Using single shots, full auto only in the most critical moment, changing mags, walking slowly, not rushing blindly anywhere, the audio literally cracks from how loud his riffle is.. i love this scene.
"I think you'd have to believe afterward, if you could... that agreeing to participate and then backing out at the critical moment was a mistake. Because that's what I'm telling you, as *clearly* as I can." -Lou Bloom
Maybe realistic, but also insanely dumb. Just as this character was shooting through door, I went: "WTF, check your targets, idiot!" I haven't seen the movie, but did he went nuts, sort of like in classic "Taxi Driver"?
TotalRookie_LV I think it’s like how Anton Chigur thinks in No Country For Old Men. You enter a room of armed hostile that will shoot you as much as your gonna shoot them, you don’t take chances. Anton shot through a wall in the motel and killed another gang member. Only difference between here and that is this time it wasn’t another gang member, and he didn’t realize that.
Love this interpretation of Urban warfare.. not as intense as the Heat shootout, but a clear example of what one trained soldier can do when his fuse runs short.
Trained soldier? HA! What soldier doesN'T look over his shoulder after shooting a bad guy in the back? The last few seconds of it was hilariously unconvincing. I saw a SWAT documentary and the drill sergeant was absolutely RUTHLESS if they didn't check their backs every few seconds. When they went down a hallway, they had to keep one arm on the shoulder of the guy in front. Anyone caught not doing so was actually yanked out of line! One guy went around a corner and the DS gave him pure hell for failing to look over his back after entering the room.
It's a clear example of what fictional bullshit looks like. Do you honestly think this is how urban fire fights go down? If this was real that guy wouldn't last thirty seconds. In an SAS doc I heard an ex-SAS vet say when they are planning a CT building clearance the ideal is to outnumber the targets two to one. That's the _S.A.S_ ... Cool cowboy scene but don't try this at home, kids.
@@synchc He was alone, did you even see the film? It was nobody but him. No way to outnumber 2 to 1. Also these were street kids with no training, an armed soldier can do serious damage, I will agree he should have checked 6 every few seconds, but ideally a 3rd man does that continuously while 2 advance . When not possible, 2 guys go and advance, fast. And by fast I mean fast, never get pinned down, mobility saves you (okay for us it was about airstrikes and artillery but still valid). Grenades, flashbangs, whatever it takes, give them no breathing room, works great on poorly or not trained. Constant fire as you go up point blank if you must, move like you mean it. He had a clear objective, go for the objective, no stopping. If you go forward and around corners fast enough, 6 will stay clear, but keep checking those damn corners.
@@jamegumb7298 If the handbook you read all that from told you it was an ok idea to go up against thirty or forty kids with small-arms in their high rise urban environment turf with an assault rifle and a pistol I suggest you start reading a different handbook. And yes, I saw the film. It was a *film.* The point I was making is that even the very best like to stack two to one. Even with the best training, planning, skills, gear, timing, teamwork. Even then, if they don't want to chance losing a guy, they'd choose to stack 2:1.
@@jamegumb7298 ... And that's without the fact the guy is walking down the middle of the street. It's suicide. Like I said; good cowboy scene but totally and nihilistically unrealistic.
In my opinion one of the best shoot out scenes. No stupid music or over use of slow motion (or any in this case), great sounds effects. Excellent scene.
+120masterpiece In fairness, he did say "*one of* the best shoot out scenes". Whatever, you're right: 'Heat' is the best, no contest. This one here is pretty damn good as well, though.
GjVj Oh, true. My bad. This is a good scene. I find the tactics awkward but how they film it is good. Not many movies take a raw approach to filming shooting scenes like this or Heat.
He actually used a sling! I was military and that gets on my nerves in movies & games whenever somebody is carrying a rifle, they never use a sling. That is taking your sidearm out of the fight completely. Unless you just through your rifle down when you run dry, but that could dent your barrel, turning your rifle into an IED.
I'm a veteran, as well(from Norway, back in 2003), where we were using the old H&K G3 7.62 cal, and we NEVER took off our slings, cause that's your life-line. Shoutout to you, fellow soldier! Did you serve over seas? I spent a year in afghanistan, but I didn't manage to get one of those taliban-effers. They usually just shot off some rounds from far away, and then ran off. No planned attacks, just fucking with us, I guess.
@@Smettli That's great that Norway was still using the full-power 7.62x51mm round so long after post-WW2 doctrine had trended to mid-power "short" rounds, which for NATO means 5.56x45. And you could do way worse than the G3... I mean sure, it's got the ergonomics of a brick, and doesn't lock-open when the mag is empty, but that innovative hexagonal chamber means it's both very hard to foul/jam with dirt, and also very hard to overheat. Had the semi-auto civilian HK91 version for many years. "Killed" many a wild washing machine at the junkyard with it. ;') Something tells me that Norway does not follow the Swiss model, and let you keep your service rifle for life... hmm, wonder if the Finns do?
Regardless The lack of irrationalism caused by stress and how The youths keep charging, The overall realism and brutality of this scene sends chills man.
Idk why so many people give this scene shit for unrealism...first off, for a movie this fire fight was more realistic than probably 99% of all other firefight movie scenes. The gangsters were the untrained drugged wannabe tough guys who just fired and sprayed, while the "veteran" did mag changes, shoot and scoot tactics, brass checks, reloads, aiming using sights and suppressive fire. honestly what more do you want from a movie? I loved it and found it an exciting and memorable scene
+IPilotheHATREDCopter I agree fully! The semi auto action, mag changes, etc. I really liked it! Some tactics weren't quite there, but after all he was after junkies and maybe wanted maximum vision against maximum coverage.
+IPilotheHATREDCopter Totally agreed, the semi-auto action and brass check alone sold me on realism...Only the casual stroll down main street at high noon kinda spoiled it a little for me...
+Ravage Glez Yeah, there are not many things that produce the decibels that a gun firing does, especially reapetedly. Quite literally deafening for some people.
I always loved the audio on that movie. Every time i watch the bank robbery shootout in Heat i get goosebumps because it sounds so real. This is the only gunfight in a movie that i think can keep up with Heat
For an action movie I am impressed by how realistic they make this scene with the soldier using actual gun tactics like busts fire, suppressive fire, reloading techniques and movement to and from cover to overcome his untrained opponents. I also like the extra touch with the soldier abandoning his tactical ways at the beginning of the fight only to revert back to his more tactical ways when his instinct takes over in the face of danger. For those who don't know the context of this scene, the soldier is coming into this fight shortly after losing everything dear to him and his lack of motivation is reflected in his initial approach to this fight. But his training kicks in when danger forces him to act out of instinct and forget his suicidal intentions.
I'm actually glad the writer/director decided to have an innocent woman die due to a mistake from the protagonist. It really brings home the true nature of violence. This isn't just some awesome bad-ass action. This is the true consequence of a gunfight. It turns something that is visceral and entertaining to something a sad and tragic.
This is honestly one of the best shootouts I've seen. Other than staying out in the open too much, moving slow, and lowering his rifle he actually uses some technique.
I'm not saying its smart to stand out in the open but I dont think this guy was trying to "win" only to set an example that you shouldn't fuck with people and to be honest I'd get the message.
I think the fact that he is obviously incredibly well trained, but still makes the fatal mistake of killing a "non combatant", a single mother at that shows the true realty of "war". Even the best can make mistakes. And the fact that he doesn't "win" despite having far superior skills but being far out numbered shows reality as well. As much as I love the John Wick Movies (and their offshoots like "Extraction") and the fancy gun handling; this movie and ending just hits in a different way.
