Turning Water into Rock with Hydraulic Press

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  • čas přidán 15. 09. 2023
  • Pushing the Limits to Create ICE VI: We're back with our custom-made CNC machined billet cylinder, this time cranking the pressure up to an astonishing 120,000 bars. That's enough force to transform water into a solid state known as ICE VI-making it as hard as rock! This pressure far surpasses the deepest point of the ocean, the Mariana Trench, and is exponentially greater than the pressure at the Titanic wreck site.
    We've calibrated our hydraulic press to achieve this mind-boggling force, all backed up with rigorous testing and real-time calculations. Plus, we've got a water phase diagram on hand to show you exactly what's going on during this insane transformation.
    As a bonus, we'll also delve into the fascinating science behind the compressibility of water vs steel, showcasing how much easier it is to compress water than steel at 5000+ bars. You won't believe your eyes when you see water turn into 'stone'!
    Stay tuned for some jaw-dropping moments and an unprecedented experiment that you won't find anywhere else!
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  • @HydraulicPressChannel
    @HydraulicPressChannel  Před 9 měsíci +391

    I decide to go all in with the mad scientist approach :D If you have any ideas to improve the setup please let me know for future videos! I a have also the fine publication "[22] Methods for the Study of Water in Ice Phases " By W. F. KUHS that I am going to utilize on planning future videos on this series!

    • @user-db5qd3wd6z
      @user-db5qd3wd6z Před 9 měsíci +26

      Cut open one of the parts that failed, you may be getting a rough finish on the parts being pressed together causing the leak. Might require more research into compatible materials.

    • @pauzepauze2007
      @pauzepauze2007 Před 9 měsíci +14

      As water finally gushed out, it means it found a path to get out. Maybe both surfaces must be super smooth with no trace of any roughness so we limit where the water can get out. But I gues it's one part of a bigger picture. Keep up the good work! For science!

    • @sootikins
      @sootikins Před 9 měsíci +5

      @@britmeister Highly doubtful. To begin with the thermal properties and the viscosity are all wrong for the application.

    • @bobqzzi
      @bobqzzi Před 9 měsíci +5

      Make the outer ring out of a hardenable steel (4340?), machine it, get it hardened and hone to final size- make the interference much less so it doesn't tear the steel.

    • @WoodworkerDon
      @WoodworkerDon Před 9 měsíci +5

      I think the only ways to improve the setup are to add more Safety/Clickbait Tape and Googly Eyes.

  • @Rsenior1981
    @Rsenior1981 Před 9 měsíci +2468

    Unfortunately during high transient compression you are heating the water too. You need to increase pressure, then hold it to make sure the water sample cools back down to room temperature.

    • @vj420
      @vj420 Před 9 měsíci +140

      came here to say that, on the pressure/tempurature graph, you can see this, in the first test, you could see the escaping water steaming. pressing in stages, or using cold (but not frozen) water + cold tools to start.

    • @derkeksinator17
      @derkeksinator17 Před 9 měsíci +71

      Additionally the pressure is defined as kg/cm², not sure if he took the area of the piston into account. Anyway, reducing the area of the piston is the eay to go, if you want to achieve extremely high pressures. A smaller bore would yield less as well, which should result in a higher pressure too.

    • @ab2tract
      @ab2tract Před 9 měsíci +32

      i mean how much heat is being created with friction just from pushing the metal plug into an increasingly small diameter hole into the block...even without water and/or air..

    • @Boss-Possum
      @Boss-Possum Před 9 měsíci +29

      I think the pressure causes the heating not the friction. Just like the space shuttle coming in from orbit, the air pressure on the heat shield heats it up and not so much the friction.

    • @damon20r
      @damon20r Před 9 měsíci +43

      @@Boss-Possum It's actually the friction of the air against the shields that creates the heat when re-entering the atmosphere.

  • @YodaWhat
    @YodaWhat Před 9 měsíci +161

    *If the roller bearing piston was hollow on the lower end instead of solid, the water pressure inside the hollow would push the piston metal outwards, thus creating a tighter seal.* At present, your design has this pressurized water expanding only the borehole in the large block of metal, which then loosens and destroys the good seal you are seeking. As the inside diameter of the hollow piston is made larger, the sealing pressure will increase, but you can't make the wall too thin because you need those walls to resist the sideways forces of the _not perfectly rigid_ frame of the hydraulic press. (A tapered hollow can give you the best of both worlds.)
    You actually need _at least part of_ the piston metal to deform more easily than the cylinder metal. You could try putting a much softer metal, such as lead or copper, as the hollow lower end of the hard metal piston. Being softer, that metal will deform more easily, making a tight seal that still has reasonably low friction... Much like a bullet in a high-powered rifle.
    But notice that bullets are NOT made with a significant hollow on the bottom, because they could seal too tightly and make the gun explode. Related issue: A downside of this _hollow bottom_ approach is, it becomes difficult to determine how much of your compressive force is being consumed by piston friction. A possible solution to that is to have a small tapered plug of some metal that will remain solid until you have exceeded your target pressure, and then exceed the plug's yield strength and be extruded. By knowing the yield strength of the plug metal, you can calculate how much hydraulic pressure is needed to make it extrude.
    And Yes, definitely DO polish the mating surfaces, at least of the hard metals. @HydraulicPressChannel

  • @cdl0
    @cdl0 Před 9 měsíci +382

    Fun fact: water has more known phases than any other pure material. The weird properties of water are in part due to its hydrogen bond having a polarizable dipole, and the C2v point group symmetry of the molecule. Good video.

    • @newagetemplar6100
      @newagetemplar6100 Před 9 měsíci +10

      I like fun facts and this is the second one this morning from YT ❤lol
      Best education platform in history some may say , once one has worked out what’s fact . Your comment is slightly outside my knowledge base but still welcomed 👍

    • @cdl0
      @cdl0 Před 9 měsíci +5

      @@newagetemplar6100 Yes, there are loads of educational videos on CZcams from children's level up to top-level research seminars on every possible subject.

