I reckon a recast would create such a backlash even the current ED producers known for their moronic decisions would not do that. And they certainly wouldn't bring Robert back without the intention of reuniting him with Aaron at some point, and there is no Robron without Danny and Ryan together- the whole thing revolves around their amazing chemistry and the magic it creates.
"Are you going to live the way you want to?" Powerful words. In living our life as we want to and as who we ARE, we open ourselves up to a world of darkness, hate and violence. Simply because we will live our -- OUR -- life as who we are.
Experiences like this absolutely contributes to internalised homophobia, and when a person feels that kind of intense shame about who they are and who they love, it can absolutely lead to them going back into the closet and hiding their true selves. Everyone who identifies as non-straight has some sort of internalised homophobia - for many it's negligable and for others it is crippling. We grow up in a world/society that promotes heterosexuality as the norm and therefore, explicitly or implicitly, homosexuality is cast as 'other'. Growing up in that world is hard and even when you don't come face to face with homophobia, it can make it difficult to accept yourself and be proud of who you are. Personally, I'm really happy that Emmerdale are highlighting this type of coming out process and how much Luke has struggled. Ironically, it is exactly this kind of representation, on television and elsewhere in films and tv series' that is reducing the amount of internalised homophobia people deal with, by normalising it and representing the community.
Yes I agree too. I'm glad they are showing this too👍. Them scenes had me in tears tonight 😭😭😭😭. I'm glad Luke is getting more screen time as hes my fav. Hes so gorgeous 😍
Woah, so this is totally different to Lee & Luke in real life lmao. So Lee beats up Luke for being gay in the soap. But in real life they are both gay and together.
I don't think Robert will come back, because even if Luke is responsible, Robert was still remain in prison (a shorter sentence most likely) for some time still.
@@jadebellinghamxox yeah but he had the nerve 2 go 2 court and watch Robert Sugden go down 4 murder and carried on hanging around watching Aaron break down
Soap law. Realty check . This would not get Robert off in the real world. But soap law will Also this story is officially a mess . None of what he says explains his character behavior
In the real world, it would affect Robert's conviction for murder as the new evidence would indeed require a re-look at the case. That said, even if Robert wasn't the killer, he still committed ABH, so yeah, even in the real world he'd remain in prison for time, though not life.
It doesn't change anything about Robert. As much as I would love him to come back, but Robert was the one who hit him so he ended up in hospital. Without that hit Lee would probably have survived.
We don’t know that tho Luke admitted that when he pushed Lee his head smacked off a step so a blow like that could have caused a slow bleed on the brain that would hand eventually killed him just his altercation with Robert sped up the profess
@@FashionablePoison But if hitting him over the head which results in death counts as murder, then a hit over the head which isn't the cause of death is still attempted murder. And he has been convicted for that hit over the head.
@@SkaterBlades it’s not that simple tho is it not after what Luke said. Lee had already had a battering off Luke prior to his fight with Robert. If Victoria finds out and pushes for Robert to file for an appeal this evidence alone could be enough to suspend Robert’s sentence. I mean Lee could have already had a bleed on the brain from his fight with Luke and he could have already have been dying and not knowing it before his fight with Robert
@@SkaterBlades Except not necessarily. Robert struck Lee on the side of the head, yet his death was attributed to a blow to the back of the head (that would be Luke's attack); re-watch the SL. So at best, it's 50/50, but there's a plausible plot point here that could change the game.
Ryan could be filming now for all we know. It's no coincidence that Daisy provided the public link to a new Ryan insta. The man is insanely anti-social media. Not to mention, he just had a baby and needs to work. Aaron has been doing virtually nothing onscreen. Wouldn't shock me in the least if ryan is back in the studio and nobody knows it.
My thoughts exactly! I'd love to see a prison storyline before his return to the village as well as something proper for Aaron too in the meantime. The writing is so bad nowadays, I really wish they'd sort it soon as, bringing back Maxine Alderton would work wonders, especially where Robron is concerned. It's ridiculous how Aaron is now just floating about aimlessly, as if his only purpose is to be someone's boyfriend. Surely they wouldn't bring Robert back without the intention of reuniting him with Aaron at some point and no-one wants that more than me, but come on, give the lads something better to do whilst we wait for them to become Robron again.
