The autofocus on my copy is reliable, and the sound is buzzy and noticeable in the audio, but nothing like the horrible noise that yours is producing, it’s actually a totally different noise. I wonder if it’s a quality control issue, or firmware or something.
I am very happy with my TTartisan 27mm!! It is MUCH sharper than the Sony 16mm F2.8 SEL16F28, 20mm F2.8 SEL20F28 and even the 35mm F1.8 SEL35F18. I had several of these Sony lenses that I now consider to be rubbish for having even less sharpness than the 16-50 OSS lens.
This is exactly the comment I needed to see as I am literally just beginning my photography journey (Just got an a6100 w/ kit lense for $300) and was comparing the Sony 20mm, to this TTartisan 27mm. Definitely leaning towards the TTartisan, Would u say the Sony 20mm has any clear advantages or is it just not worth it when compared to the TTasrtisan?
@@DoubleA0319 The Sony 20mm F2.8 SEL20F28 manages to be worse in sharpness than my SEL1650 kit lens at 20mm. I consider this lens completely obsolete. If you want compact lenses, you have the TTArtisan 27mm, Samyang 24 and 35mm, both F2.8.
I have got both, I love 27mm ttartisan so far better than the 30mm Sigma. Compact, sharp with swirly bokeh, silent and I miss only a few images. Its bnw is contrasty and very pleasant
Great review, thank you. A 40mm full frame equivalent is of real interest to many, and being a pancake design is awesome. I have the super sharp Kamlan 28mm f1.4 (but its too heavy at 384 grams and I am selling it). If auto focus performance is challenging, then the TTartisan might not be a good choice for fast moving street photography. However, if your subject allows you time to adjust focus then no problem. Having an aperature ring is always a plus. This could be a great backpacking option as the lens is light and compact. The angle of view is useful for landscape and campground shots.
I have this on a Fuji XT30 and it works great with the latest firmware. Focusing is fast and reliable. It definitely flares but you can see it in the viewfinder and recompose in order to eliminate it easily enough. Sometimes if you just change the angle of the shot a little bit that does the trick. The vignette is evident wide open but easy to remove in post if it doesn't suit. Apart from that the picture quality is good and it is definitely worth the price.
A minor point but my number 2.8 has the merest hint of blue paint and the red A is a little feint tbh. I quite like the 'characterful' vintage style vignette and swirly bokeh, but I really love that it's a small prime lens that's ideal for travel photography.
I've been waiting for a review on this lens. Just wish they fix the ghosting which is on all their lenses and maybe update the AF. I'm really disappointed with Sony for still not releasing a compact quality 23mm F2 (35mm FF equivalent) or 18mm F2 (28mm FF equivalent) for APS-C that rival the size and performance from the Leica CL and Fuji. We need more quality pancakes for Sony APS-C badly. Id even be happy with an update of the Sony 20mm 2.8. I hate how the current version renders, it's about time for some APS-C lenses Sony, come on.
I want to see next a 23mm f/1.8 AF and small, similar to the new Nikkor 24 f/1.7. Please. And if it has also an aperture ring...many of us will be all over it!
I do have to say that the TTArtisan lenses (some of them) are quite impressive for what you pay for them. I have one of their manual focus 7.5mm fisheyes which isn't bad at all considering it too was $150 and works with the new NIkon Z cameras. Yes it's not the sharpest out there and has to be stepped down a bit, but for $150 to play around with a fisheye is dirt cheap. Even the next best thing from say Laowa is about $450. But the fact that they made a halfway decent 27mm auto focusing lens for $150 is a good deal, and I might get one along with an a6000 for a cheap street camera setup (so I can leave my expensive FF cameras at home). I actually had thought about getting an a6000 anyway just to play with some of the E-mount lenses that are out there from various mfrs, even though Nikon is my primary brand of choice (and what my camera kit is), but there aren't nearly as many lenses for Nikon in general as there are for the Sony E mount...