Tell me how those black dudes won? The white soldier was highly trained 😂😂😂😂😂😂 This movie scene is BS (not in realism, but the fact that the former soldier lost)
Toby kebbell is one of the most talented and underrated actors of hollywood the kind of performance he delivers in every film he should be recognised more by the huge studios and directors
...he was spraying a guy like ten feet away after getting shot from behind. I don't know how those two seconds of screen time warranted a lecture about "US military doctrine"...
+Lestat3721 You are right about the M4A4/16 being issued as single or burst...but some guys got the M4A1 ( which is fully auto) and some of us got the new IAR (M27) which is a full auto free floating badass....best gun I ever had
I don't really know anything about Military tactics but I have heard from a few army friends that this is one of the most realistic shootouts they have seen. Can I guess why and anyone with any knowledge of the subject tell me if I'm close? 00:35 Element of Surprise 1:281:401:47 Alternating High/Low cover 2:073:336:22 Changing/topping off the magazine whenever there is a break in the action 2:56 Lowest center of gravity/smallest target possible for being in the middle of a road 3:44 Moving forward whenever possible while laying down suppressing fire 4:04 Not taking any chances and shooting a few rounds in case anyone is hiding or standing where they can't be seen 5:09 Checking the corners before running into the middle of the hallway 5:14 (THE MISTAKE) letting yourself get distracted/emotionally upset from accidental friendly fire/collateral damage 5:43 Constant suppressing fire while moving forward so the bad guy can't do anything 5:48 Only switching to automatic fire in a dire situation/moment of panic after being shot to suppress the bad guy 5:56 Carefully timing his popping out to return fire so it is in a break in the normal timing that a person would pop out and shoot 6:19 Multiple shots to take down a bigger guy 6:26 FUCK! Becoming incapacitated from a horrific neck GSW... Fantastic scene!
+tankmaster1018 In real life the bad guys are not going to instantly drop dead after they get hit with a single bullet, unless it's a direct shot in the head. Bad guys spraying full auto UZI gangster style was laughably unrealistic, especially that clown with a molotov. The ending scene was good though.
Tell your friend that they haven't seen many. While it is "more realistic" than the average Hollywood scene, it's not incredibly realistic at all, given that the character is supposed to be a war veteran. Contrary to II II, taking a rifle round (5.56 X 45mm as the guy uses) to the chest is enough to put anyone down. They deliver in excess of 1500kj of energy. Hitting someone in the chest with this pretty much means putting them down. Apart from that, there's not a lot of realism here. For example at 1:12, the enemies are incredibly huddled up together, yet he only is able to land 1 shot. Also with a rifle, the favourable range and the training, he should have been able to mop up most of these crew members, who as you saw literally jumped out of cover. Although for many scenes, you see he walks around quite openly, and at 3:36 he doesn't even bother to lay suppressing rounds as he casually walks in front of enemy fire. There's a lot of mistakes here, and it would take a while to lay them out.
yeah, also 5.56 would pierce those covers of his enemies from such distance like hot knife through butter... also people don't die instantly after beign shot
1500kj is a lot of energy, but people don't die from single 5.56 bullet, that is total bullshit. Not going to go in to detail, but you can easily check internet for proof. There are enough conflicts in the world and enough technology available on the scene to get a "first person" view on such encounters
Yea where I'm from in america, even if a gang is slightly diverse, once you hit the big leagues and go to the pen, you better stick with your people where you belong.
One of the Best and most real like shootouts i've ever seen in a movie. No 1000 round magazines, no people flying around or making backflips when hit by a bullet just bodys sacking down and dropping, no hilarious gunfigth choreographys, accurate reloading and even the guns used by the gangsters are guns which are notorious for use in gangwarfare. Very well done.
I overlooked through this minor detail, but noticed it this time. After killing the lady, his face did not flinch, there was no visible remorse or sadness on his face. Kind of shows that he has seen this shit before and knows how to handle it. This adds another layer to him being a veteran, that he is not just aware of the threats and dangers of bad guys, but knows how to quickly digest the loss of good ones too.
I mean fuck if you go around shooting bad guys you have to say fuck it if I miss sucks for that person to be in a ghetto neighborhood should have moved out 😂😂😂 soldiers mentality kill and keep moving forward so killing innocent by accident won't faze them or anybody with combat common sense basically everything is out of reaction and just training it's not like his civilian self is aware of it
The first time I ever saw this i said the same thing. Do the thing they least expect and fight into the ambush. Cover fire to keep heads down and go right into them.
@@corvidconfidential8826like I said he still got killed in the end. As good as he was he was not unstoppable. and you know it's not real right? It's a movie. He didn't actually kill those guys for real lol.
@@yokiryuchan7655 wait.... I'm pretty sure you're mistaken. This isn't a movie, I know for a fact it's real footage. And yes, I was just making a humorous comment on his KD ratio as if it were a videogame, though explaining the joke kinda ruins it~
+Buttered Toast You can tell the difference between a Mac and a Uzi.This gun has a very high rate of fire.Both Mac 11 and Mac 10 have 1200 r/m,the Uzi has only got 600 r/m.But it you could say there are another variants of the Uzi like the Mini or the Micro - each with a cadence of 950 and 1200. 950 bullets per minute and 1200 are almost the same,but if you hear closely enough you can surely tell the difference.And I think it was a Mac MP because it has its sound and the enemies had to reload it very fast due to the small standart mag of the Mac.But I couldn't see if it was an Mac 10 or 11.
+Aurea Ramos Maybe you can but I sure can't :p I don't know that much about guns but my sister's husband (a real war veteran) could teach me plenty if I ever wanted to learn :)
+Buttered Toast ☺ Well,it's only my opinion and of course he can tell you 100 times more about guns that I do.Good eve/day depending on how late it is in the state that you live in the U.S.☺Greetings from Germany and Spain!
Rexor Mg He was a paratrooper and combat veteran. He probably had flashbacks of all the times he got back from deployment and some asshole used change to pay for groceries while he was waiting in line.
That felt infinitely more realistic than most cinematic gun battles, but not sure how many dudes are going to run down a hallway with no cover as a guy is unloading on them with an automatic weapon.
Look at how Japan was WW2 they charged at marines when marines had lots of artillery to them which is why Japan soldiers were like Germans SS 😂😂😂 fight to the death even with no weapons
google plus sucks Thats because they were gangsters or something. They aren't allowed to have accuracy and control of a gun in movies. Yes rifles are easier to use but most (what I'm assuming mist had) .45 or 9mm are not that difficult to control if you have ever bothered to control it.
I think tbh he just didn't give a fuck. I mean he's gone into this firefight more like a kamikaze pilot than anything else because he had nothing left to lose
Never seen or heard of the film, is now a must watch! Brilliant shoot choreography; I haven't seen the rest of the film and yet I can understand what led the character on his "Taxi Driver-esque" killing spree. There are a couple of nods to "Taxi Driver," first when he's in the car and looking at himself in the rear view mirror, and when he is on the couch bleeding and mortally wounded. The director was clearly a fan of Scorsese.
This is very accurate from what I see, I’m not military but from research, his tactics, form and reaction time etc, was on point. He even used a sling. Also, him getting shot and killed adds to the accuracy, usually the character survives a shootout like this, this proves nobody is bulletproof, you can still die no matter how great you are at gun ethics.
