EDIT: The Doepfer A121S is a fully analog filter. At 07:28 I made a remark that it's 'clearly under digital control' . It was an assumption. I checked with the distributor and the dual sandwich boards on the back are not for any kind of digital control, these chips are the VCA's for morphing between the different bands. So please consider the A121S to be fully analog!
The Freak filter is so underrated. For the price, the number of different filter types + cv controllability. It's one of my favorite stereo filters. Great showcasing the different mfg's models.
Thru ! All Léonardo's (VULT) modules are so underrrated, FREAKS is really a hudge digital filter with a lot of great virtual analogic re-creation from Léo for a ridiculous price, and VORG (mono) is one of the best old MS-20 style filter in Eurorack. ANIMA seq is soooo lovely, FUSER mix sounds really good when pushed hard and FEIGEN is a hidden gem that can push the patch way further. And what's also great is that all these Vult modules were first created for VCV Rack. Then, as these modules were particularly appreciated by the first users of VCV Rack (It was still in beta version), Leonardo who was doing analog circuit virtualization, did the reverse process to build us some hardware modules. But there are very few and Leonardo won't build many more. ..and yes, another great vid from Cinematic Laboratory, a very interesting one ! Many thanks Robert !
17:50 "With VCOs and filters going stereo, you can have a hard time finding a stereo VCA." I recommend Tronix-Audio SEISMX. Amazing features for a reasonable price 🤓👍. Definitely worth a try!
Got myself a Qpas as a first filter Looking into the IME Bionic Lester MK3 Definitely would not pass up on the MK1 or MK2 Version Also Joranalogue Filter 8 is catching my attention Doefper Wasp seems like a beast Excellent Artful Presentations No one can be blind to the Love Passion and Decication that you exudes in your productions
That Ampla Versio module sounds intensely Lush and so percussive! I'm loving Noise Engineering Modules lately and was surprised that they had only one small Filter Module available...until I heard you play their Ampla Versio! They should release that one as their Filter Module as it's so much more effective and extensive than the other one. Great video as always, Brávo~💡🎶🎛👏🏽🔥❗
Hmm… looks like I need a stereo filter. Damn. And I was enjoying my recently acquired MI Ripples so much! Insofar as narrowing my choices goes, I’ve had my eye on the QPAS for a while, and Doepfer never disappoint. One of those two I guess…
Freak deserves more attention imo. And it definitely deserves more modulation. The models sound great and modulating it is instantly rewarding. The latest firmware (not installed on yours) adds even more models and a stereo VCA. I wouldn’t compare it to Squawk Dirty. Sure it’s the same broad concept (digital multi model filter) but Freak is leaps and bounds ahead in terms of quality, modulation and playability. The Polygogo is so rich when it comes to stereo that a “simple” filter like Squawk Dirty or Dual Dagger does the trick (I actually used both to filter my Polygogo), specially for drones. But that’s not where Freak shines and it would be underutilizing it.
My collection FWIW. Bastl Ikarie (x2), Bastl Cinnamon, Vult Freak (thanks to recco from State Azure), Popple and WMD C4rbn (also suggested by State Azure). The Moon Phase has been on my wish list. I heard that some Doepfer filters are designed with over driven components with an expected design life. I see two new Instruo modules just dropped on MG. Another stereo VCO :)
Great review of Filters Robert,your so lucky to own so many of special ones, I’d like Fluctuations , Ampla , poss the Doefer one all very Noice though Many thanks for informative episode👍🆒🎶🌟🌟🌟
The only filter I own is QPAS Its a Great filter but not for every situation It as ring or shine to it that is not preferable to many situations I have my eye on the Bionic Lester MK3 cause I've never hear a filter sound The way Bionic Lester MK3 sounds but I admit that I've my eye on Joranalogue-Filter8 Eowave-Tempêtes Magnétiques Xaoc-Belgrad and/or Katowice but I will ultimately go for a Bionic Lester MK3 I'm a IME Fanboy I Love the UI, Capacity and Sounds IME Modules are capable of producing I'm literally drooling and Flabbergasted when I listen to IME Videos Cheers Excellent Video as always Your a master of.your art
Very cool! I've been wondering when someone would explore Blades more. There are so few Blades videos out there. It's a shame that it's so hard to find already -- I hope someone will figure out how to manufacture quality clones at some point.
