I'm just going to say it I love Jumbo thank you so much for inviting all of us along into your skate crew. It's the highlight of my day to join you all on your skating adventures when a new video drops. I hope since your feeling better Cody to see you more in front of the camera in 2024 you are wayyyy to good to just film (not that there is anything wrong with that!). If I had the disposable income I'd be a member 100٪. I wish you and the crew health and happiness and I can't wait to see what you all cook up for 2024. Winterclash is coming up fast woot woot! 💚
Great clip Cody…. and a happy new year! Keep the instruction videos coming. Being new to skating I get lost in all the different terminology so having the clip, instruction and background to why is fantastic… Go Jumbo.
Finally someone I can agree with about the term half cub, 'couse it is something from skateboarding and it doesn't make sense with rollerblading, inspin and outspin are thee correct way it tells exactly what you are doing, easy and simple.
I called since 90's halfcab or fullcab but named too inspins and outspins, thats really confuse and the spins to get out from the tricks confuse me too. Thanks for the video Cody and Jumbo crew. 🙌💪🔥
Great but should have added a "inspin" and "outspin" caption on each of the tricks shown in the video. I feel for beginners inspin and outspin becomes less obvious to differentiate on groove tricks and 270s
I had thought about adding text, but I'm so bad with it. Anytime I add text I always feel like it looks goofy in my videos.. So I tried to be as descriptive and obvious as possible.
@@jumbobladingyeah I thought this same thing cause if I do a groove trick fakie I say zero front royale, zero back unity etc and if you're doing like a 270 into it, it would be fakie 3 and not inspin or outpin it would be like fakie 3 front torque which still feels weird to even type but then saying front and back differentiates the way you're coming if you say the fakie three thing but like I would say he did a zero back backslide not an outspin back backslide but that's just how I've always known it.
When my good friend and started skating waaay back in the day, my buddy learned outspin by LOOKING in spin but then going outspin. We didn't know he was doing illusion. Lets get rid of Half-Cab, agree!
I think inspin and outspin are great because if you use them to mean going fakie and the first 90 degrees of rotation after takeoff turning your toes either in or out of the obstacle, you get a clean way of describing any trick done from fakie (adding in zerospin and smoothing out some wrinkles with groove tricks). Eg: inspin 5 topacid. You started fakie, you initiated a spin where your toes started by turning towards the obstacle, and locked into a topacid. We know how you started, spun, and locked into the grind. Beautiful. What I think needs clarifying (cuz in my decade-plus rollerblading i havent heard it laid out) is how to describe grinds involving the soulplate that start forward and do a 360, 720, etc. Should we call a 3 soul spun in the direction you'd spin an ao soul an ao 3 soul? Should ao and true imply going forward in the way inspin and outspin imply going fakie? Can we call them true 3 soul and ao 3 soul and be done with it? I wouldn't mind this myself cuz it means neat and tidy the way how inspin and outspin are. I don't like that "hurricane" and "tornado" which i've sometimes heard are so ambiguous and relatively clunky but I'm curious if anyone has thoughts.
Inspin/outspin can apply to spin tricks too. For backwards grinds we use "Truespin/alleyoop." For forwards spin grinds you can use "inspin/outspin." You'll hear "hurricane" as well, but that only describes one direction. For groove tricks, since they're sideways, we normally just use 270/450/630, etc. But you could also use inspin/outspin, but it would be unnecessary.
You bring up some good points! It does feel good to know what someone means and have someone know what you mean when you say something simple like in mak rewind 3 out. But with the immense possibilities at some point you have to get more descriptive, like we do with the hurricanes. True and ao imply going forward and grinding backwards, and in and out spin imply going fakie and grinding forward, but what to do with the full cabs? I use cab terms but yes it feels a bit sad to know it was appropriated from skateboarding, I guess you could say 3 ao soul and 3 true soul to nix the cabs, or just full true soul and full soul? But with groove tricks it gets complex, it seems you have to say fakie 270 royale, there is nothing to imply going fakie like with soul tricks. In and out spin would be implied for all groove tricks I think as they are factors of 90 , youd just have to say fakie when you come in backwards and the spin if its more than 90, like fakie back backslide and fakie 270 back backslide. Oh its alot all this jargon but for me its fun, I try to approach it with a sense of humor, I mean come on we do fishbrains and pornstars lol! Sometimes things arnt all tidy, but it is fun to say Ima 3 mistrial the hard way.
i watched both of your new vids in reverse, that's why we didn't get any cody shots in the jumbo ep 21, too tired from the tutorial(no excuse, need more cody tricks) haha
So, is an out spin always more difficult than an in spin, just by nature of the spin? Or, is it dependent on the person, and their individual abilities?