2:45 speaking as someone who is currently serving, it is pretty accurate. My only nitpick is that this moment, he should not be pointing the muzzle that far to ground, he’s a single man walking into hostile making a lot of noise. Should’ve been at the low ready or even ready up (this kinda goes against rules of engagement but I think at this point that’s kinda out the window). Main thing I like is he doesn’t chicken wing, tons of guys in action movies do this and it’s a huge pet peeve of mine.
I love the work put into this characters tactical choices 1: buys a rifle - has no shoulder sling? Used bicycle cord+ 2: takes 2 mags straps em togeather+ 3: actually reloads (Lol) *the sound design....so crisp grest gunshot sounds* (in real life there would have been more if an echo) *listen to the click on the safety selector **7:40* 4: doesn't waste ammo on full auto- Fires on semi (This is one of the only times I have seen a some one do this in a movie realistically) Professional soldiers Are trained to do this. Other action movies can Become silly when you realize This. In the movie 13hours They fire on semi also . its got realistic tactical movement too. Another is the movie the lone survivor with Mark walberg
Though he stole the rifle after starting to realize not everything was as his employers told him despite having to turn it in along with the other recovered rifles
Perfect action direction from start to finish. Plenty of establishing shots, fluid editing, a great sense of geography, and an outstanding sound mix. The movie itself is nothing to write home about, but this shootout sequence is nothing short of perfect on a technical and creative level.
There's a very clear message in the death of this protagonist. He was too in the zone when that door opened, he killed an innocent woman, got distracted, and his own PSTD cost him his life. That's why he sat down and accepted his fate. He decided he deserved what was about to happen.
3:21 Miller almost quickly put the firebomb guy out of his misery, before realizing that the firebomb guy tried firebombing him. Then he let the guy burn for a few seconds.
I always feel like this scene is a nod to the Punisher. He's solo, cold and calculated (for the most part), and then there's that swagger as he just strolls on in.
the realism of his body undergoing a reflex wherein it tenses up and shakes upon severe damage to the brain is absolutely astonishing. props to the crew and actor
I remember the fist time I saw this movie. Every scene was given attention to detail, and despite never hearing of any of these actors/actresses, they were great. The whole "bungee sling" thing seems pretty realistic given the context and I tried out out for a while, although I'm unwilling to reveal the results here because I'm going to be doing a video on it and other carry methods. The sound design was great, as you can tell by this scene alone. I don't really have any complaints about this film. Excellent film making.
Cool scene. Realistically, there are very few instances where one should be at low ready in an active combat zone. Him being at low ready while pieing corners, and especially while clearing the stair well, was driving me wild. Still cool to watch none-the-less.
British soldiers are by far the best infantry on the planet. They have tons of combat experience accumulated from their colonies. They are taught to be speedy and aggressive and without mercy.
Some of the most badass and realistic gunfire sound effects in film history, specifically his AR-15. You can almost feel the hard-hitting thumping base every time he fire it. The other guns weren't nearly as realistic as that gun was, but still better than 95% of gun sound-effects in film and TV.
Surprisingly pure gunfight. Loved the raw sound effects. Veteran seemed to move a bit slowly, but it feels intentional to build tension leading into the final scene.
I greatly applaud how well Toby Kebbel locked in the "wary but totally confident" attitude. He knows full well he's dealing with dangerous, but stupid undertrained wannabe gangsters, and you see it in his walk. Meandering about, somewhat keeping situational awareness aloof, knowing full well his enemy's only tactic is either A.) bum rush and wildly shoot B.) retreat and wildly shoot Such a good representation of how a soldier in that situation would probably act. Alert, but not scared or threatened in the slightest because he knows his enemy and the tactics they'll use.
It's interesting watching this just after having watched Dead Man's Shoes, which was also Toby Kebbell's first film role. The two films share some similar themes, albeit they are quite different movies. The woman who got shot helps underline something that was also touched upon in Dead Man's Shoes, namely the fact that both main characters aren't the "good guys", that nothing is black and white. Vengeance comes at a cost, whether to those who give in to it or the people around them.
One nice touch to this scene that just occurred to me is that during his final reload attempt he is in a walking crouch to minimize his profile, yet this is what allows the young boy's shot to connect mortally, as opposed to a possible miss or shot to his hip/leg.
I'm not going to lie, I have been in a few shootouts myself by legal self defense and war, and this is by far the most realistic shootout that I have ever seen in film history.
First off, what do I know? I've never been in a firefight nor have I ever been a scenario that's remotely close to this whatsoever so take my comment with a pinch of salt of course. I've always found it really cool how they've made this scene seem more.....human 1- The Veteran is actually seen reloading multiple times unlike a decent amount of action movies where a 30 round mag somehow holds close to 200 rounds. 2-He's actually using select fire (semi auto if I'm not mistaken) when engaging these youth gangsters which is sensible considering that select fire is generally more favorable due to him being able to conserve ammo and being able to control recoil properly. Granted it does have it's uses such as during the scene at 5:48. 3-He's human. I'm glad they haven't gone with the "He's an army veteran so he is an unstoppable killing machine, one shot and the enemies go down etc" He is human after all and we clearly see that he does miss some of his shots ( whilst being shot at) and takes a few hits towards the end before actually dying. 4-The people he's fighting against are supposed to be child gangsters, not trained soldiers so it makes sense that they seem to lack some tactics and weapon handling. Also helps explain why he takes down quite a decent amount of them but gets outnumbered towards the end and thus dying. Linking this back to the "human aspect" 5- There aren't a lot of quick jump cuts to hide the transitions, camera is mostly stable and shows us clearly what is going on. Just found that kinda cool xd
Hes a Combat Veteran, an even more amazing detail is that most soldiers are issued 210 Rounds which is around 7 Mags. before he switched to his sidearm he was actually on his last Magazine and after that he could ditch it with something else. Rifle had a Sling aswell what is even more surprising is that the fact his ACOG ontop has an RMR mounted for close quarters which I assume is the optics he used the entire time. Loved the actual Militarism they put into this movie and I wish other filming studios take notes from this for inspiration
The ending was perfect. This IS the definition of a Greek tragedy. I haven't seen a movie like this in a very long time. At least, a movie that didn't suffer from a hero complex, as do most action movies tend to propagate. A man conditioned to kill for his country, then finds out the truth as to what his country/corporation uses him for. Tries to right the wrongs that would have ultimately stayed with him for the rest of his life. Knowing that, in the end, he is just one man. One man who did everything in his power to stop the injustices that he perpetuated wittingly and unwittingly. This is why in a twenty-four hour cycle, twenty-four U.S. soldier's take their own life. They know what they do is wrong, yet haven't the understanding as to why, as to what purpose their actions serve. The only difference here is, Bobby caught a glimpse of the truth; Acting accordingly, and truthfully, to himself. "Fix reason firmly within her seat. Bring to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Boldly question even the existence of God. For if there be one, he must pay homage to that of truth, than of blind-folded fear." -Thomas Jefferson
The only thing I wish the director didn’t do is have that cliche “walk in the middle of the road slowly like a bad ass “ cliche . The lead is doing reloads, taking cover, advancing after suppression fire , hitting center mass or taking them out by the hips, and there’s no annoying score which adds to the tension... but slowly walking in the middle of the street instead of taking cover ruins it lol
I disagree I think the Director was trying to show the "burnout" of a Combat Soldier who realized His Society had turned to shit. That being said He did squander too much ammo on supression AND He should have ahd some Grenades.