    • @DEATHTOTHESHITTERS
      @DEATHTOTHESHITTERS Před 9 měsíci +9

      Yes and Moses parted water into Hydrogen and oxygen.

    • @strangelee4400
      @strangelee4400 Před 9 měsíci +2

      You mean it's wet?

    • @johnsimun6533
      @johnsimun6533 Před 9 měsíci +2

      Yes, it’s that wet wet.

  • @aerialcat1
    @aerialcat1 Před 9 měsíci +327

    Leaving an air pocket may be self defeating as air temperature increases dramatically as it’s compressed… Your experiments in physics are entertaining as hell.

    • @herrkulor3771
      @herrkulor3771 Před 9 měsíci +16

      And it is soluble in water.

    • @Lilith-Rose
      @Lilith-Rose Před 9 měsíci +13

      Ice VI is solid at higher temperatures, its created by pressure not low temperatures, the air would be long dissolved before that point anyway

    • @markfergerson2145
      @markfergerson2145 Před 9 měsíci +5

      @@Lilith-Rose?
      You can make different forms of ice by adding or removing heat while keeping the pressure constant. This is complicated by different ices having different densities though. Ice VI is about 1.3 times as dense as water, ice VII about 1.5 times as dense (both would sink in water if they could be sufficiently contained). This means that you’d have to apply or remove pressure while adding or removing heat because the same weight of different ices have different volumes.

    • @Hukkinen
      @Hukkinen Před 9 měsíci

      As the total energy of the system is constant, just wonder...hmm...

  • @Joel-st5uw
    @Joel-st5uw Před 9 měsíci +160

    I think you should back-drill the failed tools, press the plug out and look exactly what happened. I'm super curious to find out! Did it cut little channels? Did the roller crack? Did something else happen? So many questions! The answers might be valuable info for your next try, too.

    • @dimitar4y
      @dimitar4y Před 9 měsíci +18

      water probably "Squeezed" the hole bigger.

    • @jodicobb6382
      @jodicobb6382 Před 9 měsíci +3

      Curious minds think alike.

    • @jnawk83
      @jnawk83 Před 8 měsíci +3

      i wonder what dangers are inside...

  • @PaulG.x
    @PaulG.x Před 9 měsíci +15

    One of the phrases I've regretted: "I'm just going to push it in anyway"

  • @crandonborth
    @crandonborth Před 9 měsíci +159

    Honestly the science test are my favorite types of your videos. I enjoy smashing things but I feel like learning from the physics is far more fascinating. 👍

  • @nanaki-seto
    @nanaki-seto Před 9 měsíci +83

    I think they start with normal ice as the higher stage ice 6 and 7 is basically removing the space from the ice molecules and forcing them back in to waters state while keeping it solid. It behaves less like rock or ice or water and more like metal

    • @markfergerson2145
      @markfergerson2145 Před 9 měsíci +20

      Filling the bottom tool space with distilled water and freezing it before applying pressure does seem like the way to go.

    • @maxhartung97
      @maxhartung97 Před 9 měsíci +11

      So if we had an ocean like 250 km deep, and we did go near the bottom, we couldn t go farther down because the water being almost solid ? I am understanding it right ?

    • @CreamusG
      @CreamusG Před 9 měsíci +4

      @@maxhartung97 Correct. The deepest water on earth is only ~10km deep, however, so we're a long way from that. The pressure was part of the reason going down to the bottom of the mariana trench was such a feat. Given that the earth's crust is at most ~70km deep, we probably won't be seeing water in nature in a mineral form anytime soon.

  • @theoriginalrecycler
    @theoriginalrecycler Před 9 měsíci +194

    Press a deformable plug ahead of the steel rod, so that the deformable plug becomes a wiper seal as it is compressed between the water and the steel rod.

    • @vihreelinja4743
      @vihreelinja4743 Před 9 měsíci +30

      Also should try freezing the parts and start with ice to minimize any leak before getting in to real pressures. And yes softer materials could work better as those hard metal could get micro fractures from being forced together and the water can escape. Softer material should seal better in my theory of all things soft and then hard :D

    • @anoninunen
      @anoninunen Před 9 měsíci +7

      Brass? Coper?

    • @seanthompson6720
      @seanthompson6720 Před 9 měsíci +10

      or wire EDM to cut the part

    • @DUKE_of_RAMBLE
      @DUKE_of_RAMBLE Před 9 měsíci +14

      I was going to say Lead, but that might have too low of a melting point... 🤔
      In the Sticky thread, a few of us have independently come to the conclusion of a concave piston, to force the pressure into the center. Instead of the flat piston which is wanting to spread pressure across the entire surface; thus, escaping out the sides.

    • @Lilith-Rose
      @Lilith-Rose Před 9 měsíci +21

      Bronze is what is usually used for high pressure seals like this

  • @Cheeto_Fingerz
    @Cheeto_Fingerz Před 9 měsíci +1039

    Every week, Lauri gets closer and closer to actually generating a miniature black hole in the shop. Like I genuinely see that happening in the next few years.

    • @vectro4284
      @vectro4284 Před 9 měsíci +9

      You will have to shrink it down to the size of an atom 😂

    • @Grivlir
      @Grivlir Před 9 měsíci +32

      This week, we will crush all matter into rock...

    • @captainretro373
      @captainretro373 Před 9 měsíci +13

      Making black hole into rock

    • @LPMutagen
      @LPMutagen Před 9 měsíci +19

      Fortunately, he will have to pass through room temperature fusion, which will solve all the world's problems.

