The Mystery Cult of the Chosen Undead | Dark Souls Archaeology Ep. 1
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- čas přidán 9. 05. 2024
- Dark Souls hidden lore: Firelink Shrine is more than just a hub for players, it's a key site for the excavation of Dark Souls' hidden story. Join us for our latest dig as we uncover the secret story of the Chosen Undead.
#darksouls #darksoulslore #firelink #tarnishedarchaeologist
Gameplay footage/music credit: Dark Souls, Dark Souls III, Bandai Namco and FromSoftware.
Video Attributions:
Credit to Sanadsk for modding/hacking the game to extract the Firelink door cutscene.
Photo Attributions:
Madonna and Child. Florence; Relief. Metropolitan Museum of Art.
Sculpture of Madonna and Child, Plazoleta Del Carmen, Villa de Leyva, Colombia. Photo by Bernard Gagnon
Madonna and Child, sculpture in Neu St. Martin, Moosach. Gerda Arendt
King David, the King of Israel. Gerard van Honthorst
Statue of King David by Nicolas Cordier in the Borghese Chapel of the Basilica di Santa Maria Maggiore.
The Flight of the Prisoners, c. 1896-1902, James Tissot. Jewish Museum, New York, NY.
Madonna with child and angels. Giovanni Battista Salvi da Sassoferrato
Christ Coming in Glory. William A. Spicer
Contents of the Video
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00:00 Intro
01:12 Thou Who Art Undead... (Chapter 1)
13:00 Art Chosen (Chapter 2)
23:07 Conclusion - Hry
I would even say it's easier to argue the statue isn't sitting on Archtree branches, but just on branches and wood. A pyre, to signify the woman and/or her baby are meant to be burned.
Good point.
Well, damn...
Why not a pyre made of archtree branches? Could be a double meaning that the mother and child need to be burnt for the world to continue on the way it is but eventually, like all things, this tree will wither and fade into darkness and linking the fire will only be possible so many times before this tree becomes ash
The first connection I made was that the statue is on top on the same kind of wood pyre like the lord vessel is placed. One could say the woman is a vessel for the child before it's born. If so, the child would be the fire of the vessel.
We could overthink it and relate it to the witch of izolith that created the flame that gave birth to demons and that the pigmy used.
Explanation is heavily flawed. Mother of the player (Chosen One) is never depicted in the game, and there is no proof she is important or even remarkable like Virgin Mary. While player is some kind of Messianic figure (sacrifices himself for the world, just like Jesus) , his mother is simply not relevant.
The fact that we can still lore speculate on a decade old game speaks for the world building from Fromsoft and Miyazaki.
Exactly!!! Here Here!!!😊
Great comment
And it ruined a generation of writers with bad priming
yfw you realize dark souls 1 is a decade old already.... Time fucking flies. Jesus christ.
@@asherroodcreel640 Care to elaborate? Not asking in a "prove it" kind of way, rather I'm interested in the writing process, particularly in the context of video games!
Another thing about the cut content you mention is that the person who pushes the Firelink statue aside to access the kiln is the blacksmith Andre. Andre of Astora.
*pats Firelink Shrine*
"This baby can fit so much speculation in it."
The chosen undead was resurrected at the end if DS3 thru the soul of cinder at the literal end of times, so that variation of the prophecy did come true eventually which is kinda neat.
I think you're correct about the statues representation, and also I think that we recreate the scene with Gwynevere. She's essentially the mother in the portrayal, with her size making us seem almost as her child.
It makes the illusory truth of it even more scathing when you look at it that way
IM HERE TO LEARN MY LORD
WISDOM SHALL BEFILL THEE
OPEN MY EYES ON THE INSIDE
Iiii’m READY!
I SHALL PARTAKE
MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WOOORLDDDD
I love how ur videos feel like my sociology/anthropology classes mixed with soulsborne lore. Keep up the great work :)
I've got to say, you've become my favorite and objectively best game lore youtuber ever. You don't just take the item descriptions and make vague theories about the lore that leave people more confused than before watching the video. You actually do your research and basically reverse-engineer how the devs crafted the lore of the game via its environment and artistic direction. This makes the lore much more tangible and logical. Thank you!
Totally agree
Exactly, almost ever other lore channel is just emotional speculation rather than sober analysis.
Preach
there is a problem with consistency across videos, though...