A “burned out vet disgusted by what government has done to his home” would’ve made more sense if he was taking cover. He obviously wanted to cause maximum damage to the filth in his home. He was constantly ducking in and out of cover throughout the entire length of this scene , even after he was shot...hence why it didn’t make sense the only time he made himself vulnerable was in that particular scene where he was walking in the middle of the street . I still think the director either thought it was cool and/or intimidating. Also Grenades would only make sense in clearing rooms once he went in the complex, but would run a massive risk on killing innocent people. This isn’t a city in Iraq cleared out of innocent civilians by marines, it’s a residence. And suppressive fire is necessary on advancing a position if you are pinned down. When you shoot , people duck and obscure their line of sight, which allows you to advance to a new position. Hence why military squads have saws and support. Considering he’s by himself and was constantly pinned , he needed to do that to advance. He should have had Atleast 8 magazines for his rifle and 4-6 for his pistol. But then again he had a death wish/might have not thought he was getting that far. Regardless it was near flawless and well directed, researched , and choreographed.
I think it was a cinematic thing but there is some truth to it in the cases of soldiers walking in the middle of tight streets during a gunfight so they don't get hit by rocket propelled grenades that are likely to explode on impact with the wall.
If it were't for the criticism against the goverment and the war this movies would have probably been way more popular, still i believe it to be a masterpiece in its own right. I remember watching it for the first time i couldn't believe i found a b movie this good.
Is that... The guy in Rock n Rolla? Damn, I had never imagined the guy for a role like this, but I really need to see this movie now. The shootout itself was... Very good, honestly. Of course, movies being movies, they will always have some stuff to add to the action and tension for effect, but this was a fairly down to earth shootout. Impressive sound design, as well. How come I have not heard of this movie? Sheesh, time to bring out the popcorn...
Using single shots, full auto only in the most critical moment, changing mags, walking slowly, not rushing blindly anywhere, the audio literally cracks from how loud his riffle is.. i love this scene.
That's because it's blank firing weapons recorded live. Everything is therefore accurate. Glad you liked it.
@@MrFuzzyGreen You worked on the movie?
@@jackcravford8744 I was the Production Sound Mixer, so that was indeed all my handywork and my two boom ops too.
Happy to answer any questions.
"I think you'd have to believe afterward, if you could... that agreeing to participate and then backing out at the critical moment was a mistake. Because that's what I'm telling you, as *clearly* as I can."
-Lou Bloom
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I love how he actually reloads and doesn't have an infinite amount of bullets
Random Commentor unlike John wick who just change weapon every ten sec
@@Someone-wj1lf which is also dope yet still realistic.
Just like den of theifs. It's a new tread of realistically showing how it would really go down in modern urban combat.
@someone John Wick's magazine sizes were realistic.
Dude shot well over 30 bullets per mag tho
The one thing that stuck out was the accidental victim. No glorifying music. No slow motion. Realistic.
Cattle Herder Casualty of war
Maybe realistic, but also insanely dumb. Just as this character was shooting through door, I went: "WTF, check your targets, idiot!"
I haven't seen the movie, but did he went nuts, sort of like in classic "Taxi Driver"?
TotalRookie_LV I think it’s like how Anton Chigur thinks in No Country For Old Men. You enter a room of armed hostile that will shoot you as much as your gonna shoot them, you don’t take chances. Anton shot through a wall in the motel and killed another gang member. Only difference between here and that is this time it wasn’t another gang member, and he didn’t realize that.
And also The Veteran shot a door
Brutally Realistic...Nail on the Head..
Love this interpretation of Urban warfare.. not as intense as the Heat shootout, but a clear example of what one trained soldier can do when his fuse runs short.
Trained soldier? HA! What soldier doesN'T look over his shoulder after shooting a bad guy in the back? The last few seconds of it was hilariously unconvincing. I saw a SWAT documentary and the drill sergeant was absolutely RUTHLESS if they didn't check their backs every few seconds. When they went down a hallway, they had to keep one arm on the shoulder of the guy in front. Anyone caught not doing so was actually yanked out of line! One guy went around a corner and the DS gave him pure hell for failing to look over his back after entering the room.
It's a clear example of what fictional bullshit looks like. Do you honestly think this is how urban fire fights go down? If this was real that guy wouldn't last thirty seconds. In an SAS doc I heard an ex-SAS vet say when they are planning a CT building clearance the ideal is to outnumber the targets two to one. That's the _S.A.S_ ...
Cool cowboy scene but don't try this at home, kids.
@@synchc He was alone, did you even see the film? It was nobody but him. No way to outnumber 2 to 1. Also these were street kids with no training, an armed soldier can do serious damage, I will agree he should have checked 6 every few seconds, but ideally a 3rd man does that continuously while 2 advance . When not possible, 2 guys go and advance, fast. And by fast I mean fast, never get pinned down, mobility saves you (okay for us it was about airstrikes and artillery but still valid). Grenades, flashbangs, whatever it takes, give them no breathing room, works great on poorly or not trained. Constant fire as you go up point blank if you must, move like you mean it. He had a clear objective, go for the objective, no stopping. If you go forward and around corners fast enough, 6 will stay clear, but keep checking those damn corners.
@@jamegumb7298 If the handbook you read all that from told you it was an ok idea to go up against thirty or forty kids with small-arms in their high rise urban environment turf with an assault rifle and a pistol I suggest you start reading a different handbook.
And yes, I saw the film. It was a *film.*
The point I was making is that even the very best like to stack two to one. Even with the best training, planning, skills, gear, timing, teamwork. Even then, if they don't want to chance losing a guy, they'd choose to stack 2:1.
@@jamegumb7298 ... And that's without the fact the guy is walking down the middle of the street. It's suicide. Like I said; good cowboy scene but totally and nihilistically unrealistic.
I adore how he goes from a lackadaisical stroll in enemy territory and amps it up to calmly speedwalking while under fire.
In England, this is a shoot out. In Detroit, this is Tuesday.
hahahahahahaha 😂😂😂
In England, it's called the loo, in Detroit it's called the bathroom!😂😂
What if it happened on a Sunday?
True I can hear gunshots every day
wverything in America is bigger and better. Or worse.🧟♂️🧟♂️🧟♀️🧟♂️🧟♂️🕺🕺🕺
In my opinion one of the best shoot out scenes. No stupid music or over use of slow motion (or any in this case), great sounds effects. Excellent scene.
+TaZ101SAGA You never saw Heat then. Hands down best shoot out ever.
+120masterpiece I was going to mention heat as well. The two scenes have good sound as their common strong point. Imo
+120masterpiece In fairness, he did say "*one of* the best shoot out scenes". Whatever, you're right: 'Heat' is the best, no contest. This one here is pretty damn good as well, though.
GjVj Oh, true. My bad. This is a good scene. I find the tactics awkward but how they film it is good. Not many movies take a raw approach to filming shooting scenes like this or Heat.
+TaZ101SAGA LOL ...
He actually used a sling! I was military and that gets on my nerves in movies & games whenever somebody is carrying a rifle, they never use a sling. That is taking your sidearm out of the fight completely. Unless you just through your rifle down when you run dry, but that could dent your barrel, turning your rifle into an IED.
slings can also be used "Marine corps style" for being STEADY at distance.
@@red9man2130 You are correct!
I'm a veteran, as well(from Norway, back in 2003), where we were using the old H&K G3 7.62 cal, and we NEVER took off our slings, cause that's your life-line. Shoutout to you, fellow soldier! Did you serve over seas? I spent a year in afghanistan, but I didn't manage to get one of those taliban-effers. They usually just shot off some rounds from far away, and then ran off. No planned attacks, just fucking with us, I guess.