It’s almost impossible to find a rollerblading video without skateboarding being mentioned but it’s even harder to find any skateboarding content where they talk about rollerblading
I'm nearing my 40's and getting back into blading. Just the other day a group of us were trying to remember trick names and variants of them, one thing that kept coming up time and time again was "true-spin". We are still not sure wtf that is lol
@@mantzface truespin is spinning the blind way into a backwards soul based trick. Example: if you’re right footed, you’d spin clockwise into a backwards right footed soul grind. That would be a Truespin soul grind. I hope that helps!
@@jumboblading thanks for clearing that up and also thanks for the amazing videos you and the crew put out here for us to enjoy. Without you and What's Brewing (UK) I probably would not have returned to blading
Good question, I probably should have mentioned that, but I was scared of info-dumping so I didn't. Inspin and outspin can apply to 360 tricks too. Really, they can apply to any trick that has a spin, although we have other terms for different scenarios (like how you mentioned truespin). Example: If someone says "I 360 souled the ledge." You'd probably wonder, "which way?" That's where inspin/outspin would come into play. You might hear "hurricane" get tossed around, but I didn't wanna add too much info and make it more confusing than it already is.
In skating and snowboarding I believe the outspin is just called hardway, while inspin would be the “regular spin”. I feel like hardway makes a lot of sense since you are spinning opposite the direction of the obstacle?
It doesnt make sense if you would then compare a "hardway" mizou to an inspin mizou. The inspin is harder. The different foot positions of different grinds affecting difficulty or "huck required" renders "hardway" really unintuitive to my bladersense. I think inspin and outspin are objectively descriptive enough, and your going fakie is implied so you dont need to say "fakie inspin" or anything
So if you do a plain ol ordinary soul and spin either way out what would we call that? Because it sounded like rewind can only apply to tricks you spin into. I’m with you on the abolish cab thing but I don’t think I’ve ever properly understood rewind!😂
There's two different ways I hear it referenced and either one works. You're right by using Soul grind for the example, but it's a forwards facing trick, but your other foot rotates 90 degrees when you lock the frame. That small amount of spin could allow you to use the rewind/regular. Alternatively, for something like a forwards soul, the spin out that would require your front foot to spin back around your body the opposite way would be called "hardspin." Example: Right foot soul grind, spinning out to the left (counter-clockwise), you could call that either "rewind" or "hardspin." Generally you wouldn't say "hardspin" unless you're spinning 360 or more though. It's soooo difficult to describe rollerblading terms via text, haha
I get it now! Thanks for clarifying. I guess makio would be a little tricky to call but I suppose you slightly lean in towards the obstacle. Anyways I love these vids. Much love to you and the Jumbo gang🤘🏻
@@jumboblading 360 soul, spinning right would be hard spin 360 soul. But if we use inspin and outspin for forward approaches then it overlaps with alley-oop and true spin. So nomenclature needs work. Your example could also be called true spin 360 soul
I'd say they're the forwards grind versions of it. It doesn't have to be from fakie, you can call different spin tricks inspin/outspin. An example would be "hurricane soul." The opposite of a hurricane soul would be "360 outspin soul." There's a lot of good use cases for it.
Ahhh, this is one of the things I should have talked about. I got a text from a friend asking about how alleyoop and truespin apply to all of this as well. Truespin and alleyoop are how we'd describe spinning into soul based, backwards grinds. And you're right, all truespins would be an "outspin," but we'd just call it "truespin" since it's a backwards, soul based grind. Great question though
@@jumboblading I'd say it's better off that wasn't brought up yet. Pretty deep rabbit hole to be honest. That's where things get a little fuzzy for some people to understand. In simplistic terms, all BASIC truespins are outspin. But when you do them starting fakie, you inspin. The main constant is the way you land into the trick, not the start of the spin. And I would say it's the opposite for inspin/outspin. Those always describe the start of the spin.
