..I'm Spaniard and being 11 years living in England. I'm living now in Ireland and I considered myself as an Ireland's lover, I love everything about Ireland and when I've had researched about its history with documentaries as this one, it just make bigger & deeper my love for Ireland. I dropped a few tears watching the entire documentary. Many thanks and so pleased to watch it..
I hope you are still loving your time in Ireland? I hope to move to northern Spain one day soon! If you like Irish history please search " Ireland, a television history " it is BBC produced from 1980 and the most informative and objective documentary on this topic. It is 13 episodes of 50 minutes+. It really is informative and we'll made. I hope you search it and give it a view. If you like this documentary you will definitely like the one I mentioned above.
As a british person who knew little of Irish history until now, I have to thank you for uploading this documentary. Very clear, very detailed, very well balanced. It's good to know more about our Hibernian neighbours ;)
Well as someone who has a BA in Mass Media, I can tell you that BBC Northern Ireland isn't altogether different than its commercial counterparts on both sides of the Pond. Knowing how Thames TV went down merely for putting a foot wrong, I suppose BBC-NI is being as careful as it can be.
There is an older BBC documentary series that is surprisingly objective journalism and very thorough in scope, 13 episodes I think. It is on YT currently if you enjoy Irish history documentaries. Search: " Ireland, a television history". It was first broadcast on BBC around 1980.
@@thenextshenanigantownandth4393 It's actually generally historically accurate. Can you name an example of what you consider "British propaganda" in this series?
Spent a month in Ireland , South and North. Interesting, contradictory place. Have read Swift, Wilde, Yeats, Joyce, about history, music. But travelling around, talking to people was GRAND. Saludos desde México…
As an American with maternal Irish blood & heritage I just wanted to say that I've thoroughly enjoyed this documentary of such a captivating and beautiful place that we call The Emerald Isle. God Bless Ireland !!!
Since childhood I have felt the iriishness of me, but I was born in north Yorkshire, and now I am an Australian Citizen. My DNA says I am 97% Irish. As I say I always knew it. I am 80 and still study the History of the British Isles, day in,day out and have done so for ten-years . As old as I am, I play my guitar and sing songs, mainly folk, rarely missing a day, my favourites being The Dubs and the Fureys... But I have struggled to understand why so much hatred. I have now finshed watching all 5 and have learned so much. Fergal Keane. THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART. Will Sullivan
Curious to hear him refer to the island as an 'open' island with freedoms while also thinking about my friend in Belfast who told me that if her Protestant neighbors find out she's Catholic she'll be evicted immediately. An she's seen it happen multiple times. It's such a gorgeous and fascinating land, but I can't help but recognize the fact that there exists still deep resentments, simmering violence, and potential for madness at any turn.
And it boggles the mind that anyone should think that Brexit would bring unification. I just kept saying, "No it won't" or "Don't forget about the Unionists," but I'm sure I wasn't listened to. I'm fifty two this year. I'm an Irish-American who's great grandmother emigrated from Longford *six years* before the Rising. You would think I'd give my left nut (as the kids say here) to see all of Ireland as one country ASAFP. But I'm realistic enough to know that it won't happen in my lifetime. 😶
Following the Belfast agreement, the people in N Ireland now have a birth right to be Irish, something they didn't have before. There's also power sharing between the 2 communities and cross border institutions. Uniting Ireland isn't about uniting the territory its about uniting the people. The story of Ireland is still being written.
Blah b Nothing wrong with our identity. The Catholic Church doesn't have any stranglehold on our country and the reason for several centuries of warfare is because we were never going to accept being ruled over by anybody else.
Blah b What caused 'several centuries of warfare' was Britain's tyrannical occupation and oppression of Ireland and the Irish people which still continues in the six counties to this day.
Blah b So by your reasoning the BBC should close down because of Jimmy Saville and all those top of the pops fiends etc. and what about all the abuse in british boarding schools and religious orders in Britain . . Wake up you troll. You have selective reasoning. Obviously your just a hater. And you can have an abortion in Ireland if the childs life or mothers life is in danger. There is just no abortion on demand, which I agree with.
"you can have an abortion in Ireland if the childs life or mothers life is in danger." - are you fucking kidding me? a person should have the right to choose what to do with her own fucking body regardless of "danger" or not. the fact this is still illegal in ireland is a ridiculous fucking outrage, especially in a country that calls itself "western".
Fairly objective for British State Media. Anyone interested in this topic should search " Ireland, a television history". It is BBC produced circa 1980. 13 episodes of quality historic journalism. As an Irish Nationalist educated in GB it was the spark that ignited my interest in Irish history. A reminder of the quality content the BBC used to produce.
Thank you for this great series. I am 5th generation Irish in Canada. Family from Limnavady County Derry. I have no favourtes and one day would like to see Erin as one.
Well a pretty good series, as some have pointed out seems to miss a few things out and has a few biases but generally fair and inclusive. Thanks TheLordJaza for uploading. I could get involved with some of the arguments in the comments but can't be bothered. You'd think that the episode with the war of independence, civil war, the Troubles, child abuse scandal and bank crisis in it would have more arguments than the others but interestingly there seem to be fewer comments than previous episodes.
That was also a mistake that I noticed. I wonder how many other mistakes there may have been in the series. Everyone in Edinburgh knows that James Connolly was born in Edinburgh.
I wanted to understand the history of Ireland without bias and amazingly I got it from a BBC documentary, wonders will never cease! As a Celt I feel an affinity with my cousins across the water and the struggle they fought for freedom and independence which should not have been necessary in the first place. Imperialists can't leave anything alone. (Are they compensating for something amiss) or is it just greed and egotistical mental illness? I'm glad Ireland is free now, but the North still needs to be separated from the UK in my opinion, Westminster should hold no place in the politics of the land mass that is Eire, then maybe we can oust them from Scotland and Wales too. Peacefully please.