    • @Bob-nk6ts
      @Bob-nk6ts Před 9 měsíci +6

      I believe in him

  • @samheinrichs8366
    @samheinrichs8366 Před 9 měsíci +102

    This is killer. I want you to do a collaboration with NileRed where you create some insane shit through high pressure.

  • @Vastafari34
    @Vastafari34 Před 9 měsíci +3

    Your ability to speak English so fluently, with such an epic accent makes me so happy.

  • @Nefville
    @Nefville Před 9 měsíci +7

    "So nobody's going to die today, that's always good goal" 🤣

  • @kevinbeach2383
    @kevinbeach2383 Před 9 měsíci +63

    Thanks for taking time to do those experiments. Very interesting. Should you carefully cut the test pieces open and see if anything is below the bearing?

  • @TexRobNC
    @TexRobNC Před 9 měsíci +2

    Dude. I have gotten after CZcamsrs for "phoning it in" and getting lazy as they get bigger. It's not a condemnation, but more of a warning that if you get lazy, you'll lose people. You have stepped this to a level that is the opposite of that, you got huge, and said, "I'm not done, not resting", and while everyone doesn't have to do this, it should be seriously celebrated and praised. Awesome stuff man, you've re-hooked me.

  • @KClO3
    @KClO3 Před 9 měsíci +34

    Now your next step is simulating nuclear explosion with flash powder, it has same temperature as nuclear fireball after 1 second :D

    • @HydraulicPressChannel
      @HydraulicPressChannel  Před 9 měsíci +11

      We already made a nuclear explosion simulation video. Didn't use flashpowder, went with 25 kilos of dynamite :D here is link to that czcams.com/video/ZA1UnzrR6f0/video.htmlsi=tcpV1dCZkztstPMV

    • @KClO3
      @KClO3 Před 9 měsíci +5

      @@HydraulicPressChannel yes but the dynamite doesn't reach nearly as high temperature ;)

    • @HydraulicPressChannel
      @HydraulicPressChannel  Před 9 měsíci +10

      @@KClO3 Yep the thermal radiation was missing from this dynamite. I can do some math and maybe do a miniature version with flashpowder. It's not to safe handle that in such a large quantities as dynamite.

    • @KClO3
      @KClO3 Před 9 měsíci +6

      @@HydraulicPressChannel I will email you with further helpful information

    • @nameismetatoo4591
      @nameismetatoo4591 Před 9 měsíci +5

      Hell, he could probably initiate a nuclear explosion with the press.
      "Today we will be crushing this strange metal ball. It weighs about 6.2 kilos..."

  • @nrbudgen
    @nrbudgen Před 9 měsíci +7

    Here on the Canadian Prairies temperatures during winter can be as low as -40 Celsius, presumably similar to Finland. The city that I live in has complained that when the ice is thick and compressed on roads it's hard enough to damage the blades of the plows and graders. Somewhat related is that the steel on cars involved in fender-benders tends to shatter rather than bend at those temperatures.

  • @pe8268
    @pe8268 Před 9 měsíci +71

    Homeboy is out here making Ice 6, I guess Finnish people are just built different XD
    Jokes aside, this is an incredibly fascinating video!

    • @ebnertra0004
      @ebnertra0004 Před 9 měsíci

      This is only the start. The real goal is to get Ice 5,000,000

  • @cantbeatpie
    @cantbeatpie Před 9 měsíci +13

    I read a book on super high pressures years ago where they used gaskets made out of soapstone (probably contained within steel) when doing the first experiments to make synthetic diamonds. I wonder if that could work here?

    • @benvaun1330
      @benvaun1330 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Probably this with tighter tolerances on the machining. Like those laser cut cnc'd pieces that slowly slide into themselves and you can't see the seams.

    • @JoeBLOWFHB
      @JoeBLOWFHB Před 9 měsíci +4

      ​@@benvaun1330I think you mean Electrical Discharge Machining EDM is different from a laser.

    • @jaymanier7286
      @jaymanier7286 Před 9 měsíci +2

      Wire EDM

    • @Airclot
      @Airclot Před 9 měsíci +3

      high-pressure research uses a mineral called pyrophyllite these days.

  • @GOAT_GOATERSON
    @GOAT_GOATERSON Před 9 měsíci +106

    This is so cool, this reminds of that water planet that has oceans that are several hundreds km deep. Really awesome

    • @ferretyluv
      @ferretyluv Před 9 měsíci +2

      I think that’s Europa.

    • @GOAT_GOATERSON
      @GOAT_GOATERSON Před 9 měsíci

      @@ferretyluv no, I looked it up and I meant gj1214b czcams.com/video/9mVRc80vhhQ/video.htmlm44s

    • @UniverseUA
      @UniverseUA Před 9 měsíci +5

      ​@@ferretyluvEuropa is a moon, Kepler-22b is an exoplanet

    • @ryanvess6162
      @ryanvess6162 Před 9 měsíci +2

      ​@@UniverseUAmoons and planets are not mutually exclusive. Moons can be planets.

    • @vibaj16
      @vibaj16 Před 9 měsíci

      Europa is not a planet @@ryanvess6162

  • @Tom-Lahaye
    @Tom-Lahaye Před 9 měsíci +17

    Try a 3 or 4mm thick copper disc which fits tightly in the upper wider part of the bore on top of the water, and then place the steel roller on top of this, the copper should make a tight seal.
    Im not sure if the copper will finally squirt out at this pressure, but it should enable a higher pressure build up.

    • @The_Keeper
      @The_Keeper Před 9 měsíci

      I think that copper is too soft, even softer than the steel.
      It would leak just as fast, or maybe even faster because now the copper is working a lubrication.

    • @Kowalski301
      @Kowalski301 Před 9 měsíci +3

      @@The_Keeper It only acts as a gasket under the steel roller. The copper is soft, but it can only expand out in the bore, thus creating a tighter seal the more it expand. I think it's definitely worth a try. It would also be possible to experiment with other soft metals like bronze or brass.