Truespin and alleyoop apply to backwards grinds. Inspin/Outspin apply to which direction you're spinning into a forwards grind. An example would be "hurricane soul." The opposite of a hurricane soul would be "360 outspin soul." There's a lot of good use cases for it.
I'm speaking to people assuming that they're already good enough to start learning spin tricks. I'm also assuming that they're smart enough to understand all the complexity if they're willing to listen to this very niche, overly descriptive, breakdown of blade vocab, haha
Inspin/outspin can apply to spin tricks too. For backwards grinds we use "Truespin/alleyoop." For forwards spin grinds you can use "inspin/outspin." You'll hear "hurricane" as well, but that only describes one direction. For groove tricks, since they're sideways, we normally just use 270/450/630, etc. But you could also use inspin/outspin, but it would be unnecessary.
I think you could have done over an hour of talking, and even then, not fully describe it in a way people learning won't mess it up from time to time. The most basic way to describe it isn't the direction your spinning, but your perception of the obstacle. I.e. outspin soul, and inspin top soul are the same exact movement, but your perception of the obstacle has changed. I think thats where tons of early learners get confused. Also, using groove tricks to describe inspin/outspin is just asking for trouble Cody 😂😂 like royales, I would never refer to those as inspin or outspin. For forward royale the options would be fakie zero royale, or fakie 270 royale. This is an endless rabbit hole 😂😂 if we start getting into tru/ao/hardspin/hurricane it new skaters brains will explode 😂😂😂 Cody, start a rollerblading "high council", things need to start being taken to a vote 🗳
I agree with you about the groove trick part, I also call it 270, 450, etc... But the terms are still there if you need it. We're experienced and used to thinking of skating in terms like that. I've seen a lot of people say things like "270 farv? you mean 270 back farv?" It's like, you'll see people apply their own style of skating to what it is you're trying to describe. I think this is just an accurate way to describe stuff. And when I say "I think," I mean, "I know," because I didn't invent the terms, I learned them.
@jumboblading I get it. Haha. I was honestly just joking a bit. It's not incorrect calling groove tricks inspin/outspin. The terms definitely apply. Would just be weird if someone called "fakie outspin 270 front farv" the outspin is implied.
We really don't need in/out spin for groove tricks though. Fakie royale, fakie BS royale, fakie 270 royale. There's only one way you can spin 270 into a FS (or BS) trick. "Fakie 270 Royale" has to be "out-spin", if you spun the other way you'd be BS. That's a different trick - Fakie 270 BS Royale, which will always be "in-spin". The same applies for "true royale" - 270 Royale is sufficient, the info is there. Again, if you spun the other way, it'd be BS, a different trick.
I 100% agree with you, that's how I normally speak too. I get that everyone has their own localized way of speaking. If you can communicate what you're doing to someone, then that's good enough. Whether it's "cab," "zero sav" or a super og "true alleyoop acid-soul," it's fine. We all find a way to talk to one another. My original goal with the video was to remind everyone that we have our own terms if needed, we don't have to borrow. What I didn't expect was the amount of confusion that everyone is in. I didn't do a good enough job explaining it in this video. I should have brought up truespin/alleyoop. I should have been more clear that this really only applies to spinning into forwards soul based tricks (although you can realistically apply it to any trick if you wanted to). There's so many things I didn't realize were going to be brought into question... Now I know. If I'm going to do another one of these, start from zero. This comment ended up being longer than expected... I also wanted to keep writing, because I feel what you said. Rollerblading terminology is hard. But I'd rather us reference our own than borrow from other sports (if possible).. That was my idea... I don't think I achieved it, but I tried.
It doesn't have to be from fakie, you can call different spin tricks inspin/outspin. An example would be "hurricane soul." The opposite of a hurricane soul would be "360 outspin soul." There's a lot of good use cases for it.
Great episode, but can we all take a moment to appreciate how good that Seba setup looks.
I can easily say right now is the best my setup has ever been. Thank you!
I agree great setup, Cody! Are you riding the carbon boot or the plastic? About to buy my first sebas soon:)
They look like carbons (you can see the weave at the heel)
Thanks for being an advocate for saying in/out spin not half cab. 🙏 Half cab is skateboards
I’ve always struggled with inspins/outspins. I have done them, just very rarely. You’ve inspired me to work on them 💛
Thank you for doing this, Cody! Def needed the visuals and would LOVE if we got these more often🤘😎 Happy New Year🎉
Happy new year! 🥂
always a good day when there's a new Jumbo video!