Yes, it's strange that Blades just seemed to slip by without anyone noticing. I bought one completely by mistake (meaning, I wasn't aware it was impossible to find), which I bumped into as a b-stock at Thomann whilst looking for something to replace a Joranalogue filter 8. Happy I bought it without too much thought, it's certainly worth it if you find one.
Apparently you can make the Qpas self oscillate by patching the Left LP into the Right input, and the Right LP into the left input. I'm waiting for mine to arrive, so I've not had chance to try it yet. But the word on the street is that patching works.
@@CinematicLaboratory That's good to know. I'll head on over and watch that video forthwith. Thanks for all you do, your videos are still some of the best Eurorack content on here.
Ha, yes, the Ampla... need to flash that for a try, but I have the Dual Dagger and Phkia as stereo filters. No real beasts, but they do their job just fine. The Phkia has a dual (left to right normaled) VCA on board. Both have 'stereo filter panning', but the Phkia is not able to CV that from one socket, you need to independently CV the left and right filter.
VoicAs makes a stereo VCA, the 2^4^8. It has 2 channels of stereo, and 4 mono channels. ST Modular also makes the SVCA (Stereo VCA). It’s a single channel, but offers a pass through output which can be very useful for recording or for effects sends.
The only stereo filter I currently have is the QPAS, although it's my favorite filter overall (so far). I saw in an earlier comment that After Later came out with a Blades clone, which looks like it's available now. I've decided since I've been a tech/board designer all my career and have built many SMT boards by hand to get the Pusherman board/panel set. Admittedly not for the faint-of-heart (lots of 0402 parts in there) but at least for me very doable, although sourcing the IC's might be a pain.
I was originally planning to include a dual Ripples (i have those) which builds a Popple, but indeed, Blades covers it. Still, Popple it's a better alternative to Blades because you can actually get a Popple.
No that's not the case. There are 1000's of modules out there and I don't know them all. SSF stereo dipole also did not make it to the list simply because I don't own one. So this is basically a tour in my personal collection, biased by my own personal opinion and experience. But the list of multi mode filters is relatively short, so it's much easier to get a taste of what's out there. I wish I had an Ikarie :)
Awesome video, thank you for doing this. I’m new to eurorack and trying to decide on a stereo multi mode filter to put in my case. I’m curious though, what scope is that next to your polygogo? Looks sick!
I appreciate the comparison: There is very few demo material out there for the Flux Neutron. On paper it reads almost like the vcf to rule them all, but how do you see it? Are the different charachters any good, does it deliver in the sound quality department?
Enige tijd geleden prees u de verbinding tELHARMONIC -> Pura Ruina, ik heb dit gevolgd en kan het volledig bevestigen. Nu haal ik de Doepfer filter A-121s erbij als derde, langzame modulaties op filtertype, vooral notch en HP passen goed in mijn ogen.
Wow, thanks! Well if drones is your thing I guess I made a good point with E-RM PolyGOGO. Making drones is easy with the right module. Another totally awesome drone machine is the Noise Engineering Loquelic Iteritas Percido - but you need a filter to make it come alive.
From what I've heard, the stereo dipole is more of a "dual filter" than a "stereo filter," as Blades is. Inasmuch as I would happily take any of those off your hands, the dipole is the filter I want most. I haven't owned many filters (aside from VCV Rack), but the fact that the dipole has four SVF with independent mode and flexible routing make it amazingly versatile, yet the parameterization really sets it apart. I want a Freak because I know it so well in software and I could use a "stereo filter", but the stereo dipole looks really fun. (Vult software is freaking amazing. Leonardo is a gem.)
As someone in spatial audio I have a nuzeit quasar.. I takes alot to make more than a monitoring device.. that aside what do you think about psychoaccoustic aka ambisonic filters.
