Why These People Never Change... | Supersize Vs Superskinny
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- čas přidán 10. 06. 2024
- Christina, Marie, and Diana are all unable to change their behaviour and unhealthy eating habits. But why?
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Today we're discussing the show Supersize Vs Superskinny - and three major characteristics that essentially guarantee someone will not succeed at behaviour change.
00:00 - Intro
00:40 - Christina’s Story
02:48 - Marie’s Story
05:48- Diana's Story
9:00 - How To Change Your Behaviour - My Guide!
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This show, especially the seasons where they visit Americans, is what finally got me to take weightloss seriously years ago. I was 320 lbs at 23 and gaining every year. The 500-600 lbs people described how they got there (a little every year) and it sounded exactly like my life. I couldn't think "oh that's not me though, I'm not that bad" because it was me, just 10 years in the future. I think it was the first time I thought of myself in the future instead of in the present. (edit: I've lost over 100 lbs since then, for those wondering. 😊) This show has probably (hopefully) helped a lot of people watching it, with the "shock therapy" aspect of it.
i'm glad it helped you. I feel somewhere it helped me as well, although it wasn't as bad for me- I was around 15 kgs more than my ideal weight- but nonetheless it did give me a push.
I'm glad it helped you but I can't agree. People with eating disorders love to watch this show over and over again to feed their disorder, me included
Why would a diabetic be drinking normal soda?? It’s making me cringe 😬! Yikes no wonder her wounds are not healing, high blood sugar plus obesity plus endovascular injury plus possible nerve damage!! She will die soon if she doesn’t change, as a type 1 diabetic most of us do not last very long eating like that!
It helped me so, so much as someone who started close to 300 and has not gotten down to the 180s. It helped me start to think long term and not just immediate gratification.
@@alixvs with all due respect, that is the responsibility of yourself and others with ED to seek help, not the show.
This is what frustrates me about these stories and shows like Hoarders et cet. By the time there's intervention, most (not all) the people featured are senior citizens with DECADES of this behavior behind them. It's statistically way waaay harder to address the problem at that point. You have to get them when they're young.
Actually the main contestants are more often fairly young adults
Many of the issues do not arise until you are older. When I was a rape and cries counselor, I was shocked that many people did not even realize what happened to them was a sexual assault or traumatic in some way. They minimize it to get through life. So when life is past the half way mark, the cracks often begin to show, not when you are young. So, YES, you are correct it is much easier to make changes the sooner you discover you have a problem, but often times that unfortunately does not come until late in life.
Jo Jo u obviously never watched this show... Most of the people in show are under 40
@@thedoctress6440 Not that Ive seen. The only really young folks on weight loss shows Ive noticed is 600 lbs life.
@@lauraanne5175 This is a deep issue and Im not going to respond because I feel like its getting into conflating two different points. Again, significant weight gain that goes on for decades is much more easily addressed before it becomes as decades old habit. Without getting into abuse, I think its safe to assume most people can recognize a trend of weight gain in themselves -whatever the cause.
In my opinion as someone who has personally went through this- Marie seems like she has Orthorexia. Something not a lot of people know about or acknowledge. I’d love to have more people shed light on this subject because like her, I thought because I was “healthy” that everything was okay
It’s a term that’s thrown around but it’s not actually an official diagnosis yet. Could probably become one. There’s a lot of different EDs than just anorexia or bulimia although they’re not as widely spoke about
Yes, it is not well known... pretty sure my sister had this. After many years she's doing better.
@@jenhasken yeah- I see a lot of EDs that don’t quite fit the mold be labeled as EDNOS or ARFID. Sometimes getting that labeled diagnosis can help, but it’s all in treating the actual present symptoms, in my opinion. Orthorexia is more regarded socially than by the actual DSM-5
it was the 27 almonds that did it for me....reminded me of me
There’s a lotta “fitness influencers” who r PROUD of this insisting they don’t have a problem & enjoy nitpicking at/are OBSESSED w/overweight ppl
as a person who's been struggling with depression for years, I can tell you that wanting to live is taken for granted way too often.
for a healthy person it may seem super weird, but when you struggle with depression, you see death as a sweet release rather than a horrible event.
so, if you lowkey hate your life and would rather die sooner than later, why change your life for the "better"?
But then that gets me thinking why they don't commit suicide? They're willing to extend their life, and their pain, for as long as possible so why don't they just end it quickly? I think that's because they don't really want to die. They either can't be bothered to change, because they don't want to put in the effort, and want someone else to do the leg work for them, or, they're hoping something miraculous would happen to them. Essentially, it seems like inaction is their main problem.
Yup, that’s it. If you are miserable then why would you want to prolong it AND stop doing things that give you a lil bit of dopamine? (Food drugs alcohol etc)
For a depressed person it sounds like the worst scenario: no coping mechanisms and dragging their misery.
This. And also the viscous cycle of having a bad diet/lifestyle which can then exacerbate the existing depression and make it worse and worse
I feel this. The only reason I don't end it is because I don't want to hurt the people around me, if that wqsnt the case I would have stopped being here a long time ago.
Yeah the last lady really reminded me of how i feel and how ive felt. Now im not a doctor but she definetly has some type of depression
The problem Marie has is that she eats a lot of nutrient density but not a lot of calories. She is still strong. She is just like those HAES people who say “I’m healthy I do yoga every day!”
Arguably its not nutrient dense at all, its just a crapton of fiber. No real proteins, no real fats...
It’s a kind of OCD related to food. She sees most food as “bad” and so limits herself so that she’s barely eating anything
@@Cybele1986 I think that's called orthorexia
@@BluQuill18 it is
Yeah she needs to up her calories. Like not meticulously measure it all out esp with how active she is
I REMEMBER Marie. The entire episode, I was wondering if she had an eating disorder because she kept talking about whole foods and eating the oatmeal to feel full.
'whole foods' is just a marketing gimmick to sell garbage food to idi ots.
She very likely has orthorexia (obsessive "clean" eating)
I can imagine there is something in the bushes. Her reaction at the end weigh-in Made that clear for me.
she probably has orthorexia (which isn't an official DSM diagnosis yet, but it widely recognised as an independent eating disorder) which is classified by an obsession with "clean" eating. Marie was fixated on eating food classes as "healthy" above all else and seemed genuinely afraid of foods outside of that narrow category
Simple bulimia.
