Journey To CRNA School | ADN vs BSN
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- So you're planning on being a CRNA or maybe an ICU RN. What route is the best to take, your ADN or would it be better to go to a university and get a BSN? We'll talk about that today.
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I know this can be a sensitive subject for some so let's keep things civil and objective when discussing differences and similarities in training. What was your path to success and would you have done it differently?
@boltcrna, what if the ADN program isn’t accredited? Is that deciding factor to get accepted in crna school?
I did ADN since I was also 28 and didn't want to waste any time out of work not making money, wasn't the fastest route ever but it worked for me to do it in short pieces, now I'm in CRNA school, out of work and no money lol
Save save save! Spend less!
Here in Texas, I’ve personally seen many ADN new grads land specialty residencies even over some BSN applicants. Also, ADN programs here spend longer shifts on the floor during clinicals compared to BSN programs. It’s actually pretty common for nurses precepting to say that ADN students seem more prepared than BSN students. 🤷🏻♂️ just food for thought.
I graduated with a BSN, however, if it wasn't for the fact that I was fortunate enough to be on scholarship, I would've more than likely pursued the ADN route. I feel that the ADN route is much cheaper and gets you in the hospital faster which is huge if you're trying to fast track your way to an advanced degree. It also allows you to make money while pursuing your BSN! Not to mention most hospitals will pay for your BSN which can be completed online.
I know a few RN's who went to a community college for their ADN degrees and a lot of their clinicals were at smaller hospitals (not saying all ADN programs are like that) while my BSN program was able to go to larger hospitals for clinicals. So clinical-wise, there may be a gap in what you're able to experience in an ADN vs BSN program.
I feel that the ADN is the best bang for your buck, but if you're like me and just want to get your bachelor's out of the way, then the BSN might be better for you.
Do you know of any good online programs to get BSN if you have ASN ?
ADNs are practically free if you have good grades, then the hospital pays for your BSN. Win-win maaaang.
@@ericinmiami college dude
I just commented on this topic a viewer posted on Kaynen's video asking about if they should go get ADN or BSN...Glad you made an actual video.
Here's my main points...If someone wants, as you said, that "technical skill" crammed into 2 years and have a job definitely go ADN. I even broke it down in terms of years and pay.
Within about a year you can be making money, that is if you have the prerequisites done before hand(otherwise you're looking at 2 years total). Then go get your BSN. RN-BSN are mostly online now and cheap! (10 months to get it)
Same with RN-MSN and "skip" your BSN. Hospitals will pay for it, even better if you work for a University hospital.
Think about it this way...you can be making a living and have 2 years experience before others in a BSN even start working until after their 4 years. Also, most hospitals still only pay the same base pay for a ADN and a BSN new grad. At least here in Alabama. And here it is easier to be a new grad ADN and get the ICU job. There's so many jobs and no real competition from others for the same job, compared to a bigger city.
I don't know about you but I'd rather have 2 years experience, plus a raise during that time and little to no debt, even a BSN paid for within the same 4 years as a recent BSN graduate. 🤷♂️
Lastly, say you want to go to CRNA school. That's 3 years and more programs are requiring a minimum 2 years of experience with 1 being in critical care....so you'll be making CRNA pay in 7 years versus 9 years over the BSN new grad.
That's potentially 140,000(average pay) x 2 years= 280,000 as a CRNA in the same 9 years if you take the ADN route with no debt at the end of 9 years. (First year can potentially pay off CRNA school or possibly the job you get will pay off your schooling, which is rare) Bolt, you'll have to correct me on that, if some of your potential job offers have mentioned they would do that for you.
Now granted, this is all in comparison to 2 students getting into nursing school at the same time, and that ADN student getting that ICU job right after graduation and getting accepted in a CRNA program. All without extra classes or being put on a waiting list or "life" happens 🤷♂️
Long story short you'll be ahead of the game over that BSN new grad by 2 years.
9 years= 4 years(BSN)+2 years experience+3 years CRNA school.
7 years= 2 years(ADN)+2 years experience and can get BSN during the same years+3 years CRNA school.
Hope this helps for some to put it into their own perspective to fit their needs! 🤙
Great job crunching numbers and stats like this!
@@BoltCRNA I tried to explain it in a broken down version best I could without actually doing a video of options. Lol.
It really should be up to a person and their needs on which route they should take. If you're in 30's and a second career obviously you're needing to work so the ADN would be the best choice. That what worked me 🤷♂️
Murse Talk thanks for that perspective 🤔
Thank you! This gave me a clearer perspective in the direction that would be better for me to do!
Amazing thank you sooo much I needed this. ADN it is. I’m Already a pharmacy tech at UCSF so I’ll network and volunteer to get my foot in the door on ICU floor after my ADN program. 🤞🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Great info here guys thanks!
I went with the ADN and can relate to the first guy. I was 29 years old when I decided to go back to school and had a science degree already so I only had to retake physiology & algebra because it was over 10 years old but after that I got right in the program. I think it was the best choice for me because as mentioned I’ll be able to get my BSN online and paid for by the hospital I work for. If I was younger without a family and if it was my first degree I do think I would’ve went straight through to BSN. I also live in a small area where most nurses hired have an ADN. Plus I already worked as an aide/tech there and floated to the ICU plenty times as nurse aide/tech.