    • @CalculatedRiskAK
      @CalculatedRiskAK Před 9 měsíci +3

      @@The_Keeper Copper is quite frequently used as a crush washer and for compression sealing in plumbing because it is soft. It is able to deform into the micro grooves between harder metals and create a fluid-tight seal. Copper wouldn't lubricate between the surfaces. It would fill voids and make it very difficult for water to escape.

    • @dustinbrueggemann1875
      @dustinbrueggemann1875 Před 9 měsíci

      @@CalculatedRiskAK A tapered brass jacket over a steel slug was my thought. Tapering the plug and bore would create self-centering force and ensure the crush jacket is deforming into the interface rather than wedging the plug from any axial misalignment.

  • @rtr5301
    @rtr5301 Před 9 měsíci +4

    Understanding what you were attempting made this 10x better! I'll be rooting for you the whole way on this one!

  • @nicklenk
    @nicklenk Před 9 měsíci +6

    This was so much fun to watch. Please keep pursuing this ice 7 goal of yours! It will be very fun to watch how you approach this challenge!

  • @only1muppet
    @only1muppet Před 9 měsíci +10

    One thing you may want to consider using is an electric or laser thermometer, something to get the temperature of the water that leaks out. It could help you to figure out if you’re going too fast and heating the water. You may end up having to press it a lot slower, like 1000 - 2000 mbar at one minute intervals to allow cooling.

    • @SpydersByte
      @SpydersByte Před 7 měsíci

      help him figure out if he's heating the water? the steam explosion wasnt a clue? lol
      its a cool experiment and all but it is *definitely* just heating the water which makes it impossible to reach Ice VI+, the water/ice needs to be held at that insane pressure and allowed to cool back down but thats not possible with this setup

  • @What_The_Fuck_Did_I_Just_Watch
    @What_The_Fuck_Did_I_Just_Watch Před 9 měsíci +6

    I love how creative this guy is ... never seen anyone trying to turn water into rock! 🎉

  • @salvadormuro7346
    @salvadormuro7346 Před 9 měsíci +1

    You guys have only gotten better and better over the years! I can’t wait to see what comes of your research. Good luck!

  • @Netsuko
    @Netsuko Před 9 měsíci +1

    "All the water scientists have messed up the diagram. It's going to be a rock." That certainly is a quote xD

  • @beastmastre
    @beastmastre Před 8 měsíci +4

    I think you'd have to go incredibly slowly to give the molecules time to reorganize. Going fast just generates heat too rapidly. The geological processes that create diamond with trapped ice VII are incredibly slow. Also the idea someone brought up of the piston being hollowed at the bottom so the pressure tightens the seal is pretty good. You already know full well that the steel is also compressible and that is probably the reason the water can squeeze by and cut a channel back out. You should probably try to find the densest and least compressible material you can for the piston and bore chamber, not taper the channel too much to avoid buckling on the sides of the piston, and possibly lap the surfaces to remove micro-channels. Natural ice VII is a fluke of nature that required an improbable combination of specific conditions. Even if you did create ice VI with this method, you likely could never verify it because it would instantly phase shift back to liquid water once the pressure was gone. If ice VII is stable as a mineral without maintained pressure, then that should be verifiable by drilling back into your bore to remove it, and that should be the goal.

  • @marcoterracciano763
    @marcoterracciano763 Před 9 měsíci +5

    My suggestion for your goal is to improve the sealing of the cilinder. I believe that your weak component is the cilinder itself which at high pressures may yield and lose its original diameter (therefore weakening or completely losing the interference with the piston, your actual sealing). If that's true you should be able to measure that difference in diameter once you complete the test. An option could be to carefully machine a conic hole (and possibly a conic piston, but it's not necessary, it should work anyways) such that if the cilinder yields and increases in diameter you can keep the sealing by increasing the piston's run and so the interference force. This technique doesn't allow you to be accurate on the amount of cilinder resistance compared to the water's, but if the cilinder actually yields, also the measurements on your current system isn't accurate. Mine it's just an idea from a mechanical engineering student, for sure if you find online differend sources that achieved similar results, use their technique.

  • @PushyPawn
    @PushyPawn Před 8 měsíci +1

    They attempted to swim in the deep end of the physics pool, yet sunk like a stone before reaching half way.

  • @n8nkqrp595
    @n8nkqrp595 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Oh my gosh I love the laughter of Anni (Anne?)!
    Try using degassed water. Use a high vac pump to degass it.. maybe while it is contained in the compression chamber. I'm a retired biomedical engineer who used to maintain Fresenius kidney dialysis machines. They run on ultra purity deionized RO water - but still use a degassing chamber to produce ultra high volumetric accuracy. The dialysis machine is strictly volume-based.
    Thank you for the fascinating vids! You two are GREAT :)

  • @Adam-nv9zo
    @Adam-nv9zo Před 9 měsíci +24

    This is so interesting. Literally had me on the edge of my seat. Can't wait to see what you come up with. Great work.

  • @corwinhyatt519
    @corwinhyatt519 Před 9 měsíci +5

    Three thoughts:
    1. How hot does the steel at the friction surface get at that pressure? Is it hot enough to soften the metal at the friction surface enough to allow high pressure water to force its way through?
    2. Iirc increasing the pressure an object in under causes the object to heat up, is it possible you need to cool the tool so that you don't end up trying to compress steam into ice?
    3. Another possibility that springs to mind, though is extremely unlikely due to your knowledge, is if you lubricated the surfaces the lubrication might be being forced out by the water allowing it to escape.

    • @paulh2981
      @paulh2981 Před 9 měsíci

      It would be cool to see what would happen using tungsten instead of steel.

