WTF Happened to Dogma?
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- čas přidán 14. 02. 2023
- One of director Kevin Smith’s most beloved - but also controversial - movies, Dogma, has seemingly vanished. The film, which remains his highest-grossing domestic release (by just a few hundred thousand dollars), was a considerable DVD hit back in the day, noted for its wildly un-PC commentary track where, amongst other things, Kevin Smith took aim at the film’s leading lady, Linda Fiorentino. It got a Blu-ray release, which is now out of print, but ever since then the film has been MIA, with it long unavailable on streaming, while old copies of the film cost a pretty penny if you can find them used. WTF Happened?
In this episode of WTF Happened to this Movie, we dig into all things Dogma. We explain how the film was a religious hot potato that the Disney-owned Miramax films refused to release theatrically, leading to the Weinstein Brothers, Harvey and Bob, buying back the rights themselves, which they still control. With Harvey likely behind bars the rest of his life, no one involved with the film wants him to profit from an eventual re-release, so this one is likely to stay buried for years to come, making it a movie that, for the time being, has gone underground. In the end, this might be a cool fate for a movie that was always pretty edgy and remains one of Smith’s most ambitious efforts.
In this episode, which is written by Bryan Wolford, edited by Cesar Gabriel and narrated by Mathew Plale, we also dig into how Smith assembled a dream cast that included Ben Affleck, Matt Damon, Salma Hayek, Chris Rock, Alan Rickman, and even Alanis Morissette (as God) in a film that the Catholic Church once deemed an attack, but seems almost quaint and inoffensive nearly a quarter century later.
Do you think Dogma hold up? Should it be re-released even if Weinstein profits from it? Let us know in the comments!
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This movie...is the prime example for WHY physical media is so important and why Streaming isn't the true future. Because...they can turn off the Streaming spigot at any time and for any reason. However, they cannot, at any time, stop you from watching your DvD or Bluray (or VHS, Laser Disc, VCD, etc.)
At one time I did have a copy of it on DVD but I'm not sure if I still do. Need to dig through my collection and find out.
Michael, is that you?
That's exactly why I still buy my favorite movies on DVD or Blu-ray
Kind-of. Physical games sometimes come with a limited number of keys you can use so if you get new computers you run out of them and the disc becomes worthless.
I hate how some streaming services, like Disney+ specifically, put certain shows that you need to watch to keep up with movies I can buy in DVD behind a monthly pay wall.
This is still one of my favorite Smith movies. It’s equal parts hilarious and thought provoking.
George Carlin and buddy Jesus
The writing and pacing is shit lol. And the lead actress character is kinda useless. And I'm a Smith fan and Atheist.
Amazing movie
Dogma is probably Kevin Smith's most well-rounded film. It's a distillation of Smith's best qualities as a screenwriter, which unfortunately hasn't been built upon since.
It's my favorite
Alan Rickman being iconic as always.
Alan Rickman 😪😪
From what many have said, he was a genuinely nice guy.
It’s still one of my all time favorite movies. It has such an all-star cast. I found a copy of “Dogma” in a second hand store. It’s one of prized movies.
Amen!
It's one of mine too.
It’s a bag of shiiiiite
I got a bootleg copy before the Weinstein debacle but I watch it on Pluto tv all the time!
I found it in a second hand store to
Suddenly grateful that I still have all my DVDs from the 1990s on...
I lost a ton of mine to my ex.
Man. Kevin talking to the reporter is the most badassery ever.
Right! That part cracked me up.
That's Master Level Troll shit right there. He's a genius
Dogma is right up there with the original Clerks as one of Kevin Smith's best films.
I didn't realize the physical releases were out of print. I still have my 2-disk deluxe edition that I got signed by Kevin Smith at a convention back in 2004 or 2005 (it was the same year Clerks 2 came out), when I was in college. He also did one of his legendary Q&A sessions at that convention. I'll always remember this opening joke he made, where he said Wisconsin (where the con was located) was basically the Canada of the 50 states.
Consider it a compliment. Kev loves Canada. He filmed several episodes of the "Flash" in Vancouver and is a huge Hockey fan
I was lucky enough to get a copy on DVD years ago
You could probably sell that for hundreds
@@IronPsyde Never I was to lucky to find it
Same here. My sister got me the VHS for Christmas a few years after it came out because she knew I liked Kevin Smith movies. I never opened it up to watch it, not even once. I already saw it in the theater when it came out and it did show on cable over the years. Would opening it up and playing it ruin the value if it's a collector's item? =/
When Rock learned that they first offered the part to will Smith it must have been like a slap in the face 😉🤣
Haha I see what you did there
"Didn't wanna piss that rickman dude"
Words to live by
It also ends with one of the most beautiful Alanis Morissette songs of all time. I love this film x
Totally!