He lies about Christianity in key points. He says that early Christians had to "reconcile the fact that the Messiah was dead" with his coming again.
Christ rose from the dead. He defeated death. That is the entire point of Christianity. That is why the first Christians were willing to be martyred and die. It wasn't fabricated later as Tarnished Archaeologist would have you believe.
He is a malicious gnostic.
There's something really sad about the chosen undead child being depicted with sword in hand. Still swaddled yet already destined to fight and struggle
It's pretty common iconography in religions, like Jesus being presented with myrrh as a gift signifying his death while still a newborn.
Iirc guts was birthed from a dead woman, and immediately raised and trained in a merc band, but it's been a hot minute.
Berserk may be too much for your sensibilities of this reference is found harrowing.
Born for the grindset, molded by it.
It is a little at odds with it's Christian influenced iconography as depicting someone holding a sword in Christian art is a reference to their means of martyrdom, execution by being beheaded with a sword. An example of this is the portraits of St. Paul which almost always depict him holding a sword.
I Love dark souls 1 so much, honestly my favorite game of all time
Even though elden ring is in terms of polish the better game, there's something to ds1 that's just something else.
@@merlinkater7756it’s just so unique. So much character and love put into it.
It's especially fun to analyze these things WITHOUT the context of later games. Remember, when Dark Souls came out, Miyazaki didn't intend for sequels. It was supposed to be its own self-contained story. For example, people who discuss which ending is better like to bring up how Linking the Fire is (supposedly) better because the story of the future games ostensibly depends on you, the player character, Linking the Fire - though this seems to insist that nobody else, such as Solaire, could have done so, it is much more annoying to me that the Dark Lord ending is not dismissed out of some more concrete argument but through, basically, pure convenience. The story would be simpler if you Linked the Fire ergo it is better to do so. Well, that's beside the point.
Yeah, DS1 and Bloodborne are goats
It really fills me with dismay we’ll never get more answers about the primordial serpents. The serpent statues in Dark Souls 3 were the only mention of them as the story went on. Imo they were the most interesting characters in the Dark Souls franchise
Imo it's an allegory for Satan and Jesus. To each their own for which is which. Further explanation would only lessen the myth. You are the sheep, they are the shepherds. The origin is unnecessary.
You GOTTA do a video on the arrival of the Numen, please!
Yes and what is it with the absence of Ships in Elden Ring? You only see a couple and it's obvious they are a thing but there are no docks no ports or anything. Also the Rusty Anchor item description is so SUS.
Seems pretty clear that the video is already in production and will be coming soon
@@misterio3678 Yeah, there are definitely important questions here, even on a basic metaphysical level.
If "The Lands Between" are, indeed, between life and death (or planes of existence, generally), then what does "leaving" on a "ship" even imply, or look like?
The name Numen is almost certainly a reference to Numenor, a city inspired by Atlantis in the Tolkein mythos. Great seafarers and technologically advanced (like basically steampunk), ancestors of a lot of modern humans in "modern day" Middle Earth, etc. Would be one hell of a coincidence if the name Numen isn't a Tolkein reference.
That cliffhanger hurt me deeply…
Can’t wait for the next video ❤️
two things: 1) i am obsessed with this channel it is amazing 2) you drastically overestimate my ability to understand what is right in front of my face - my mind was getting blown every step of the way! so excited for part 2
I’ve always wondered why there were animals depicted at the altar in the undead parish and now in hindsight it seems so obvious 😂 Great work as always, TA!
wake up babe new tarnished archeologist video just dropped
I adore this channel. The parallels you draw between in-game and real-life architecture, iconography, and archeology is incredibly interesting. You really make learning about ancient civilisations so fascinating, something which I admire. Bravo, sir! Long may the sun shine!
I've been obsessed with these games for close to a decade now and you still manage to consistently blow my mind. You spend as long as you want on that statue 👍
Not only are you preternaturally insightful, but it really shows just how much you love what you do.
Love the backdoor teaser, love the small portions of humor, and the fact that you stick to your "Tarnished Archeologist" catchphrases.
Oh yes and the talk about statues and stuff is cool too.
Statues are great.
Found this channel recently. Brother, no channel has captivated my attention like this before its effectively removed the brain rot 5 second attention span I developed from til tok. Your stuff is awesome dude. I hope you keep making it.