  • @ywtcc
    @ywtcc Před 9 měsíci +4

    I think you'd need to apply the pressure slowly, and remove heat from the water/ice simultaneously. So, maybe use liquid nitrogen.
    There's an increase in temperature when you're applying so much pressure, that heat needs to be removed to get to the part of the phase diagram where there's ice VI.

  • @lagartixabeats
    @lagartixabeats Před 9 měsíci +1

    1:05 I love that one piece arc too

  • @leanderwright2647
    @leanderwright2647 Před 9 měsíci +3

    As always, this is a great video. And the editing is tight.

  • @phredbull
    @phredbull Před 9 měsíci +3

    I'd like to see what happens with regular ice in this setup. I wonder if applying pressure raises the temp, therefore the required pressure for ice VI? Starting with ice would help to counter this.

  • @NickDrinksWater
    @NickDrinksWater Před 9 měsíci +1

    This was alot more incredible than I originally anticipated

  • @elcocoleo
    @elcocoleo Před 9 měsíci +1

    trying to turn water into rock with hydraulic press*

  • @tizianwahl5563
    @tizianwahl5563 Před 9 měsíci +3

    Perhaps you could fabricate some kind of two staged clylinder. An inner one with the water and an outer one with oil so that there is a smaller pressure differencial between the water chamber and the outside.

  • @DerTeufelImDetail
    @DerTeufelImDetail Před 9 měsíci +3

    Made my day! 🤣
    I read the title and saw a huge explosion in my mind. Great experiment!

  • @AFMrPink
    @AFMrPink Před 9 měsíci +1

    “Ah it stopped working, what the hell”💀

  • @travisolander4749
    @travisolander4749 Před 6 měsíci

    I'm convinced Lauri is going to unlock secrets of alchemy and start producing objects that defy conventional wisdom.

  • @dinkc64
    @dinkc64 Před 9 měsíci +3

    I love these science-y episodes, you rock!!

  • @jort93z
    @jort93z Před 9 měsíci +3

    I don't think you made ice VI here. The pressure and the metal grinding against eachother would also have heated it up quite a bit. To make ice VI you'll need to pressurize it and then keep it under pressure until it cools to room temperature and crystalizes. Interesting video tho.

  • @nocount7517
    @nocount7517 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Moses got water out of a rock. Lauri is trying to torn water into a rock.

  • @iKenFlyPPG
    @iKenFlyPPG Před 6 měsíci +1

    Consider pre-soaking the die's in a dry-ice and alcohol bath, the parts will achieve something like -100 to -90F (attach thermocouples to the surface of the part). You'd have to size the tooling for cold temp maybe take advantage of the metal expanding as it heats up to create/maintain the seal.

  • @nhblackdc5
    @nhblackdc5 Před 9 měsíci +3

    I applaud your machining skills.

  • @doomgolem5348
    @doomgolem5348 Před 9 měsíci +4

    What next? Air into rock? This is awesome! I like the more science based videos a lot!

    • @HydraulicPressChannel
      @HydraulicPressChannel  Před 9 měsíci +13

      I actually looked this up and it's possible :D 10 000 bars and liquid nitrogen is rock which should be doable after I solve the sealing issue.,

    • @doomgolem5348
      @doomgolem5348 Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@HydraulicPressChannelI seriously wasn't expecting that wow!

  • @thany3
    @thany3 Před 9 měsíci

    How do you make ice?
    Everyone in the world: freeze water.
    HPC: no no no, lemme show you.

  • @johnhosky2931
    @johnhosky2931 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Make a dye that takes 26 tons to insert into the hole, then you can be confident that it will hold 26 tons of potential water pressure before leaking.

    • @johnhosky2931
      @johnhosky2931 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Because I think if it only takes 5 tons to insert it might leak once there’s 5 tons of pressure pushing back on it from the steam.

  • @Javaritto
    @Javaritto Před 9 měsíci +3

    Typically hydraulic/pneumatic pistons have rings to ensure a seal with the cylinder wall. Think of the compression rings around an engine piston or the groves cut around an AK gas piston. Perhaps machining some rings around the piston would help with the seal?

    • @bosstowndynamics5488
      @bosstowndynamics5488 Před 9 měsíci

      Piston rings aren't going to seal as tightly as forcing a steel plug into a smaller hole though

  • @kristideeley
    @kristideeley Před 9 měsíci +6

    This is fascinating! I had no idea such a thing was even theoretically possible! But how are you planning to confirm the results of your attempts? Cut the base open and see if it's all steel or if there's a rock in there? Or are we just observing how much of the water escapes in its various forms and just guessing? 🤔

    • @Lilith-Rose
      @Lilith-Rose Před 9 měsíci

      If no water escapes and the calculated internal pressure is high enough physics and mathematics dictates that it exists, the moment you release the pressure it would revert to its liquid state so it's not really observable (other than when it is found in diamonds). Its not guess work because it is calculatable and the maths confirms that it does exist even though you can't physically see it in this kind of experiment

    • @ajorsomething4935
      @ajorsomething4935 Před 9 měsíci +1

      From what I can gather the forms of ice which he is referring to cannot exist at room temperature and normal pressure, if he was to open it back up it would just melt into water again. So I think the idea is that by figuring out a chamber design that doesn't leak, and then crushing it, he will be able to mathematically prove there is Ice VI or VII inside.

  • @samirbakr122
    @samirbakr122 Před 9 měsíci +1

    I suggest making a groove in the piston and putting a thin copper ring in it so instead of water making a leaking channel around the piston the copper being mild will block these channels making a seal like rubber.

  • @eltomas3634
    @eltomas3634 Před 9 měsíci +1

    It might help to de-gas the water first. But compressing air with water will just dissolve air back into the water. So some air purge or a different setup.

  • @ImmortalAbsol
    @ImmortalAbsol Před 9 měsíci +3

    The bubbling boil and vapour released was so cool to see for some reason.