"without bias" . What you have just said is absolute bias that the majority of people in Scotland and Northern Ireland don't agree with. We are British and proudly so
@@stuartbarr5691 the "majority" ? Well that depends where the colonial land thieves draw up their boundary lines! They had to carve up Ulster to thwart democracy! Nevermind carving up the island of Ireland. (If you love Britain there is a handy ferry to Port Ryan, if you head back soon your vote might save the Union within Britain, the plantation of Ulster is a loss- the clock ticks... Fortunately now the Brit Empire and slave trade is over you can't just cull the natives anymore and we are breeding faster than the invaders).
Thank you per for your bigoted reply and telling people like me to go home. May I add though..... I'm Scottish and don't need to get a ferry. My British friends in Ulster however need to live alongside bigots like you
@@stuartbarr5691 they are welcome to live in a United Ireland and enjoy equal civil rights afforded to all citizens. Proclamation of foreign jurisdiction or denial of voting & property rights to natives based on superstitious/ sectarian differences will not be acceptable. You may or may not have noticed that the tricolour affords equal space (despite oppression & historical difficulties) to green and orange. In the Republic we don't care about sectarianism or ethnicity. The wealthy class in Dublin (and many other places) are disproportionately protestant. Either be British in Britain or be Irish in Ireland. Don't poison a foreign island with your expectation that all should bend the knee to the Von Battenbergs. You say you are in Scotland? If you want to preserve the Union then your vote is likely most valuable where you are. Ulster is not Britain. Scotland is.
Thanks for your comment! I am aware that this is not the whole story. I guess each country (even a small one like the Netherlands) has some part of its history of which she can't be proud. For starters this documentary is okay, I think.
First I watched The History of Britain, The History of Scotland, now this. All those who committed crimes in the name of "religion" were no better than Hitler.
What's amazing is the fact that protestant settlers in Ireland didn't even have to invade Ireland as the Crown implemented the settlement. I can't think of anything similar in Europe. Then they bang a drum as if they defeated the natives in a battle when there wasn't a battle.
"Division of Ireland for the first time in History" the commentator is referring to the current partition of the island between two national entities but unless one refers strictly to the modern-day definition of political boundaries, I beg to differ with his statement. The office of High King which predates Norman incursions may have existed in theory but its authority was bordering on symbolic when not ignored altogether and without consequence by regional monarchs and chieftains.
I am from the Netherlans, but I've been fascinated with the Irish and Ireland for a long time for the same reason. After seeing the whole series uploaded by you I am surprised to see you're from Serbia and you are not Irish, seems the Irish still have a lot of respect coming from the rest of europe. Thanks for uploading I've enjoyed it very much!
What doesn't kill us, makes us stronger. We are still here celebrating the death of Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth II with the Eoka veterans’ association and activist and the civilian survivors who proudly resisted and defended Cyprus from British rule in the 1950s. I proudly say. It really is an honour, indeed. Cheers.
yes we paid for the roads with our taxes, but they are free to use whenever I want to or need to. I'm not charged a fee every time I drive to the local shops. and the cost of construction is shared by everyone. just like if I see a doctor, I'm not charged a fee. if I was broke I could still get medical help
What really struck me was seeing Austin Chamberlain's signature on the Tert document. In case none of you remembers (I'm usually the oldest person in the room and I'm a history geek too), Austin was half-brother of Neville Chamberlain whose pacifism helped start WWII.
Neill Chamberlain was correct in tying to avoid war with Germany.The horrors of WW1 were still fresh in the mind of many.The British did not stand a chance against Germany's war machine,ie,Dunkirk.Hitler decided to attack Russia a bad mistake.The Germans were taking over Countries in day's.The German 6th army thought themselves invincible, Stalingrad would convince them otherwise.The death toll of that one battle was 1.9 million dead. More people died in that battle than the combined allied death's for the entire war.Lest we forget.Patricia Heil.
Thank you for your observation, Mrhycannon@, it provoked my train of thoughts and led me to Wikipedia's definitions of "culture" and "national identity". Well... too vast a topic to comment on using ~350 characters :)). But what matters most for me personally is to make sure I'm on the right way myself, let the "national identity" of my compatriots be whatever they choose -- or, quite often, what they let others choose for them. "Everyone will carry his own burden", says the Bible.
A vote after a coalition deal that one major candidate welshes on (an open secret in Dublin) is no vote either. Funny how they should be the same vote.😀
By the way, it should be noted that dental is rarely covered in nationalize health care systems the world over and that these systems themselves are having issues with rising costs. The length of life for citizens and a decreased in productivity of citizens is going(e.g: aging population reaching retirement age) is a real issue those with socialized medicine will have to deal with.
52:47-Bridget Mooney. Do you feel hatred? That's a strong woman. Rise about hatred to be the better person and there is real hatred. Don't let hatred win.
Take a bow Fergal Keane. This was an excellent documentary series.Interestingly there is a strong parallel between Britains sponsorship of the Unionists in Ireland, and Americas sponsorship of the Israelis in Palestine. May the latter find a peaceful outcome also.
Jews/Israelis are the ancient native people of the land of Israel. Jews were driven from their lands by the Romans. Arabs moved in later--sponsored by Islamic Empires. A massive injustice of the human race was reversed when the Jews regained their native soil. Palestine? A name created by Rome, on order to separate the native Jewish connection to the land. Never in any age was there ever an independent Arab state on that land--a land which they neglected and let fall into desolations until the Jews began to return home---then overnight the native land of the Jewish people became important to Islam. Anyone who says a word otherwise is a racist bigoted Judaphobe. Anyone who says that a Jew cannot live anywhere in the land of Israel, including Jerusalem, Shomeron and Judea (Land of the Jews) is the same. Am Yisroeal chai
Im pleased to make your acquaintance Rabbi Newcomb. Ive thought long and hard about the subject of territories who's inhabitants were displaced by a stronger invasionary force. The fact is, land ultimately belongs to no-one. It's only yours for as long as you have the capacity & desire to defend it. Race, religion, who was there first etc is irrelevant. Modern Israel is just like any other colonial enterprise of British origin.
This series is good as far as it goes but would be better if so much had not been left out.. I am 68 years old and remember a few things that make the English look bad, that were not mentioned.. Other things that I have read from before my time but are still remembered and talked about.. These things are not in the school books here in the US.. Last I heard they are not in school books in Ireland.. These things can be found in public libraries..