David, cool, PO to RN! I was a public safety officer, (LEO, Paramedic, FF ) before getting my RN. Yep, worked steady 3-11 on the road and when to Nursing School during the day and "wrote with a pen" care plans all night. Then ICU and straight to the helicopter! Accepted to anesthesia school but in the end decided it wasn't for me, except for the $$$. In the end I'm happier and love flying! Just like passin gas, flying is 99% boredom intermixed with 1% sheer terror!
In Wyoming, there’s only one university, but a bunch of community colleges. There’s a statewide BSN program offered at all of the community colleges here. You take a semester of pre-reqs (a year is recommended for the BSN pre-reqs), then apply to a two year nursing program to get your ADN, then complete your BSN online by taking leadership and theory classes for your fourth year. So if you’re getting your BSN from a community college in WY, you have the same clinical experiences as the ADN students. The only differences between the ADN and BSN are a few more science classes and that fourth online year.
It sounds like they have done a good job at integrating the programs and setting it up to encourage everyone to easily finish their BSN.
I attended an ADN program because it was convenient for me, I'm now in my last yr of NP school. I attended school in my area for my BSN and my NP.. I'm thinking of getting my doctorate but I'll ne 47 when I graduate as a NP next yr. I've always wanted to be a CRNA but I dont have ICU experience and I'm afraid it's too late.. I have worked in a level II trauma center for the past four years with a yr and half on a cardiac post open heart unit... I believe in ADNs but I advocate for them to obtain their BSN.
I started my ADN program last fall (2018) right after I graduated high school and it was personally the better choice for me. I took most of my prereqs in high school, and the school where I am attending nursing school offered those classes for free to all high school students. Getting my ADN first allows me to get through nursing school in 2 years and then work for 2 years while getting my bachelors at the same time. I will have my BSN plus 2 years of experience when BSN students will just be graduating. I have been told in clinical that they like ADN students better because they are more advanced technically. We have done rotations at several large hospitals, including a level 1 hospital. There are a ton of hospitals around me that hire new grads in the ICU, so I should have a good shot of getting in right out of school. Awesome video as always! Congrats on almost being done with school! I can't wait to be in your shoes someday!
It sounds like you've worked out just the right path for you! I'm always surprised when I talk to new grad nurses who are starting off in the ICU and are only 20 years old. I was still just trying to get enough responsibility down to study for microbiology at 20 years old, couldn't imagine being responsible for critically ill patients at that age. I felt young and in over my head in the ICU at 24 when I graduated nursing school. I admire you guys who mature so quickly.
@@BoltCRNA I’ve had my “roadmap” to CRNA school planned out since before my senior year of high school! I have a page in my notes app on my phone of what classes I’m gonna take and when, also when I want to get a certain certification, etc. I know it’s gonna be tough being 20 years old starting in the ICU, and I know I’m gonna have people say “you’re too young” etc., but I’m excited for the challenge. Thank you for making videos on CZcams and giving advice on Instagram, it has really given me the confidence to go for it, even though it’ll be extremely hard!
Which hospitals hire new grad adn's for icu in your area?
@@lm1534my I live in Oklahoma. The hospitals around my area that hire new grad ADNs in the ICU are OU Medical Center, Mercy Hospital, the Oklahoma Heart Hospital, and Saint Anthony's Hospital.
Justin Fairchild This sounds like a really good road map. Am curious how you learnef about crna school and got so focused on the path so early? Do you have a family member who laid out the plan or was was this more of self-research? Way to go!
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Hello Bolt CRNA, I was just curious as to what age ranges you have in your CRNA programs. You guys seem relatively young and I’m 36 and about to finish ADN program and then my BSN program starts right after I pass NCLEX. I plan to do Medsurge than move to ICU and that might take me into my early 40’s, so I’m asking if you have fellow students that are around that age and doing well. Thanks for your input and congrats on completing the program. You are definitely a huge inspiration that keeps me looking forward. Thanks
There were definitely students in their 40's in our class.
Thanks for the video
Similar to David I am a 2nd profession wannabe. 9 years United States Navy and saw the light of CRNA. Dominated my prereqs to get accepted into a top BSN program. It is an accelerated program, in and out in 4 straight semesters: summer to summer. Attempting to maintain 4.0 to get an ICU precep (i think only 2 avail) as my cohort is quite competitive at my university. Looking to fast track and only do 2 yr in the ICU. I believe a while back you put out a video about that 2 years in the ICU and how you should be preparing to get accepted for CRNA school, may have to look back and take some advice from that one. Thanks Bolt
High Seize You sound motivated and determined! You’ll do great with that attitude.
@@BoltCRNA It certainly helps to have guidance from those, such as yourself, who have done it before.
High Seize Did you have your ADN before you applied to this BSN program? I never heard of a BSN program which can be completed in one calendar year? If so, thats amazing
@@lesliek7776 no ADN, only pre reqs. 4 straight semesters is a year and 3 months.