EDIT: The Doepfer A121S is a fully analog filter. At 07:28 I made a remark that it's 'clearly under digital control' . It was an assumption. I checked with the distributor and the dual sandwich boards on the back are not for any kind of digital control, these chips are the VCA's for morphing between the different bands. So please consider the A121S to be fully analog!
The Freak filter is so underrated. For the price, the number of different filter types + cv controllability. It's one of my favorite stereo filters. Great showcasing the different mfg's models.
Thru ! All Léonardo's (VULT) modules are so underrrated, FREAKS is really a hudge digital filter with a lot of great virtual analogic re-creation from Léo for a ridiculous price, and VORG (mono) is one of the best old MS-20 style filter in Eurorack. ANIMA seq is soooo lovely, FUSER mix sounds really good when pushed hard and FEIGEN is a hidden gem that can push the patch way further. And what's also great is that all these Vult modules were first created for VCV Rack. Then, as these modules were particularly appreciated by the first users of VCV Rack (It was still in beta version), Leonardo who was doing analog circuit virtualization, did the reverse process to build us some hardware modules. But there are very few and Leonardo won't build many more. ..and yes, another great vid from Cinematic Laboratory, a very interesting one ! Many thanks Robert !
Hard to call it underrated when it's been unobtanium for quite awhile now. Hoping they'll get new stock at some point.
@@mikeleuz fo real i'd buy it in a heart beat!
17:50 "With VCOs and filters going stereo, you can have a hard time finding a stereo VCA." I recommend Tronix-Audio SEISMX. Amazing features for a reasonable price 🤓👍. Definitely worth a try!
Got myself a Qpas as a first filter
Looking into the IME Bionic Lester MK3
Definitely would not pass up on the MK1 or MK2 Version
Also Joranalogue Filter 8 is catching my attention
Doefper Wasp seems like a beast
Excellent Artful Presentations
No one can be blind to the Love Passion and Decication that you exudes in your productions
That Ampla Versio module sounds intensely Lush and so percussive! I'm loving Noise Engineering Modules lately and was surprised that they had only one small Filter Module available...until I heard you play their Ampla Versio! They should release that one as their Filter Module as it's so much more effective and extensive than the other one. Great video as always, Brávo~💡🎶🎛👏🏽🔥❗
I missed the ssf stereo dipole… but a great video nonetheless! 👍👍👍
Yes, I miss that too :)
@@CinematicLaboratory Then I am expecting a future video with the stereo dipole added 😉
Hmm… looks like I need a stereo filter. Damn. And I was enjoying my recently acquired MI Ripples so much!
Insofar as narrowing my choices goes, I’ve had my eye on the QPAS for a while, and Doepfer never disappoint. One of those two I guess…
... or exchange your Ripples with a Popple (Stereo Ripples). :)
Or you can get a second Ripples. It’s not too late!
Freak deserves more attention imo. And it definitely deserves more modulation. The models sound great and modulating it is instantly rewarding. The latest firmware (not installed on yours) adds even more models and a stereo VCA.
I wouldn’t compare it to Squawk Dirty. Sure it’s the same broad concept (digital multi model filter) but Freak is leaps and bounds ahead in terms of quality, modulation and playability. The Polygogo is so rich when it comes to stereo that a “simple” filter like Squawk Dirty or Dual Dagger does the trick (I actually used both to filter my Polygogo), specially for drones. But that’s not where Freak shines and it would be underutilizing it.
Going for the Doepfer. Nice sounds all around. Thanks 👌
as a fan of both your videos and my beloved ssf dipole, I was disappointed you didn't have it in the comparison. An amazing video all the same!
I am sorry. I can only work with what I have... But I've heard so many good things about it, I really need to dive into it.
My collection FWIW. Bastl Ikarie (x2), Bastl Cinnamon, Vult Freak (thanks to recco from State Azure), Popple and WMD C4rbn (also suggested by State Azure). The Moon Phase has been on my wish list. I heard that some Doepfer filters are designed with over driven components with an expected design life.