@@johnnyversace2512 Exactly! Aaron used to be a MAIN like he himself was a storyline with or without someone with him; now it just seems like he's a background character that they kinda just add into someone elses SL like his storyline attached to Liv after Rob left. It almost seemed like they were their first if that makes any sense at all, like they only brought aaron in to add to their characters when that wasn't at what happened... It seems like they're trying to like phase him out like they did with Patty and many MANY other characters. I've honestley stopped watching so i'm not 100%sure what's going on all the time i usually have to use context clues or something...
@@1234kristeen same here, I pretty much stopped watching after Aaron left for Scotland. I've seen some random snippets of the show but mostly just heard things from friends, and the things I've seen and heard leave a lot to be desired. This is why they need to find new writers and producers five minutes ago in order to give Robert the return he deserves, especially since his exit storyline was a disastrous pile of pants.
I think so too, Ryan wanted to do theatre but the pandemic hit and everything was on lockdown, he has a family now, he might have reconsidered his plans for a more stable income, well relatively stable in this industry...
They're actually gearing up for it based on the current writing. The mentions of Robert. When a character is not returning, but alive, they mentioning them in passing just to keep them aware. When a character is off canvas and they are being mentioned regular after not being mentioned for a lengthy period of time... that normally means the show is gearing up for a return - normally six months to a year prior. Then you have Aaron finally moving on. The pieces are pretty much there especially with the spoilers of Aaron saying he doesn't choose Robert... down the line he will always choose Robert.
If he was in a relationship with a man during the attack, when he met Victoria, why did he flirt with her? Guess they're going to recast Robert soon lol
@@gracebastowsheeran8794 even if he don't come back to Emmerdale, would love to see him in something else. Would even fly over to the UK to see him on stage. Very talented actor.
Even if Luke tells one day the violent assault committed by Lee and how he shoved him by self-defence, it won't be enough to make Robert go out of prison. Probably it might shorten the sentence, but so far nothing is certain and an eventual trial could won't happen before long. It takes lots of time to reopen a case, make new investigations, included medical researches on Lee's cadaver to find out new evidences.
Robert still ran him down. No one seems to get that. Robert still ran him down with intent to kill (which was understandable since he brutally raped his sister).
@@xxwhispersxx2856 Yes, Robert ran Lee down. But it doesn't matter now because even a new investigation could be done, it's not sure at all that the judges would change their sentence.
This storyline annoys me. Just the fact that if a man previously dates a man it means he cannot date a woman and want to. It just so overused and I do get it, it is an important storyline. However they are always doing them. It creates a stereotype. People can be in a opposite-sex relationship before and after dating a same sex relationship without being unhappy in it. People can like more then one gender and sometimes people’s sexuality can change.
Exactly! Even in the village, there's been a ton of bisexual (or pan etc) characters and the characters are still biphobic. People still think gay and straight are the only sexualities and I don't understand why it's so hard for them to realise that gender isn't everything and you can potentially like more than one or none at all.
From what I've seen, there are people on both sides of the scale(gay and straight) who don't think fluid sexuality is a real thing. Just people who are still a bit in denial over who they really are. There was an episode of Will & Grace where Will(gay character) tried to convince a bisexual young man that he was actually gay, but hadn't yet completely accepted himself. It got some backlash.
You didn't understand what Luke went through since Lee tried to kill him after he came out to his brother. He broke up with Steven, the love of his life, whom he was in relationship with. Luke wanted to protect Steven because Lee was dangerous. But as Lee suddenly died, Luke felt somehow guilty but couldn't tell the whole story to his mother and of course to the police either. Luke was so traumatized by the fact his own brother wanted to punish him for being in love with another man that he decided to struggle against his own desires. Maybe he was straight before he met Steven. We'll probably never know all details, and it doesn't matter anyway. Because Luke has been loving Victoria for months and is faithful in his feelings to her. Probably they both had sex together several times, otherwise Victoria would have confess some frustration if nothing physical had happened with Luke. But unfortunately, Luke is not strong enough to stay focused on one single attraction. Plus, he's a young, fit and attractive man who can easily seduce everybody, women or men, and without using any dating app. But in 2021, lots of people are obsessed with virtual chats and fantasms.