    • @HydraulicPressChannel
      @HydraulicPressChannel  Před 9 měsíci +2

      I think there is so large pressure difference that the water starts to boil from all the energy being generated from pressure loss

    • @cdl0
      @cdl0 Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@HydraulicPressChannel Heat is liberated when materials change phase to a lower energy state. The application of pressure does work on the system, as well, which also liberates heat.

  • @trstmeimadctr
    @trstmeimadctr Před 9 měsíci +3

    I think the plug might work better actually if you used a softer metal like aluminum, because it would deform better to fill all the gaps

    • @dntfrthreapr
      @dntfrthreapr Před 9 měsíci +2

      aluminum is like silly putty at these pressures

  • @NathanStorer-RC
    @NathanStorer-RC Před 9 měsíci +1

    Likely what you're perceiving as a delay in the sensor is that pocket of air being compressed. Perhaps you could create the tool with a very slight bevel so it gets tighter as you compress it down?

  • @photobackflip
    @photobackflip Před 6 měsíci

    "Failing at Turning Water into Rock with Hydraulic Press" - I fixed it for you.

  • @Angrymuscles
    @Angrymuscles Před 9 měsíci +6

    You could probably get better feedback from this if you get some quicker responding scales or pressure sensors.
    As for the piston design, you might try a tapered design with varying angles of pitch. You'd get a smaller area on the bottom surface while maintaining a tight mechanical seal.

  • @iizvullok
    @iizvullok Před 9 měsíci +4

    I have two ideas that could improve the setup. One idea would be to make the bottom part into two parts where the outside is hardened. That way it cannot expand as much. But make sure that part is still pressed into another steel part which applies pressure from the outside and (hopefully) stops it from cracking open. The second idea would be to make the cylinder slightly cone shaped. I do not think the water actually cuts the material. I think the material is rubbed off from the cylinder rubbing against the bore. Since the pressure is so high, it just widens the hole to a point where the water can escape. But if you use a cone instead of a cylinder, the force from the press will keep it shut. Of course that will also increase the outer diameter of the lower tool which is a problem if there is a hardened section. Interesting challenge tho. Also keep in mind that the pressing will also increase the temperature of the tool and the water inside. So you will either need more pressure or make sure it stays cold. Maybe put the tool with the water inside into a freezer first and when the pressure is applied, wait for the surrounding material of the tool to absorb the generated heat. Also cooling the steel would make it stretch a bit less.

  • @ocass66
    @ocass66 Před 9 měsíci

    this is the one channel that consistently makes me laugh with the video titles alone

  • @SevenSixTwo2012
    @SevenSixTwo2012 Před 9 měsíci +2

    You probably need a longer cylinder and piston to achieve a better water seal. I also remember reading that creating artificial diamonds for industrial applications involves the use of controlled explosions to achieve the desired pressures instantly.

  • @thomaslaubenbacher9089
    @thomaslaubenbacher9089 Před 9 měsíci +5

    I think it could work with a cascade of regular hydraulic zylinder seals. If one seal can withhold pressure of for example 300bar against the atmospheric pressure a cascade of two should be able to withstand nearly double the amount, if there is a non compressible fluid in between?! If you have 600bars in the compressed chamber, you have 300 bars between the chambers and the second seal only has 300bars.
    Similar to a multiple stage piston Kompressor

  • @Rollwiththevibes
    @Rollwiththevibes Před 9 měsíci +5

    thank you for putting so much effort into these really cool experiments. I can't wait to see your progress in the future. I read the book Cat's Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut that was talking about ice-9 which took over the planet. It is what first made me realize that there were other types of ice in general. The book wasn't scientifically accurate, but still a great one. It made me very excited to see you changing water into ice with pressure. I hope you can make ice VII and have a cook mineral to show at the end. Great work as always!

    • @tylisirn
      @tylisirn Před 9 měsíci +1

      There is a real ice-IX, but it doesn't of course have the fantastical properties (fortunately!)...

  • @kevinbeach2383
    @kevinbeach2383 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Did you try only a very small volume of water , giving the bearing time to seal before compression?

  • @denzzlinga
    @denzzlinga Před 9 měsíci +1

    Awesome how this channel has evolved :)
    As a student, i had similar ideas, but with contained explosives, that will create an "infinete" ammount of force onto the piston for a split second :D

  • @DrBarbequeSauce
    @DrBarbequeSauce Před 9 měsíci +3

    Perhaps if you add threads and screw the piece of metal into place? Then you can use the press to just sheer through them as you create the ice 7?

  • @EDoyl
    @EDoyl Před 9 měsíci +4

    Can you use a thermal camera as well? You might be increasing the temperature as you press, especially with all that metal friction and adiabatic compression of the air pocket. which could keep you in the liquid part of the phase diagram.

  • @Joshua-le9tl
    @Joshua-le9tl Před 6 měsíci +1

    I love this channel, im so glad you guys are still putting out content:)