Heavy contender for best opening trick in any grind tutorial
I'm just going to say it I love Jumbo thank you so much for inviting all of us along into your skate crew. It's the highlight of my day to join you all on your skating adventures when a new video drops. I hope since your feeling better Cody to see you more in front of the camera in 2024 you are wayyyy to good to just film (not that there is anything wrong with that!). If I had the disposable income I'd be a member 100٪.
I wish you and the crew health and happiness and I can't wait to see what you all cook up for 2024. Winterclash is coming up fast woot woot! 💚
Thank you so much! I definitely hope to get some clips this year if I can! See you at Winterclash!
@@jumboblading Hell yeah didnt know you guys were coming to winterclash!! Hope to see you there.
Great clip Cody…. and a happy new year! Keep the instruction videos coming. Being new to skating I get lost in all the different terminology so having the clip, instruction and background to why is fantastic… Go Jumbo.
Thank you! I'll do my best. My original goal was to do every trick in rollerblading if possible. Happy new year!
Finally someone I can agree with about the term half cub, 'couse it is something from skateboarding and it doesn't make sense with rollerblading, inspin and outspin are thee correct way it tells exactly what you are doing, easy and simple.
100%! Thank you!
Fantastic episode!
Good to see Ryan!
Best part of the day
Great video! Thank you!
Damn Cody with the Sauce!! great tutorial too. this is definitely very helpful.
Thank you!
Great tutorial, great video, very glad to see these back!
Thank you!!
And this is why jumbo is the best
I called since 90's halfcab or fullcab but named too inspins and outspins, thats really confuse and the spins to get out from the tricks confuse me too. Thanks for the video Cody and Jumbo crew. 🙌💪🔥
Me too since the 90’s I’ve called it halfcab and fullcab
Follow up vid should dive into Illusion spins. Great vid!
That's going to be a scary video to make, haha
Great episode totally agree with this half cab and full cab need to be gone
Team anti-cab
Maybe we start calling pornstars anti-cabs? Just to make everything even more confusing.
I dont mind cab for airs, but for grinds inspin and outspin is too neat and simple to not use
This is so incredibly helpful! Great tutorial & explanations 🔥
Thank you!
That hair is amazing , if you ever have to cut it make sure you donate your locs❤️
Thank you for these educational videos sirs🫡
Haha! Thank you!
@2:34 "well, no" 😂 👏
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Great but should have added a "inspin" and "outspin" caption on each of the tricks shown in the video. I feel for beginners inspin and outspin becomes less obvious to differentiate on groove tricks and 270s
I had thought about adding text, but I'm so bad with it. Anytime I add text I always feel like it looks goofy in my videos.. So I tried to be as descriptive and obvious as possible.
@@jumbobladingyeah I thought this same thing cause if I do a groove trick fakie I say zero front royale, zero back unity etc and if you're doing like a 270 into it, it would be fakie 3 and not inspin or outpin it would be like fakie 3 front torque which still feels weird to even type but then saying front and back differentiates the way you're coming if you say the fakie three thing but like I would say he did a zero back backslide not an outspin back backslide but that's just how I've always known it.
"hmm i should watch some jumbo"
*checks notifications, new jumbo video uploaded 2 mins ago*
"WOOOOOO"
It was meant to be
“That’s a skateboarding term and it means nothing in rollerblading.” ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
When my good friend and started skating waaay back in the day, my buddy learned outspin by LOOKING in spin but then going outspin. We didn't know he was doing illusion. Lets get rid of Half-Cab, agree!
Haha! Love that! Thank you dude!
Yes bro, preach 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Thank you so goddamn MUCH. I WAS was worried ngl
Thanks Coddy! Happy new year!
Happy new year!
Can you teach how to skate backwards and how to do zero grinds
Been skating my whole life... probably only done a handful of zero grinds. Not easy
That's definitely on the list.
I think inspin and outspin are great because if you use them to mean going fakie and the first 90 degrees of rotation after takeoff turning your toes either in or out of the obstacle, you get a clean way of describing any trick done from fakie (adding in zerospin and smoothing out some wrinkles with groove tricks).