I see two new Instruo modules just dropped on MG. Another stereo VCO :)
Hold on to your wallet! There’s a few rumors flying around that Instruō’s having a crack at stereo filters next
@@iamsushi1056 Oh no, I'm gonna be homeless with a shopping cart loaded up with eurorack and begging for electricity 🤑
Great review of Filters Robert,your so lucky to own so many of special ones, I’d like Fluctuations , Ampla , poss the Doefer one all very Noice though
Many thanks for informative episode👍🆒🎶🌟🌟🌟
Loved every minute filled alot of gaps (between my ears) ✌️
My 1st was Ripples’20😿
Big thanx for this nice video! My favourite is the qpas, it‘s so versatile! Greetings 🖖☺️
The only filter I own is QPAS
Its a Great filter but not for every situation
It as ring or shine to it that is not preferable to many situations
I have my eye on the Bionic Lester MK3 cause I've never hear a filter sound The way Bionic Lester MK3 sounds
but I admit that I've my eye on Joranalogue-Filter8
Eowave-Tempêtes Magnétiques
Xaoc-Belgrad and/or Katowice
but I will ultimately go for a Bionic Lester MK3
I'm a IME Fanboy
I Love the UI, Capacity and Sounds IME Modules are capable of producing
I'm literally drooling and Flabbergasted when I listen to IME Videos
Cheers
Excellent Video as always
Your a master of.your art
Very cool! I've been wondering when someone would explore Blades more. There are so few Blades videos out there. It's a shame that it's so hard to find already -- I hope someone will figure out how to manufacture quality clones at some point.
Yes, it's strange that Blades just seemed to slip by without anyone noticing. I bought one completely by mistake (meaning, I wasn't aware it was impossible to find), which I bumped into as a b-stock at Thomann whilst looking for something to replace a Joranalogue filter 8. Happy I bought it without too much thought, it's certainly worth it if you find one.
I think it’s because it had been in production for about a year at most. There are just not enough Blades in the Universe.
Apparently you can make the Qpas self oscillate by patching the Left LP into the Right input, and the Right LP into the left input.
I'm waiting for mine to arrive, so I've not had chance to try it yet. But the word on the street is that patching works.
I made a video about it, but that's officially feedback patching. czcams.com/video/VRxfmA_MZk8/video.html
@@CinematicLaboratory That's good to know. I'll head on over and watch that video forthwith.
Thanks for all you do, your videos are still some of the best Eurorack content on here.
Ha, yes, the Ampla... need to flash that for a try, but I have the Dual Dagger and Phkia as stereo filters. No real beasts, but they do their job just fine. The Phkia has a dual (left to right normaled) VCA on board. Both have 'stereo filter panning', but the Phkia is not able to CV that from one socket, you need to independently CV the left and right filter.
VoicAs makes a stereo VCA, the 2^4^8. It has 2 channels of stereo, and 4 mono channels.
ST Modular also makes the SVCA (Stereo VCA). It’s a single channel, but offers a pass through output which can be very useful for recording or for effects sends.
Thanks for sharing. I am not familiar with this brand.
@@CinematicLaboratory I have both of them, and they are quite good.
Great video and so useful for my quest !!! great job
The only stereo filter I currently have is the QPAS, although it's my favorite filter overall (so far). I saw in an earlier comment that After Later came out with a Blades clone, which looks like it's available now. I've decided since I've been a tech/board designer all my career and have built many SMT boards by hand to get the Pusherman board/panel set. Admittedly not for the faint-of-heart (lots of 0402 parts in there) but at least for me very doable, although sourcing the IC's might be a pain.
Thanks for this very useful tour!
I'm looking for one and I think the Noise Engineering is the one I probably go for
No love for Popple?! Ok, ok… I guess Blades covers it. Great vid as always!
I was originally planning to include a dual Ripples (i have those) which builds a Popple, but indeed, Blades covers it. Still, Popple it's a better alternative to Blades because you can actually get a Popple.
I’m surprised not to see the Bastl Ikarie make the list! I suppose it isn’t technically a true “multi-mode filter” in the traditional sense?