Marie is definitely orthorexic. The exact counting of food and fear of things like white bread, and her belief that her diet isn't bad because it's all healthy and whole food, are stark signs of orthorexia. Orthorexia is not as well known as bulimia, anorexia, and binge-eating disorder (something that also probably isn't taking as seriously as the first two, but I digress) but it has the same restrictive properties as anorexia, though it focuses on eliminating all "unsafe" foods rather than just calorie counting (although anorexia and orthorexia can work dangerously side by side.)
It’s not been described in the DSM yet, but it’s just a matter of time imo. Heavily influenced by Instagram influencers, its prevalent will only grow.
I have finally beaten anorexia, but when I had it, this was basically what it was like. I didn’t let myself eat much, but I wouldn’t eat good things for my body like an orthorexic individual would. I feel for this lady.
You got a good reason to fear white bread. All she needs is to eat more meat.
@@GabrielAKAFinn what’s wrong with white bread? Lmao
She is actually right about white bread being garbage. The problem is being apparently vegan influenced. A little bit of wild salmon and salmon roe, oysters, and mussels would do some real good. And once month, some liver.
I commented on a Tammy Vs Chris video you did last year, crediting you with helping me get out of the HAES movement and onto a weight loss journey. At the time I'd lost 40lbs. I just wanted to share that, as of literally yesterday, I just hit 100lbs lost! I still have another 106lbs to go to get to my goal, but I'm nearly halfway now, and I still love coming to your videos for information and motivation. Thank you! (PS I love your hair!)
Daaaaaamn, Laura! Well done.
go you, that's amazing!!
Omg, congratulations! You're worked hard and got those results. You're awesome!
100lbs is incredible! Way to go Laura!!!
@@KianaDocherty Thank you so much!!! Literally it was your Tess Holiday video that did it. I showed it to my parents recently and they loved it (but they were horrified by the movement in general and super happy I left it because of your video!). I'm still entertained by the fact that I originally came to that video to hate watch it, and ended up becoming a huge fan of yours instead (and on a weight loss journey that has probably saved years of my life!!) So thank you again!!!
The was a girl named Lauren who appeared as the supersize contestant in one pairing, being 500lbs & the heaviest person ever on the show. She later died at 21yrs old from a massive heart attack, leaving behind her young child. That's why the fat acceptance nonsense needs to stop - yes, some may be perfectly fine at huge weights, but then you have people like Lauren.
"Some people"
Unless you're a sumo wrestler, not really
@@OatmealTheCrazy they mean some people who make it to their 40's and 50's maybe longer not ones that drop at 21
Well obviously the heart attack has to be massive to defeat a 500 pound person
Reseach has proven time and time again that there is no such thing as "fat but fit". Obese people WILL get sick, it is just a matter of when.
@@tristantries9211 those people are still in horrible health and live in agony. Barely being able to walk is not good living.
I think another mindset which can be really detrimental is procrastination. There was a period of my life where I gained a lot of weight but I kept thinking "I know what to do to get back in shape but now it's not the moment for xyz reason".
I recognised the problem, I knew I could solve it but it was in fact me being too sure of myself that made me procrastinate.
In the end I finally decided to act and I have my weight back under control but I made the process much harder that it needed to be had I acted sooner
Lol, that's me.
what was the pivotal point? Was it an emotion? An idea? A thought? What did you see, feel or think that pushed you at that ONE moment of change?
@@lauraanne5175 Developing sleep apnea due to my weight was a wake-up call. I knew I had never weighted more but having trouble sleeping messed up my concentration and everything else. After that moment I swore that once I finished with my exam session I would start a diet.
The only consolation is that having reached such a high weight my metabolism got back to normal after having destroyed it on crush diets. I used to diet at 1300kcal while now I can diet closer to 2000kcal.
@@francescovultaggio2540 A lot of people try to diet on too few calories and fuck themselves up. That has always been my fear at least!
It's also difficult to fully commit to the changes as a lifestyle and not a temporary diet, so I guess that's why I keep putting it off in favour of smaller more insignificant changes that barely keep me from gaining at least.
Exams are too damn stressful!
that's what got me really bad this winter too. "I'll do it when spring comes, it's cold" (granted, my roads were fully ice ;-; ). Spring is here and I can already feel the "but ma allergies!" excuse coming up. I think the trick is to find something you love to do to motivate yourself outside. In my case it's gardening, so even w the allergies I'll be moving around my yard as much as I can.
Food issues are sometimes just an act of self-destruction and self hatred. Like, the person who "doesn't want to change" is in my opinion someone who actually hates themselves and wants to punish themselves (consciously or subconsciously).
a person who sees no value or happiness in their future 🤚
Yep. "I'm not worthy of treating my body with respect"
Would you say this very same thing about a meth or heroin addict?
Sort of I threw in the towel when I couldn't stop gaining weight while exercising. Eating bad food often now. Was really angry with the diet my thyroid is very bad.
@@u2danny81 absolutely
And Marie's story is a good exmaple of how eating disorders can truly twist you perception of reality: she thinks that just because she picks rice over fries or whole-wheat over white bread, she's eating healthy. It's the most insidious part of the diet culture - this ensurance that eating right thing is always gonna work for everybody (think of how many times did you see a shitty 'salad vs McDonald's meal' comparisons which completely ignore anything beyond putting veggies against fat - no though for lifestyle, workload, price, accesibility, time...).
Absolutely! Severe restrictions can be just as damaging as binging, and the concept of switching straight from one to the other as many fad diets encourage is unhealthy and unreasonable. Making small steps and finding a happy medium, as well as focusing on nutrients and eating the right amount for you is the most sensible approach…and likely the easier one.
@@RubyBlueUwU Just as damaging? I don't know, she demonstrated even a level of athleticism. You see the 500 stone girl doing a handstand with her never-healing wound? If you're going to have an eating disorder, I say, go west of the scale.
@@GabrielAKAFinn ive suffered with anorexia and orthorexia for YEARS. i used to be obese prior to that, and i would never wish my eating disorder on anybody. it's an addiction and it's so disgusting and disrespectful to suggest that its "better" to be thin and frail and dying and malnourished JUST because you think thinner people can be more athletic and move around better. i have permanent joint pain because of my ED, obesity can leave people with similar damages.