Eg: inspin 5 topacid. You started fakie, you initiated a spin where your toes started by turning towards the obstacle, and locked into a topacid. We know how you started, spun, and locked into the grind. Beautiful.
What I think needs clarifying (cuz in my decade-plus rollerblading i havent heard it laid out) is how to describe grinds involving the soulplate that start forward and do a 360, 720, etc. Should we call a 3 soul spun in the direction you'd spin an ao soul an ao 3 soul? Should ao and true imply going forward in the way inspin and outspin imply going fakie? Can we call them true 3 soul and ao 3 soul and be done with it? I wouldn't mind this myself cuz it means neat and tidy the way how inspin and outspin are. I don't like that "hurricane" and "tornado" which i've sometimes heard are so ambiguous and relatively clunky but I'm curious if anyone has thoughts.
Inspin/outspin can apply to spin tricks too.
For backwards grinds we use "Truespin/alleyoop."
For forwards spin grinds you can use "inspin/outspin."
You'll hear "hurricane" as well, but that only describes one direction.
For groove tricks, since they're sideways, we normally just use 270/450/630, etc. But you could also use inspin/outspin, but it would be unnecessary.
You bring up some good points! It does feel good to know what someone means and have someone know what you mean when you say something simple like in mak rewind 3 out. But with the immense possibilities at some point you have to get more descriptive, like we do with the hurricanes. True and ao imply going forward and grinding backwards, and in and out spin imply going fakie and grinding forward, but what to do with the full cabs? I use cab terms but yes it feels a bit sad to know it was appropriated from skateboarding, I guess you could say 3 ao soul and 3 true soul to nix the cabs, or just full true soul and full soul? But with groove tricks it gets complex, it seems you have to say fakie 270 royale, there is nothing to imply going fakie like with soul tricks. In and out spin would be implied for all groove tricks I think as they are factors of 90 , youd just have to say fakie when you come in backwards and the spin if its more than 90, like fakie back backslide and fakie 270 back backslide. Oh its alot all this jargon but for me its fun, I try to approach it with a sense of humor, I mean come on we do fishbrains and pornstars lol! Sometimes things arnt all tidy, but it is fun to say Ima 3 mistrial the hard way.
i watched both of your new vids in reverse, that's why we didn't get any cody shots in the jumbo ep 21, too tired from the tutorial(no excuse, need more cody tricks) haha
haha, my knee has a time limit. After the first ledge spot (we were there for hours) I didn't have a lot of gas left in the tank
Rad
Better full cab that like button and hurricane that subscribe button
Great video, I just wanna skate those ledges 😂
Easily the best ledges we've ever had
So, is an out spin always more difficult than an in spin, just by nature of the spin? Or, is it dependent on the person, and their individual abilities?
I prefer half-cab and full cab. Just sounds better imo
Can you explain how the “fakie outspin back unity” at minute 9:38 is not “zerospin”? 🙏🏻
So confusing with all the terms for fakie 😭
It’s almost impossible to find a rollerblading video without skateboarding being mentioned but it’s even harder to find any skateboarding content where they talk about rollerblading
Not true at all, but what's your point?
Happy new years homies
Happy new years!
I'm nearing my 40's and getting back into blading. Just the other day a group of us were trying to remember trick names and variants of them, one thing that kept coming up time and time again was "true-spin". We are still not sure wtf that is lol
@@mantzface truespin is spinning the blind way into a backwards soul based trick.
Example: if you’re right footed, you’d spin clockwise into a backwards right footed soul grind. That would be a Truespin soul grind.
I hope that helps!
@@jumboblading thanks for clearing that up and also thanks for the amazing videos you and the crew put out here for us to enjoy. Without you and What's Brewing (UK) I probably would not have returned to blading
@@mantzface that’s badass to hear! Welcome back!!!
Serious question how long did it take to grow your hair?
Haha! Usually about 8 months to a year to get shoulder length
👏👏👏
Hell yeah, thanks Cody. Btw, whater those frames!?
Thank you! They're Ground Control Featherlight 4's
So inspin and outspin apply for approaching fakie only? and allyoop and truspin if you are coming forward? did i get that right?
Good question, I probably should have mentioned that, but I was scared of info-dumping so I didn't.
Inspin and outspin can apply to 360 tricks too. Really, they can apply to any trick that has a spin, although we have other terms for different scenarios (like how you mentioned truespin).
