cruising the past 16 months, cruising for the last 3. To restore testicular function and size while on trt, do I just go to 250iu 3x weekly on top of trt or do I need a higher dose of hcg to start with then lower it down to 250iu once I notice size has returned?

  • @kylelinsey5627
    @kylelinsey5627 Před 16 dny +1

    These videos are incredibly helpful, brings me back to medical school. Do you know of any safe sources to get recombinant FSH? I am currently on TRT and Hcg EOD and would like to add this to my protocol

    • @ToddChampion-iw3zm
      @ToddChampion-iw3zm Před 12 dny

      Start hanging out with people who would know. Or go to a country where you don’t need doctor’s prescriptions to buy reasonably safe medicine🙃

  • @junkmail6274
    @junkmail6274 Před 16 dny +1

    As a guy with Pregnyl in the fridge....this is the vid I was looking for...

  • @kadenmac2009
    @kadenmac2009 Před 16 dny +7

    I cruise on 250iu of HCG mono 3 times per week. Works well for me

  • @mickf.4958
    @mickf.4958 Před 16 dny +10

    Testosterone, HCG PLUS MASTERON for the estrogen / gyno

  • @19ishman
    @19ishman Před 15 dny +1

    Steve thank you so much for what you do, in your opinion the freezing method is fine even if you don't recombine HCG with bacteriostatic water, but NaCl water(classic water) ?

    • @VigorousSteve
      @VigorousSteve  Před 15 dny

      That should work as well, same with Sterile Water ;)

  • @gregyance9901
    @gregyance9901 Před 16 dny +1

    Can I just put the whole reconstituted vial in the freezer with the remaining HCG?. Does it need to be completely frozen or just at very low temperature?

  • @Mcbingus
    @Mcbingus Před 15 dny +1

    havent taken any peds but id be interested to try hcg by itself.
    over the last 12mo my fsh has been sub 1.3 (below labcorps 1.5 range) but my total test is 780 and free test 23 (higher end range natty)
    thougths for taking hcg to increase fsh levels with the benefit of everything else hcg can offer? seems relatively safe.
    Thanks in advance

  • @michaelcarr2466
    @michaelcarr2466 Před 11 dny +1

    Where can i purchase recobinant HCG in Bangkok? Thank you so much.

  • @vaggeliszografos7940
    @vaggeliszografos7940 Před 14 dny +3

    Sorry but wouldnt this still shut down your own natural production via negative feedback? So this also requires a pct to restore your natural production? Hcg is suppresive isnt it? What is the purpose of this then?

    • @user-mh6kb6eu7s
      @user-mh6kb6eu7s Před 13 dny

      Big nope. HCG is PCT.

    • @vaggeliszografos7940
      @vaggeliszografos7940 Před 13 dny

      @user-mh6kb6eu7s that's not entirely true though. As for many instances even in hcg monotherapy serms are used synergistically

  • @Carlosalfredopr
    @Carlosalfredopr Před 16 dny +2

    Have my prescribed hcg still on package just waiting fot this deep dive. Then I'll start, minimizing errors. (Will mix it with Bacteriostatic water). Any extra recommendations for recombinant it will be appreciated. Will store it in the fridge a the adequate temperature.

    • @JJOV00
      @JJOV00 Před 16 dny

      Run the bs water nicely along the inner surface of the vial and take into account the vacuum there, which will suck the syringe to empty fast if you don't slow it down.

  • @travgreen
    @travgreen Před 12 dny +1

    I may have missed it but did you go over what would happen if you ceased HCG monotherapy after some time? Would you return to baseline or end up below baseline?

  • @bigslick9110
    @bigslick9110 Před 16 dny +1

    Is there any chance to reverse testicular atrophy if you are on a long cycle and never planning to come off? Haven't used Hcg on cycle

  • @alloushalarico19
    @alloushalarico19 Před 16 dny +2

    Bravo

  • @JoshuaKevinPerry
    @JoshuaKevinPerry Před 16 dny +7

    Functional ball strength

  • @Answeriz42
    @Answeriz42 Před 5 hodinami +1

    Hey Steve, minor correction: at 38:05 you say only an extra 51ng/dl total testosterone, but 5.1ng/ml is 510ng/dl.