@@gayfield420 I'm not thinking anything, I'm relating what was in the video. She's swimming laps and her problem could be easily solved with a fucking protein shake a day. When you're full chungus and lose the weight you still need years of surgery to get rid of the giant skin flaps, and most who "lose the weight" go from 300kg to a nice 100kg and still look and move like a garbage bag filled with gasoline. If you don't want to call it "better", then lets call it "least worse", suit yourself.
@@gayfield420 😆. Marie isn't "frail" because she's thin though. FFS get a grip! We're you watching the same video? She was swimming like a champ and doing handstands. Does that look like frailty to you?? Yes, she's underweight, but she could easily live another 30 years without many health problems compared to the fat pigs who don't care about it, don't even want to talk about it, and will not last 5 more years.
Have you seen 'Secret Eaters'? It's another british show where people, usually families, are steadily gaining weight or can't lose it, so they're put under surveillance 24/7 so they can see how much they're actually eating. I'd love to hear your opinion.
Secret Eaters rocks!
I used to secret eat a lot. Not sure, but it may have stemmed from my mom saying, "Are you sure you need to eat that?" to me when I was pre teen/teen ... so I started just eating when she wasn't looking. Not blaming her, I am in control of my own reactions, but interestingly - she now has dementia but she is still VERY conscious about food and "doesn't want to get fat." Her portion size is that of a five year old child, my caregiver sister has to struggle to get her to maintain and not lose.
definitely gotta do one on this lol
it's such a good show! I feel like that was a more accessible scenario for people closer to an average on the overweight/underweight ranges.
I loveee secret eaters! Honestly a much more helpful show than SS vs SS, though I love both.
David Smith's story is an interesting one and I think would be a pretty neat idea for a video. At 650 lbs, he lost 400, was a fitness celebrity for a while and then regained it all back and then some, now weighing over his initial 650 lbs. His journey is also fairly well documented so there's lots of content to go on. I'd really love to hear your thoughts on the psychology and inner workings of such cases.
oh woah
i looked up that case, it's extremely sad, what the hell
Sexual abuse as a child comes up so often in these addicts back stories, it's awful.
I know his sister Jennifer. Right now he has been in a rehab Center since 2020. He lost a good chunk of weight again but again is in that rehab facility. Arizona.
Great video idea, I'd definitely watch her video on that 👍
Sometimes I feel we "blame" and hate too much fat and obese people, and in the other hand pity and feel bad for anorexic or super skinny people... Both face the same problem: eating disorder. Compulsion on eating too much and controlling on eating too little. I sense sometimes even a difference in the voice, or in the discourse while explaining the conditions of fat people vs. skinny people.
Maria, for exemple, thinks she eats healthy and even tries to give tips to others, while she's not healthy, she's hurting herself, but it was talked lightly and almost pitifully about her condition. The other two were treated like stubborn women (in fact, the first one is), but are seen as like... "you're killing yourself/you're ruining your life" huh yeah, Maria is too but... She's a victim of eating disorders, while the other two are "purposely causing that to themselves". Idk if I could make a point, English is not my 1st language and I get so frustrated with this treatment...
3 months late but...i wanted to say i love your comment as someone who was both sides of the coin in eating disorders and weight. really unfair.
It's a good balance of compassion and the bitter truth that's important, as one girl I talked to online mentioned, and I find that her point is solid
Most people aren't this compassionate or insightful.
Fat people are addicts. Addicts lie. Gluttonous. Lack self control. Blame everyone else.
Anorexics have psychological issues, extreme self discipline, and don’t blame everyone else for their problems.
It’s easy to see why the two are treated differently.
It's because of human evolution. We are a tribal or group species that shares food within the tribe and subconsciously think that an obese person is hogging all the food while we think an emaciated person has no access to food.
Some people are just depressed. They neither love themselves nor their life. Why would they change anything?
They don't have to. If that is what they Really want and how they really like to be. But, they have to be brutally honest with themselves. Saying that "you" don't care, doesn't mean that you Really don't care. Very often it's a big lie. You do care, you even care very much, but you don't have strength and courage to make changes in your life. Because it is very, very hard. Making any changes in our routines, habits, weaknesses is extremely hard. It is much easier to lie to ourselves, and then to others. So, yes, it is completely ok to be however you like to be, but you must be painfully honest with yourself first.
I love this show, British people are so blunt and honest with each other it’s amazing
haha ikr
Right. Nothing like america. I don’t think they would of done anything with fat people for the sake of their “feelings”
I love it
it’s so interesting to hear what people think about us! Personally I’m not very blunt at all but it’s a funny part of English culture to act like that.
No they are not. Only on TV. In the real life, everyone is all about not upsetting others. That’s why there are a lot of overweight people in the UK (higher than the US by percentage), and only 4% less than the US in terms of obesity rate…
Marie is one of the reasons supersize vs superskinny should have someone else that has a normal healthy diet
But that wouldn't be so entertaining, would it now?
then it wouldn't show both sides, i mean obesity is a much bigger issue but anorexia isnt ideal either obviously
@@quinn.0 someone else besides the supersize and superskinny
@@Zeverinsen i think it could be because the show would be almost the same until the normal person appear after the 2 characters
@@quinn.0 both are as bad as each other without any varying degree.
Obesity begins and ends with mental health. Many people are stuck in their ways because it is a serious addiction. Obesity is an eating disorder and we should treat it with the same seriousness we treat other eating disorders and maybe even encourage rehabilitation centers for people who’s weight is so heavy that it’s detrimental to their health.
Life is about choices .
And , fat people can not clean themselves - - - they stink !
Bingo.
I really really feel the obeisgenic environment is more to blame. Hundreds of millions of Americans aren't fat because they have a mental disorder. Plus it's funny how this "mental disorder" seems to crop up wherever American fast food and eating habits take root. It's another way for the food industry to shift the blame individuals.
You totally got the point
Yes, but even rehab and detox treatments never work if the impetus for change doesn't come from within the person.
I moved to the USA at almost 250 pounds. Everyone to,d me, I’d gain weight here. But, I lost over 120 pounds and maintain around 126 pounds since two years.
I think , the shock, of seeing the massive price of obesity in this country shocked me so much, that I changed.