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I’m in an ADN program and I showed a nurse every Tuesday 6am-3pm my first semester on the neuro floor
Graduated from ADN (RN-BSN currently) and got hired straight into Trauma ICU. However I was a tech before on same unit
Congrats, that's awesome!
James Perry How much do you think it made a digference for you to have alreasy been a tech on an ICU unit before graduating with your ADN? And about how long you worked on that unit prior to ggetting hired as a nurse? This seems like a great way to get hired on.
I know nothing about nursing but i just want to do it....either way i dont want to see triggering injuries....thus why am choosing ADN...i think if i get to know much more about it i will get a BSN....this is a decision i have to make within this month cause starts March 2022... please help me @Bolt CRNA am i doing the right thing???? Advice me please
I just finished my ADN during the spring and was able to get an ICU position. I will say several of my class mates were unable to get into critical care. During the next year I’ll be able to finish my BSN which the hospital is helping pay for while also getting my ICU experience for CRNA school. ADN is certainly not a bad option, it’s a little cheaper and a little faster. However, I would check out the attrition rates of any ADN program before enrolling. Technical school generally have less resources especially for nursing students and that means more student fail the program. My program had just over a 50 % attrition rate and looking back I wish I had known that before choosing it.
If you have a family you help support, it's quite practical to do an ADN so you can be earning sooner. At least that way, even if you do jump into a RN to BSN program right away, you can work part time.
That's a good point, if you need money ASAP like for a family the ADN will get you to a paycheck faster.
Love your channel Bolt, ever wanted to do a video about paying for/getting paid in CRNA school by joining the ARMY? I’m in my first semester of CRNA school here in Alabama and words can’t describe the financial burden that has been lifted off of my shoulders.
They are giving me a stipend and I can apply for loan repayment before school is done, and I’m only doing reserves! I’d love to assist in any way I can if you are interested
Did you go through ROTC or did you just get the actual Medical scholarship the ARMY offers without having to commit to drills etc. until you're done with school?
I know the NAVY has a NCP program.
Murse Talk very similar to your second statement, no ROTC, the ARMY offered me direct commission as a 1st Lieutenant and admission into a program called STRAP, this is the same kind of program that people in Med School go into with ARMY commitment in mind. In the STRAP the ARMY gives me a monthly stipend while in CRNA school so I don’t have to work/take out loans for more than tuition purposes.
For every 6 months that I get a stipend, I owe the ARMY 1 year of service in the reserves. I’ll owe 6 years at the end of school(this is very different if you go active duty) and I can apply to have my loans paid back by the ARMY as well.
You are right, no drill till I’m out of school, and it’s one weekend a month with two weeks of training a year. Drill for CRNA’s is getting to practice anesthesia, often in a facility near the me and if I get deployed (most likely medical people will), deployments are usually 90 days
Does this help/answer your questions?
Thank you for bringing this up! I actually have a classmate who is doing the STRAP Program. I've been trying to convince him to come on camera and talk about it but he's camera shy.
Bolt SRNA I wouldn’t mind lol I’d feel like a celebrity! I’m relatively close to Tenn if you wanted to set up an interview, I’m happy to email info about the STRAP as well.
@@treybishop3557 yes. I couldn't remember the actual program they have. I know about the drill commitments. Among other military stuff. Mostly the Marines. 🤦♂️ lol. Just couldn't for the life of me remember if there was a program similar to HPSP.
I would say the reserves are a good choice so you can still work as an RN and make that money compared to active duty but you could go active and just Per Diem off the base. 🤷♂️
I think Bolt should have you on a video or the information on your specific program 👏 it would greatly help others to look at options for reducing the debt!
Where did you go to school at in Alabama??
I started CNA, then LVN, then ADN. I'm content. I might do BSN, but I hate school loans. I rather work and invest. I have two kids and they are my focus now.
I understand this is a controversial topic but here is my opinion: I strongly support the BSN as the entry into practice. Why? Because research supports higher levels of education results in better outcomes. Based on my personal experience with ADN-prepared there is a knowledge deficit on research and application of system knowledge. These are NOT fluffed classes but provides the BSN-prepared or higher nurses the ability to make system changes and the healthcare system needs system changes NOT just technical skills. It is about higher expectations for nurses and we should adopt the Canadian model. Registered Nursing = BSN or higher and Practical Nursing = ADN or less. It is not right to allow shortcuts through healthcare when "safety" is a priority. I know this is a controversial topic but it is worth having in 2019. Great Channel. Congrats on your success and great channel.
I disagree, I’m an ADN nurse and got straight into a trauma 1 CVICU. For nurses reading this comment you don’t have to go into Med-Surge if you don’t want to. Apply to those specialties and remember if your new or a experienced nurse you will feel new and have to learn regardless how things go on the unit.
Also my program was inexpensive and the hospital is paying for my BSN. So ADN is cheaper and you can be going into a graduate program with no debt depending on your financial situation.
What does CRNA stand for
Certified R N Anesthetist. Google
Can you clarify your English? Not everyone uses your local vernacular like “tight”. You said “nursing jobs in California are tight” what did you mean by that? Jobs are good? Bad? Limited?
Limited, hard to come by, not many openings