This is still one of my favourite comedy movies. Such a great cast and hilarious story!
George Carlin was excited to be in a big film project for the first time. You can tell he was having a ball with his performance.
Bill and Ted ?
It was far from his first time in a big film.
😮💄🤷🏻♂️📻Ohhh
How excited? Half nude Buffalo Bill dancing to Goodbye Horses excited, or Jay recreating the scene excited?
When you're older you'll be ready to accept Dogma into your life over your excellent adventure @@bigcsp-oldschoolgamer6152
He's was Rufus in Billl&Ted in the early 90s sure
The scene where they kill the poop monster with a tiny breath spray is crazy but made hilarious when we find out the label on the spray reads "kills bad odors" (or something like that).
I find it weird that the Excremental ("poop monster") was called hells assassin when it's presence was smelled over ten feet away. It seems it would be real difficult to assassinate someone if they could smell you before you attacked.
Just saying
XD
Man, what a perfectly timed episode. I was trying to find Dogma on streaming services and was confused on why I couldn't find it.
I’m so thankful that several years ago my wife and I found a Blu-ray copy of Dogma and bought it right away. It’s probably the rarest Blu-ray I own, and as a bonus we got the case signed by Jason Mewes when we went to see him on his stand up comedy tour.
Thank you for the love for Dogma as it was one of the first movies that made me dig headier movies
Jay's rants were absolutely hysterical in this movie ..easily my favorite Jason mewes performance
Last I checked a few months ago there was still a full upload available here on CZcams from a random person. Good quality too. 👌 I thankfully still have my special edition 2 disc DVD set. 🙏 Praise Buddy Christ and George Carlin... "Doesn't he kinda, pop?!" 🤣
Sheeesshhhh
The Jesus giving you the thumbs up and a wink and smile does Pop!
This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by STK, LLc
@@Irish381 damn straight he does!
@@charlesgirard268 goddamn bitch bastards...
My grandma hated this movie so much but I loved it when we watched it back then lmao as soon as she saw the Jesus statue giving the thumbs she was done lol I love this movie so much that I still have the Dogma 2 disc special edition on DVD. Such a damn good movie.
I've always wanted a Buddy Christ. It just seems like the perfect example of what a genuinely good Jesus would be like
Always thought this was an underrated movie. Some people may have taken it too seriously. It is a comedy, not a documentary.
@Driftwannabe 10 yeah, me too.
It's a comedy, but it made a really good point about the depiction of Jesus Christ.
Why showing him on the cross instead of smiling and showing the love he's associated with?
I know why they use the cross, to remind people he died for them, but I don't think it's the best way to remember and represent him.
Cheers from France! 🍻
@Driftwannabe 10 Thanks mate 🤘
This film badly needs a sequel! Loved it as a kid. Enjoyed it more as an adult 😆
Na it's perfect , doesn't need a sequel
@@vampirascoffin870Agreed, no sequel needed. Just look at how many garbage sequels exist. Dogma is great as a stand-alone movie.
They would never make a movie like this today anyway to many snowflakes would cry about it
it does,but sadly the sexual predator harvey weinstein owns it.
Trips me out how hard it was to get a copy of this on dvd. When I tell you the joy my heart felt when my fingers touched this very copy was like re-living a teenage memory in actual time. The equivalent must've been how Dave Chappelle felt in Half/Baked holding that pound of weed on the way.
I got lucky and thrifted it
@@Meimisaki2001 same. 5 bucks
Pawn shops/Thrift stores are blessings in disguises
Wow, I did not know about the current unavailability of this movie on home or streaming media, and that's mostly because I've not had to look for it since I got the double-disc, special collector's edition of the movie back in the early 2000s when it was available on DVD, which of course I still have. One of my favorite things about having the DVD is the provided outtakes/deleted scenes, specifically the deleted scene of when Azreal (Jason Lee) describes Hell in further detail to Bethany (Linda Florentino.)