  • @IanBinmore
    @IanBinmore Před 9 měsíci

    Hello, I have worked with materials to enable encapsulated electronics survive to 30,000 PSI and 200C and did tests to 40,000 PSI and published a few patents on the ways to achieve this. Some quick notes from my experience:
    - The gas cap of air will start to have its own unique behavior at very high pressures and its compressibility can be modeled when you include what is known as the 'z-factor' in calculations based on the basic formula for z=PV/NRT where V=volume, R=gas constant, N=number of moles, T=temperature and z=the compressibility factor. The compressibility factor is found from a set of curves and equations for each molar constituent of a gas and the total compressibility analysis would be based on the mix of gasses in the air trapped above the water, which would also likely be pushed into solution into the water, which in turn messes up the rest of the experiment.
    - The gas saturated water makes a terrific water-jet cutter, opening up any passage way initiated by the highly compressed air which in itself is essentially behaving like a liquid as it gets highly compressed. This means that a) You really do not want a gas cap on top of your water as you compress it b)It is probably assisting with the failure of the seal rather than helping
    - I recommend your procedure attempt to eliminate the gas cap above the water as your seal forms. I don't know the best way to do this but have a couple of ideas....
    1) If the entire chamber could filled with water, no air at all. Sounds simple, but hard to achieve. If the test were done in a vacuum, it would be better but also not very practical and also the water in a vacuum would all boil off anyway as you are simply reducing the boiling point.
    --- If you had a tiny 'bleed hole' perpendicular to the test chamber below where the taper of the chamber has forced the bearing roller to create a metal to metal seal, it might maybe work. the interference fit may also be lost as the bearing roller passes by the bleed hole, as this would be the weak point for 'jet cutting' to occur, but it might work. Water would be filled into the chamber to the bleed hole, where it would leak out while filling. The smaller the hole the better but the smaller the hole the longer it will take to 'equalize' prior to starting. Due to capillary action of the bleed hole on the water (and gravity), the water will do its best to evacuate the chamber via the bleed hole by itself. The press should go slow so that all air can evacuate the test chamber via the bleed hole with minimum pressure applied as the roller bearing approaches and immediately as it moves past the bleed hole you would begin to be trying to compress the water. Again, this may fail as the bleed hole will also become the weak point for 'jet cutter' action to start.
    - The galling action from the insertion into the taper will create a lot of heat and the bearing will want to weld itself to the chamber. I think slow insertion may minimize this effect while fast insertion may helps the jet cutting to occur. In your test here, if you did not have the leakage, you probably would have had welding.
    - I agree that a hemispherical bottom on the bearing could assist with increasing the strength of the seal as it would force the seal into the sides of the chamber but I think you already get that just with the galling of the interference fit.
    - I am kind of free thinking this as I write it, not after a good long analysis. Another thought is that the strength of the seal is ultimately going to be limited by the cross section of steel created by the galling and that a failure mode of cutting through that is what we appear to be seeing. I know from my high pressure work that a failure path once started advances and grows extremely rapidly (micro seconds) due to the jet cutting that occurs from the pressure differential across the seal. A the end of the day, the seal needs to have a significant cross sectional area and the difference in volume to obtain compression of the water is relatively tiny. A much smaller pin could be used or if water could be trapped in a chamber and then the pressure increased a lot. This might not be achievable with a press, instead requiring something more along the line of an explosive charge pushing a piston down on a chamber with water in it. .Hmmm, sounds like fun but a big deviation from what you are doing! Another thought would be to push a plug of Teflon ahead of a roller bearing to act as the seal. The Teflon would have a slight interference fit. Lubricate the roller bearing pusher-plug and have as close to zero interference as possible with the plug. No taper needed on the chamber. The Teflon could deform and seal. Make it longer and smaller diameter too
    Hope this provides some ideas. Cheers.

  • @teropiispala2576
    @teropiispala2576 Před 9 měsíci +4

    I have few ideas to make a better seal. For first, lap the hole, so it's very smooth. Also grind the roll edge round and very smooth. With so tight fitting, sharp edge in roll chamfer most likely chip the steel and scratch it.
    With this principle, you need more fitting force than pressure under the roller. Otherwise water will stretch the outer steel and create leak.
    Other method could be to make self sealing structure. O-ring is good seal because pressure presses ring surface always tighter than needed because pressure affects on entire ring but sealing surface is always smaller. You can make similar structure with steel.
    Take a silver steel rod. Machine bottom part thinner, machine groove under the wider part, machine groove on the top, forming kind of piston ring, which is still connected. As long as the groove underneath is bigger than sealing surface at the outer part, it will seal. As the pressure rises below, it pushes ring in the steel harder
    Sealing surface must be wide enough not to sink in the steel and seal must be thick enough not to break. Use silversteel, so you can harden it. If possible, grind it smooth after hardening.

  • @raticus79
    @raticus79 Před 9 měsíci +3

    Take smaller steps... try crushing ice to that pressure successully first, then go for water after that.

  • @EvanBoyar
    @EvanBoyar Před 8 měsíci +1

    Please keep going on this. I don't watch very many of your videos, but this would be incredible. The higher, metastable ice forms are something I'd be incredibly interested in seeing.

    • @jadencm4862
      @jadencm4862 Před 8 měsíci

      I mean, you wouldn’t exactly see it
      Would that even be discernible in a CT scan?

  • @Gefionius
    @Gefionius Před 9 měsíci

    The whole time I was wondering how you were going to get the ice back out! :)

  • @Vastafari34
    @Vastafari34 Před 9 měsíci +3

    I LOVEEE the inclusion of so much extra science facts. You're actually quite a good teacher.

    • @Vastafari34
      @Vastafari34 Před 9 měsíci +2

      And what I mean by that is i feel like most people just come here to see the carnage, but your educational content in this video was really good.

  • @user-sv9on2wf9i
    @user-sv9on2wf9i Před 9 měsíci +3

    How can you prove that you turned water into rock when you can't get the ( rock ) out to prove it ?

  • @dmprdctns
    @dmprdctns Před 9 měsíci +1

    Fascinating. Brilliant.
    Suggestions:
    - polish all piston/cylinder surfaces to perfection.
    - make head of piston severely concave to increase seal performance.
    - start with ice as the compression heat will bring it to liquid quickly, yet allow for sealing before liquid water finds a channel. Liquid will find a channel in any imperfection and exploit it.
    Just a thought.
    Thanks... Love your amazing work!!