No that's not the case. There are 1000's of modules out there and I don't know them all. SSF stereo dipole also did not make it to the list simply because I don't own one. So this is basically a tour in my personal collection, biased by my own personal opinion and experience. But the list of multi mode filters is relatively short, so it's much easier to get a taste of what's out there. I wish I had an Ikarie :)
@@CinematicLaboratory me too. It’s on my wishlist, but not until I get a 4ms WAV recorder
Ikarie has VCA as well. It’s on my list.
Robert any more tutorials on these Filters, experiments running one Filter into another, any permutations , variations???????🆒👍🎶
Awesome video, thank you for doing this. I’m new to eurorack and trying to decide on a stereo multi mode filter to put in my case. I’m curious though, what scope is that next to your polygogo? Looks sick!
Thanks for watching and I hope you'll find the right one. That 'scope' is part of the PolyGogo. It's a big module.
Awesome vid as always. Your Music sometimes makes think about Siavash Amini’s work. One of my all time favorite. Check out his album « TAR ».
Great tip, cheers! I'd never heard of him before, but I've just checked his Bandcamp and it sounds like my bag 👍
Thanks, Jerome! It's an honor to be compared to some great musicians while all I do is fool around with sound. Checking out his album on BandCamp!
@@CinematicLaboratory Pretty sure you’ll dig his work.
I appreciate the comparison: There is very few demo material out there for the Flux Neutron. On paper it reads almost like the vcf to rule them all, but how do you see it? Are the different charachters any good, does it deliver in the sound quality department?
Great video! I am sad Rossum’s Linnaeus didn’t make an appearance though
Unfortunately I can only show what I have...
Thanks for the tour. .. :) .. yeah, too bad about Blades availability.
Hey, .. also, .. in MI vein .. have you looked into MI's Ambika?
Thanks
Enige tijd geleden prees u de verbinding tELHARMONIC -> Pura Ruina, ik heb dit gevolgd en kan het volledig bevestigen. Nu haal ik de Doepfer filter A-121s erbij als derde, langzame modulaties op filtertype, vooral notch en HP passen goed in mijn ogen.
You put the wires in very nicely. Where is the result? Looking forward to your understanding.
Not sure what you mean. The filters go to desmodus versio and to the case output from there (10:41) Case goes into Ableton Live. Nothing special.
@@CinematicLaboratory I think I got it
Have you ever made tutorials on how to make drones? You make the best drones...
Wow, thanks! Well if drones is your thing I guess I made a good point with E-RM PolyGOGO. Making drones is easy with the right module. Another totally awesome drone machine is the Noise Engineering Loquelic Iteritas Percido - but you need a filter to make it come alive.
Clearly, the best was the ssf stereo dipole.
This one pops up a lot of times! Can't use what I do not have, but I will hunt for one!
Just ordered the SSF. I hope you're right, otherwise I'll send you an invoice.
@@CinematicLaboratory sorry, what i meant to say was that the Morpheus is best. Err, no the Hyperion Processor. No, it's definitely the Cwejman MMF-2.
From what I've heard, the stereo dipole is more of a "dual filter" than a "stereo filter," as Blades is. Inasmuch as I would happily take any of those off your hands, the dipole is the filter I want most. I haven't owned many filters (aside from VCV Rack), but the fact that the dipole has four SVF with independent mode and flexible routing make it amazingly versatile, yet the parameterization really sets it apart.
I want a Freak because I know it so well in software and I could use a "stereo filter", but the stereo dipole looks really fun. (Vult software is freaking amazing. Leonardo is a gem.)
@@GeorgeLocke Yes I agree, there's just no good or bad in eurorack, there are just too many choices.
As someone in spatial audio I have a nuzeit quasar.. I takes alot to make more than a monitoring device.. that aside what do you think about psychoaccoustic aka ambisonic filters.
Ah, I wish I bought Blades when it was still available, and now they are like 1000$ on reverb - crazy. I guess I’ll just stick to my morpheus…
After later audio just announced a blades clone among other new full size mutable clones :)
@@alexwalli but… it’s black panel 😅
I don’t need another filter!
I don’t need another filter!
I don’t need another filter!
… damn.
luckily the qpas is a quad peak animation system rather than a filter. so no need to make an exception there ;-)