No big deal, its wildly available on Bittorrent networks
I have that same DVD, and I even got it autographed at a convention back in the day. I, too, did not realize it was so rare these days.
its on youtube. czcams.com/video/7ZVEe_5Fo1Q/video.html
czcams.com/video/7ZVEe_5Fo1Q/video.html
Aye, I've been a lifelong Kevin Smith fan. And Dogma is one of his films I go back to year after year. It's one of my favorites in the Viewaskew Universe. Red State and Tusk are my favorites.
Smith said no one can find this movie for sale or streaming because HW still owns it and would not sell Smith back his own movie. Smith says he didn't mind paying for it because all of the money would go to HW's victims.
That movie is Kevin's finest work
"Dogma" is one of the few Kevin Smith movies that doesn't feel juvenile. It has juvenile characters (Jay) and elements (shit monster), but they don't take center stage like they do in the Clerks movies.
This was one of those whats this? And turned out to be, this was awesome. And thanks to this, I just found the DVD at my local library, so its on hold right now.
It's been uploaded to CZcams a few times I love this flick so much more ppl need to see it!!
Dogma is great. Back in my pre/early teens I would watch several vhs movies over and over on my 13" tv vhs player combo set. Dogma was one of those movies.
After watching this video, I could have sworn that I had a copy of the Dogma DVD, so I checked. Indeed I do. A Kevin Smith-signed copy, no less.
Score!
Great movie, still have my original DVD from the 00's with Widescreen on one side and Full on the reverse, remember those?
I'm so glad I still have my DVD of it. I actually rewatched it not too long ago
Awesomeness!! 😎 Anything Kevin Smith Does Is Just Awesome!! 👌✊👍👊🍁♈
Man I love this movie. I'm so lucky to have found a used copy of the DVD for dirt cheap. I'm not a huge Smith fan, but this one slaps.
I agree, it is actually my favorite Kevin Smith film, have watched it several times. Great cast of actors!
i had this movie on VHS in college. thankfully, many... many... years later i was able to get a digital copy of it online. Dogma and Chasing Amy.
The executive " massacre " scene is easily one of my favorite parts
You didn’t say, “God bless you” 🔫
Thankfully I still have my DVD. Love this film.
Same here and thank god
Will watch it any time I see it on CZcams
Dogma is one of my all time favorite movies! I love that film so much!
I am a huge Kevin Smith fan!
I was lucky enough that, through my boyfriend at the time, I saw Clerks when it first came out on video. And that is also a huge favorite movie of mine. I'm happy that I was part of the generation that these films spoke to.
So glad I still have this on DVD.
14:22 “Someday, hopefully, someday…” 😂
Totally missed the "Lady Abigail" cameo as the nun wearing the habit- that's some quality content right there! Also, not surprised to learn that there was tension between Kevin Smith and Linda Fiorentino. I'm a bit of an empath, and I could just tell she was not having a good time the whole movie. How much better would Joey Lauren Adams or Janeane Garofalo have been in the lead role?
I missed the Aberlin cameo too, but knew I knew her from somewhere. The film was mostly shot in Pittsburgh so it makes sense. Imagine if Smith could have gotten Mr. Rogers.
Thankfully I found a perfect video on CZcams of the entire movie! We enjoyed it very much 👿
It’s crazy how much the Blu-Ray is worth. Still have mine. Love the flick.
you got the Blu-Ray? Nice. I've got the "collector's edition" double disc DVD(s).
How much is the bluray worth, I have it?
Buddy Christ bless the brave CZcamsrs who keep posting the full film on YT.
So happy I bought this on DVD when I have a chance I heard it’s pretty hard to find nowadays.. and I believe there Will not be a digital release because of the Weinstein connection
I love Dogma! I still have the DVD. I didnt know it had went out of circulation.
It's always uploaded here on YT NY one channel or another before it's removed. I just checked it's there for anyone wabting to watch it
I had it on VHS. I have no idea what happened to it. Dogma is hands down my favorite K.S. movie. Me and my friends still quote it.
I remember in high school spending many study halls reading the early leaked script I had printed off.
Classic. Glad I have the DVD.🙌😇
I didn't realize that my physical copy of Dogma is a rarity. I'll have to give it a fresh viewing.
Dogma is in a league all of its own. Extraordinary. Dogma II please.
It can be found streaming on several sites, so don't despair. What I've always wondered about was, Why No Sequel?!? What happened to Bethany's daughter?
This makes me look at my 2 disk special addition DVD copy that I own in a whole new light!