I honestly don't understand why they're still here like I get that they're the uncle and grandma to vic's baby but i just feel like they're here for a bigger reason, maybe that's bringing robert back maybe it's something else idk but I just think it's a bit weird that characters that were supposed to basically be passing through have stuck for so long
I don't really watch emmerdale anymore since 2019 around the time Robert went to prison but I think there should be a story Based on robert and Aaron were Robert Breaks free from prison and go's traveling to find his long lost love and to fight for the last happy ever after.❤❤😌
I hate it when soap operas do this. A murder has been done and settled - but wait, later it's revealed somebody else actually did it, and usually this is done because the person who's sitting in jail for the murder is a popular character whom they want to let off the hook, and the actual culprit isn't.
@OneGuardian Exactly! As if Luke would come out to Lee on the exact same day Lee got injured. Also, if the injuries Lee got from Luke were fatal, how was he able to walk about like nothing happened and why did he not have a scratch on him! He even got in a fight with Robert, no one slowly dying of a fatal injury gets into a fist fight like that. Not to mention when this actually happened, Lee wasn't even in the show and when he was introduced he was straight, a retcon within a retcon, the current writers are the worse Emmerdale writers in the history of the show by a mile, this isn't even the first time they've done something like this!
It's called creating drama and honestly, you can't deny it could be fun to see this play out, especially with Aaron and Ben being a thing, Luke in the closet while ghosting Ethan and the flirtatious Mack who, let's face it, is anyone's guess. Point being, if the audience wants it, you can bet the producers and writers will find a way to make it happen. Honestly, it would be better than the shlock they've been putting out the last year.
@@Brogan_Balfour_Crescent ohhh didn’t you know apparently people say we shouldn’t be labelled no more. F that know we should be labelled he is gay end off. All you new generation of mess ups need to accept it
It’s just a new generation who think they can change everything but they can’t So instead of living with it like a normal human being they make up stuff to twist the narrative. Another generation of fuck ups…. What a fantastic legacy
Why is it gay? Thought it was not about labels no more? So he is not gay. Seriously you new generation really need to toughen up stop being so sensitive. We have labels for a reason. You can’t change everything you don’t like so live with it
@@plooshface9362 you shut up… bloody new generation making up stuff to twist the narrative. There are some things in life that you can’t change that you just had to live with so live with it
I. FLIPPIN'. KNEW. IT.
Now bring back Robert already, we've been waiting for ages.
but will it be Ryan Hawley- Robert? not another actor!!
I reckon a recast would create such a backlash even the current ED producers known for their moronic decisions would not do that. And they certainly wouldn't bring Robert back without the intention of reuniting him with Aaron at some point, and there is no Robron without Danny and Ryan together- the whole thing revolves around their amazing chemistry and the magic it creates.
@@johnnyversace2512 totally agree. But if Robert came back, aside from his sister, he has no family to blackmail (which was always gave him an edge.)
@@LuisRodriguez-bo4xg???
I cant believe Lee and Luke are engaged irl but playing brothers here that is wilddddd
Feel bad Luke didn't deserve to have a brother so vile
Yeah exactly poor Luke 😭😭😭
"Are you going to live the way you want to?" Powerful words. In living our life as we want to and as who we ARE, we open ourselves up to a world of darkness, hate and violence. Simply because we will live our -- OUR -- life as who we are.
Experiences like this absolutely contributes to internalised homophobia, and when a person feels that kind of intense shame about who they are and who they love, it can absolutely lead to them going back into the closet and hiding their true selves. Everyone who identifies as non-straight has some sort of internalised homophobia - for many it's negligable and for others it is crippling. We grow up in a world/society that promotes heterosexuality as the norm and therefore, explicitly or implicitly, homosexuality is cast as 'other'. Growing up in that world is hard and even when you don't come face to face with homophobia, it can make it difficult to accept yourself and be proud of who you are. Personally, I'm really happy that Emmerdale are highlighting this type of coming out process and how much Luke has struggled. Ironically, it is exactly this kind of representation, on television and elsewhere in films and tv series' that is reducing the amount of internalised homophobia people deal with, by normalising it and representing the community.
Yes I agree too. I'm glad they are showing this too👍. Them scenes had me in tears tonight 😭😭😭😭. I'm glad Luke is getting more screen time as hes my fav. Hes so gorgeous 😍
Lol yeah, my closet door was almost a revolving door. every time i thought i was ready, some thing would happen and i would go back in.