  • @sphinctoralcontrol
    @sphinctoralcontrol Před 16 dny +2

    Steve you’ve added FSH and/or HMG right?
    Time will still tell but I read a thread on r/steroids where their mod, who I think is a pharmacist by profession, recommended no longer than 12 days of HMG before going to HCG, and I haven’t been able to figure out the reasoning for that claim at all - any idea?
    If I recall correctly I started at 600iu HMG EOD for 12 days and now am using 1000iu of HCG (Bayer Zydus) EOD.
    Wife and I have been trying to conceive (and this protocol has been running) for about 4-6 months where I’d been on 210mg test and no fertility support for about two years. Still taking ~140mg as a cruise dose, wonder if I’m better served sourcing rFSH, more HMG (as I don’t have any sertoli cell signaling atm with HCG), or doing a full PCT.
    You heard anything like this, where HMG shouldn’t be ran long term? He wasn’t confusing it with triptorelin or anything either.

    • @Isaacdagoat868
      @Isaacdagoat868 Před 16 dny +2

      rFSH would definitely be better than hmg

    • @AnxiousCowboy
      @AnxiousCowboy Před 16 dny

      I forget why but I’m pretty sure VS said he didn’t see results from HMG which is why we was running recum. FSH with HCG for fertility cycle

  • @Riggy2201
    @Riggy2201 Před 12 dny +1

    I started monotherapy 3 weeks ago 500IU 3x a week. Due to test levels as low as 8.6nmol/l and poor morphology/low motility sperms. I have a varicocele developed on my left nut, due to an accident in '98 with a tent pole. Ouch. No subjective response yet. First bloods next week. Dr suggested 6 months to see changes and also suggested clomid starting next month for a double effect. I hear about overstimulation/desensitization etc. but he dismissed/downplayed it. We don't have any timeline for stopping the treatment should it prove effective.

  • @ashleytaylor994
    @ashleytaylor994 Před 12 dny +2

    Do we use the HCG indefinitely while on TRT?

  • @jamesq2132
    @jamesq2132 Před 16 dny +1

    Great video Steve. Does anyone else suffer from ED when bringing HCG into the mix? Everytime I've tried to add HCG (and again currently due to trying to regain fertility) it always negatively affects EQ? Also its not E2 related as that's been in range and also happens when micro dose AI is introduced. It's something to do with the HCG and not sure why 🤷‍♂️

  • @knwoledgeispower
    @knwoledgeispower Před 16 dny +2

    what are your thoughts on hcg plus proviron for fertility?

  • @Chris-zi4mo
    @Chris-zi4mo Před 15 dny +1

    This is all amazing but being in the UK I don't even know where to begin in terms of acquiring this kind of stuff, it's bloody frustrating!

  • @Saphire_Throated_Carpenter_Ant

    My Dr just told me the other day no more HCG in my state due to new regulations. Also no more Decca or Anavar.

  • @markvillagomez8209
    @markvillagomez8209 Před 16 dny +1

    @VigorousSteve great video! Can’t wait for the follow up so we can get jacked and have kids still.

  • @emmetg888
    @emmetg888 Před 15 dny +1

    And that's why I'm back on trt..and then some! And Grins 😂😂😂
    Great video, I've recently added HMG with my HCG can you express your thoughts on HMG if you can thanks steve

  • @nodarikhubuluri4017
    @nodarikhubuluri4017 Před 10 dny +1

    what about freezing HCG when we have access to Sodium Chloride ? will it work too ?

  • @LowKeyStatus
    @LowKeyStatus Před 12 dny +1

    16:28 wait I’m confused. I thought you said hcg in Thailand was garbage. What is it then Steve?

  • @RichardsWorld
    @RichardsWorld Před 14 dny +1

    If you have a lot of HCG start with your 250IU, after week two step it up higher, to perhaps 400IU, after 3 weeks 500IU.

  • @keekbake7756
    @keekbake7756 Před 16 dny +1

    Ur doing any event in Holland?

  • @chicanoinparadise
    @chicanoinparadise Před 12 dny +1

    I got my hands on some sustain hcg made in Germany. Anybody have an experience with that? Thanks yall.

  • @zottekerel69
    @zottekerel69 Před 15 dny +1

    If air is what degrades the hcg, I would assume if you put it in a 3ml humalog cartridge and load it in an insulin pen, it should stay good a lot longer since no air is added when you use it.