Example:
If someone says "I 360 souled the ledge."
You'd probably wonder, "which way?"
That's where inspin/outspin would come into play.
You might hear "hurricane" get tossed around, but I didn't wanna add too much info and make it more confusing than it already is.
Nice tutorial. For beginners would be useful to have text description of the trick in video.
Good suggestion
normalize looking over both shoulders, nothing says inexperience like not doing a full head swivel just to turn backwards
I was so right foot dominant growing up that spinning both ways didn't seem nearly as crazy as using my left foot
In skating and snowboarding I believe the outspin is just called hardway, while inspin would be the “regular spin”. I feel like hardway makes a lot of sense since you are spinning opposite the direction of the obstacle?
It doesnt make sense if you would then compare a "hardway" mizou to an inspin mizou. The inspin is harder. The different foot positions of different grinds affecting difficulty or "huck required" renders "hardway" really unintuitive to my bladersense.
I think inspin and outspin are objectively descriptive enough, and your going fakie is implied so you dont need to say "fakie inspin" or anything
The hardway is your switch spin rotation, so depending of the trick it's easier to do it inspin or outspin according to the rotation required.
you made what i thought i understood..confusing
So if you do a plain ol ordinary soul and spin either way out what would we call that? Because it sounded like rewind can only apply to tricks you spin into.
I’m with you on the abolish cab thing but I don’t think I’ve ever properly understood rewind!😂
There's two different ways I hear it referenced and either one works.
You're right by using Soul grind for the example, but it's a forwards facing trick, but your other foot rotates 90 degrees when you lock the frame. That small amount of spin could allow you to use the rewind/regular.
Alternatively, for something like a forwards soul, the spin out that would require your front foot to spin back around your body the opposite way would be called "hardspin."
Example:
Right foot soul grind, spinning out to the left (counter-clockwise), you could call that either "rewind" or "hardspin."
Generally you wouldn't say "hardspin" unless you're spinning 360 or more though.
It's soooo difficult to describe rollerblading terms via text, haha
I get it now! Thanks for clarifying. I guess makio would be a little tricky to call but I suppose you slightly lean in towards the obstacle. Anyways I love these vids. Much love to you and the Jumbo gang🤘🏻
Reverse = rewind ?
yes
Rewind applies to whenever you're spinning out of a grind the opposite direction from which you spun into a grind.
First might want to state that outspin and inspin are used for approaching a trick fakie
But it’s not just from fakie.
What would you call a right footed 360 soul, spinning to the left?
I call that “outspin 360 soul.”
@@jumboblading 360 soul, spinning right would be hard spin 360 soul. But if we use inspin and outspin for forward approaches then it overlaps with alley-oop and true spin. So nomenclature needs work. Your example could also be called true spin 360 soul
Truespin and alleyoop are for tricks going backwards. Inspin and outspin are for tricks going forwards.
I thought that was going to be self explanatory, but I’ve gotten that comment several times. I should have been more clear.
@@jumboblading how about we simplify things to approach - spin direction - spin size - stance - spin direction - spin size.
So basically these are the fakie versions of truespin & alley-oop?
I'd say they're the forwards grind versions of it. It doesn't have to be from fakie, you can call different spin tricks inspin/outspin. An example would be "hurricane soul." The opposite of a hurricane soul would be "360 outspin soul." There's a lot of good use cases for it.
So what's a tru spin?
Backwards soul-based grinds spun into the blind direction
So does this mean that “outspin” also means “truespin”?
I also agree that “half-cab” has no place in rollerblading.
Ahhh, this is one of the things I should have talked about. I got a text from a friend asking about how alleyoop and truespin apply to all of this as well. Truespin and alleyoop are how we'd describe spinning into soul based, backwards grinds. And you're right, all truespins would be an "outspin," but we'd just call it "truespin" since it's a backwards, soul based grind.
Great question though
@@jumboblading I'd say it's better off that wasn't brought up yet. Pretty deep rabbit hole to be honest. That's where things get a little fuzzy for some people to understand. In simplistic terms, all BASIC truespins are outspin. But when you do them starting fakie, you inspin. The main constant is the way you land into the trick, not the start of the spin.
And I would say it's the opposite for inspin/outspin. Those always describe the start of the spin.