The problem was when the WW1 ended the British Government had too much to do. From being THE issue in British politics Ireland dropped way out of the top 10. In 1918 allied leaders were faced with the task of reorganisatiing the German, Turkish, Austro-Hungarian Russian had to wind upd the "wild men" -an Irish politicians description - moved in.
you can't say you're not going to debate about facts and figures, wow, is that not what history and people with chips on their shoulders is all about. on everyones terms, no wrong, you can't make everyone happy impossible, you agree on terms that are as good as you can get them, to a point where you have the ability to enter into talks about amending said agreement in the future, giving both sides a chance to see that working together in that way if far more effective than bullets.
Ireland has been robbed of its country by the British just like Scotland. My grandad was from Ireland and I never got taught anything about Ireland when I went to school. It’s not till I’m old enough to do so myself it shocks me to see how they’ve been treated. I’m a Roman Catholic and my heart belongs to the Emerald Isle even though I was born in Scotland. Ireland is a country I hold close to my heart and I’d love nothing more than to wear a black beret with pride. My grandad was a casement and I’m proud of his name 💚🏴🇮🇪
I've learnt a lot from this, very instructive. Seems like it was almost entirely shot during the winter though which gives the impression that it's always cold and dark 😅 Not true! The Ireland 2040 Project will be transformative
Yes that maybe true but what happened happened some try to say it never happened at all, and they go on and on about atrocities that happened recently what about the centuries of atrocities that you never hear about only read out of a history book. There was no bbc no paopers and what about the population of my country from 8 and a half million to 1 million in less than 50 years, We cannot and will not forget that.
Great thanks for sharing this! So insightful... How right the words quoted there close to the end of the movie, that the TRUE "national identity" must be based on high moral standards and principles of love, and not cultural traditions in the first place. Having the Bible around all these years and never caring to read what IS there... there they have their answers already given them 2000 years ago!
Reoccurring theme, what does England care if Irish kill Irish. England plays this dynamic in every region of their empire. The dead cost nothing to them if not too many of their own.
Service to the empire, I don't think so. The concept of United Kingdom was not service to any empire, and like the US State, the basic idea did not have favourable circumstances politically. Agus just as it was impossible for black America to be dominant, it was impossible for a Proddy State to rule a RC country.
P.S look at the results of the 1918 general election SINN FEIN were the biggest party by a country mile you're probably from the inishowen and for your information i had relatives that fought in both wars.
I have to say I enjoyed this documentary up until it focused on the 1919 War of Independence. Plenty of emphasis on the atrocities of the IRA but next to nothing about the horrific acts of the back & tans and the auxiliaries. Didn't show the whole picture, I'm disappointed.
TheCoffeybeans That is a kind of balance because you can find plenty on YT screaming hate at Britain and singing the praises of the IRA. But the IRA had killed about 90 mostly Irish Catholic policemen in the year before Black and Tans came. The IRA also had a wide definition of treason which included undertakers who arranged police funerals and threats to people subscribing to wreaths for their victims. The Black and Tans had been had only been in Ireland a week when 2 of them were stopped in a Dublin street taken into a back garden and shot through the head which was only what the IRA had been doing to some of the Irish police for a year. As war veterans they would not take that from the Germans and in reply they killed 2 IRA prisoners in Dublin Castle. In reply the IRA took 8 prisoners in an ambush in Cork a week later, shot and hacked therm to death and in 1966 put up a memorial to it. Look up "Police Casualties in Ireland 1919-1922 on Amazon which lists every police killing in the period to see what was going on. They are currently asking about £200 a copy but the reviews give a good idea of the story and it does not make comfortable reading. There is also "Slaughtered Like Animals" which rambles a bit but examines the ambush and several other incidents in more detail than usual.
+cman2223 Yes “800 years of oppression” one of the great one-liners of history but one-liners are not history they are propaganda. As for “those 3 years”, in “Ireland 1912-65 Politics and Society” Professor Lee of Cork University thought the IRA were lucky they were not facing the Germans who, “Had ways of dealing with recalcitrant populations that made the Black and Tans look like Boy Scouts” Regarding the Kilmicheal killings. The British, US, French, German and Russian armies to name but a few, have well attested cases against them of murdering prisoners, so prisoner murder is no big deal. However none of them go so far as to lie about the reasons, accuse the victims of crimes they never committed, sing loud songs in praise of their killings, or erect memorials on the site and commemorate cold blooded butchery as a great victory. But if you think that’s a good thing - fine by me.
+TheCoffeybeans I must say I was disappointed myself and while trying to keep in mind balance was annoyed at how details of atrocities were 'dished out' for lack of a better term. in some of the previous episodes the emphasise some of the atrocities during attempted revolution, like I think it was ep2 or 3 in the 1200s? that Keane gives gory specifics of Irish catholics burning a barn full of 100 protestants and in another, marching mass numbers of protestants into a river to drown. Or specific details in this episode of how the policeman was shoot by Irish volunteers while holding his 5-year-old sons hand. Yet details like food being exported out of Ireland to England during the blight and the black and tans Crooke park massacre are shearly overlooked. Bloody sunday got only 10secs of coverage for fucks sake. Very informative documentary for the most part but whether it's my own republicanism or the documentaries failure to treat war time atrocities as unrelevant equal on both sides that caused me get annoyed, the fact still stands... Fergal Keanes face is irritating as fuck to look at.
Ever wonder why the Irish had almost nothing but potatoes to eat? Listen to Cinead O'Connor's recording "Famine".. You'll get a more accurate picture of what really happened.. On the internet you can find anything..
The population is now too large for everyone to have their own farm and so jobs and the politics effecting jobs are controlled by corporations many of which have global interests.
Yes but that was the unionists in the north ater partition that meant nothing, and you also have overlooked the fact that most catholics could not vote so the votes probably not a true reflection there ever hear of gerrymandering that was going on for ages before it came on the radar in derry years later.