I'm so glad you guys decided to touch the topic of dark souls! Although there have already been a lot of theorists who tried to decipher the trillogy, I feel like a lot of these theories are based more on speculation rather than facts, especially regarding the first game. I would love to see your take on the serpents!
I’m not sure common culture knew undead would be a thing till they literally became a thing. Barring hidden lore that they existed in the war or the dragons
Thank you for this gift.
I was walking around listening to older videos and this pops up.
20 plus minutes of this just doesn't seem like enough. Just as I'm settling in for a super deep dive of this stuff, I have to wait for the next video. Amazing stuff as always TA. I've literally binge watched all your videos in like a week.
I discovered this channel about a week ago and I just finished binge watching all of your videos. I’ve gotta say, focusing on environmental story telling and mixing in real world history and archaeology gives the stories of these games a whole new layer of depth and makes them all the more fascinating. I don’t think there is any channel putting more work into research than you, and it makes your videos so captivating. Keep up the good work, I can’t wait for the next video
legit most underrated fromsoft video artists.
your grasp of pedagogy is so fire that it's invisible. nicely done.
Recently been replaying Dark Souls on the Switch, and after watching your Elden Ring videos, it feels like I have my eyes opened. What I saw is that everything you discovered about Elden Ring, all the detail, the archaeology, how meaning is conveyed sometimes through architecture and contrast in architectural styles - that's always been there in Dark Souls 1. Never to be seen by anyone until you opened their eyes.
My excitement is immeasurable and my year is saved. I cannot wait for the next part!
so happy you're doing dark souls lore now too!! the perspectives you put on things and the way you point out stuff that i've literally never noticed in hours and hours of playing these games blows my mind every single time. i really hope you do some stuff centred on ds3 in the future as well, i played it for the first time recently and thought the lore and design details were so magical and immersive (especially with the nods to the previous games and how the world had changed since their time)! i kept thinking of this channel the whole time i played it and as soon as i was done i went and scoured your channel to see if you had anything on it 😭i'm so normal about these games
Easily one of the best around. Even when I don't agree with a conclusion in your videos, I learn a ton. Love the depth you bring to these topics
Absolute Gem of a Video as always. It literally brights up my days or nights everytime I see you posted something new!
Even though I already know the mayority of this, I really appreciate these videos. Because when I replay these games nowadays I do it for the mechanics and character creation possibilities, and I just run through the levels all the time.
So it's thanks to this content that I can still enjoy the narrative aspect of From's works.
Thank you ❤
I've never been more excited to see a video in my life!!
When everyone thought they knew everything about Dark Souls lore, the TA takes the stage...
I really hoped you were going to tackle Dark Souls at some point, thank you for this!
I love so much the delving in DS1 lore, this game has still a couple of unanswered misteries. Keep it up ❤
Your delivery has improved so much in these recent videos. Kudos.
Ayo imma need that episode about the Numen obelisk G
Thank you so much for going back to Dark Souls, this game means a lot for me and the whole atmosphere and ambiance gives me an unique feeling that only few games did. Here for more!
This channel is now by far my favorite fromsoft lore source on CZcams. Together with the very few Redgrave videos on bloodborne, the agony of effort videos by charred thermos, hawkshaw plot against the gods and Sinclair lore.
Big fan of your work, can’t wait to see this channel get bigger!
It always seemed more like the statues were referring to Velka, to me, since so much of the imagery leads to the painted world. I can see the chosen undead, although it's unusual that a prophecy about the chosen undead would have so much focus on a fictional woman, mother to a fictional child. With Mary, it's at least predicated on existing, defined characters. One could jump a few hoops to rationalize why images of motherhood would be a core image for undead, but I doubt it would be that deep in development. I'd sooner accept that they just wanted generic church icons and it had no purpose until late in development, if at all.
I am so happy you are finally tackling Dark Souls, too! Keep on doing this :)
My last few play throughs I’ve been staring at these statues, and no one else is talking about them that I could find. Thank you.
Every video you put out blows my mind haha.I thought I had a grasp of each games story but you find the stories within the story
Hawkshaw has a great series about DS lore, including the Way of White, coming to the same conclusions and then taking a few steps further. Nice video TA!