@@Smettli That's great that Norway was still using the full-power 7.62x51mm round so long after post-WW2 doctrine had trended to mid-power "short" rounds, which for NATO means 5.56x45. And you could do way worse than the G3... I mean sure, it's got the ergonomics of a brick, and doesn't lock-open when the mag is empty, but that innovative hexagonal chamber means it's both very hard to foul/jam with dirt, and also very hard to overheat. Had the semi-auto civilian HK91 version for many years. "Killed" many a wild washing machine at the junkyard with it. ;') Something tells me that Norway does not follow the Swiss model, and let you keep your service rifle for life... hmm, wonder if the Finns do?
@@Smettli bro stop acting like u were in the military
When it's realistic, you get surprised how quickly bullets run out.
Regardless The lack of irrationalism caused by stress and how The youths keep charging, The overall realism and brutality of this scene sends chills man.
Tell me who gets shot in the back and than continues to go foward while the other guys just stay there not finishing him of
Idk why so many people give this scene shit for unrealism...first off, for a movie this fire fight was more realistic than probably 99% of all other firefight movie scenes. The gangsters were the untrained drugged wannabe tough guys who just fired and sprayed, while the "veteran" did mag changes, shoot and scoot tactics, brass checks, reloads, aiming using sights and suppressive fire. honestly what more do you want from a movie? I loved it and found it an exciting and memorable scene
+IPilotheHATREDCopter I agree fully! The semi auto action, mag changes, etc. I really liked it! Some tactics weren't quite there, but after all he was after junkies and maybe wanted maximum vision against maximum coverage.
+IPilotheHATREDCopter Totally agreed, the semi-auto action and brass check alone sold me on realism...Only the casual stroll down main street at high noon kinda spoiled it a little for me...
+pn0304 When did he do the brass check?
+victorrain he brass checked before exiting his car. Also earlier in the movie he actually cleaned his gun, another thing you rarely see in movies
+IPilotheHATREDCopter Thanks, I thought he just chambered the round in the SigSauer.
Anyone else think the sound quality of this scene is amazing?
notice that too. it's perfect
Yeah. It sounds very accurate.
Was thinking of the same thing, Heat is the only other movie with this kind of superb sound quality.
The whole scene actually. Tactically, very accurate. Especially the scene where he kills the innocent.
yeah they actually sound like guns instead of power point sound effects
Not since Heat have I heard cinematic gunshots so loud and realistic
Believe me bro, it's louder.
+Ravage Glez Yeah, there are not many things that produce the decibels that a gun firing does, especially reapetedly. Quite literally deafening for some people.
I always loved the audio on that movie. Every time i watch the bank robbery shootout in Heat i get goosebumps because it sounds so real. This is the only gunfight in a movie that i think can keep up with Heat
You have a link? Because that sure wasn't this content.
Agreed
For an action movie I am impressed by how realistic they make this scene with the soldier using actual gun tactics like busts fire, suppressive fire, reloading techniques and movement to and from cover to overcome his untrained opponents. I also like the extra touch with the soldier abandoning his tactical ways at the beginning of the fight only to revert back to his more tactical ways when his instinct takes over in the face of danger. For those who don't know the context of this scene, the soldier is coming into this fight shortly after losing everything dear to him and his lack of motivation is reflected in his initial approach to this fight. But his training kicks in when danger forces him to act out of instinct and forget his suicidal intentions.
The "quietest" gun fight I ever seen. No people yelling, no background music, just get the job done, I love it. :)
I'm actually glad the writer/director decided to have an innocent woman die due to a mistake from the protagonist. It really brings home the true nature of violence. This isn't just some awesome bad-ass action. This is the true consequence of a gunfight. It turns something that is visceral and entertaining to something a sad and tragic.
I was thinking the same thing
i agree, i just wish all the shooters died though including that punk kid and the coward who had the kid shoot him at the end
shit happens and then you're the bad guy
That's sad but true.
The protagonist died because he didn't shoot through the door the second time, leaving an enemy behind the back.
This is honestly one of the best shootouts I've seen. Other than staying out in the open too much, moving slow, and lowering his rifle he actually uses some technique.
Rhodesia. my man!
Said the ex special forces special agent 000 !!
I'm not saying its smart to stand out in the open but I dont think this guy was trying to "win" only to set an example that you shouldn't fuck with people and to be honest I'd get the message.
I thought the exact same thing.
I noticed that! But it might be that he doesn't care anymore
The ending was just bad. Who shoots someone from behind and DOESN'T bother to look over his shoulder after? Makes little sense.
I think the fact that he is obviously incredibly well trained, but still makes the fatal mistake of killing a "non combatant", a single mother at that shows the true realty of "war". Even the best can make mistakes. And the fact that he doesn't "win" despite having far superior skills but being far out numbered shows reality as well. As much as I love the John Wick Movies (and their offshoots like "Extraction") and the fancy gun handling; this movie and ending just hits in a different way.
She didn't die from his mistake. She died from 1/2 her mistake to be there, and 1/2 her man's mistake to allow her to be there.
@@jimblair6458😢
Tell me how those black dudes won? The white soldier was highly trained 😂😂😂😂😂😂
This movie scene is BS (not in realism, but the fact that the former soldier lost)
To shoot a guy on fire, a very decent and human thing to do. He's a saint.
5:04
Did him a favor. Put him out of his misery.
Lmao i don’t know if we watched the same scene but he let him roast for a good couple seconds and you could tell he enjoyed it a tiny bit.
Waste of ammunition.
I wouldn't do the same. I'd let him burn, let him scream. Let him be a statement.
Toby kebbell is one of the most talented and underrated actors of hollywood the kind of performance he delivers in every film he should be recognised more by the huge studios and directors
man I have the same opinion
he was brilliant in deads man shoes
I always thight he was a Jonas brother when he started and didnt like him for it lol
Hollywood studios are full of cucks anyway.
Same here g.
Semi auto only?
You don't see that much in the movies anymore.
+Scarecrow You must have missed the last mag dump.....
True, but it goes for every other shot up till then
...he was spraying a guy like ten feet away after getting shot from behind. I don't know how those two seconds of screen time warranted a lecture about "US military doctrine"...
+Lestat3721 You are right about the M4A4/16 being issued as single or burst...but some guys got the M4A1 ( which is fully auto) and some of us got the new IAR (M27) which is a full auto free floating badass....best gun I ever had
+Lestat3721 that is only on the m16a4, the m4a1 features full auto fire
I don't really know anything about Military tactics but I have heard from a few army friends that this is one of the most realistic shootouts they have seen. Can I guess why and anyone with any knowledge of the subject tell me if I'm close?
00:35 Element of Surprise
1:28 1:40 1:47 Alternating High/Low cover
2:07 3:33 6:22 Changing/topping off the magazine whenever there is a break in the action
2:56 Lowest center of gravity/smallest target possible for being in the middle of a road
3:44 Moving forward whenever possible while laying down suppressing fire
4:04 Not taking any chances and shooting a few rounds in case anyone is hiding or standing where they can't be seen
5:09 Checking the corners before running into the middle of the hallway
5:14 (THE MISTAKE) letting yourself get distracted/emotionally upset from accidental friendly fire/collateral damage
5:43 Constant suppressing fire while moving forward so the bad guy can't do anything
5:48 Only switching to automatic fire in a dire situation/moment of panic after being shot to suppress the bad guy
5:56 Carefully timing his popping out to return fire so it is in a break in the normal timing that a person would pop out and shoot
6:19 Multiple shots to take down a bigger guy
6:26 FUCK! Becoming incapacitated from a horrific neck GSW...
Fantastic scene!