Congrats to your weight loss. I had a similar experience like you, although I didn't move to the USA. Instead I watched a very infamous youtuber who's morbidly obese and always has to take a shower because he can't wipe his butt anymore. When I realized that I barely managed to clean myself because I was that big, I was so shocked that I decided to lose weight. I lost 88 pounds within a year and I'm planning to lose another 88 pounds.
It's very personal experience, everyone reacts differently. Most often, migrants take their eating habits from home - they don't change.
But the next generations take more form the local eating habits.
And the fact that you have no free healthcare to save you if you get diabetes
I studied in the US, and I was able to maintain my weight too. Probably because I cook at home. I ate out too but not so much. It is all just personal responsibility.
@@holger_p I have seen that people tend to eat out more than cook at home. Maybe that is why? But I get it. Sometimes they don’t have time for that and some don’t know how to cook/lazy.
It's at least relieving that one show out there shows the depths of how being superskinny is also unhealthy and bad. Honestly, the "supersize" and the "superskinny" people seem to be suffering from the exact same thing, some sort of mental health pathology and addiction (whether that's addiction TO food or addiction to CONTROLLING-- aka limiting-- food intake).
I've watched probably every episode of supersize vs. superskinny and rewatched most episodes recently. There seem to be 2 main types of superskinnies on the show: A) Those who are afraid of food (sensory issues, eating disorders) and B) those who are not interested in food (low appetite, chronic depression). Most of them are category B) and substitute healthy meals with caffeine, sugar and fast food. Many of the supersizers seem to have depression, too, but with the opposite symptom (high appetite). In both cases it's a vicious circle because all the junk food, lack of fiber and antioxidant rich food might worsen the depression.
seethe, chonklet
Super skinny people are significantly less unhealthy then fat people.
It is far from optimal in terms of muscles and performance but calorie restriction actually extends lifespan
@Ärztin Shasta There is truth in this. I have been an overeater nearly all of my life. But I did have an anorexic episode in my teens. One day when I was 18, I walked past a sweet stall in the mall. And I remembered how nice jaffas taste. So I bought a small packet. The taste in my mouth is one of my most distinct memories, decades later. From that day I switched back to overeating. I have been on diets, lost and gained weight several times since, and every day is either one way or the other. Either wilful restriction or bingeing. Those who have a healthy relationship with food have no idea what it is like, how could they? It can feel that their is something I am grappling for but it is buried deep in my subconscious and I just can't reach it. I know I could stop, and be happy, if I could
Most of the super skinnies seemed to have abnormally low appetites.
Sometimes I wonder about the ethics of broadcasting people's struggles on TV, but the number of scared comments suggests that the real change is taking place in the audience.
Also, I'm excited to check out your behavior change guide!
This is such a great comment!
@@probablynot2123I second this
Good LORD! Diana is younger than I am (I'm 59) but she looks like she could be my mother. If I needed more, folks like this really keep me on the straight and narrow, to see what could be if I don't take care of myself. When you're our age, there is no leeway, no room for error.
A cousin of my DIL died of "covid" recently. She was obese, diabetic and 35yo. She looked 60+! I just couldn't believe that she was that young. Not all obese people look old but so many do.
I was also so shocked when I heard her age, I thought she was around 80! So sad. It definitely keeps me motivated to keep working on my healthy lifestyle.
Fat accelerates the pull on your skin's elasticity because of gravity. Everyone experiences this whether fat or slim, but being fat makes it a heck of a lot worse. That's why fat people looks so aged when they're not.
Kiana, I want to thank you so much for putting this information out in the world. Through watching your videos, I realized that I never believed in myself to make lasting changes. Learning about the cognitive and behavioral science behind lasting change has truly changed my life. I can honestly say I believe in myself for the first time ever. I’m 10 lbs down and have hit a plateau, but whereas in the past I would have viewed this bump as evidence that I’ll never be successful, I now know that I can make it through difficult and disappointing times while still making choices that support the healthy life I want. I feel positive about my goals for the first time and your videos have put me on this path. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
When I was at my heaviest (450+, my scale topped off at 450 so I don't know how much I actually weighed) I had a similar mindset. I was going to die, sooner rather than later, but hey at least I had pizza and pop. It seemed like a monumental impossibility to actually lose the severe amount of weight I had and so I just kept on piling it on because to do otherwise seemed like such an impossible task. Now that I'm pretty close to my goal weight I keep trying to figure out my old mindset. The extreme disregard for my well-being and the callous dismissal of my loved ones concerns seems entirely alien to me now. There were a ton of rock-bottom realizations, from me realizing that I wasn't bothering to save for retirement because I knew I was going to die well before then, realizing that at 34 I was well past the middle of my life, to my damn scale not functioning because I was too heavy. I think I reached too many breaking points at once, and where I could've gone further down the road of morbid acceptance, instead I'm now 60 pounds from my goal weight after two years of dieting. Over 170 pounds lost so far, and I've long since reached the state of lifestyle change over diet change.
So yeah, I get the morbid acceptance...But holy hell I'm so happy I got out of it.
Good for you man awesome
Wooohoooo! Congratulations and I’m sure your family appreciates the changes you’ve made and we are all proud of you! 👏👏👏💯💪
I wish I could get out of it too
@@JRA4891 Question your thoughts and beliefs about food,health etc with The Work of Byron Katie..You can find her on YT..
@@suehowie152 Thank you for the suggestion. Will look it up.
This mentality is so damaged and dangerous. The same mentality my ex husband has and let him to pass away some days ago. Cancer because of smoking and diabetes because he didn't care about what he eats. He was 48 my son lost his dad because of his selfish way of handle his health. He didn't wanted to change.
It's extremely frustrating to watch something like that happen with someone close to you. I hope you and your son can find peace in this.
I am sorry for your and your Sons loss. He should have cared, but he didn’t and that is very sad.
Oh my goodness, I am so sorry for you and your son having to lose him. I lost my grandfather last week (he'd had one triple and one quad bypass!?) for similar reasons, and now my brother seems to be going the same way, not acknowledging or wanting to change the fact that he is 150kg at fifteen, and only 5' 8". It's scary and sad and makes one feel hopeless and angry because they just don't respect or care about anything you say, because they "know better".
