Tottenham to Highgate along the lost River Moselle (4K)
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In this video we pick up the trail of North London's lost River Moselle at Bruce Castle Tottenham and follow its course through Lordship Recreation Ground, through the Noel Park Estate to Wood Green. From here we cross the New River into Hornsey and Priory Park then across Crouch End Open Spaces to Queen's Wood Highgate where the Moselle rises.
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The sweet factory in Mayes Road Wood Green was "Barratts" - the smell from which is a vivid memory from my Wood Green '60s childhood
It's the best part of my Sunday to end the day with another fab video from you John. Didn't disappoint!
My grandfather worked for the Caxton Chocolate Company in Wood Green for many years before his retirement. I believe he was an engineer who maintained the machines that produced the chocolates. Hence the Caxton Road name. I always remember the box of various chocolate goodies that he received every year at Christmas as a thank you from the company - even in his retirement.
Thanks for your truly wonderful videos. They are an absolute delight. I particularly like the sheer joy and enthusiasm that you bring to the screen. Long may you continue!
Hornsey does have a lot of character. It’s a homey area and the light was fantastic this day.
In Hornsey Park Rd, N8, near where you walked John, is a (fairly new) pocket park which lies on top of the Moselle culvert. It includes an extensive water feature referencing the Moselle, and a new artwork called ‘Course & Flow’ by artist Rachael Champion. It's a 3D representation in stone of the course of the river. If you're tall enough, you can just about look over the wooden fence nearby and there is a glimpse of the Moselle as it emerges from its culvert under the railway and the New River. Well worth a visit if you're in the area..
The factory was Barratts sweet factory, John. Makers of numerous sweets, the Sherbert Fountain being one of the most famous.
I must say with delight that I loved all those said sweeties
brilliant many thanks
The blend of the sweet factory aroma and some smells from the water treatment works were always a "joy"when I used to walk to Wood Green from Hornsey.
Very interesting walk. Back in the late 60's, I went to St David's School (now St Mary's) in Rectory Gardens. Outside of the school hall, there was a long corridor where we had to queue up for lunch. At one place in the corridor, the floor tiles were always coming loose. We were told it was caused by the Moselle River running directly under the school.
Thanks for splitting the Moselle walk into 2 parts. So enjoyable. You're good company.
I used to live on Broadwater Road in the 70s and went to Somerset School on Lordship Lane.The school backed onto Broadwater Farm estate on one side and the recreation ground [the Big Rec we called it]on another side. Every day during lunch time and after school we would do the jumps,jumping from one side of the Moselle to the other,or the Moee as we called it then,hoping to see someone fall in.Good days and watching this brought it all back to me,keep up the good work.
Thanks John for this video. Apart from Moselle Avenue and Gladstone Avenue (the Prime Minister at the time) the roads in the Noel Park Estate were named after people associated with the company that built the estate. The visible part of the river in Lordship Recreation Ground is actually a rerouted section with original course by the duck pond and can still be seen. The whole area between Mayes Road and Western Avenue was the Barrett's Sweet Factory. The main office in Mayes Road used to have packets in the windows of all the different brands they used to make there. In the 60s there was a childrens paddling pool in Queens Wood about where the frog pond is now.
Thanks for that info Kenneth
Salisbury and Darwin Roads are also named after prominent Victorians
My dad's mum and dad lived in 132 Gladstone Avenue and I had a great aunt and uncle who lived in 18 Farrant Avenue also in Noel.Park.
So enjoyed this 2nd walk.Had an aunt live in Moselle Ave. Gosh Wood Green has certainly changed since 1960s !!!Wonderful John, thank you 😊
I was born in Hornsey in 1949, went everywhere around the area as a child / teenager, never saw the Moselle above ground anywhere, the New river in those days was crystal clear with streaming weed and full of fish, and the whole place had a feel of a village.
thank ou so much John your time and effort is always appreciated. Bob
Hi, John. Great to see that we are in sync with our enthusiasm for Wood Lane and that area general. I am familiar with this part of London from when I walked the entire London Underground 2018/19. Enjoyed it so much that I visited it again, a few months ago, just to soak up the atmosphere !
You mean Wood Green not Lane?
There is a Lordship Lane in Dulwich as well. A lovey walk out and great to see the sun again! 🌞
I used to get stopped a lot and asked if I was Sean Hughes.