I want to agree with you, but I am immediately struck by the idiotic nature of racial hatred, which is surely at least as idiotic as religious hatred. Also I hear in my mind a quote from G.K. Chesterton: "the only thing more foolish than killing a man for his philosophy is to pretend that his philosophy doesn't matter."
I enjoyed this documentary as a whole and it did have some good balance at times. However, I had a problem with a few of it's assertions.Starting from the beginning, The first that jumped out to me, and I see it a lot now is, whether or not the Irish were Celts because of questionable gaps in the the historical records or recent DNA findings. I find this question, or the outright assertion, to be very misleading. Just because they didn't use the word Celt to describe themselves? Please notice they didn't tell us what they did refer to themselves as either, so that doesn't come close to determining the issue one way or another. It is my understanding that the word "Celt" was a foreign term used to describe the similar tribes that migrated into Western Europe from Central Europe. Some of these tribes migrated west a lot earlier than than the others. Some also went more directly West to Western Europe and some went South-West eventually reaching different points in the Isles. The Gaels, being one these tribes, first passed through Spain, settling some, then leaving into Ireland. This would account for DNA similarities with Northern Spain especially. I don't think the the DNA similarities with Northern Spain mean that the Gaels were really Basque in DNA and culture when everything else found has shown ties to the other Celtic tribes. Even though there is a differnece in DNA with the Welsh and Bretons it is very small by comparison to other ethnic groups and they are still very close to one another. That's how I have understood it anyhow but maybe I'm missing something here. If I'm right though this could be a bad case of extreme revisionist history with an agenda. The other thing was the issue of Brian Boru and the vikings. Ok maybe a little revision is necessary to allow for some viking mercenaries on Brian's side and a good portion of Irish on the Dublin side but overall the story remains the same. Brian's side was still overwhelmingly Irish fighting for Irish control and the Dublin force was still, at least, half Viking, if not more, fighting for Viking control. I don't think there was a need to try to blur the lines and make it as if it was they were they widely diverse groups of no identity or purpose other than personal achievement. I think the comment linking racism and far right politics was a serious socialist/liberal attempt to slander conservatives as being racist when there are many, many conservatives who are minorities. Also, it was the far right policies of Abraham Lincoln's Republican party that pushed the freedom of African American's from slavery in the first place against the far left policies of democrats. Lastly, the emphasis on globalization being the key element for Ireland's success is a little suspicious. There is a globalization effort under way and I wonder if it's related. I was always surpised that with Ireland's history with unionism they went with the european union. I know there are big differneces but there are some small similarities with any kind of unionization. I don't think globalism and unionization is going to be a good thing in the long run. I think it's one of those things that sound good on the surface but is very decieving.
You see things back to front and upside down no? ... This is common amongst lowland anglophile people ... I hope you is fully aware that our unrivaled perversity of thought and speech will amuse no one of sound mind and will only in fact gaurantee that you is the lucky winner of a first class ticket to the centre of the fire that will never go out in the posthumous sense ... Pertinent1 has schooled you and there is no debate ...
did you watch all 5 parts? have you read anything about Irelands history? we both did terrible things to each side, stop trying to stir the shit back up. we're done with hate, we are who we are and if we a very few humans can't learn to get along and except who we are on both sides then it leaves me with little faith in humanity as a whole. we've learned from what happened, but we refuse to let it rule us. peace and love to all on my Island x
Well said. It's a tragic history but Ireland is in a better place now. The old myopia still persists though. The history of almost every country the world over is one of conquest and conflict, settlement, division, politics, religion, separation, complex geography and civil war. That's just the shortlist - then it gets even more complicated. The history of Ireland is a sad one but hardly unique.
..I'm Spaniard and being 11 years living in England. I'm living now in Ireland and I considered myself as an Ireland's lover, I love everything about Ireland and when I've had researched about its history with documentaries as this one, it just make bigger & deeper my love for Ireland. I dropped a few tears watching the entire documentary. Many thanks and so pleased to watch it..
I hope you are still loving your time in Ireland? I hope to move to northern Spain one day soon!
If you like Irish history please search " Ireland, a television history " it is BBC produced from 1980 and the most informative and objective documentary on this topic. It is 13 episodes of 50 minutes+. It really is informative and we'll made. I hope you search it and give it a view. If you like this documentary you will definitely like the one I mentioned above.
Totalmente de acuerdo
Tremendously good documentaries. I encourage people to watch all five parts, beginning to end. Excellent writing, thoughtful and deep presentation.
You did a marvelous job with this complete series, very concise, unbiased, and very informative to non Non Irish peoples...Thank You Sir ☘🕶👍
As a british person who knew little of Irish history until now, I have to thank you for uploading this documentary. Very clear, very detailed, very well balanced. It's good to know more about our Hibernian neighbours ;)
Hardly balanced it's littered with British propaganda by a west brit and the BBC.
Well as someone who has a BA in Mass Media, I can tell you that BBC Northern Ireland isn't altogether different than its commercial counterparts on both sides of the Pond. Knowing how Thames TV went down merely for putting a foot wrong, I suppose BBC-NI is being as careful as it can be.
@@thenextshenanigantownandth4393 sad little troll
There is an older BBC documentary series that is surprisingly objective journalism and very thorough in scope, 13 episodes I think. It is on YT currently if you enjoy Irish history documentaries. Search: " Ireland, a television history". It was first broadcast on BBC around 1980.
@@thenextshenanigantownandth4393 It's actually generally historically accurate. Can you name an example of what you consider "British propaganda" in this series?
Well done, Fergal. That was a splendid documentary.
Even a Dutchman (like me) likes this documentary very much. Thanks for a nice insight in Irish history!
Man like van dijk
Thanks for uploading. Watched the whole series over a space of 2 weeks - thoroughly enjoyed it!
Spent a month in Ireland , South and North. Interesting, contradictory place. Have read Swift, Wilde, Yeats, Joyce, about history, music. But travelling around, talking to people was GRAND. Saludos desde México…
As an American with maternal Irish blood & heritage I just wanted to say that I've thoroughly enjoyed this documentary of such a captivating and beautiful place that we call The Emerald Isle. God Bless Ireland !!!