@@sophroniel same. My dad is pretty fat but he doesn’t know how to eat healthy. It makes me so mad because it’s not that hard to eat semi-healthy, but he always eats hella unhealthy. My mom and me are normal weights, but my little brother has such a big appetite and I’m worried he won’t be able to quit his habit of eating tons of junk food. We don’t even buy lots of junk food in our house. He goes and bikes on his own to the store just to get gummies and eats like crap when he’s hanging out with his friends
I’m sorry for your loss
I’m a recovering anorexic, and whenever I relapse, I binge (no pun intended) episodes of SSvSS. Weird thing is, I’m not alone; a brief look at the comments will show that almost half of the viewers are dealing with similar issues. Watching this show has been described as “ED Culture”.
Omg yes I did the same thing when I was deep in my ED
Same here!
I always watch shows like that when I relapse, and I would watch them regularly when I was at my worst hahah
I’ve seen a scary amount of comments saying “I think this show started my ED😅”
Yeah same here
I tried and failed losing weight probably 8 or so time over 6 years, finally been taken off 40 lbs and workout daily, whenever I feel like skipping the gym I watch a video like this to remind me what I could become by allowing myself back into that mindset.
I don't think she's "happy" with it. That's like saying a heroin addict is "happy" with being a junkie. They prefer the quick fix to the alternative. Even if that means they die
Especially if they die. They see no point in living, no higher motive and that is the root of their problem.
Perfectly said
If we’re going down that road most healthy people aren’t ‘happy’ with being healthy either. Most ‘healthy’ people just prefer being healthy to being fat. It doesn’t make them ‘happy.’
@@matthewvaughan8192 nah mate I'm super happy with being healthy. It's fun to do and it makes me feel good and look good
@@matthewvaughan8192 Agreed. Being healthy is a choice and the only way to be. Losing weight won’t make you happy, that’s also a choice.
Being so fat that you can’t bathe yourself and being a burden on our healthcare system is also a choice.
This is more than enough motivation for me to take my health seriously.
I'm currently at around 187 pounds, dropped down from 211. Whenever I am not motivated enough to workout, I watch your videos. Seeing what could happen if i quit my workouts and a healthy eating journey right now keeps me disciplined. Plus it doesn't hurt that when you start feeling good about your progress, it shows in your face, in your confidence, and to other people too! And then the compliments really help!
This video is a prime example of what scares me about my younger sibling's health habits. They know what they're doing is slowly killing them, but dig in their heels and refuse to change. I've tried every possible way to get them to try changing, but it just ends in me getting yelled at. Your videos have given me ideas that have actually helped me in my weight loss journey. Even if my sibling has given up I haven't. I'm down 5 pounds so far and I intend to keep going so I can maintain my independence. All I can hope is that my sibling comes to their senses before it's too late.
I was addicted to watching these shows while walking on the treadmill. 45min episode.. 45min workout.
The super morbidly obese person who says they are happy are rarely left to their own devices. That woman has a wound that won’t heal, but the only reason it hasn’t killed her is because someone cares for it. She sees no consequence of her actions. I think if these people are left to function for 7 days on their own, they would lose weight because it would become an incumbrance.
She wil die in some hours im sure. She is not really happy but the junkfood and smoking is probably the source of hapiness in her life
More likely, they would end up as frequent flyers at emergency departments and hospitals.
I think that’s the thing with these bad habits. I had a sugar addiction, similar to these people, but the worst part is that I never remembered the feeling of sickness I felt after binging on sugar BEFORE I’d binge on sugar again.
My brain never connected or remembered the pain so it kept wanting to binge on sugar, forgetting the pain that it caused me.
It’s all about neural connections.
These women view food positively despite all the cons.
Maybe just like me, their brains haven’t connected the dots.
When u focus on the pleasure of an addiction more than the pain, like these ladies, you’ll never change. Does that make sense?
When I started associating chocolate with poop, sweets with vomit and bugs, and extreme fullness with obesity and lethargy my sugar habits got better. The hard part is continuing to reinforce this thinking process.
And although it may sound disordered, it’s a lot less disordered and harmful than binging myself to sickness everyday. Sugar is a drug to me, so why would anyone encourage me to continue my drug anyway. I think what I’m doing is called hypnotherapy too
Sadly I think your right. I'd add the person would only come to check on her if she was taking their medicine, and taking her sugar count, and mental health.
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She's 58. I'm 61 and NOW I go to the gym 3x a week and eat in a caloric deficit (500 kcal below my TDEE) but at one time I came scarily close to what she is going through, I've lost 140 lbs since then and am at the halfway point in my weight loss, I topped out at 462 lbs. It was when my Dr. told me I'd have to inject insulin that the penny dropped for me and I got busy.The more I work and learn about my body and mind the happier and more functional I am. My heart just breaks for her because girl, I feel your pain. Being that size along with health problems is agony, it just is. Many give up and I get that, I'm just a really stubborn bish and I had a grandchild on the way and my daughter needed me.
Hey Kiana! Just getting started. I have a feeling this is gonna help me stay motivated! I am down 30 pounds! Just 10 or 15 more to go. I learned something last week; I cannot be trusted with bagels. Even if they have good stats on sugar, protein, and fiber. There’s so much more food I can be trusted with now, but those bagels started to flip that food addiction switch again.!
Well done Anna 😍😍😍😍💞💞💞💞
Good job! Proud of you 🥰
30 pounds is a great achievement!
Good for you, Anna! Best of luck to you!
I worry about you restricting a food you obviously love! Is there a way you could incorporate it into your diet in way that would bring you joy and also would help you reach your goals? Speaking from experience, I find that if I don't allow myself to eat the foods I love, I just end up bingeing them later which is way worse than allowing myself to eat a little bit when I'm craving it.
My heaviest was 272 lbs, working fluctuating hours, crap sleep, it was miserable, and it took a couple years of therapy and watching my grandma dye trapped in a body that couldn't move to *want* to change. A consistant schedule, little changes (i can't say i cut it out, but cutting down soda and increasing water.), a consistant work and sleep schedule over the past several months, i'm down a little over 20 lbs. If my mindset hadn't changed, i never could have done it
Good Job. Keep it up!
I know exactly what you're talking about, but it's so hard to cook something healthy after 10+ hours of work, especially if you have to do other things too. I also often have to skip my lunch break (which is guaranteed by law 🙄) because there's just too much work to do.