Learning so much about my favorite games! Amazing man! Thank you🖤
Great vid! BTW, with dark souls remasteres you can spot many secrets along the chosen undead's path. My favourite one is how see little humanities sprouting out of the Great Tree. You can also track these humanity sprites all the way down to the Bed of Chaos
Others have said it all, but it's really great the different perspective that this channel brings to lore discussion in general, in any game really. It just works real well with FromSofts games, because the consistency lends real credibility to actual archaeological interpretation.
I love you guys, amazing work again and thanks so much for looking into this, the idea that the statue showed for some reason gwyns wife in one shot as the firstborns mother never sat well with me since she wasn't around otherwise
YES!!!! I’m so excited to see you dive into Dark Souls! dive into the whole trilogy please!!
Great video as always! Love your content
Oh damn wasn't expecting a Dark Souls video, a Christmas present for sure
this didn't feel like it needed to be 25 minutes long but I like the main idea that the statues reflect the "religion of the Undead" which is to eventually produce the Chosen Undead
The video didn't even need to exist at all, because DS1 was never actually finished, it was not properly translated from Japanese, and the core identity had to be changed from Dark Ring to Dark Souls because of copyright issues.
the best thing about this video is that, now that part 2 has been uploaded, i can watch it for a second time!
Thanks for the class, Prof. TA!! Love Dark Souls Archeology 131!!!
Yeah it's official, you're my favorite SoulsBorne content creator
Very interesting how the 'undead religion' reflects Nietzsche's idea of 'slave morality' serving a purpose to keep certain figures in power and values in favor. Of course, Nietzsche is all over Dark Souls (with it also being inspired by Berserk and all), but it's cool to be reminded of this once in a while.
Another thing about Nietzsche that I noticed while watching this video: the two endings reflect the two clashing ideals in Nietzsche's narrative. The 'good' ending of linking the fire reflects the Judeo-Christian notion of 'godly salvation' (as well as being a 'slave morality' used to, as I stated earlier, keep certain ideals in power), whilst the rebellious 'bad' ending embraces the human, earthly notions of what Dark represents in DS, bringing about an age of 'stained humanity'. This second ideal aligns with Nietzsche's ideal of embracing the earthly human body instead of transcendental notions, whether of afterlife or of the purity of the soul. The linking of fire ending also serves to preserve the 'status quo' of known 'welfare' , whereas the age of dark brings about a scary and unknown future, but one full of possibilites. This, again, reflects the dichotomy of clashing ideals in Nietzsche's narrative.
Let's not forget that in Elden Ring, the ending seen by most people as the canon ending has Ranni, a character who recites Nietzschean poetry, kill a prophet of God.
Dark souls 3's usurping the fire ending was always very Neitzchian to me. The will to power made manifest.
I'm so excited for the rest of this series
you always have some new or overlooked insights to bring to the table! 😲
Love the channel man. I would love to see you do Ringed City in DS3!
thanks for this awesome christmas gift Tarnished Archeologist!
Amazing video, i was wondering about this statue lately, the chosen undead theory makes sense
Dude I just watched your vid from last week and I’m now I’m blessed with a 2nd?!
Miazaki be praised…
The thing that always stuck out to me the most is how many other “chosen undead” took the pilgrimage to Lordran and either went hollow or gave up, became disillusioned with the prophecy or saw through it, either aided by Kaathe and becoming darkwraiths or otherwise. One of the largest souls you can find in the game is on a corpse right outside Gwyn’s arena, without an enemy anywhere immediately nearby to have killed this undead. They’re just sitting there, slumped over, in a relaxed position. I always took it as an undead just like us, who made it all this way, only to see what had become of Gwyn and realize what exactly “succeeding” him would mean for themselves, and sat down, slowly waiting to go hollow.
Amazing... great channel man.
Finally, another lecture from Prof. TA
Wait, is this THE Tarnished Archeologist? I actually clicked the video without realizing. Man, Smoughtown cites your work so much.
Thou'rt a great scholar
Edit: just finishing up the video and I am astonished. Let's have a round of applause for the TA team and get excited for part 2! Bell ON!!!
You have no idea how much I wanted ds1 archeology
I'm thoroughly impressed with your content, sir. I just reloaded into Elden Ring over the Christmas holiday for the first time since the Colosseum update launched and I have already sunk myself deeper into the environment and its stellar storytelling with the eyes of an archeologically trained eagle.