*Mine* were both, just ask me which side and I'll tell you plainly.
Fantastic! Thank you so much for uploading this!
Thanks very much for uploading these :)
High quality. Thank you.
Thanks for the upload, a very interesting series, from the Netherlands.
Well done Fergal, great well balanced Documentary, superb narration.
Thank you so much for sharing Jaza! Very much appreciated. Really good viewing. :-)
Since childhood I have felt the iriishness of me, but I was born in north Yorkshire, and now I am an Australian Citizen. My DNA says I am 97% Irish. As I say I always knew it. I am 80 and still study the History of the British Isles, day in,day out and have done so for ten-years . As old as I am, I play my guitar and sing songs, mainly folk, rarely missing a day, my favourites being The Dubs and the Fureys... But I have struggled to understand why so much hatred. I have now finshed watching all 5 and have learned so much. Fergal Keane. THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART. Will Sullivan
thanks for posting.
Freedom mean allowing others to choose their religion, their language, their identity. Happy dynamics.
Great help to recap over my unit for my exam
Good work Fergal much appreciate this documentary
Fantastic documentary as a whole
Curious to hear him refer to the island as an 'open' island with freedoms while also thinking about my friend in Belfast who told me that if her Protestant neighbors find out she's Catholic she'll be evicted immediately. An she's seen it happen multiple times. It's such a gorgeous and fascinating land, but I can't help but recognize the fact that there exists still deep resentments, simmering violence, and potential for madness at any turn.
YOUR RIGHT BUT THE IRISH WILL NEVER GIVE UKSTER UP TO GB AS SHE IS THE DIARRHOEA OF THE ATLAS
And it boggles the mind that anyone should think that Brexit would bring unification. I just kept saying, "No it won't" or "Don't forget about the Unionists," but I'm sure I wasn't listened to.
I'm fifty two this year. I'm an Irish-American who's great grandmother emigrated from Longford *six years* before the Rising. You would think I'd give my left nut (as the kids say here) to see all of Ireland as one country ASAFP. But I'm realistic enough to know that it won't happen in my lifetime. 😶
@@stephenwright8824 I've seen you around Quora.
It's called BIGOTRY... and religion is a huge HUGE cause of Bigotry...in the name of God, of course.
Thank you in 2024 from an American whos Catholic Grandfather fought as a Volunteer and then came to Boston in 1925 for a new life.
enjoyable and informative
Following the Belfast agreement, the people in N Ireland now have a birth right to be Irish, something they didn't have before. There's also power sharing between the 2 communities and cross border institutions. Uniting Ireland isn't about uniting the territory its about uniting the people. The story of Ireland is still being written.
Blah b Nothing wrong with our identity. The Catholic Church doesn't have any stranglehold on our country and the reason for several centuries of warfare is because we were never going to accept being ruled over by anybody else.
Blah b
abortion is legal only if the life of the mother is at risk...that's really fucked up, i can't believe this shit. outrageous.
Blah b What caused 'several centuries of warfare' was Britain's tyrannical occupation and oppression of Ireland and the Irish people which still continues in the six counties to this day.
Blah b So by your reasoning the BBC should close down because of Jimmy Saville and all those top of the pops fiends etc. and what about all the abuse in british boarding schools and religious orders in Britain . . Wake up you troll. You have selective reasoning. Obviously your just a hater. And you can have an abortion in Ireland if the childs life or mothers life is in danger. There is just no abortion on demand, which I agree with.
"you can have an abortion in Ireland if the childs life or mothers life is in danger." - are you fucking kidding me? a person should have the right to choose what to do with her own fucking body regardless of "danger" or not. the fact this is still illegal in ireland is a ridiculous fucking outrage, especially in a country that calls itself "western".
Fairly objective for British State Media. Anyone interested in this topic should search " Ireland, a television history". It is BBC produced circa 1980. 13 episodes of quality historic journalism. As an Irish Nationalist educated in GB it was the spark that ignited my interest in Irish history. A reminder of the quality content the BBC used to produce.
Thank you for this great series. I am 5th generation Irish in Canada. Family from Limnavady County Derry. I have no favourtes and one day would like to see Erin as one.
Thank you
Well a pretty good series, as some have pointed out seems to miss a few things out and has a few biases but generally fair and inclusive. Thanks TheLordJaza for uploading. I could get involved with some of the arguments in the comments but can't be bothered. You'd think that the episode with the war of independence, civil war, the Troubles, child abuse scandal and bank crisis in it would have more arguments than the others but interestingly there seem to be fewer comments than previous episodes.
James Connolly was not born in Glasgow. He was born in Edinburgh.
That was also a mistake that I noticed. I wonder how many other mistakes there may have been in the series. Everyone in Edinburgh knows that James Connolly was born in Edinburgh.
It was quite a moving moment, indeed! :)
I wanted to understand the history of Ireland without bias and amazingly I got it from a BBC documentary, wonders will never cease! As a Celt I feel an affinity with my cousins across the water and the struggle they fought for freedom and independence which should not have been necessary in the first place. Imperialists can't leave anything alone. (Are they compensating for something amiss) or is it just greed and egotistical mental illness? I'm glad Ireland is free now, but the North still needs to be separated from the UK in my opinion, Westminster should hold no place in the politics of the land mass that is Eire, then maybe we can oust them from Scotland and Wales too. Peacefully please.
"without bias" . What you have just said is absolute bias that the majority of people in Scotland and Northern Ireland don't agree with.
We are British and proudly so
@@stuartbarr5691 the "majority" ? Well that depends where the colonial land thieves draw up their boundary lines! They had to carve up Ulster to thwart democracy! Nevermind carving up the island of Ireland. (If you love Britain there is a handy ferry to Port Ryan, if you head back soon your vote might save the Union within Britain, the plantation of Ulster is a loss- the clock ticks... Fortunately now the Brit Empire and slave trade is over you can't just cull the natives anymore and we are breeding faster than the invaders).
Thank you per for your bigoted reply and telling people like me to go home.
May I add though..... I'm Scottish and don't need to get a ferry.