Yeah, I'm digging my own grave...🙁
cutting down > cutting it out completely
Broooo one of my roommates said to me yesterday, “you used to eat so healthy. Now it’s just…. wow”
Like bro I’ve been TRYING to recover from BED / non purging bulimia for I don’t even know how long, man. But I’ve spent like 4 hours working out today. It’s sht🤦🏼♀️
I love you tho lol thank you for posting!! I’m working hard to recover
Well you're beautiful
@@skfoasnxsmm1608 thank you🥺 I appreciate this so much. You are too🥰
are you selling tickets to punch that roommate in the face, because that's a dickhead thing to say. to anyone. 😣
Hope things are going well! And if they aren't, hopefully this comment can help in whatever small way: Good luck on your recovery. You've already acknowledged there's an issue and are trying to fix it and that's a huge step. Take care of your mental health and keep going! Proud of you. You're worthy of happiness and health.
(I've gone through the same, changing is hard but worth every amount of effort)
“I want to be happy.” About 10 years ago I weighed 310 pounds at 5’9”. I used that excuse all the time. Long story short I had a series of health scares. I had a 4 year old daughter at the time and my failing health out some thing into perspective for me. I had to figure out what true happiness actually is. And I realized that happiness is being alive and a part of my kid’s life while she grows up. So I started doing the work and exercising my self discipline. 18 months later I was 190 pounds and I ran a half marathon. Today I’m between 170-180 pounds and my happiness is immeasurably higher. I’ve learned that happiness isn’t food, drink and seeing how sedentary a human can possibly be. Happiness for me is the relationships with my family and friends. Happiness is not being in pain all day every day. Happiness is being proud to be the model of happiness my daughter deserves.
There are also people who know they have a problem, may want to change, believe they can change, but don't know how.
Running from one fad diet after another, failing at it, not understanding what happens. The may even eventually believe they can't change.
It's still amazing for me how many people still don't know much about metabolism, nutrition, ... even after fighting their conditions for a long time.
I think one of the commenters on the episode said that Maria might have orthorexia, since she is so intensely focused on eating right and healthy
im a simple gal, when i see kiana upload a new video, i click immediately
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I'm so glad you mentioned getting someone you love to a therapist if they're struggling with this (an addiction Dr./coach might also be a good option). So often I hear people of privilege take the 'they should just suck it up' attitude when discussing people's eating disorders without taking into consideration the emotional, neurological, economic, and other reasons people might turn to food addiction as their only source of happiness (which would make anyone hesitant to give it up). Thank you for recognizing that these are sometimes complex problems with multi-faceted roots that sometimes require professional help to tackle.
This analysis is really nice. I'm one of those weird people who watched supersize vs superskinny as a mukbang because I'm underweight due to low appetite. Luckily I can handle the visuals of the diabetes wounds relatively well. Sadly a lot of people who watch the show on CZcams have (under)eating disorders and sometimes even idealize the superskinnies or make "jokes" about eating even less than they do. I just hope that both over- and undereaters start prioritizing their health before it's (actually) too late.
Change definitely comes from within. Encouragement and laying out the facts only goes so far. Until someone wants to make a change on their own terms, they just won’t, and that’s the sad reality of it :(
Great video as always!
i don’t usually comment on videos but i’d just like to thank you, your content has helped me improve my life in so many ways and i’ve never been healthier and happier
Made my day! Thank you 💕💕😩 and i’m so glad !! :’)
I feel incredibly lucky to having discovered your channel.
You are definitely one of the most intelligent and deep thinking bloggers that I've came across.
Ms. Docherty you rock. I look forward to your videos more than anyone else's on CZcams. They really help me understand the psychology behind change. Keep on being as awesome as you already are.
that's so sweet thank you very much!
Kiana i had to pause this video to say you look absolutely stunning with that hair style & color, actual double take when you first came on screen
Have you been following the HAES meltdown with Lindo? It’s fascinating and I’d love your take
LOOL i sure have 😂☕️☕️☕️
@@KianaDocherty I haven't but looking forward to a video in the future! 🤩
What Meltdown? I am fascinated with Lindo, a Transperson who preaches that you can not control the shape of your body, but havent updated to newest Haes Dramas recently
@@Sheepy007 Lindo asked members of ASDAH if they would like to contribute to a rewrite of her book. They absolutely melted down. Lindo appeared to be polite and respectful and ASDAH responded with things like “timelines are white supremacy.”
This show saved my life in my opinion. I wasn’t really facing facts. I was 255lbs and gaining roughly 15lbs a year. It didn’t sound like much to me at the time... I wasn’t at the 600lbs wheelchair stage and thought it wasn’t really an issue. I convinced myself I was just ‘curvy’. .... but every year this 10-15lbs just kept creeping on.
Watching this show I calculated where I would be at if I continued this cycle. I could see how easily the weight just comes on and how easily I accepted me not fitting in certain clothes and going up a size every year.
I realised exactly what I was doing to myself and how the ‘super size’ people had been just like me at some point. They didn’t just wake up one day at 500lbs, it was the same slippery slope that I was on. I knew I deserved more than to keep treating my body with such disrespect. That was 4 years ago. I lost 80lbs in a year year and have kept it off ever since.
I’m now 175lbs which is still ‘curvy’ but not obese anymore. I’m 5 foot 9 and don’t really wish to be ‘skinny’ or slimmer at all. I just wanted to be healthy.
My life has got so much better since losing the weight. Things I hadn’t even realised were weight and sugar intake related like acne on my back, I’d just accepted that my back was always itchy and spotty at the top near my neck and shoulders, it cleared up entirely. Things like my HS which caused painful tiny abscesses under my breasts that would burst and hurt, stopped flaring up completely. I stopped having to pretend I wasn’t out of breath every time I ran up the stairs. My confidence improved.
I wouldn’t say my entire body had transformed or anything, I know a lot of people have lost a lot more weight than me but I’ve gone from gaining weight every year of my adult life to finally being able to understand how to actually nourish my body and treat it well. Best feeling ever.
Kiana, back in January, I binged your entire channel. You and you're videos helped me start and maintain a new lifestyle that has significantly improved my life in so many ways. I've completely cut out pop, I exercise daily, I fit into pants that I haven't been able to in years, and I've grown more confident and have made new friends. Your channel is such a good source for anyone who is looking to change their habits, so thanks for being such a positive person in this community.