I called this since before Robert even ended up in prison
Woah, so this is totally different to Lee & Luke in real life lmao.
So Lee beats up Luke for being gay in the soap.
But in real life they are both gay and together.
What?
Incest gay soap storyline that be interested. 😅
He's going to be Aaron's new love interest, and then it will be revealed that he killed Lee and Robert will finally come back.
I don't think Robert will come back, because even if Luke is responsible, Robert was still remain in prison (a shorter sentence most likely) for some time still.
He can't bc aaron hates him .. he and his brother ruined his life
FINALLY!!!! NOW BRING ROBERT SUGDEN BACK!!!!!!!!!! FOR GOODNESS SAKE
That would be awkward for Aaron and Ben now. I think they have a thing but I do miss Aaron and Robert.
Aleast he killer that lee
@@jadebellinghamxox yeah but he had the nerve 2 go 2 court and watch Robert Sugden go down 4 murder and carried on hanging around watching Aaron break down
Omg yesssss!!!!!
He should never have gotten life either way....it was manslaughter not murder...
Soap law. Realty check . This would not get Robert off in the real world. But soap law will
Also this story is officially a mess . None of what he says explains his character behavior
It will be changed from murder to manslaughter on appeal 🤔
It still gives reasonable Dought since they can't prove whether Lees death was caused by Robert or Luke
Why would she give Luke up to the police though?
In the real world, it would affect Robert's conviction for murder as the new evidence would indeed require a re-look at the case. That said, even if Robert wasn't the killer, he still committed ABH, so yeah, even in the real world he'd remain in prison for time, though not life.
It doesn't change anything about Robert. As much as I would love him to come back, but Robert was the one who hit him so he ended up in hospital. Without that hit Lee would probably have survived.
We don’t know that tho Luke admitted that when he pushed Lee his head smacked off a step so a blow like that could have caused a slow bleed on the brain that would hand eventually killed him just his altercation with Robert sped up the profess
@@Renwick19 then Robert's charge might be down to attempted murder or maybe manslaughter. Still probably not enough to bring him back.
Was any of this luke gay stuff featured on the show at the time or is it all made up now
@@HEY-gn5lx there's no way to prove who caused the bleed, that alone is enough for reasonable doubt.
@@FashionablePoison But if hitting him over the head which results in death counts as murder, then a hit over the head which isn't the cause of death is still attempted murder. And he has been convicted for that hit over the head.
So Luke is actually his brother Lee's Killer - not Robert Sugden. Ok, I'm confused?!
No, Lee was hospitalised by Robert, not luke, so Robert killed him
@@SkaterBlades it’s not that simple tho is it not after what Luke said. Lee had already had a battering off Luke prior to his fight with Robert. If Victoria finds out and pushes for Robert to file for an appeal this evidence alone could be enough to suspend Robert’s sentence. I mean Lee could have already had a bleed on the brain from his fight with Luke and he could have already have been dying and not knowing it before his fight with Robert
Can I ask . Was any of this Luke steve fight stuff on camera at the time
@@dwaynedibley997 no this is totally new info
@@SkaterBlades Except not necessarily. Robert struck Lee on the side of the head, yet his death was attributed to a blow to the back of the head (that would be Luke's attack); re-watch the SL. So at best, it's 50/50, but there's a plausible plot point here that could change the game.
Ryan could be filming now for all we know. It's no coincidence that Daisy provided the public link to a new Ryan insta. The man is insanely anti-social media. Not to mention, he just had a baby and needs to work. Aaron has been doing virtually nothing onscreen. Wouldn't shock me in the least if ryan is back in the studio and nobody knows it.
My thoughts exactly! I'd love to see a prison storyline before his return to the village as well as something proper for Aaron too in the meantime. The writing is so bad nowadays, I really wish they'd sort it soon as, bringing back Maxine Alderton would work wonders, especially where Robron is concerned.
It's ridiculous how Aaron is now just floating about aimlessly, as if his only purpose is to be someone's boyfriend. Surely they wouldn't bring Robert back without the intention of reuniting him with Aaron at some point and no-one wants that more than me, but come on, give the lads something better to do whilst we wait for them to become Robron again.