You can get a black Nikon Zfc, and put a TTA 27/2.8 AF onto it...there's a Z-mount version, also with matching silver aperture ring... E-Mount users: Update the lens firmware to latest 2.0.2 ! X-Mount version is (still) at 1.1.1 level.
People just don't see how good, vintage and 3d pop this lens bring, it is distinguish, something very special if you re after film like style. It is easily beat 1st party lens in that regard.
Always like watching your vids on gear I'm looking to buy because I see so many familiar places. Really need to get back out to Enchanted Rock/Fredricksburg. Been a while and really great area.
I got the viltrox 23mm on sale it’s been my go to on my a6400 for whatever I’m doing photography. This one looks cheap, I’d buy into it if I was just starting out.
This is actually fashioned after the Fuji 27mm 2.8. While that performs slightly better all around, it's also metal and a smidge thinner. Not worth the $400, personally, but Fuji is the poor man's Leica when it came to their prices. I'd just look for a used Fuji copy. Now, TT doing this has ushered in at least one other pancake lens for Nikon Z and Sony E. It is so hard to find a pancake lens with even decent optics and somewhat fast aperture. I have a TTartisan 35mm 1.2 manual all metal lens that is on 90% on my Nex-6. It barely exceeds past the grip and so tiny. I could see myself using this for an AF replacement for the Sony. I may get the Fuji one for my Fuji if I decide I like this one enough.
the only thing i dislike about this lens is how loud is the autofocus. I mainly use the lens for filming and you can hear the it focusing. other than that its a very good lens.
@@prestonsmith8205 sharpness is not main criteria for me. Size, autofocus motor and overall quality is more important. Sharp image don't help slow motor and missing focus.
@@alexeyk116It seems you are saying the Sony 20mm, f2.8 has faster and more accurate auto focus than the 27mm TTartisan, which of course is very important for an auto focus lens. I like a sharp lens but In terms of comparing corner sharpness I’m one who is not meticulously examining whats going on over there, (except in group photos that is). The barrel distortion is something I value and controlling it is always a challenge for tiny lenses at this focal length. How does the barrel distortion of the TT lens compare to the Sony?
Love the vintage vibes on this lens. I hope TTArtisan eventually does something of a brighter long-standard, but one which leans into the vintage character. Something like a 40mm f/1.5 that copies a Biotar lens design like the swirly 58/2 classic lenses from Zeiss Jena or the Helios 44. Getting AF and modern aperture control on a vintage-style optic which is "flawed" but full of character would be a neat option. There's lots of great affordable sharp lenses, but this TTArtisan has a different texture to it, and I'd love to see them follow up on that.
How does the image quality compare to the other Sony APS-C pancake lenses? Of course not as sharp as the sigma but what about the Sony 20 f2.8 or the Sony 16 f2.8. I’m looking for a compact setup for travel and want something with better image sharpness than either of those or the kit lens. Is this the lens for me?
I can tell you with absolute certainty that this lens is sharper than both the Sony 16mm (which is garbage) and the Sony 20mm (which is slightly better garbage).
Some sample shots: SNAAAAAKE! And the next image is a little boy in shorts... that's terrifying! But the review is great as always Arthur! Cheers from Moscow!
May I add the Rokinon/Samyang 24mm 2.8 as a contender? I have the sigma 30mm 1.4 (Sharper and better quality for sure), but I love the look tha the Samyang gives on my Sony A6000. Plus It is a FF lens if you have both systems.
I want to love mine but the aperture ring is a lil funky. When i manually set it to f4 on the lens, camera reads it as f3.5. Also another weird thing is when the ring is set to f/16, i can change the aperture using camera body. I am shooting with a sony a6000 and i am just wondering is anyone has/had the same issue. Thanks!
Im not camera savvy at all soooo....Ques: would I have more, and less expensive, f2.8 options if I went to an A-mount lens on my newly acquired NEX 5t? I currently have the 3.5f kit lens, but my indoor shots are always dark. (I don't have $500 for the Sigma f2.8 18/50 E-mount lens).