How is this different from AO or true spin?
Truespin and alleyoop apply to backwards grinds. Inspin/Outspin apply to which direction you're spinning into a forwards grind.
An example would be "hurricane soul." The opposite of a hurricane soul would be "360 outspin soul." There's a lot of good use cases for it.
@@jumboblading makes sense. Thank you
It might help some people if they know the context is that you’re always speaking about the perspective from where you came
I'm speaking to people assuming that they're already good enough to start learning spin tricks. I'm also assuming that they're smart enough to understand all the complexity if they're willing to listen to this very niche, overly descriptive, breakdown of blade vocab, haha
So in spin and out spin imply rolling up fakie? Rolling forward it’s ally-oop and true?
Yes, that's it exactly.
Inspin/outspin can apply to spin tricks too.
For backwards grinds we use "Truespin/alleyoop."
For forwards spin grinds you can use "inspin/outspin."
You'll hear "hurricane" as well, but that only describes one direction.
For groove tricks, since they're sideways, we normally just use 270/450/630, etc. But you could also use inspin/outspin, but it would be unnecessary.
Lets see a true spin tutorial please
I think you could have done over an hour of talking, and even then, not fully describe it in a way people learning won't mess it up from time to time. The most basic way to describe it isn't the direction your spinning, but your perception of the obstacle. I.e. outspin soul, and inspin top soul are the same exact movement, but your perception of the obstacle has changed. I think thats where tons of early learners get confused. Also, using groove tricks to describe inspin/outspin is just asking for trouble Cody 😂😂 like royales, I would never refer to those as inspin or outspin. For forward royale the options would be fakie zero royale, or fakie 270 royale. This is an endless rabbit hole 😂😂 if we start getting into tru/ao/hardspin/hurricane it new skaters brains will explode 😂😂😂 Cody, start a rollerblading "high council", things need to start being taken to a vote 🗳
I agree with you about the groove trick part, I also call it 270, 450, etc... But the terms are still there if you need it. We're experienced and used to thinking of skating in terms like that. I've seen a lot of people say things like "270 farv? you mean 270 back farv?" It's like, you'll see people apply their own style of skating to what it is you're trying to describe.
I think this is just an accurate way to describe stuff. And when I say "I think," I mean, "I know," because I didn't invent the terms, I learned them.
@jumboblading I get it. Haha. I was honestly just joking a bit. It's not incorrect calling groove tricks inspin/outspin. The terms definitely apply. Would just be weird if someone called "fakie outspin 270 front farv" the outspin is implied.
We really don't need in/out spin for groove tricks though. Fakie royale, fakie BS royale, fakie 270 royale. There's only one way you can spin 270 into a FS (or BS) trick. "Fakie 270 Royale" has to be "out-spin", if you spun the other way you'd be BS. That's a different trick - Fakie 270 BS Royale, which will always be "in-spin".
The same applies for "true royale" - 270 Royale is sufficient, the info is there. Again, if you spun the other way, it'd be BS, a different trick.
I 100% agree with you, that's how I normally speak too.
I get that everyone has their own localized way of speaking. If you can communicate what you're doing to someone, then that's good enough. Whether it's "cab," "zero sav" or a super og "true alleyoop acid-soul," it's fine. We all find a way to talk to one another.
My original goal with the video was to remind everyone that we have our own terms if needed, we don't have to borrow.
What I didn't expect was the amount of confusion that everyone is in. I didn't do a good enough job explaining it in this video. I should have brought up truespin/alleyoop. I should have been more clear that this really only applies to spinning into forwards soul based tricks (although you can realistically apply it to any trick if you wanted to).
There's so many things I didn't realize were going to be brought into question... Now I know. If I'm going to do another one of these, start from zero.
This comment ended up being longer than expected... I also wanted to keep writing, because I feel what you said. Rollerblading terminology is hard. But I'd rather us reference our own than borrow from other sports (if possible).. That was my idea... I don't think I achieved it, but I tried.
I do tricks. No more names for me.
Let’s leave “cab” and “revert” in 2023.
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did you even mention that you have to ride fakie?!? 🤣
It doesn't have to be from fakie, you can call different spin tricks inspin/outspin. An example would be "hurricane soul." The opposite of a hurricane soul would be "360 outspin soul." There's a lot of good use cases for it.