As I often say in the comments, the joy of a river walk is seeing places that I would not ordinarily walk through. Thanks once again.
Great walk. Liked the Sean Hughes reference. Sat next to him at a Crystal Palace match once. Nice guy. Very much missed.
Just to say John I lived in Coburg Road for the first six years of my life right beside the railway used to fall asleep to the sounds of coal trucks being shunted ,so thanks so much , had an aunty that lived in Knole Park estate,and I remember Wood Green when the Coop was on the site of the shopping centre and the bus garage was a trolley bus garage and the huge council offices complex didn't exist , I think there was a library on that site , there was also a railway that went across the road to Palace Gates station from Seven Sisters and there was a sweet factory and a Gas Works we used to sledge down the Alexandra Palace hill on metal trays in the winter , there was also a Horse racing track very popular , I used to go to Lordship Lane recreation to ride my bike as a kid ,many thanks John , made my day ❤️🌈☮️☯️☸️🇺🇦
And where that alley is used to be where the now long gone railway bridge crossed Wood Green High Road.
Lovely you mention Sean Hughes. Ive been rewatching Sean’s Show a lot in recent years as both series are on the Channel 4 archive. There’s some amazing cameos on there as well including Robert Smith, who was good friends with Sean I think and also Gareth Southgate along with the whole Crystal Palace squad who Gareth played for at the time, and who are Sean’s team obviously. It’s poignant you end the walk at Highgate as there is actually a bench in the woods there that bears a commemorative plaque and dedication to Sean who used to sit there often. Sean’s writing & poetry is also brilliant and well worth a read.
Hi John - great video. I was born in Crouch End so still visit a lot the areas you show in Hornsey particularly Middle Lane, Priory Park and Crouch End Playing Fields. I have seen the course of a stream through Queens Wood which runs down to a brick dam at the end of the alley way that leads to Wood Vale. If you cross over Wood Vale and go into the Playing Fields and take a hard right you can see the stream that skirts the back of the Wood Vale houses. It then tends to curve round to take an easterly direction before going into a culvert. I remember in the late 60's kids swinging across the stream on a dangling rope from a tree near this culvert when the stream was open. Nearly summer so I will go up to Highgate Woods via Queens Wood to watch the cricket on the green and have a nice lunch in the cafe. Now to watch Part 1!!
Thanks John, Keep Safe. see you next Sunday.
Finally I can face the coming week. A JR video, the best part of any week
Stephen King's "Crouch End" is a favorite of mine. You really brought it to life...or death....as it were....for me. Thanks John.
You've walked right past my house - walked in Priory Park this afternoon
Fascinating to see how following a hidden river takes you through such interesting and varied landscapes. Wonderful video. Thank you.
Great walk and good of you to give the chap a shout out 🤩
I love these lost river walks set against the backdrop of the busy streets, where history and modern day meet. And never worry about mentioning your book, This Other London. I cherish my signed copy! Another top walk, John. Thank you
Thanks Ali
Your lost river walks are so amazing!
Once again, just wonderful 🍀
Loved your ramble along the rivers of London very interesting 🧐
Love a river walk - have a great week John - thanks so much for the video
Thank you, many memories!
Thanks John for another wonderful video. Always interesting and beautifully filmed. Thank you for allowing me to walk with you vicariously. Look forward to your next video. Have a great week
cheers Humble
Thank you so much for your wonderful walks & positivity 🌻🌻
Another excellent Lost Rivers of London walk, an absolute Sunday delight, many thanks for another great walk, take care
Brilliant. Thank you for coming back to finish the whole route of the Moselle.
Fantastic watch always look forward to Sunday evenings new adventure !
My Wife thinks it's a bit odd me watching a bloke filming himself going on a walk. However having watched this one with me , not only did she enjoy it , she said " What a lovely man " so there you go John another convert to your fabulous channel...
Brilliant John, love the lost river walks.
Thanks again John. These walks are the high light of my week.
Lovely second part to the Moselle walk. Well worth the wait. Thanks John.
Only just got round to watching this walk. And what a treat it was I wonder how many buried and lost rivers we walk over and don’t even realise what’s beneath us?
All the best John 👍🏻
Thanks John for another Great Walk, brought back lots of memories of the area.