+tankmaster1018 In real life the bad guys are not going to instantly drop dead after they get hit with a single bullet, unless it's a direct shot in the head. Bad guys spraying full auto UZI gangster style was laughably unrealistic, especially that clown with a molotov. The ending scene was good though.
Tell your friend that they haven't seen many. While it is "more realistic" than the average Hollywood scene, it's not incredibly realistic at all, given that the character is supposed to be a war veteran. Contrary to II II, taking a rifle round (5.56 X 45mm as the guy uses) to the chest is enough to put anyone down. They deliver in excess of 1500kj of energy. Hitting someone in the chest with this pretty much means putting them down.
Apart from that, there's not a lot of realism here. For example at 1:12, the enemies are incredibly huddled up together, yet he only is able to land 1 shot. Also with a rifle, the favourable range and the training, he should have been able to mop up most of these crew members, who as you saw literally jumped out of cover. Although for many scenes, you see he walks around quite openly, and at 3:36 he doesn't even bother to lay suppressing rounds as he casually walks in front of enemy fire. There's a lot of mistakes here, and it would take a while to lay them out.
In real life the thugs would have ran away as soon as the fighting started. They're cowards through and through.
yeah, also 5.56 would pierce those covers of his enemies from such distance like hot knife through butter... also people don't die instantly after beign shot
1500kj is a lot of energy, but people don't die from single 5.56 bullet, that is total bullshit. Not going to go in to detail, but you can easily check internet for proof. There are enough conflicts in the world and enough technology available on the scene to get a "first person" view on such encounters
Lol this has to be the most racially diverse gang I've ever seen.
abc4781 ummmm in England? Of course its diverse you dimwit.
Peter Pan yep, England and racially diverse gang violence!!! Sounds like England 🏴
@AK Jay Exactly! Sad cause you would think wit all the porn related relationships plus so many years to learn from mistakes and everything...🤔
Yea where I'm from in america, even if a gang is slightly diverse, once you hit the big leagues and go to the pen, you better stick with your people where you belong.
Yea kudos to man dem foh their progressive views of ethnicity and inclusiveness
One of the Best and most real like shootouts i've ever seen in a movie.
No 1000 round magazines, no people flying around or making backflips when hit by a bullet just bodys sacking down and dropping, no hilarious gunfigth choreographys, accurate reloading and even the guns used by the gangsters are guns which are notorious for use in gangwarfare.
Very well done.
The effect of the ptsd on him had almost made him indifferent to what was going on around him.. Very true to life.
I overlooked through this minor detail, but noticed it this time. After killing the lady, his face did not flinch, there was no visible remorse or sadness on his face. Kind of shows that he has seen this shit before and knows how to handle it. This adds another layer to him being a veteran, that he is not just aware of the threats and dangers of bad guys, but knows how to quickly digest the loss of good ones too.
I mean fuck if you go around shooting bad guys you have to say fuck it if I miss sucks for that person to be in a ghetto neighborhood should have moved out 😂😂😂 soldiers mentality kill and keep moving forward so killing innocent by accident won't faze them or anybody with combat common sense basically everything is out of reaction and just training it's not like his civilian self is aware of it
3:58-4:07 gives me chills every time, this movie is brutally realistic.
The first time I ever saw this i said the same thing. Do the thing they least expect and fight into the ambush. Cover fire to keep heads down and go right into them.
@@thomass4471 yeah suppressive fire.
Slicing the pie under suppressing fire
17 kills, killed 16 gangsters...good job veteran.
I was pretty good with a TMP and Mac10 in CS 1.5 back in the day.
and he still died.
@@yokiryuchan7655 his KD ratio is 15:1 (accounting for his friendly fire ofc), I doubt you would be able to top that lmao
@@corvidconfidential8826like I said he still got killed in the end. As good as he was he was not unstoppable.
and you know it's not real right? It's a movie. He didn't actually kill those guys for real lol.
@@yokiryuchan7655 wait.... I'm pretty sure you're mistaken. This isn't a movie, I know for a fact it's real footage.
And yes, I was just making a humorous comment on his KD ratio as if it were a videogame, though explaining the joke kinda ruins it~
Always outnumbered, never outgunned. One of the most realistic shootouts ever.
Could be also true in real life
The most realistic gun sounds since Heat.
Thank you
Well that's a depressing way to end a movie, there aren't too many movies where the protagonist dies at the end
NateLB Depressing? It’s called true to life, that is what happens when you dispense death, it’s not like you get to go home and have a nice dinner.
Winner winner chicken dinner failed
@@gregflores8959 a scene can be true to life and be depressing at the same time, if you didn't know. It's not one or the other, it can be both
@@r3uvsgaming Whatever child, like you have learned a whole lot bout life playing your little video games,...
@@gregflores8959 Dude, video games don't got nothing on this. Things can be depressing and true to life. is that hard to understand?
I really enjoy how this scene has no dialogue whatsoever. It really adds to the tension.
*jumps out like a kangaroo, spraying full auto with an Uzi* MLG pro skills
Straight baller.
watch some syrian war footage and you will be surprised at how untrained combatants truly fight
+Buttered Toast You can tell the difference between a Mac and a Uzi.This gun has a very high rate of fire.Both Mac 11 and Mac 10 have 1200 r/m,the Uzi has only got 600 r/m.But it you could say there are another variants of the Uzi like the Mini or the Micro - each with a cadence of 950 and 1200. 950 bullets per minute and 1200 are almost the same,but if you hear closely enough you can surely tell the difference.And I think it was a Mac MP because it has its sound and the enemies had to reload it very fast due to the small standart mag of the Mac.But I couldn't see if it was an Mac 10 or 11.
+Aurea Ramos Maybe you can but I sure can't :p I don't know that much about guns but my sister's husband (a real war veteran) could teach me plenty if I ever wanted to learn :)
+Buttered Toast ☺ Well,it's only my opinion and of course he can tell you 100 times more about guns that I do.Good eve/day depending on how late it is in the state that you live in the U.S.☺Greetings from Germany and Spain!
I love how he casually walk slowly through shooting everyone , like its just another day at the office
PTSD will do that to you.
Rexor Mg He was a paratrooper and combat veteran. He probably had flashbacks of all the times he got back from deployment and some asshole used change to pay for groceries while he was waiting in line.
Goin postal
It was just another Tuesday for him
@@ratbatnufftime2861The truest statement on here
"It's not the size of the Gun
It's how we use it"
Is that Statham's Parker line?
That felt infinitely more realistic than most cinematic gun battles, but not sure how many dudes are going to run down a hallway with no cover as a guy is unloading on them with an automatic weapon.
Look at how Japan was WW2 they charged at marines when marines had lots of artillery to them which is why Japan soldiers were like Germans SS 😂😂😂 fight to the death even with no weapons
“The veteran”
*walks down the middle of the street *
My thoughts exactly. I could've dropped him in the street with my '42 Lee-Enfield lmao.
Capt. Killingfield Anyone could have with like any gun.
@@TJ-kj9ki probly not with those shakey pistols they were using, try shooting actual handguns....not very accurate compared with rifles
google plus sucks Thats because they were gangsters or something. They aren't allowed to have accuracy and control of a gun in movies. Yes rifles are easier to use but most (what I'm assuming mist had) .45 or 9mm are not that difficult to control if you have ever bothered to control it.
I think tbh he just didn't give a fuck. I mean he's gone into this firefight more like a kamikaze pilot than anything else because he had nothing left to lose
Never seen or heard of the film, is now a must watch! Brilliant shoot choreography; I haven't seen the rest of the film and yet I can understand what led the character on his "Taxi Driver-esque" killing spree. There are a couple of nods to "Taxi Driver," first when he's in the car and looking at himself in the rear view mirror, and when he is on the couch bleeding and mortally wounded. The director was clearly a fan of Scorsese.