  • @marshallsaltzman9924
    @marshallsaltzman9924 Před 15 dny +1

    I use 12 mg test cyp with 100 iu if hcg ED. It sounds wild but if I bump the hcg up another 25 iu ed, or the test by another 1 mg ed, the side effects start creeping in
    I was secondary hypo so I suspect the hcg may be doing some heavy lifting

  • @nickadz5490
    @nickadz5490 Před 16 dny +1

    Crusing on high test ... added hcg 500iu eod .. broke my shoulders out within 2 weeks ..😢 had to drop it

  • @kenpe1455
    @kenpe1455 Před 16 dny +2

    Bro when you going to make a pfs recovery protocol video update? You seen Russo's recovery video?

    • @AnxiousCowboy
      @AnxiousCowboy Před 16 dny

      Russo’s content is sus af

    • @kenpe1455
      @kenpe1455 Před 15 dny

      @@AnxiousCowboy why? He documented everything

  • @tugitime
    @tugitime Před 15 dny +2

    What is the short answer for keeping healthy fertility on trt?

  • @jmcarp98
    @jmcarp98 Před 16 dny +3

    What’s the shelf life after opening a bottle and keeping it in the fridge. My TRT clinic says 6 months but I always thought 60 days.

    • @schleybailey
      @schleybailey Před 16 dny +2

      Sometimes as little as two weeks!

    • @bigzachful
      @bigzachful Před 16 dny +1

      I don’t trust it after 30 days

    • @AnxiousCowboy
      @AnxiousCowboy Před 16 dny

      I asked this two live chats ago… 2 weeks for vials where oxygen is introduced.. longer if in a pen that dispenses without interesting oxygen

  • @hkondabeatz8203
    @hkondabeatz8203 Před 16 dny +1

    Is there anything natural that can be used for HCG

  • @tylerrohn6938
    @tylerrohn6938 Před 15 dny +2

    I wasn’t going to use HCG until I found out I get to inject prego pee into my body

  • @mattepton5731
    @mattepton5731 Před 16 dny +2

    Gotta keep em grab-able Coach Steve! , well, I guess you don’t but…🤷‍♂️😎

  • @ThinkTwice2222
    @ThinkTwice2222 Před 15 dny +2

    Is there a difference between R-HUCOG and ovitrelle?

  • @elijahp.3720
    @elijahp.3720 Před 16 dny +1

    My wife is pregnant and I haven't been able to figure out how to sell her urine to a lab. Can anybody help?

  • @YoutubeLoves2Cenosor
    @YoutubeLoves2Cenosor Před 16 dny +2

    lookin full god damn

  • @Rico_MC
    @Rico_MC Před 15 dny +1

    45:00 Can we freeze FSH too ?

  • @ThinkTwice2222
    @ThinkTwice2222 Před 16 dny +3

    HMG > HCG, but does adding an AI along with FSH make the HCG redundant?

    • @Isaacdagoat868
      @Isaacdagoat868 Před 6 dny

      No hcg > hmg, hmg isn’t as effective in the studies, so it would be better to combine HCG with HMG or better yet use HCG with rFSH

  • @dumnbuger
    @dumnbuger Před 16 dny +2

    Steve is it too late to use HCG ever years after blasting gear?

    • @JJOV00
      @JJOV00 Před 16 dny

      it's never too late to try, I think you'll succeed fully. lol

  • @niccodemarini7480
    @niccodemarini7480 Před 16 dny +4

    Well everyone in the sauna is highly suspicious of what I’m watching now 😂Lol

  • @deanw5712
    @deanw5712 Před 15 dny +1

    Bit of an odd cass here, curently infertile, wanting to take hcg for all its other benefits but dont want fertility to come back. Is this possible or too risky?

    • @user-mh6kb6eu7s
      @user-mh6kb6eu7s Před 13 dny

      If your snipped, you got no worries

    • @deanw5712
      @deanw5712 Před 13 dny

      @@user-mh6kb6eu7s I don't wanna have anything snipped 😂

  • @ThinkTwice2222
    @ThinkTwice2222 Před 15 dny +3

    Can I replace FSH for HMG?

    • @emmetg888
      @emmetg888 Před 15 dny

      That's what I've been doing supplementint with hcg and hmg.