I still have this on VHS, now all I need is a VCR
I used to love this movie, but I gotta admit, it hasn't aged well. Knowing that it's become a rare find, I'll cherish my DVD copy. 😁
I’ve still never watched clerks but I love Dogma and Mallrats. I watched dogma again a few years ago I found it on CZcams actually
It's right here on CZcams!
It's one of those movies you gotta watch.... any way you can!
I honestly don't recall how i even watched this movie the first time. A fantastic movie for sure
We always have VHS for copies for this movie...those of us who watched it...will NEVER forget about it...
I like this film. Only watched it last year. Sad that this isn’t available on streaming services or easy to buy a physical copy of. However you may still be able to watch it on a very popular website i know you use all the time 😉.
I worked as an extra in this movie I got paid 50 bucks for the day and we had access to the food about it but it was still awesome to be there. Sad thing is I got edited out I was in the church crowd at the end of the movie.
That must've been such a cool experience. Did you get to meet any of the actors?
@@jmarx3943 not really just saw them from a distance, but I did meet Kevin Smith and he signed a copy of Daredevil (that he wrote) for me and was super cool and down to earth
This is one of my favorites. It's a go-to flick when nothing recent hits the spot. I don't think this film would fly now, let alone be made. Incredible casting choices in this. Even the small role of God was surprising and wonderful.
I’m glad I got all my Kevin Smith DVDs saved and signed by the man himself. Dogma included.
I love the movie, I truly didn't know there was alot of issues making the movie, but still till this day a fan of the movie 🙏🎓💪👍😲
I have a DVD of Dogma and it is the go to Christmas movie, everyone comes over to get their fix.
I fortunately still have a working VCR and Dogma on VHS.
So happy to have this on DVD 📀 🙂
I actually ran across a copy of this at a flea market for a dollar and bought it up. Didn’t know it was out of print though
I love Dogma! I bought a copy years ago. Glad I did now.
13:00 it's free to watch right here on youtube from a couple different channels.
I've used the religious sledgehammer of an argument in the beginning many times . Gold.
One of those movies that slapped my atheist ass right in the face when it landed. I loved it. George Carlin was such an impeccable move. That killed me.
The gore and humour the story in general...Great watch.
Ive only ever seen it twice. This has just reminded me to go download it. Thanks!
I actually saw this one in the theater 3 times and have the dvd around here somewhere…
It's the first I heard of it being out of circulation. I'm good though, I have the 2 DVD set with Kevin Smith's autograph on it.
I love the thought of Alan Rickman loving Chasing Amy.
I own the special edition DVD. It's probably my favourite Alan Rickman film. I'm sad that it's not on streaming services, but I'm so glad I own it myself. Dogma is also my favourite of all Smith's films.
Great Movie. Still holds up.
So glad I have the Blu-ray
I love this movie. It is the prize of my DVD collection... as well as "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back!" As a Catholic-raised filmmaker, I understand the cojones it took to make this.
My dog's name is Bartleby. I wanted a second dog to name Loki but my wife poopoo'd that idea.
You can stumble upon this film here on YT for free.
Kevin even pointed out a recent 4K upload that someone put up in the last year on numerous interviews as the copy his family watches, "because F* That Guy."
I remember when it came out in theatres, I wanted to see it but nobody seemed interested as it seemed too religious and it went out of theatres very quickly in maybe two or three weeks. Finally saw it on video and I loved it. It's my favorite KS movie.
Dogma is one of my favorite films of all time. I consider it Kevin Smith’s finest work.
Thank GOD this filml is available on youtube. GREAT FLICK. I was BAWLING at the end. Yeah, just YEAH.
Great flick! 🍻
Does dogma have a 4k print out?
I’ve been looking for this movie! I have it but noting to play it on. 😢
You should shine light on "Earth 2" the t.v. series. It's a wonderful show that much like "Space Above And Beyond" didn't get the recognition it deserved.
What are you talking about? The DVD is readily available on Amazon.
Dogma and life of Brian are my favorite biblical comedies
The whole movie is under this video in my feed.
Dogma is such a great movie... I'm tempted to watch it during movie night in my Discord now :)
This film is superb and so underrated. It’s actually very clever and the fact it has George Carlin in it makes it’s even better.
Totally underrated I can’t state this enough, actually it’s my favourite Smith film.
Brought my grandpa to see this in the theater because he hated the Catholic Church. He did chuckle at the mockery of it all.