@@johnnyversace2512 Exactly! Aaron used to be a MAIN like he himself was a storyline with or without someone with him; now it just seems like he's a background character that they kinda just add into someone elses SL like his storyline attached to Liv after Rob left. It almost seemed like they were their first if that makes any sense at all, like they only brought aaron in to add to their characters when that wasn't at what happened... It seems like they're trying to like phase him out like they did with Patty and many MANY other characters. I've honestley stopped watching so i'm not 100%sure what's going on all the time i usually have to use context clues or something...
@@1234kristeen same here, I pretty much stopped watching after Aaron left for Scotland. I've seen some random snippets of the show but mostly just heard things from friends, and the things I've seen and heard leave a lot to be desired. This is why they need to find new writers and producers five minutes ago in order to give Robert the return he deserves, especially since his exit storyline was a disastrous pile of pants.
I think so too, Ryan wanted to do theatre but the pandemic hit and everything was on lockdown, he has a family now, he might have reconsidered his plans for a more stable income, well relatively stable in this industry...
They're actually gearing up for it based on the current writing. The mentions of Robert. When a character is not returning, but alive, they mentioning them in passing just to keep them aware. When a character is off canvas and they are being mentioned regular after not being mentioned for a lengthy period of time... that normally means the show is gearing up for a return - normally six months to a year prior. Then you have Aaron finally moving on. The pieces are pretty much there especially with the spoilers of Aaron saying he doesn't choose Robert... down the line he will always choose Robert.
If he was in a relationship with a man during the attack, when he met Victoria, why did he flirt with her?
Guess they're going to recast Robert soon lol
who knows with the pandemic hurting the acting profession, they might be able to entice Ryan to come back. Not sure if he working or not.
@@mikejordan6183 He hasn't been doing voiceover work in a while.
@@gracebastowsheeran8794 even if he don't come back to Emmerdale, would love to see him in something else. Would even fly over to the UK to see him on stage. Very talented actor.
Or Ryan could come back after his two episode stint on Silent Witness
@@mikejordan6183 Yeah me too.
Even if Luke tells one day the violent assault committed by Lee and how he shoved him by self-defence, it won't be enough to make Robert go out of prison. Probably it might shorten the sentence, but so far nothing is certain and an eventual trial could won't happen before long. It takes lots of time to reopen a case, make new investigations, included medical researches on Lee's cadaver to find out new evidences.
Robert still ran him down. No one seems to get that. Robert still ran him down with intent to kill (which was understandable since he brutally raped his sister).
@@xxwhispersxx2856 Yes, Robert ran Lee down. But it doesn't matter now because even a new investigation could be done, it's not sure at all that the judges would change their sentence.
It’s sounds like that Luke admitted it
Admitted what
If Robert comes back, Will it be Ryan???
This a confusing storyline.. as they were brothers in the village but are boyfriend and boyfriend in real life 🤔
I like this storyline as it gives my fav more screen time!
@@beccacostelloe04 as you are Irish too.. i give your comment a 👍😃🍀
@@boldhylandpaddy5288 Thanks I love Luke so much he is gorgeous imo 😍😍😍😍
@@beccacostelloe04 i feel the same about oti mabuse from the masked dancer 😂🍀
@@boldhylandpaddy5288 Luke 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
This storyline annoys me. Just the fact that if a man previously dates a man it means he cannot date a woman and want to. It just so overused and I do get it, it is an important storyline. However they are always doing them. It creates a stereotype. People can be in a opposite-sex relationship before and after dating a same sex relationship without being unhappy in it. People can like more then one gender and sometimes people’s sexuality can change.
Exactly! Even in the village, there's been a ton of bisexual (or pan etc) characters and the characters are still biphobic. People still think gay and straight are the only sexualities and I don't understand why it's so hard for them to realise that gender isn't everything and you can potentially like more than one or none at all.
From what I've seen, there are people on both sides of the scale(gay and straight) who don't think fluid sexuality is a real thing. Just people who are still a bit in denial over who they really are. There was an episode of Will & Grace where Will(gay character) tried to convince a bisexual young man that he was actually gay, but hadn't yet completely accepted himself. It got some backlash.