@KaioshinAemi I’d imagine your 28mm, f2, Sony would be better at autofocusing then this lens, which seems loud, slow, and inaccurate from time to time.
First of all,congratulations for your channel. Frecuently I have a look to check your wise and well structured analysis for Sony APS-C cameras. Related to this I fully understand analysis on Viltrox, TTartisans etc lens as far as they, more and more, offer a reasonable quality at an unbelievable price. Having said that, for a number of reasons, I avoid buying lens from this asian country and go for other options, e.g. vintage lens plus adapter: you can get a bunch of lens, focal length range wise, at the price of a single new lens of these manufacturers, with a quality result better or indistinguishable for amateur use. On top of that you get the additional pleasure of seeking for those lens and combine an analogic lens with a mirrorless camera. It is another way to enjoy photography, cheaper, challenging and ecologic. Thank you.
That AF should not have been released to the market. Hard pass from me. Not a fan of these cheap and cheerful Chinese lenses. Native Sony glass is best AF in my experience and plays best with IBIS.
The world needs more pancake lenses, happy to see another enter the ring. Thanks for the video
The autofocus on my copy is reliable, and the sound is buzzy and noticeable in the audio, but nothing like the horrible noise that yours is producing, it’s actually a totally different noise. I wonder if it’s a quality control issue, or firmware or something.
We are really getting to the point of having apsc setups that cost significantly less than a phone.
Uh you can already get a basic APSC setup costing significantly less than a phone. A flagship phone that is.
And significanthly better!
@@NathanElcoate nah man
Significantly better was 5 years ago
Now apsc is just 'better'
@@-MrEVIL- Still better than a phone. My Sony A6300 outshoots my S22 Ultra by a long way.
@@NathanElcoate better, not much better though
Using Xiaomi 13 ultra rn
I will be going to the a7iv straight skipping apsc
Dear Arthur, this Is the second AF lens from TTartisan, the first one is the 32mm f/2.8 for Nikon Z Full Frame. Great reviews from you by the way!
The AF sounds like my sleep-apnea 😅
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Man that was too funny 😂
I am very happy with my TTartisan 27mm!! It is MUCH sharper than the Sony 16mm F2.8 SEL16F28, 20mm F2.8 SEL20F28 and even the 35mm F1.8 SEL35F18. I had several of these Sony lenses that I now consider to be rubbish for having even less sharpness than the 16-50 OSS lens.
This is exactly the comment I needed to see as I am literally just beginning my photography journey (Just got an a6100 w/ kit lense for $300) and was comparing the Sony 20mm, to this TTartisan 27mm. Definitely leaning towards the TTartisan, Would u say the Sony 20mm has any clear advantages or is it just not worth it when compared to the TTasrtisan?
@@DoubleA0319 The Sony 20mm F2.8 SEL20F28 manages to be worse in sharpness than my SEL1650 kit lens at 20mm. I consider this lens completely obsolete. If you want compact lenses, you have the TTArtisan 27mm, Samyang 24 and 35mm, both F2.8.
If it's better than the costly Sony 20mm I'll buy this ttartisan for sure
The vignetting is so extreme its almost artistic
I have got both, I love 27mm ttartisan so far better than the 30mm Sigma. Compact, sharp with swirly bokeh, silent and I miss only a few images. Its bnw is contrasty and very pleasant
Great review, thank you. A 40mm full frame equivalent is of real interest to many, and being a pancake design is awesome. I have the super sharp Kamlan 28mm f1.4 (but its too heavy at 384 grams and I am selling it). If auto focus performance is challenging, then the TTartisan might not be a good choice for fast moving street photography. However, if your subject allows you time to adjust focus then no problem. Having an aperature ring is always a plus. This could be a great backpacking option as the lens is light and compact. The angle of view is useful for landscape and campground shots.