Honestly this is the best scene in the movie, the rest of the movie was rather meh in my opinion
It there with Elephant
I honestly find the rest of the film to be quite the bore. Not sure why i stuck with it till the end but good damn I was glad I did.
the whole movie is a masterpiece
Movie starts off slow, picks up pretty quickly and gets cool, slows down a bit, then ramps up to 100 then to 1000.
This is one of the most realistic gun battles I've ever seen.
This is very accurate from what I see, I’m not military but from research, his tactics, form and reaction time etc, was on point. He even used a sling. Also, him getting shot and killed adds to the accuracy, usually the character survives a shootout like this, this proves nobody is bulletproof, you can still die no matter how great you are at gun ethics.
2:45 speaking as someone who is currently serving, it is pretty accurate. My only nitpick is that this moment, he should not be pointing the muzzle that far to ground, he’s a single man walking into hostile making a lot of noise. Should’ve been at the low ready or even ready up (this kinda goes against rules of engagement but I think at this point that’s kinda out the window). Main thing I like is he doesn’t chicken wing, tons of guys in action movies do this and it’s a huge pet peeve of mine.
I love the work put into this characters tactical choices
1: buys a rifle -
has no shoulder sling?
Used bicycle cord+
2: takes 2 mags straps em togeather+
3: actually reloads
(Lol)
*the sound design....so crisp grest gunshot sounds*
(in real life there would have been more if an echo)
*listen to the click on the safety selector **7:40*
4: doesn't waste ammo on full auto-
Fires on semi
(This is one of the only times I have seen a some one do this in a movie realistically)
Professional soldiers
Are trained to do this.
Other action movies can
Become silly when you realize
This. In the movie 13hours
They fire on semi also .
its got realistic tactical movement too.
Another is the movie
the lone survivor with Mark walberg
tho soldiers actually do use full-auto in close quarters. The movie was still really nice regardless.
Though he stole the rifle after starting to realize not everything was as his employers told him despite having to turn it in along with the other recovered rifles
He got this gun and ammo from corupted special force - governmant organisation which were conected with this mob and who killed woman who saved him.
Perfect action direction from start to finish. Plenty of establishing shots, fluid editing, a great sense of geography, and an outstanding sound mix. The movie itself is nothing to write home about, but this shootout sequence is nothing short of perfect on a technical and creative level.
There's a very clear message in the death of this protagonist. He was too in the zone when that door opened, he killed an innocent woman, got distracted, and his own PSTD cost him his life. That's why he sat down and accepted his fate. He decided he deserved what was about to happen.
Look how well collected he is throughout all this. Knowing at any moment he could die.
Thought I was watching a Punisher short
Damn this was badass
His stoic mannerisms remind me of Thomas Jane
That's Brazil on a slow day
@@neildrunkmaam7040 You are so right ! greetings from Peru.
Baby Yoda half my family is from there, visiting is like going on a deployment all over again
And this was Sparta on a busy one.
I like how he actually reloads unlike other movies where they shoot forever without reloading
Seems like most of the commenters have been in a real fire-fight..?
if you count CoD matches as real fire fights :P
What the hell was their end goal
No lol they're all just paintballer wannabes thinking they know tactics.
@@Taintedgod771 You broke down your camp while getting shot at?
CZcams comment section is constant battle, day in day out.
Appreciate how most of the gunshots are shown more as just puffs of smoke instead of flashes.
The guns are using blanks though of course, some at quarter some at half charge, especially indoors.
3:21 Miller almost quickly put the firebomb guy out of his misery, before realizing that the firebomb guy tried firebombing him. Then he let the guy burn for a few seconds.
Tony Kebbel is one of the most underrated actors today
This has got to be one of the most realistic firefights in a movie I've every seen
I always feel like this scene is a nod to the Punisher. He's solo, cold and calculated (for the most part), and then there's that swagger as he just strolls on in.
1:59 how he jumps around while shooting LOL
+yougonasorry I noticed that too. Gave me a good laugh.
+yougonasorry Better known as how to not hit a damn thing.
+yougonasorry hes testing his airmax
+yougonasorry not a smart way to shoot a gun
+yougonasorry He's like an excited 10 year old. "I'm telling my mommy on you".
Never underestimate how much a man can do with discipline and a rifle.
the realism of his body undergoing a reflex wherein it tenses up and shakes upon severe damage to the brain is absolutely astonishing. props to the crew and actor
For a budget of ~2 million these scenes are surprisingly well done with the choreographing, sounds, writing etc etc
Possibly less, the Producers pinched a load of it...
I remember the fist time I saw this movie. Every scene was given attention to detail, and despite never hearing of any of these actors/actresses, they were great. The whole "bungee sling" thing seems pretty realistic given the context and I tried out out for a while, although I'm unwilling to reveal the results here because I'm going to be doing a video on it and other carry methods. The sound design was great, as you can tell by this scene alone. I don't really have any complaints about this film. Excellent film making.
Cool scene. Realistically, there are very few instances where one should be at low ready in an active combat zone. Him being at low ready while pieing corners, and especially while clearing the stair well, was driving me wild. Still cool to watch none-the-less.
The tactical wannabes can't have their cake and eat it too
British soldiers are by far the best infantry on the planet. They have tons of combat experience accumulated from their colonies. They are taught to be speedy and aggressive and without mercy.
not to mentioned with any available resources their had like the Falklands war.
@@nazirulnaim5418 Indeed my boy! we are to be feared in battle!
lol our marines literally got the American ones surrendering in a training exercise
Some of the most badass and realistic gunfire sound effects in film history, specifically his AR-15. You can almost feel the hard-hitting thumping base every time he fire it. The other guns weren't nearly as realistic as that gun was, but still better than 95% of gun sound-effects in film and TV.
Surprisingly pure gunfight. Loved the raw sound effects. Veteran seemed to move a bit slowly, but it feels intentional to build tension leading into the final scene.
Dear billy...sometimes you just have to level a project
This reminds me of the ending of Taxi driver.... veteran who snaps and wipes the floor with some low lives
This scene is an excellent demonstration of why it isn’t enough to just have a gun but to know how to use it.
No lousy sound effects just natural sound. Fantastic.
Thank you. I worked hard to make it so. (bullet hits are sound Fx of course but otherwise it's all real)
In the first 45 seconds he was more useful to society than most cops.
This scene is already epic. If he had another buddy it would've added more bad-ass to the scene.
Even the bad guys displayed more sound tactics that John Wick's enemies.
That was one of the most realistic final death scene
GTA San Andreas Mission “Cleaning the Hood”
W A S T E D
Didn't expect the ending
For be it was clear from the start.
Guy looks so innocent but no doubt natural skills.
I greatly applaud how well Toby Kebbel locked in the "wary but totally confident" attitude. He knows full well he's dealing with dangerous, but stupid undertrained wannabe gangsters, and you see it in his walk.
Meandering about, somewhat keeping situational awareness aloof, knowing full well his enemy's only tactic is either A.) bum rush and wildly shoot B.) retreat and wildly shoot
Such a good representation of how a soldier in that situation would probably act. Alert, but not scared or threatened in the slightest because he knows his enemy and the tactics they'll use.
This is a great comment!
It's interesting watching this just after having watched Dead Man's Shoes, which was also Toby Kebbell's first film role. The two films share some similar themes, albeit they are quite different movies.