Hugely enjoyable. I too love this part of London. Look forward to the next one! 👍
what a beautiful walk john
Another great lost river walk John thoroughly enjoyable and interesting as always!!
Fabulous, loved the walk. What a stellar day
The music in the videos gives me chance to reflect on london Thankyou🥰 so much nonsense on youtube this is the best channel ever
An excellent end to the journey of the Moselle … lovely film 👍
As always fantastic, keep going, love your work.
It’s so very peaceful to walk with you in London in spring. Thank you.
These are great videos John, the lost rivers are just fascinating. Cheers buddy
Thanks John, great mystical river walk - Cheers mate...
Cheers Ralph
Hi john I love your videos they are so great thank you please keeping on posting them
Lovely interesting walk John. I walked that way over the past lockdowns. Hornsey is an interesting place for sure... lovely old houses. The new river stretch you passed, I like too and the large housing blocks built in that area have really expanded, more being built I believe... It's fascinating to think of those past riverways, I wish I could go back in time to see what they were really like.
Excellent like always. Thanks. I am reading your book 📕 very interesting 👏👏👍
Another great video John ! thankyou very much .
this is very near towards me. Fantastic walking video, keep up the amazing work john.
What a great journey with you. Memories, some good and some not so good but your gentle ways always bring me enjoyment. Thank you
Thank you. Nothing to add but very enjoyable and informative. Helps me appreciate the environment around me. Cheers
Was waiting all day for this 🎉🎉🎉🎉🥳🥳
Loving the content John 😊
Thanks!!
Likewise🎉🎉
Stunning walk , parts 1&2 thank you so much for inclueding the Elmhurst at the start, this part of London has brought the memeries flooding back.
I had an Uncle from Tottenham, who was always talking about Bruce Grove and Lordship Lane for some reason. Would be interested to know the history of that Bruce Castle though. Interesting looking building.
Great walk - love seeing the Spring there - still very wintery here in Wisconsin.
Yet again ... the boy delivered. Very high standard met. Thanks john.
My pleasure Paul - thanks
once again you give us a cracking informative film.thanks.
Greatly enjoyed, John.
Thank you for mentioning Mr Farrant . Xxx sadly missed xxx
Your video brought back many happy memories I mean't to say.
New River path traces one of my family line journeys.
From Ware into Tottenham shoemakers
Great series of videos.. encourages me to look with new eyes at my own city (Edinburgh) !
John - one thing to note which you sadly missed on the walk. On the junction of Moselle Avenue N22 and Vincent Road N22 is an old bridge of where the Moselle crossed when it was above ground. It was a shame you didn’t get that in the video.
Other than that - brilliant
Are you sure? Just looked on Google Street View and could see no sign of it?
I've never seen a bridge, lived nearby for years.
Yeah it’s there. Just walk up Vincent Road a little near the junction of Moselle and you will see it. Only a small bridge
@@liamdavis2556 Strange. Just looked again. No sign of it.
The strange case of the disappearing bridge...
Another voyage of discovery for me, great stuff sir! Love the look of Hornsey too...planning a few little jaunts into London in Summer/Autumn this year & will put it on my list...
You make me feel as if I’m there . Thank you
Another fantastic walk John. This one is particularly close to me, my late father was always talking about the Moselle. Growing up in Hornsey I have only recently begun to appreciate (thanks to following your work) how the river was intertwined with my early life At 22.40 for example the river runs below the dip of the alley and I crossed this almost every day without knowing why there was an odd dip that flooded when it rained.
I almost missed your passing reference to Ferme Park Road, which was my first post-marriage abodeback in 1981. A really grim fla,t right by a bus stop where those on the top deck could see right into our living room window. Not the worst place I lived in London (South Lambeth Road has that honour) but sufficiently nostialgic for me to remember it with some fondness. I too was a fan of Sean Hughes and his absurdist/chaotic comedy. Sadly missed.
You're also not far from Fortis Green Road, which back in the 70s was where Ray Davies of the Kinks lived. (he may still be there, for all I know)
I'm really loving these lost river walks.
The Sean of the Dead House is actually on the corner of Nelson Road and Weston Park. The little shop he goes into is just across the street on Weston Park. But Simon Pegg did used to drink (and play pool) in the Hornsey Tavern on the High Street, and recruited a bunch of the regulars there to be zombies.