  • @occasionalshredder
    @occasionalshredder Před 6 měsíci

    "Water is incompressible"
    This guy: "No"

  • @Amadioh
    @Amadioh Před 9 měsíci +12

    I think this video raises an intresting point. The idea of crushing water into rock through a hydraulic press disrupts the very essence of our perceived reality. It provokes a profound disruption and challenges our established boundaries of what is deemed possible, blurring the lines between conventional distinctions.
    In this seemingly absurd endeavor, we are compelled to confront our own preconceived notions, symbolized by the solidity of rock and the fluidity of water. Are these boundaries merely illusionary? Are we bound by the constraints of our perceived reality, or can we transcend them?
    This enigmatic spectacle reveals the fragility of our constructed knowledge and amplifies an underlying tension within our human cognitive apparatus. It exposes the incessant struggle between our desire for certainty and the disturbing unknown that is perennially lurking beyond our grasp. The act of crushing water, symbolically transforming its fluidity into rock-like solidity, ignites a philosophical fire that consumes our certainties and forces us to confront the void that lies within.
    We encounter the inherent contradictions and paradoxes that permeate our very existence, forcing us to question the very fabric of reality itself. Are we merely passive observers, confined to our sensory perceptions? Or are we co-creators, actively shaping and molding the world around us through our interpretations and subjective constructions?
    In the dialectical dance of water and rock, we witness the interplay of opposites and how they intertwine to form a delicate tapestry of existence. This spectacle invites us to embrace the disorienting yet liberating journey of philosophical exploration, where the ineffable truths and profound insights lie in the realms of the inexplicable.
    Let us not fear this confrontation with the unknown and the implausible. Instead, let us cherish and relish in the disarray it provokes within us. For it is precisely in this chaos that we uncover the seeds of critical thought and self-transformation.
    Thus, this video's perplexing proposition beckons us to embrace uncertainty, dismantle our certainties, and venture into the uncharted territories of our philosophical landscape. It compels us to traverse the vast expanse of our cognitive realms, where the mystifying collision of water and rock reveals the deepest riddles of existence. In this journey, we may not find definitive answers, but we will emerge enriched with an unwavering commitment to question, to challenge, and to perpetually seek the unfathomable depths of truth.

    • @HydraulicPressChannel
      @HydraulicPressChannel  Před 9 měsíci +10

      This pretty well sums up the reasons to make most of the stupidest videos on this or any other my channels :D

    • @XWNORST
      @XWNORST Před 9 měsíci +3

      Say gex

    • @dtemp132
      @dtemp132 Před 9 měsíci +7

      This reads more like something from ChatGPT than a human intellectual.

    • @krollic
      @krollic Před 9 měsíci

      verbosity with no substance@@dtemp132

    • @bsgconsulting
      @bsgconsulting Před 9 měsíci +6

      @@dtemp132 it totally is GPT based. No question.

  • @_..-.._..-.._
    @_..-.._..-.._ Před 9 měsíci +1

    I wonder what psi was reached? I would like a pressure washer with that power 😂

  • @StonedPsycho
    @StonedPsycho Před 7 měsíci +1

    it's so amazing seeing his channel after several years and seeing that he can speak english fluently compared to how it was. keep up the great videos

  • @household5soapcompany95
    @household5soapcompany95 Před 9 měsíci

    "So no one should die today" and that sums up the safety brief.

  • @zapfanzapfan
    @zapfanzapfan Před 9 měsíci +1

    How much does that compression heat the water? Maybe you compressed it into the critical temperature of water?

  • @HeadgyHog
    @HeadgyHog Před 9 měsíci

    "So nobody is gonna die today." should be your catchphrase.

  • @Martin1519
    @Martin1519 Před 9 měsíci

    Lmfao 3:07 we don’t need much force, just 30 tons, that’s all!

  • @jamielee9350
    @jamielee9350 Před 5 měsíci

    Unless you have a few million years to spare , you are never going to turn anything into "Rock"

  • @Baard2000
    @Baard2000 Před 9 měsíci

    @2:50 : everything stays inside safety box so no one is going to die today.
    Well.....what a relieve !!!😂😂😂

  • @stefanklass6763
    @stefanklass6763 Před 9 měsíci

    I think it's time Hydraulic Press Channel gets a diamant anvil.

  • @breadcat6454
    @breadcat6454 Před 9 měsíci

    Question: Did the extreme pressure water jet that shot upwards cut or mark the press head?

  • @ashtreylil1
    @ashtreylil1 Před 9 měsíci +2

    I love that you are bringing science into your videos

  • @Michael_X313
    @Michael_X313 Před 9 měsíci

    I just watched your "crushing water" video a few days ago. I was so curious about it and so this should be 👍 great

  • @hideyasumusha7211
    @hideyasumusha7211 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Hey phantom high speed, please sponsor this channel and these experiments.

  • @_..-.._..-.._
    @_..-.._..-.._ Před 9 měsíci +1

    This is how Bosch will make a new diesel injection system. 1,000,000 psi injection.

  • @beefgoat80
    @beefgoat80 Před 9 měsíci

    Water isn't that big of a molecule. The oxygen you breathe is bigger. Under pressure, it can fit into small spaces. 😂

  • @jamespfaltzgraff8732
    @jamespfaltzgraff8732 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Could you make an annealed steel capsule filled with water that is seal welded shut and then compress the capsule in your enclosed die?

  • @EnvirotekCleaningSystems
    @EnvirotekCleaningSystems Před 9 měsíci +1

    Water isn't compressible, or is only slightly compressible, so put a small hollow space into your bearing and cover it with a thin piece of metal that will form tightly inside your hollow space as you apply pressure. I also think you should be using something to keep the water as cold as possible to prevent it from flashing to steam. Also use ultra-pure water. Looking forward to how this turns out.

  • @superhawk20002
    @superhawk20002 Před 9 měsíci

    Its crazy the random things I learn from this channel.

  • @LiterallyWho1917
    @LiterallyWho1917 Před 9 měsíci +1

    I mean the material of the press is likely warping and changing under such immense pressure. You really need a DAC (Diamond Anvil Cell) to properly do this kinda thing, although using conical apertures to focus the force might also help.