I have this on a Fuji XT30 and it works great with the latest firmware. Focusing is fast and reliable. It definitely flares but you can see it in the viewfinder and recompose in order to eliminate it easily enough. Sometimes if you just change the angle of the shot a little bit that does the trick. The vignette is evident wide open but easy to remove in post if it doesn't suit. Apart from that the picture quality is good and it is definitely worth the price.
Compare with the 20mm sony pancake please Arthur
no need , 20 vs 27 is totally different, and sony 20mm sucks
A minor point but my number 2.8 has the merest hint of blue paint and the red A is a little feint tbh. I quite like the 'characterful' vintage style vignette and swirly bokeh, but I really love that it's a small prime lens that's ideal for travel photography.
thaks for your time , will be interesting one comparing this objetive with sony 20mm f2.8 pancake , thanks a lot
I would love that Arthur 😊
I've been waiting for a review on this lens. Just wish they fix the ghosting which is on all their lenses and maybe update the AF. I'm really disappointed with Sony for still not releasing a compact quality 23mm F2 (35mm FF equivalent) or 18mm F2 (28mm FF equivalent) for APS-C that rival the size and performance from the Leica CL and Fuji. We need more quality pancakes for Sony APS-C badly. Id even be happy with an update of the Sony 20mm 2.8. I hate how the current version renders, it's about time for some APS-C lenses Sony, come on.
Agree with you
Its a nice package. Maybe come back in a year to check if the autofocus issues are resolved by firmware updates (?)....
I want to see next a 23mm f/1.8 AF and small, similar to the new Nikkor 24 f/1.7. Please. And if it has also an aperture ring...many of us will be all over it!
They made a lens that purrs? I’m in!
would like to see a review on the 24mm f1.4 form 7Artisans.
Its great, sounds like a croc 🐊 😂. The snake you found was scary though. I’m a sucker for small cameras and small lenses
The autofocus sounds like a hyperactive woodpecker. Good first effort though. I hope they also make an 18mm f/2.8 AF.
I do have to say that the TTArtisan lenses (some of them) are quite impressive for what you pay for them. I have one of their manual focus 7.5mm fisheyes which isn't bad at all considering it too was $150 and works with the new NIkon Z cameras. Yes it's not the sharpest out there and has to be stepped down a bit, but for $150 to play around with a fisheye is dirt cheap. Even the next best thing from say Laowa is about $450. But the fact that they made a halfway decent 27mm auto focusing lens for $150 is a good deal, and I might get one along with an a6000 for a cheap street camera setup (so I can leave my expensive FF cameras at home). I actually had thought about getting an a6000 anyway just to play with some of the E-mount lenses that are out there from various mfrs, even though Nikon is my primary brand of choice (and what my camera kit is), but there aren't nearly as many lenses for Nikon in general as there are for the Sony E mount...
You can get a black Nikon Zfc, and put a TTA 27/2.8 AF onto it...there's a Z-mount version, also with matching silver aperture ring...
E-Mount users: Update the lens firmware to latest 2.0.2 ! X-Mount version is (still) at 1.1.1 level.
5:22 AF noise sounds like starting a lawn motor. Having said that, it looks like a good buy.
It’s sooo small! If that autofocus wasn’t crap, I’d buy this immediately
1:40 I love how DJ Optical is like a ft. artist 😂
People just don't see how good, vintage and 3d pop this lens bring, it is distinguish, something very special if you re after film like style. It is easily beat 1st party lens in that regard.
In terms of pancake lenses, I love the Sony 20mm f2.8 but a refresh would be nice.
Always like watching your vids on gear I'm looking to buy because I see so many familiar places. Really need to get back out to Enchanted Rock/Fredricksburg. Been a while and really great area.
Too bad about the AF inconsistencies.
Sounds like a great lens otherwise
what settings you have in your sony, cuz your in your pictures the color look super good??
Get the mini AF samyang 35 or 24 instead
Thanks.
I got the viltrox 23mm on sale it’s been my go to on my a6400 for whatever I’m doing photography. This one looks cheap, I’d buy into it if I was just starting out.