My British friends in Ulster however need to live alongside bigots like you
@@stuartbarr5691 they are welcome to live in a United Ireland and enjoy equal civil rights afforded to all citizens. Proclamation of foreign jurisdiction or denial of voting & property rights to natives based on superstitious/ sectarian differences will not be acceptable. You may or may not have noticed that the tricolour affords equal space (despite oppression & historical difficulties) to green and orange. In the Republic we don't care about sectarianism or ethnicity. The wealthy class in Dublin (and many other places) are disproportionately protestant. Either be British in Britain or be Irish in Ireland. Don't poison a foreign island with your expectation that all should bend the knee to the Von Battenbergs.
You say you are in Scotland? If you want to preserve the Union then your vote is likely most valuable where you are. Ulster is not Britain. Scotland is.
@@stuartbarr5691 what majority in the north
Never knew Fergal Keane was John B. Keane's son!
Studied his fathers book Sive in the Leaving Cert
Did ye get a good grade?
@@pedclarkemobile nah lol messed up my essay haha
He's his nephew actually
I can't wait for next week, I am going to Ireland.
Respect for your fans on Euro 2012.... made me cry when they sang Fields of Athenry... so touching...cheers !
Thanks for your comment! I am aware that this is not the whole story. I guess each country (even a small one like the Netherlands) has some part of its history of which she can't be proud. For starters this documentary is okay, I think.
First I watched The History of Britain, The History of Scotland, now this. All those who committed crimes in the name of "religion" were no better than Hitler.
true so truje religeon is cause of most wars poverty in world even today
@@arranquick2162 and shall we ignore the church of satan and the role of occults throughout the ages?
That's so interesting! Great quality, no problem at all with any of the videos. I'm Dublin born and bred, haha. :)
Bangin vid now man i gots to say
James Connolly was from Edinburgh, not Glasgow (9.20)
What's amazing is the fact that protestant settlers in Ireland didn't even have to invade Ireland as the Crown implemented the settlement. I can't think of anything similar in Europe. Then they bang a drum as if they defeated the natives in a battle when there wasn't a battle.
@MrNorthernSol Gotta find a reason to get a drum from somewhere lol.
@Drizzle: It was arguably the best real estate swap until the Escape to the Suburbs in the US (1948-60). j/k
It's a great documentary, there's no doubt but to not even mention the Magdalene Sisters, our deepest darkest hour, it really should've been included.
connolloy was from edingburgh not glasgow
That shot at 4:45 is from Pearse' St Endas' college isn't it?
At 3:00 - 'An Irish catholic would never rise to the top of the RIC'. This overlooks Sir Joseph Aloysius Byrne, inspector-general from 1916 to 1920.
"Division of Ireland for the first time in History" the commentator is referring to the current partition of the island between two national entities but unless one refers strictly to the modern-day definition of political boundaries, I beg to differ with his statement. The office of High King which predates Norman incursions may have existed in theory but its authority was bordering on symbolic when not ignored altogether and without consequence by regional monarchs and chieftains.
I am from the Netherlans, but I've been fascinated with the Irish and Ireland for a long time for the same reason. After seeing the whole series uploaded by you I am surprised to see you're from Serbia and you are not Irish, seems the Irish still have a lot of respect coming from the rest of europe. Thanks for uploading I've enjoyed it very much!
Netherlands..... learn to spell, or @ least edit....
What doesn't kill us, makes us stronger. We are still here celebrating the death of Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth II with the Eoka veterans’ association and activist and the civilian survivors who proudly resisted and defended Cyprus from British rule in the 1950s. I proudly say. It really is an honour, indeed. Cheers.
Very interesting!!!
I understanded about Spaniard and about the life in ireland. many problems that passed
where's part 1?
26.28- Clady, Co.Tyrone my hometown! 👍🏻
Says it all does Keane when saying James Connolly was from Glasgow Cowgate Edinburgh
yes we paid for the roads with our taxes, but they are free to use whenever I want to or need to.
I'm not charged a fee every time I drive to the local shops.
and the cost of construction is shared by everyone.
just like if I see a doctor, I'm not charged a fee. if I was broke I could still get medical help
perfect documentary !
You can't have national identity without the culture..
Without Hate we can Never know Love, it will always be a choice.
Bradley's and Morrisey's from Cork. Came to Prince Edward Island in the 1870's.
What really struck me was seeing Austin Chamberlain's signature on the Tert document. In case none of you remembers (I'm usually the oldest person in the room and I'm a history geek too), Austin was half-brother of Neville Chamberlain whose pacifism helped start WWII.
Neill Chamberlain was correct in tying to avoid war with Germany.The horrors of WW1 were still fresh in the mind of many.The British did not stand a chance against Germany's war machine,ie,Dunkirk.Hitler decided to attack Russia a bad mistake.The Germans were taking over Countries in day's.The German 6th army thought themselves invincible, Stalingrad would convince them otherwise.The death toll of that one battle was 1.9 million dead. More people died in that battle than the combined allied death's for the entire war.Lest we forget.Patricia Heil.
Thank you for your observation, Mrhycannon@, it provoked my train of thoughts and led me to Wikipedia's definitions of "culture" and "national identity". Well... too vast a topic to comment on using ~350 characters :)).
But what matters most for me personally is to make sure I'm on the right way myself, let the "national identity" of my compatriots be whatever they choose -- or, quite often, what they let others choose for them. "Everyone will carry his own burden", says the Bible.
And now Sinn Fein is rising in North Ireland post Brexit. Things always change.
Only in the best ways.
The majority of the country did not support the treaty , A vote under threat is not a vote.
A vote after a coalition deal that one major candidate welshes on (an open secret in Dublin) is no vote either. Funny how they should be the same vote.😀
By the way, it should be noted that dental is rarely covered in nationalize health care systems the world over and that these systems themselves are having issues with rising costs. The length of life for citizens and a decreased in productivity of citizens is going(e.g: aging population reaching retirement age) is a real issue those with socialized medicine will have to deal with.
He's from Cork - he talks about it in the first episode.
he was born in dublin born his grandfather was from cork
52:47-Bridget Mooney. Do you feel hatred? That's a strong woman. Rise about hatred to be the better person and there is real hatred. Don't let hatred win.