This weekend keeps getting better
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I have been obsessed with this show for years!! I’m so happy you’ve made a video on it
The episode of SSz vs SSk you featured is one of my favorite ones, mainly because I really loved Brooke’s attitude. My thought about Marie is that she is likely orthorexic, as she seemed to have had issues with food even as a teenager. A person in her situation really could use some therapy to help her take ownership of the problem and to give her the tools she needs to recover and still heat healthy, but in the correct amount. Thanks for another great video! And by the way, you look absolutely stunning.
It is also my favorite
I’m so glad you posted! I love your insight and perspective on these types of situations and the behavior of those who are confronting their circumstances.
One of my favorite things about your videos is that lot of them help tackle addiction in general even though they primarily focus on weight loss , I have developed a few addictions over the pandemic ( CZcams ironically being one of them ) and your videos have helped me overcome them to an extent and I would like to sincerely thank you for that. Love your videos.
Man I haven’t watched this shows since I was in the throes of my eating disorder lol. I bet a lot of people with an ED watched supersize v superskinny
“I just want to be happy and die” I mean yeah same but part of being happy is experiencing life and new things. Part of being happy is having fun. I think she’s just telling herself that’s she’s happy when she’s really not
Really appreciate your content Kiana. I used to be obese and would have loved to have your content available to me when I was younger. Also, I really like your hair. It's the healthiest looking hair I've ever seen on CZcams. It's captivating!
Obsessive energy is always dangerous.
Hey Kiana, I swear I watched all the episodes but missed that episode? I'm more surprised you watch this show. Wow. Nice.
This video motivated me to finally stop smoking cigarettes'. I'm also a little bit obese (literally just over the line, a little belly, thick thighs and arms etc) and your video with tips on how to loose weight easier was very helpful. And i love your attitude, how kind and at the same time realistic you are. You are a real inspiration!
I bought your guide in December but I wasn't ready to do the work, I wasn't ready to change. Something did change the other day and I've been getting through the guide and doing the work. It's true - nothing changes unless you do, and sometimes it's not the time. Your guide is very helpful and doesn't make you feel bad for "failing", it just means you haven't found the right strategy yet. Thanks Kiana!
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You're glowing Kiana! Great video as always.
How can that woman live with the pain that huge open wound must be causing?? I don’t understand.
That image will be with me until the day I die 🤢
i think she said it's totally numb at some point but i'm not sure lol
@@KianaDocherty I certainly hope so. The way my skin crawled when I saw 😖
Sometimes you just get used to it even if it seems crazy give up her only source of "happy time" aka eating junkfood and smoking seems a more impossible task in her mind
Diabetic neuropathy means she won't be able to feel it, that's why. The wound starts small and they don't realise because the extremity is numb, then with the numbness also comes poor circulation and poor healing. They don't realise they have a wound until it's already severe. My T1 diabetic friend has had to check the soles of her feet, etc, since she was 11 to make sure she catches anything, because a small nick or a blister potentially could lead to the loss of a limb.
Hi Kiana, I found your channel by accident about a year ago and your videos have helped me stick to making real changes in my life. I've never suffered with obesity or anything weight related but I have had my share of skin conditions and addictions I've had to battle and you've actually helped me realize it just takes will power and self discipline to make a real change. I get junk food like once a month no matter how much I crave it, I just know it doesn't feel as good as going the extra mile and getting something nutritious. I've quit multiple addictions because I realized it's no benefit for me or the people around me. And I've never felt better in my life. Just putting this comment here as a mini "story" about personal experience having to do life changes as a sort of success story. The work never ends, you just have to be willing to do it for yourself. Sadly some people don't care about themselves as much, until a life threatening situation happens that makes them realize they are gonna die but not gonna be "happy".... It's like when people give up on themselves..thats the biggest issue when it comes to changing behavior.. you have to want it.
“i just wanna be happy and die”. i used to say stuff like that when i was an addict, as long as i was going what i loved (dope), i didn’t care. damn it’s sad, these people are stuck in an addiction and you can never see how bad it is until you get out
Fantastic analysis as usual! Felt this personally, as I used to really believe I couldn't change. I'm so happy I realized the agency we can have over our own lives.
Wooooo new video 🎉🎉 I really enjoy your videos, commentary and how you interweave your personal experiences. Keep on working hard - we appreciate all your videos !! 💖✨💘
Kiana, I cannot begin to tell you how ecstatic I am that you are covering this show. I hope you cover more Supersize vs Superskinny content. Coming from someone like me who has used this show as weight loss inspiration, I cannot begin to tell you how hooked I was on this show. I also hope you tackle other British weight loss shows such as Fat Families and Secret Eaters because I also enjoy those shows.
I can relate to the helpless feeling and loss of agency and “fuck it all I’m too far gone” attitude. The only time in my life I’ve ever seen results from diet and constant exercise was when I was eating 500 calories a day. I’ve tried healthy diets and nothing works. Being severely depressed doesn’t help anything at all. I can never judge a drug addict again because I’m just as bad when it comes to not giving a fuck about myself. The only ironically good thing is that sometimes I’m so tired and depressed and overwhelmed by the idea of venturing outside and completing task , that I don’t want to get up and eat.
I forgot I was subscribed to you, feels good to watch
Oh hell yeah, this just made my weekend so much better! Kiana content is best content!
...ok, this is the first time I feel slightly called out by one of your videos. Marie's lifestyle kinda...sorta...resonates with me. I'm not at the level she is (I don't count my almonds!) but I always try to choose nutrient dense, filling food, including eating oatmeal for all my breakfasts so I can feel fuller longer and not overeat for lunch+dinner, and yet I often wonder why I find it so hard to gain any weight. I just find it really difficult to put more food in my mouth :/
I'd love to see more discussion of undereating/underweight topics in your videos, I think I have a lot to learn still.
As difficult as losing weight can be - my friends who are hard gainers need to force themselves to eat a lot more than normal in order to gain weight/ put on muscle.
@@coreyh6698 it's one of the reasons i will never be buff. I am an extremely hard gainer and my genetics make me more of an endurance athlete than a fast twitch athlete. My legs are as big as a 200lbs/90kg man but Im only 150lbs/63kg. All muscle
Have you tried having fast food with a large coke twice a day ? Maybe thrice? Calories in calories out. You just news be unhealthy af for a month or two and go back to normal
I know my comment is super late, but can you answer this: how do you feel after each meal? Do you feel full? Are you satiated? It’s not wrong to choose the healthy options, it’s very good actually, but portion sizes play a big role in everything.