This is actually fashioned after the Fuji 27mm 2.8. While that performs slightly better all around, it's also metal and a smidge thinner. Not worth the $400, personally, but Fuji is the poor man's Leica when it came to their prices. I'd just look for a used Fuji copy. Now, TT doing this has ushered in at least one other pancake lens for Nikon Z and Sony E. It is so hard to find a pancake lens with even decent optics and somewhat fast aperture. I have a TTartisan 35mm 1.2 manual all metal lens that is on 90% on my Nex-6. It barely exceeds past the grip and so tiny. I could see myself using this for an AF replacement for the Sony. I may get the Fuji one for my Fuji if I decide I like this one enough.
the only thing i dislike about this lens is how loud is the autofocus. I mainly use the lens for filming and you can hear the it focusing. other than that its a very good lens.
Good start, but 20mmf2.8 still best pancake king for sony apsc.
Sony APSC system needs F2 pancakes, not f2.8
Do you think the sony 20mm 2.8 would be sharper than this one?
No. not even close.
@@prestonsmith8205 sharpness is not main criteria for me. Size, autofocus motor and overall quality is more important. Sharp image don't help slow motor and missing focus.
@@alexeyk116It seems you are saying the Sony 20mm, f2.8 has faster and more accurate auto focus than the 27mm TTartisan, which of course is very important for an auto focus lens. I like a sharp lens but In terms of comparing corner sharpness I’m one who is not meticulously examining whats going on over there, (except in group photos that is). The barrel distortion is something I value and controlling it is always a challenge for tiny lenses at this focal length. How does the barrel distortion of the TT lens compare to the Sony?
Nice trip to Fredericksburg !
Yes it was!
Really like this lens for my Fuji xs10 - added a Fotasy 39mm Metal Curved Lens Hood - was under $7 on Amazon
Does this lens have a lens profile for lightroom to correct distortion and vignetting?
I'm not an onion ring guy but that burger looked amazing!
This looks very tempting but the sound it makes while auto focusing is a bit of a let down if I use to film with it ):
Love the vintage vibes on this lens. I hope TTArtisan eventually does something of a brighter long-standard, but one which leans into the vintage character. Something like a 40mm f/1.5 that copies a Biotar lens design like the swirly 58/2 classic lenses from Zeiss Jena or the Helios 44. Getting AF and modern aperture control on a vintage-style optic which is "flawed" but full of character would be a neat option. There's lots of great affordable sharp lenses, but this TTArtisan has a different texture to it, and I'd love to see them follow up on that.
Thanks for doing all this it helps
Can we skip the autofocus and just use it in manual focus ?
looks cool for the price, i have the 35mm 1.8 sony, this might be better than my kit lens in some cases.
only $149? aps-c? 27mm? f2.8? ttartisan is really doing well!!!
Thank you for the review
NOT EXITED AT ALL FROM MONTREAL ,TKS FOR YOUR EXCELLENT WORK,SUGGESTION ADD THE SPECS OF THE PHOTOS YOU ARE SHOWING US.THANK YOU AGAIN GOOD JOB
5:21 I thought you were trying to start your lawnmower.
How does the image quality compare to the other Sony APS-C pancake lenses? Of course not as sharp as the sigma but what about the Sony 20 f2.8 or the Sony 16 f2.8. I’m looking for a compact setup for travel and want something with better image sharpness than either of those or the kit lens. Is this the lens for me?
I can tell you with absolute certainty that this lens is sharper than both the Sony 16mm (which is garbage) and the Sony 20mm (which is slightly better garbage).
@@ArthurRLol!😂
Can u make another review with new firmware? Any update and improve with AF?
Loving the car. Your wife is stunning. And the kids are greatm. You're living the best life.
Thank you! I am. As much as i like the audi, I miss my lexus.
Some sample shots: SNAAAAAKE! And the next image is a little boy in shorts... that's terrifying! But the review is great as always Arthur! Cheers from Moscow!
The new Viltrox 27mm f/1.2 PRO XF is coming for Fuji. I assume they will make an E version. Viltrox has some excellent lenses.