You didn't understand what Luke went through since Lee tried to kill him after he came out to his brother. He broke up with Steven, the love of his life, whom he was in relationship with. Luke wanted to protect Steven because Lee was dangerous. But as Lee suddenly died, Luke felt somehow guilty but couldn't tell the whole story to his mother and of course to the police either. Luke was so traumatized by the fact his own brother wanted to punish him for being in love with another man that he decided to struggle against his own desires. Maybe he was straight before he met Steven. We'll probably never know all details, and it doesn't matter anyway. Because Luke has been loving Victoria for months and is faithful in his feelings to her. Probably they both had sex together several times, otherwise Victoria would have confess some frustration if nothing physical had happened with Luke. But unfortunately, Luke is not strong enough to stay focused on one single attraction. Plus, he's a young, fit and attractive man who can easily seduce everybody, women or men, and without using any dating app. But in 2021, lots of people are obsessed with virtual chats and fantasms.
Does Wendy finally admit that her son was slime?
I honestly don't understand why they're still here like I get that they're the uncle and grandma to vic's baby but i just feel like they're here for a bigger reason, maybe that's bringing robert back maybe it's something else idk but I just think it's a bit weird that characters that were supposed to basically be passing through have stuck for so long
I don't really watch emmerdale anymore since 2019 around the time Robert went to prison but I think there should be a story Based on robert and Aaron were Robert Breaks free from prison and go's traveling to find his long lost love and to fight for the last happy ever after.❤❤😌
new to this storyline...anyone have a link to a good re-cap article? thanks
I hate it when soap operas do this. A murder has been done and settled - but wait, later it's revealed somebody else actually did it, and usually this is done because the person who's sitting in jail for the murder is a popular character whom they want to let off the hook, and the actual culprit isn't.
@OneGuardian Exactly! As if Luke would come out to Lee on the exact same day Lee got injured. Also, if the injuries Lee got from Luke were fatal, how was he able to walk about like nothing happened and why did he not have a scratch on him! He even got in a fight with Robert, no one slowly dying of a fatal injury gets into a fist fight like that. Not to mention when this actually happened, Lee wasn't even in the show and when he was introduced he was straight, a retcon within a retcon, the current writers are the worse Emmerdale writers in the history of the show by a mile, this isn't even the first time they've done something like this!
It's called creating drama and honestly, you can't deny it could be fun to see this play out, especially with Aaron and Ben being a thing, Luke in the closet while ghosting Ethan and the flirtatious Mack who, let's face it, is anyone's guess. Point being, if the audience wants it, you can bet the producers and writers will find a way to make it happen. Honestly, it would be better than the shlock they've been putting out the last year.
Poor luke
Knew it.
OMG 😳
I thought he was Bi.
Ohhh no hold on no “labels” now
@@jetnight88 ?
@@Brogan_Balfour_Crescent ohhh didn’t you know apparently people say we shouldn’t be labelled no more.
F that know we should be labelled he is gay end off.
All you new generation of mess ups need to accept it
It’s just a new generation who think they can change everything but they can’t So instead of living with it like a normal human being they make up stuff to twist the narrative.
Another generation of fuck ups…. What a fantastic legacy
Why is it gay? Thought it was not about labels no more?
So he is not gay.
Seriously you new generation really need to toughen up stop being so sensitive. We have labels for a reason.
You can’t change everything you don’t like so live with it
s H u T u P
People can use labels if they want and choose not to if they want
@@plooshface9362 you shut up… bloody new generation making up stuff to twist the narrative. There are some things in life that you can’t change that you just had to live with so live with it
@@plooshface9362 toughen your skin up there’s a time and place to be sensitive
@@jetnight88 What are these things we cannot change oh wise one?
Finally I want Robert back with Aaron and liv perfect family
Nope.
It might not be Ryan! Someone else could play Robert! Ryan isn't the first!
@@bcats9115 With Ryan or another actor, it doesn't make sense anyway.
@@bcats9115 I want Ryan to play him again
This storyline is a mess. Trying to make Luke gay just because he came out.
I like it as it gives my fav some screen time!
@@beccacostelloe04 just follow him on social media if that’s all you want
@@HaTer-xs8sh???? I like watching Emmerdale though!
Wdum? Is that not what coming out means being gay?
@@rehnumachowdhury3629 yeah but the actor came out in real life so they’re trying to make his character do the same