Fuggin knackers
Take a bow Fergal Keane. This was an excellent documentary series.Interestingly there is a strong parallel between Britains sponsorship of the Unionists in Ireland, and Americas sponsorship of the Israelis in Palestine. May the latter find a peaceful outcome also.
Jews/Israelis are the ancient native people of the land of Israel. Jews were driven from their lands by the Romans. Arabs moved in later--sponsored by Islamic Empires. A massive injustice of the human race was reversed when the Jews regained their native soil. Palestine? A name created by Rome, on order to separate the native Jewish connection to the land. Never in any age was there ever an independent Arab state on that land--a land which they neglected and let fall into desolations until the Jews began to return home---then overnight the native land of the Jewish people became important to Islam. Anyone who says a word otherwise is a racist bigoted Judaphobe. Anyone who says that a Jew cannot live anywhere in the land of Israel, including Jerusalem, Shomeron and Judea (Land of the Jews) is the same. Am Yisroeal chai
Im pleased to make your acquaintance Rabbi Newcomb. Ive thought long and hard about the subject of territories who's inhabitants were displaced by a stronger invasionary force. The fact is, land ultimately belongs to no-one. It's only yours for as long as you have the capacity & desire to defend it. Race, religion, who was there first etc is irrelevant. Modern Israel is just like any other colonial enterprise of British origin.
This series is good as far as it goes but would be better if so much had not been left out.. I am 68 years old and remember a few things that make the English look bad, that were not mentioned.. Other things that I have read from before my time but are still remembered and talked about.. These things are not in the school books here in the US.. Last I heard they are not in school books in Ireland.. These things can be found in public libraries..
The problem was when the WW1 ended the British Government had too much to do. From being THE issue in British politics Ireland dropped way out of the top 10. In 1918 allied leaders were faced with the task of reorganisatiing the German, Turkish, Austro-Hungarian Russian had to wind upd the "wild men" -an Irish politicians description - moved in.
At 56:40 - 59:00, is this a presidential-era McAleese?
you can't say you're not going to debate about facts and figures, wow, is that not what history and people with chips on their shoulders is all about. on everyones terms, no wrong, you can't make everyone happy impossible, you agree on terms that are as good as you can get them, to a point where you have the ability to enter into talks about amending said agreement in the future, giving both sides a chance to see that working together in that way if far more effective than bullets.
What where the children chanting???
Ireland has been robbed of its country by the British just like Scotland. My grandad was from Ireland and I never got taught anything about Ireland when I went to school. It’s not till I’m old enough to do so myself it shocks me to see how they’ve been treated. I’m a Roman Catholic and my heart belongs to the Emerald Isle even though I was born in Scotland. Ireland is a country I hold close to my heart and I’d love nothing more than to wear a black beret with pride. My grandad was a casement and I’m proud of his name 💚🏴🇮🇪
Scotland colonised Ireland and by the way casement is an English surname
Ireland untied...Ireland free..
Thats going to take a long time mate.
I've learnt a lot from this, very instructive. Seems like it was almost entirely shot during the winter though which gives the impression that it's always cold and dark 😅 Not true! The Ireland 2040 Project will be transformative
Yes that maybe true but what happened happened some try to say it never happened at all, and they go on and on about atrocities that happened recently what about the centuries of atrocities that you never hear about only read out of a history book. There was no bbc no paopers and what about the population of my country from 8 and a half million to 1 million in less than 50 years, We cannot and will not forget that.
Great thanks for sharing this! So insightful...
How right the words quoted there close to the end of the movie, that the TRUE "national identity" must be based on high moral standards and principles of love, and not cultural traditions in the first place.
Having the Bible around all these years and never caring to read what IS there... there they have their answers already given them 2000 years ago!
Q. What is Fergal? A Dub, a Corkonian or what?
Reoccurring theme, what does England care if Irish kill Irish. England plays this dynamic in every region of their empire. The dead cost nothing to them if not too many of their own.
AMEN
As hittchen said how religion poisions everything..and it does the ignorance of religion just astonishes me everyday...
De Valera sympathised with Germany when Hitler died say's it all.
When was that exactly ?
Service to the empire, I don't think so. The concept of United Kingdom was not service to any empire, and like the US State, the basic idea did not have favourable circumstances politically. Agus just as it was impossible for black America to be dominant, it was impossible for a Proddy State to rule a RC country.
P.S look at the results of the 1918 general election SINN FEIN were the biggest party by a country mile you're probably from the inishowen and for your information i had relatives that fought in both wars.
I have to say I enjoyed this documentary up until it focused on the 1919 War of Independence. Plenty of emphasis on the atrocities of the IRA but next to nothing about the horrific acts of the back & tans and the auxiliaries. Didn't show the whole picture, I'm disappointed.
TheCoffeybeans That is a kind of balance because you can find plenty on YT screaming hate at Britain and singing the praises of the IRA. But the IRA had killed about 90 mostly Irish Catholic policemen in the year before Black and Tans came. The IRA also had a wide definition of treason which included undertakers who arranged police funerals and threats to people subscribing to wreaths for their victims. The Black and Tans had been had only been in Ireland a week when 2 of them were stopped in a Dublin street taken into a back garden and shot through the head which was only what the IRA had been doing to some of the Irish police for a year. As war veterans they would not take that from the Germans and in reply they killed 2 IRA prisoners in Dublin Castle. In reply the IRA took 8 prisoners in an ambush in Cork a week later, shot and hacked therm to death and in 1966 put up a memorial to it. Look up "Police Casualties in Ireland 1919-1922 on Amazon which lists every police killing in the period to see what was going on. They are currently asking about £200 a copy but the reviews give a good idea of the story and it does not make comfortable reading. There is also "Slaughtered Like Animals" which rambles a bit but examines the ambush and several other incidents in more detail than usual.
+cman2223 Yes “800 years of oppression” one of the great one-liners of history but one-liners are not history they are propaganda.