That is exciting! Ive been really impressed with viltrox releases lately.
May I add the Rokinon/Samyang 24mm 2.8 as a contender?
I have the sigma 30mm 1.4 (Sharper and better quality for sure), but I love the look tha the Samyang gives on my Sony A6000. Plus It is a FF lens if you have both systems.
I want to love mine but the aperture ring is a lil funky. When i manually set it to f4 on the lens, camera reads it as f3.5. Also another weird thing is when the ring is set to f/16, i can change the aperture using camera body. I am shooting with a sony a6000 and i am just wondering is anyone has/had the same issue. Thanks!
I am planning to buy Sony A6400 body. Can you please suggest some lens which I can use for indoor dog photography and for some outdoor family photos
If you can afford a full frame prime lens and intend to upgrade later, go with it. But I think any mid range prime lens or telephoto will do the job
I got the Sigma 30mm f1.4 Contemporary and (IMHO) it is perfect for your needs.
Im not camera savvy at all soooo....Ques: would I have more, and less expensive, f2.8 options if I went to an A-mount lens on my newly acquired NEX 5t? I currently have the 3.5f kit lens, but my indoor shots are always dark. (I don't have $500 for the Sigma f2.8 18/50 E-mount lens).
Interesting, the AF is split-second on my X-T5. Maybe you got a bad unit?
tiene autoenfoque en sony apsc ??
Hmmm, I question your copy. The AF on the Fuji version is silent.
Can’t wait for the MK 2 with silent af and better coatings. I’ll hang out a couple years for it
Haha Im right there with you!
@@ArthurR Can you compare this one to the Sony Pancake? I'm looking for a high quality e-mount pancake. WHERE ARE THEY!?
I cant really tell from the video but are the photos warm like other ttartisan lenses? That would be the reason I would get it.
It's not a lens, it's a kitty! It purrs:D Prrrrrr prrrrrr Σ:3
There is a firmware update dated the 7th of June. Did you notice any difference?
How is this lens compare to my Sony 28mm f2?
The 28 f2 is a full frame lens and this is for apsc. The 28 is give/take twice the length.
@KaioshinAemi I’d imagine your 28mm, f2, Sony would be better at autofocusing then this lens, which seems loud, slow, and inaccurate from time to time.
Can able to use on Sony ZV E10?
I preferred the Sony 2.8 pancake but it's close
wohoo
Your link is down to purchase
Do you know if this lens works on full frame? Thanks!
First of all,congratulations for your channel. Frecuently I have a look to check your wise and well structured analysis for Sony APS-C cameras. Related to this I fully understand analysis on Viltrox, TTartisans etc lens as far as they, more and more, offer a reasonable quality at an unbelievable price.
Having said that, for a number of reasons, I avoid buying lens from this asian country and go for other options, e.g. vintage lens plus adapter: you can get a bunch of lens, focal length range wise, at the price of a single new lens of these manufacturers, with a quality result better or indistinguishable for amateur use.
On top of that you get the additional pleasure of seeking for those lens and combine an analogic lens with a mirrorless camera. It is another way to enjoy photography, cheaper, challenging and ecologic. Thank you.
Love your videos bro!
Great
On a full frame, it's equivalent to 40mm? Do you mean on a crop sensor?
A 40mm on a full frame gives you the same field of view as this 27mm on APSC.
is it better than the sigma 30 f1.4 ?
No
Fredericksburg!!
what does the image look like on full frame?
half circles on either side of the image.
@@ArthurRI’m guessing the vignetting would clean up nicely in the APSC super 35 crop in mode on Sony full frame cameras?
I will use this in church 🤣
the noise - nah!
I think sigma 30mm f2.8 is better.. compare the size and quality
That AF should not have been released to the market. Hard pass from me. Not a fan of these cheap and cheerful Chinese lenses. Native Sony glass is best AF in my experience and plays best with IBIS.
The world shall know pancake.
Сигма, это ты???