Thanks for sharing that Jim
I recreated the scene from the film where Sean walks to the Corner Shop - it’s in a video called London’s Northern Heights
I remember years ago in the 70s a friend of the family lived in Morley Ave The houses are beautiful. I thought I imagined these houses. Thank you for a lovely walk.
Really nice walk, I lived in Crouch end in the late 70s although my girlfriend I lived with always referred to us as living in Muswell hill !
Nevertheless I loved going around Hornsey and it always felt special as you said although I cannot put words to it just like it’s own unique place,
Thank you for refreshing some happy thoughts from the days of flared trousers and tins of hofmeister larger
That helped me escape for an half hour great stuff.
The poetry of crumpled curled peg board that’s Zen.
Haringey is such a fantastic borough.
15.58 - that estate is called New River Village, built 2004-08 by St James property developers, on land that was formerly a part of the Thames Water water treatment plant you feature earlier in the video. hth :)
Great walk john,thank-you for capturing the feeling,of that area,love it had friends there in the 80s,but I was always glad to get back to west London,I always found it a bit sombre,the pubs were the same.
Very interesting video. I will probably.watch it again. Nice to ser my home town of Wood Green, Noel Park where two of my grandparents lived, I had a great aunt and uncle who lived there too. Also nice to see Bruce Castle which I have been to several times. Your video brought back
Really enjoyed this, great film John, I used to live on Church Lane, Hornsey in mid 80s when attending Middlesex Poly, loved that area too
both videos John....its been a great delight.....looking forward to the Effra video, I lived on Effra road Wimbledon for a short time..represented my old school there at Cricket..
Thank you so much for this video, you really got the area on an amazing day! When I worked for Haringey council in the 1990's, it always seemed grey, and the streets were known for muggings and crime. This video has reminded me that Haringey is an area which also has tremendous beauty..thanks again!
Things have changed.
Marvellous & revelatory as per. Incidentally, Hornsey was also the birthplace of improviser, composer and Henry Cow alumnus, Lindsay Cooper.
Yes, Jeremy ! So many Wood This and Wood That's....thanks for correcting my error.
Wood Green, Hornsey, Muswell Hill, Highgate and Crouch End are your favourite places to walk and so do I.
the river does indeed run under the road where the "white van" was, a 2metre brick wall with parapet is the clue, but goes up adjacent to the park under the concrete block covers. In the park at the junction with Broadwater Farm Estate is where the river gushes underground. A lot more water here than is channeled through the cemetery, so it is my understanding that part of the flow is diverted under Bruce Grove. I could be wrong of course but a few of the metal covers along the pavement show the NR logo. (NR standing for New River i believe). Also should you go into the cemetery and see where the river comes in, you will notice that another tributary joins which runs alongside the houses by the lake goes under the A10 and under Rivulet road under White hart Lane and starts just behind the petrol station area. All of which is culverted so is not visible.
Radagast, would be my bet, great video as usual John, love watching these, been a life saver over lockdown, please keep them coming :)
absolutely spot on!
@@JohnRogersWalks That was instantly my guess too. Lovely walk, thank you, taking me to places just off the edge of my old stamping ground. Worth a wander on its own, the old LCC Tower Gardens Estate - if you thought Noel Park was pretty, the streets within the Roundway and its own little park has a magic all of its own on a summer evening. An amazing contrast with Broadwater Farm. All the same people, but housed in a very different way. Kids still play out in the streets there. If you can't walk it, worth a Google walk at least.
Hope you had a nice cup of tea in the cafe John. Had a pit stop walking the Capital Ring once, lovely!
Hey John. I was just thinking about popping out, then your alert came up. I think I’ll watch this first.
Blimey, I was born in Chandos Road, and Broadwater Farm and Lordship Park was part of my playground.
Great stuff, thanks John
Very enjoyable.Thank you.
Cheers Carl
Way to go John. Keep up the good work!
Thanks John
Great video, lovely weather for it! I liked seeing the old houses in Broadwater Road, reminded me of the Warner Houses in Walthamstow, if you know of them? (Some in /near Pretoria Road, by Stoneydown Park.) I recommend reading "Sean's Book", kind of autobiography of Sean Hughes, very touching. Great bloke, RIP. Some great areas of old houses, lovely trees and greenery bisected by mad traffic! That's London! Thanks John!
John delivers again!!
cheers Rick
Thanks John!
my pleasure Tom