My very first realization not 2 minutes into the game: Who is Elleh? The church that Kale is at and we encounter Ranni in her Renna alias is clearly named after an important figure but has she been named elsewhere in the lore? Is this one of the older gods of the world or a notable member of the Golden Order?
I'm stirring up a cauldron of ideas I have for what blanks these traces of information can help to fill, and being able to appreciate these games in their minutia like I am is entirely due to the profound insight you've helped to unlock. I can't wait to explore these insights of my own and those you continue to provide in these videos. Thank you for providing this delightful year's supply of content, I only wish you ever greater success moving into 2024.
Brilliant guys. Absolutely brilliant. Loving it.
I love your videos man and I have always wondered about lordans early history and the more obscure ruins about the area. Aswell as the chosen undead themselves
Horray, my most beloved Souls experience!
I am ready for Lore, Tarnished :-)
Become the furtive fourth, so easily forgotten. Great vid
I do not play any of the souls games. I haven’t tried, but I just feel like the game itself isn’t something I would enjoy doing lol. But, I adore the lore and world building. So I am very happy to have found this channel. Thank you for making these!
EVEN AFTER SO MANY YEARS, I AM ENLIGHTEN OF THE STATUE THAT NEVER SAT RIGHT WITH ME. THANK YOU SO MUCH
Man, it’s crazy how they don’t prepare you for any of this in school.
Thanks for teaching me what I actually need in the real world
New episode from my fav souls scholar let's go
I can’t wait for part 2!!!
The Virgin Mary was worshipped so much because she also was the embodiment of some Roman/Greek deities, Juno being one of the most obvious ones, much of the Greek myths are also infused in this game too
very fond of this approach to analysis. archaeology is a perfect fit for the interpretive storytelling of the souls series, which leaves so much open to speculation in the same way we look at the ancient world and it's remnants. i'd never considered the more subtle nods to christianity, only the glaringly obvious anor londo, the city of chruches lol great video, i look forward to more!
amazing. please keep doing what you do
I think it’s also interesting that you, the chosen undead, are fought by and made to suffer at the hands of the very people that are awaiting your arrival.
Whatever plane of thought Miyazaki and his team operate on is wild. I’m so glad that he routinely invites us to be a part of the process.
Loved the video and so awesome to see you doing OG Dark Souls. I’ve never seen this theory proposed and as usual, I’m sold. One thing that occurred to me towards the end of the video, is the lack of item description references to this prophesied messiah. References to the prophecy seem to me to be always sort of ‘old legends’ and are often inaccurate e.g. Oscar saying there’s only one bell. It just seems strange that even if the outside world was slightly isolated from the religion, that references don’t pop up to it throughout Lordran items. Also, it seems that the Way of White is the dominant religion outside of Lordran, rather than the prophecy. So are you thinking this is more of a Lordran exclusive religion with ‘whispers’ of it reaching Astora etc. hence the ‘legends’? If so, again it just seems strange for such a significant religion in Lordran not to have items like warriors of the faith weapons and armaments, or a ring associated with it. I think you’re right but just something that’s bugging me.
Great video, you are solidifying yourself as one of the greats.
Great video. This would also explain why the Undead Parish has two churches, the old church where Andre resides and the new one that houses the Gargoyles - the former was used to worship Gwyn's son while he was still next in line to inherit the fire, and after his betrayal, the new one was built for the replacement faith of the Chosen Undead.
*slaps ruins*
“You can fit so much lore into this baby”
Aw yeah this is what I've been waiting for
I bit late here but one theme that strikes my is that of madness. Many early asylums were originally lazar houses and some of the ideology around the excluded lepers was transposed onto the “mad”. There were also panics caused by the supposition that madness is contagious. This supposed contagion seems to be made fact with the curse of the undead, and this curse also seems to have a leprous effect. It is further fitting that you begin your journey in an asylum. As a final note, though I’m unsure how this fits, I get a feeling of Goya’s Los caprichos and Los disparates from this game. At the least, these works did hit on the topic of madness. Wishing you well! Take care, your videos are always appreciated.
I love your work!
I think it is explained in the game that Gwyn helped set up this religion, basically creating a path for humanity to continually subjugate itself to prop up the Lords' continued rule.
Really well done
The more you show the story of our world in miyazaki games the more I am waiting for another video.
Looking forward to this.
This is the best Christmas present ever
it’s one hell of a game how we still find new stuff decades later
Always love some ds1 content