As for “those 3 years”, in “Ireland 1912-65 Politics and Society” Professor Lee of Cork University thought the IRA were lucky they were not facing the Germans who, “Had ways of dealing with recalcitrant populations that made the Black and Tans look like Boy Scouts”
Regarding the Kilmicheal killings. The British, US, French, German and Russian armies to name but a few, have well attested cases against them of murdering prisoners, so prisoner murder is no big deal. However none of them go so far as to lie about the reasons, accuse the victims of crimes they never committed, sing loud songs in praise of their killings, or erect memorials on the site and commemorate cold blooded butchery as a great victory.
But if you think that’s a good thing - fine by me.
+TheCoffeybeans I must say I was disappointed myself and while trying to keep in mind balance was annoyed at how details of atrocities were 'dished out' for lack of a better term. in some of the previous episodes the emphasise some of the atrocities during attempted revolution, like I think it was ep2 or 3 in the 1200s? that Keane gives gory specifics of Irish catholics burning a barn full of 100 protestants and in another, marching mass numbers of protestants into a river to drown. Or specific details in this episode of how the policeman was shoot by Irish volunteers while holding his 5-year-old sons hand.
Yet details like food being exported out of Ireland to England during the blight and the black and tans Crooke park massacre are shearly overlooked. Bloody sunday got only 10secs of coverage for fucks sake. Very informative documentary for the most part but whether it's my own republicanism or the documentaries failure to treat war time atrocities as unrelevant equal on both sides that caused me get annoyed, the fact still stands... Fergal Keanes face is irritating as fuck to look at.
it was a military ambush against enemy soldiers. Not a slaughter of prisoners
Ever wonder why the Irish had almost nothing but potatoes to eat? Listen to Cinead O'Connor's recording "Famine".. You'll get a more accurate picture of what really happened.. On the internet you can find anything..
The population is now too large for everyone to have their own farm and so jobs and the politics effecting jobs are controlled by corporations many of which have global interests.
Yes but that was the unionists in the north ater partition that meant nothing, and you also have overlooked the fact that most catholics could not vote so the votes probably not a true reflection there ever hear of gerrymandering that was going on for ages before it came on the radar in derry years later.
Well, not all of them were Anglican. Many Irish Catholics did not want to break with the United Kingdom.
Hurry up the day when religion has no significant influence over us.
I want to agree with you, but I am immediately struck by the idiotic nature of racial hatred, which is surely at least as idiotic as religious hatred. Also I hear in my mind a quote from G.K. Chesterton: "the only thing more foolish than killing a man for his philosophy is to pretend that his philosophy doesn't matter."
This always seems to paint the Irish in bad light. and the loyalists/unionists/ in a better light.
Just as long as you don't think it's the real story no? ... it's a picture, deftly painted, by Fergals handlers ...
I enjoyed this documentary as a whole and it did have some good balance at times. However, I had a problem with a few of it's assertions.Starting from the beginning, The first that jumped out to me, and I see it a lot now is, whether or not the Irish were Celts because of questionable gaps in the the historical records or recent DNA findings. I find this question, or the outright assertion, to be very misleading. Just because they didn't use the word Celt to describe themselves? Please notice they didn't tell us what they did refer to themselves as either, so that doesn't come close to determining the issue one way or another. It is my understanding that the word "Celt" was a foreign term used to describe the similar tribes that migrated into Western Europe from Central Europe. Some of these tribes migrated west a lot earlier than than the others. Some also went more directly West to Western Europe and some went South-West eventually reaching different points in the Isles. The Gaels, being one these tribes, first passed through Spain, settling some, then leaving into Ireland. This would account for DNA similarities with Northern Spain especially. I don't think the the DNA similarities with Northern Spain mean that the Gaels were really Basque in DNA and culture when everything else found has shown ties to the other Celtic tribes. Even though there is a differnece in DNA with the Welsh and Bretons it is very small by comparison to other ethnic groups and they are still very close to one another. That's how I have understood it anyhow but maybe I'm missing something here. If I'm right though this could be a bad case of extreme revisionist history with an agenda. The other thing was the issue of Brian Boru and the vikings. Ok maybe a little revision is necessary to allow for some viking mercenaries on Brian's side and a good portion of Irish on the Dublin side but overall the story remains the same. Brian's side was still overwhelmingly Irish fighting for Irish control and the Dublin force was still, at least, half Viking, if not more, fighting for Viking control. I don't think there was a need to try to blur the lines and make it as if it was they were they widely diverse groups of no identity or purpose other than personal achievement. I think the comment linking racism and far right politics was a serious socialist/liberal attempt to slander conservatives as being racist when there are many, many conservatives who are minorities. Also, it was the far right policies of Abraham Lincoln's Republican party that pushed the freedom of African American's from slavery in the first place against the far left policies of democrats. Lastly, the emphasis on globalization being the key element for Ireland's success is a little suspicious. There is a globalization effort under way and I wonder if it's related. I was always surpised that with Ireland's history with unionism they went with the european union. I know there are big differneces but there are some small similarities with any kind of unionization. I don't think globalism and unionization is going to be a good thing in the long run. I think it's one of those things that sound good on the surface but is very decieving.
You see things back to front and upside down no? ... This is common amongst lowland anglophile people ... I hope you is fully aware that our unrivaled perversity of thought and speech will amuse no one of sound mind and will only in fact gaurantee that you is the lucky winner of a first class ticket to the centre of the fire that will never go out in the posthumous sense ... Pertinent1 has schooled you and there is no debate ...
did you watch all 5 parts? have you read anything about Irelands history?
we both did terrible things to each side, stop trying to stir the shit back up.
we're done with hate, we are who we are and if we a very few humans can't learn to get along and except who we are on both sides then it leaves me with little faith in humanity as a whole. we've learned from what happened, but we refuse to let it rule us. peace and love to all on my Island x
Well said. It's a tragic history but Ireland is in a better place now. The old myopia still persists though. The history of almost every country the world over is one of conquest and conflict, settlement, division, politics, religion, separation, complex geography and civil war. That's just the shortlist - then it gets even more complicated. The history of Ireland is a sad one but hardly unique.
Personally i think The savage eye of the catholic church is better but thats just my opinion