The woman who got shot helps underline something that was also touched upon in Dead Man's Shoes, namely the fact that both main characters aren't the "good guys", that nothing is black and white. Vengeance comes at a cost, whether to those who give in to it or the people around them.
Funny how that's the simple younger brother in Dead Man's Shoes! Great film that you should watch it if you haven't yet
This is how I though gran torino was gonna end, I did like the ending we got though.
gran torino was corny af, terrible acting, racist as shit
@@Petey0707 which proves you missed the point of the movie completely
@@Petey0707 you miss the entire point of the movie
@@Petey0707 then you don't have the brains to understand the movie
One nice touch to this scene that just occurred to me is that during his final reload attempt he is in a walking crouch to minimize his profile, yet this is what allows the young boy's shot to connect mortally, as opposed to a possible miss or shot to his hip/leg.
I'm not going to lie, I have been in a few shootouts myself by legal self defense and war, and this is by far the most realistic shootout that I have ever seen in film history.
this scene, and the fire fight in "Heat" are the best scene of shoot out ever recorded in a urban envoriment.
He is one of the Division agents lol
hahaha hard ive been playing it lately
hahaha hard ive been playing it lately
@F.u.c.k Go.ogl.e no it isn't
🤣🤣🤣
3:08 insurgency sandstorm bot
Never forget the moment he look in the back mirror of his car before he move out to do what he got to do .
This is def his best movie ever
First off, what do I know? I've never been in a firefight nor have I ever been a scenario that's remotely close to this whatsoever so take my comment with a pinch of salt of course. I've always found it really cool how they've made this scene seem more.....human
1- The Veteran is actually seen reloading multiple times unlike a decent amount of action movies where a 30 round mag somehow holds close to 200 rounds.
2-He's actually using select fire (semi auto if I'm not mistaken) when engaging these youth gangsters which is sensible considering that select fire is generally more favorable due to him being able to conserve ammo and being able to control recoil properly. Granted it does have it's uses such as during the scene at 5:48.
3-He's human. I'm glad they haven't gone with the "He's an army veteran so he is an unstoppable killing machine, one shot and the enemies go down etc" He is human after all and we clearly see that he does miss some of his shots ( whilst being shot at) and takes a few hits towards the end before actually dying.
4-The people he's fighting against are supposed to be child gangsters, not trained soldiers so it makes sense that they seem to lack some tactics and weapon handling. Also helps explain why he takes down quite a decent amount of them but gets outnumbered towards the end and thus dying. Linking this back to the "human aspect"
5- There aren't a lot of quick jump cuts to hide the transitions, camera is mostly stable and shows us clearly what is going on.
Just found that kinda cool xd
Hes a Combat Veteran, an even more amazing detail is that most soldiers are issued 210 Rounds which is around 7 Mags. before he switched to his sidearm he was actually on his last Magazine and after that he could ditch it with something else. Rifle had a Sling aswell
what is even more surprising is that the fact his ACOG ontop has an RMR mounted for close quarters which I assume is the optics he used the entire time.
Loved the actual Militarism they put into this movie and I wish other filming studios take notes from this for inspiration
Dramatic re-enactment of the Buffalo shooter.
nah this is how you clean the schoolyard from the bullies an the gangs
The ending was perfect. This IS the definition of a Greek tragedy. I haven't seen a movie like this in a very long time. At least, a movie that didn't suffer from a hero complex, as do most action movies tend to propagate.
A man conditioned to kill for his country, then finds out the truth as to what his country/corporation uses him for. Tries to right the wrongs that would have ultimately stayed with him for the rest of his life. Knowing that, in the end, he is just one man. One man who did everything in his power to stop the injustices that he perpetuated wittingly and unwittingly.
This is why in a twenty-four hour cycle, twenty-four U.S. soldier's take their own life. They know what they do is wrong, yet haven't the understanding as to why, as to what purpose their actions serve. The only difference here is, Bobby caught a glimpse of the truth; Acting accordingly, and truthfully, to himself.
"Fix reason firmly within her seat. Bring to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Boldly question even the existence of God. For if there be one, he must pay homage to that of truth, than of blind-folded fear." -Thomas Jefferson
Ah yes, Jefferson, a true hero of the American people. Also a slave owner, vicious rapist and bonafide racist. Great that you're quoting him.
Slow, cool-headed and methodical combat. Rare to see that in a movie.
The only thing I wish the director didn’t do is have that cliche “walk in the middle of the road slowly like a bad ass “ cliche . The lead is doing reloads, taking cover, advancing after suppression fire , hitting center mass or taking them out by the hips, and there’s no annoying score which adds to the tension... but slowly walking in the middle of the street instead of taking cover ruins it lol
I disagree I think the Director was trying to show the "burnout" of a Combat Soldier who realized His Society had turned to shit. That being said He did squander too much ammo on supression AND He should have ahd some Grenades.
A “burned out vet disgusted by what government has done to his home” would’ve made more sense if he was taking cover. He obviously wanted to cause maximum damage to the filth in his home. He was constantly ducking in and out of cover throughout the entire length of this scene , even after he was shot...hence why it didn’t make sense the only time he made himself vulnerable was in that particular scene where he was walking in the middle of the street . I still think the director either thought it was cool and/or intimidating.
Also Grenades would only make sense in clearing rooms once he went in the complex, but would run a massive risk on killing innocent people. This isn’t a city in Iraq cleared out of innocent civilians by marines, it’s a residence.
And suppressive fire is necessary on advancing a position if you are pinned down. When you shoot , people duck and obscure their line of sight, which allows you to advance to a new position. Hence why military squads have saws and support. Considering he’s by himself and was constantly pinned , he needed to do that to advance.
He should have had Atleast 8 magazines for his rifle and 4-6 for his pistol. But then again he had a death wish/might have not thought he was getting that far.
Regardless it was near flawless and well directed, researched , and choreographed.
If I remember in this movie. Mc was suicidal and gave up on life
I think it was a cinematic thing but there is some truth to it in the cases of soldiers walking in the middle of tight streets during a gunfight so they don't get hit by rocket propelled grenades that are likely to explode on impact with the wall.
If it were't for the criticism against the goverment and the war this movies would have probably been way more popular, still i believe it to be a masterpiece in its own right. I remember watching it for the first time i couldn't believe i found a b movie this good.
Lmao ,too many call of duty experts in the comments.
Joe L'Horri lmao y’all literally craft the name racist all by urselves
Most realistic shootout ever. Very grim as well. Love it
Just when I'm thinking "now it would be a good time to reload", he goes and reloads.
Something like this was how I was hoping Gran Torino would end
yep was hoping Clint had a thompson SMG in the basement eith some grenades!
love how the gun in the beginning goes from a CZ p09 to some beretta clone lols
Is that... The guy in Rock n Rolla?
Damn, I had never imagined the guy for a role like this, but I really need to see this movie now. The shootout itself was... Very good, honestly. Of course, movies being movies, they will always have some stuff to add to the action and tension for effect, but this was a fairly down to earth shootout. Impressive sound design, as well.
How come I have not heard of this movie? Sheesh, time to bring out the popcorn...
Old comment, but go watch Dead Mans Shoes if you want to be astounded. Toby Kebbell is the best actor you never heard of.
In Chicago and Detroit, this is just a regular day
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And then you woke up.
One of the best, most underrated movies of all time.
not just this scene, but the whole movie is a masterpiece
My daddy was a bank robber, he never hurt nobody
Wow. Unlike most action films, he ACTUALLY reloads.