While maintaining weight, the advice is to eat to about 7-8 out of 10 - meaning, you still have a little place left and you don’t feel completly full, but you are satiated and not hungry anymore.
When trying to gain weight, try to increase your portions, so you truly feel full after every meal. That should do the trick.
Thank you for making a video on Supersize Vs Superskinny! I hope you make more like these in the future. There are so many interesting episodes and so much to dissect in this show.
I don't have a weight problem, but a chronic illness and I find it so hard to keeping up with the change.
I was really focusing on food after getting diagnosed, but once the meds kicked in and my illness calmed down, it was hard to keep that up.
Same, I have a disease that makes it hard for me to eat (have a disease that affects the muscle that work in the swallowing part and chewing too) which sucks because I was able to eat anything and keep a healthy weight when I didn't have this because I used to work out, now is challenging for me to maintain weight let alone gain it which is the ultimate gold and can't even work out
This was very interesting, analyzing the different types of person and why they can't change
So glad I finally got your work book cant wait to start. Keep the great work up!
I love how you cover these stories & issues.
I was told by the doc I was pre-diabetic and it was only a matter of time before I had full blow type 2. That day I tossed all the shit, got into carnivore and I already feel so much better, more awake, no more indigestion.
Hey. Would you be willing to share some tips? I want to improve my eating habits but idk where to start
@@leahb413 TBH I'm not qualified, but I've been following people like Shawn Baker and Paul Saladino, both MDs who know what they're talking about and have addressed almost everything you might have a question about over the years, but also take email questions too.
I personally started with just ground beef with taco seasoning, cheese and sour cream. Now I'm eating steaks and liver too, but I had to build up to that point where I felt comfortable doing so, because it is a big jump to take if you don't easy into it.
@@leahb413 Sv3rige YT channel.
@@BlackRain_ sv3rige is a bit of a loony and way too dogmatic
Idk, I'm not familiar with who you mentioned but I did into reading medical diet studies because of biology classes (by that I mean learning how to read data points and what counts as statistically significant as well as how data or metadata is collected and evaluated) and most studies I've seen say that too much meat (often red meat or dairy in the studies I remember) can not only lead to increased heart disease an other issues but some evidence has shown it can still cause diabetes.
Diabetes is not just a "too much sugar" disease apparently.
This is not something I stay on top of 100% as I am not in classes anymore nor do I work in a medical field, but I did learn to never listen to headlines. Even if headlines cite studies to "prove" what they say, when I learned to read studies for myself, I could see how easily data can be willfully misinterpreted or how premises/methodology of studies can be inherently flawed from go. Also, always look at who funded a study. Sadly, a lot of misinterpreted info comes from people trying to make money off of using studies to make products they sell seem healthier than they are.
In the end, if you believe something is working for you, awesome, keep at it. I, however, am just really skeptical when people go to extremes of any kind.
I’d love a vid from Kiana about EDs and how they relate to things like depression or anxiety. My relationship with food is one of the ways I can tell if my depression has come back or not.
I hope you enjoy creating the content because I enjoy watching it
You're such an intelligent, sweet person. I always watch your videos with a big smile on my face. Keep up the good work. :)
“I do it with my eyes closed, cuz someday diabetes will take my eyes from me” OH MY GAWD I HAVE TO CHANGE NOWWWWWW
Wow! I've never been this early for an upload!
Love your videos, Kiana 😁
I realised I had a problem with soda pop when my dentist took note of it. I immediately cut down on my soda intake, because my teeth are so important to me. Now I'm counting how much I have each week, and reminding myself that fruits and tea with some sugar is also an option for my periodical cravings.
I don’t know if you did the censoring of Christina’s wound or if the show did but thank god :x
I'm grateful for the useful information you provided in you're videos
Going through this with Diana should make a huge impact and give motivation to whoever that young woman is that's helping her.
Hi Kiana! You look stunning, skin glowing and everything. You inspire me to keep working towards health, every single day🙌🏾
Your hair looks beautiful 🤩
i reached the point of counting the number of raviolis i "should" eat 🤦🏻♀️ that's when i decided to go to therapy
Thank you for this video. I recently became aware of a toxic set of mental gymnastics I've been doing for the last 20 years. At first, the idea of challenging these toxic thoughts seemed impossible. It has affected so many aspects, if not all, of my life. But I can do this. I can catch and challenge these trauma responses as they happen. I love life and joy too much to not face this. This video came to me at the right time.
So yes I subscribed to your channel because I'm interested in health and nutrition. But I'm honestly impressed every time you bring around the discussion to a larger topic of personal health- and pov and worldview are great tools to change your situation. Keep the videos coming 😁
I hate it when these people say they are happy. If you need to smoke, drink alchol and eat so much junkfood that you weigh 300 something kilo than your not happy. U are using those things to escape your miserable life. If you were happy you would not need to destroy your body to be happy.
Stop describing my life 😞😒 I don’t describe myself as happy though. It’s just that being tired all the time is so hard that I mindlessly scroll through CZcams or go to sugar (old bad habits) but I’m trying to change. 💕 wish me luck? Anemia sucks but at least it’s not permanent. My parents also suck but it’s fine as I have at least one semi sane person in my life (my brother). It’s just hard sometimes.
@@dianalove539 I'm also not happy. It just annoys me when people are in denial or lying to themselves about it, probably because i do it aswel.
Good luck, hope you manage to become the person you want and find happieness.
@@wowjack8944 Thank you. I really hope the same for you as well
It's the fear of making an effort. If you never use your willpower it doesn't work anymore. It's better to start with small increments. But to live a good life one must overcome obstacles everyday. This creates true happiness, the kind that gives you wings!
Love your content and your gorgeous self, Kiana
Great video as always.
I used to not like your videos. I don't even know why I chose to listen to more than one. But you research your subject matters really well, your personal experience is a testament of perceptual change, and you back up your opinions in a way that makes me realize I agreed with you the whole time.
So, thanks for that. 😊👍
i love british TV and this one is one of my favs. love you kiana!