Canon R7 - Video Modes Compared - 4K60 Crop / Fine / Line Skipped
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- A look at all of the recording modes on the Canon EOS R7. 4K Fine vs 4K Line Skipped. 4K60 Line Skipped vs 4K60 Crop.
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TABLE OF CONTENTS:
0:00 - Intro
0:34 - 4K 24 Image Quality Tests
2:34 - IPB vs IPB Light
4:19 - 4K 60 Image Quality Tests
5:41 - 4K 60 Autofocus & Outdoor Tests
8:17 - 1080p 120 FPS
8:35 - Conclusion
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Subscribed! I love the fact that you are making comparisons between R7's video modes that nobody else is currently making on CZcams, as well as the way you structured them! They have great transitions and are very, very easy to understand. You're doing great, so keep it up! I'd love to see you make more comparisons like this in the future. 🙂
Thank you so much!
Loving all this R7 content , answering all the questions we all want to know!
Nice! Glad you are enjoying the videos. Thanks for watching!
More great and useful content from your channel; thank you for taking the time to continue to put these out. As always, highly informative.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Really excited about the new Laowa 10mm F4 cookie lens just released (available in RF).
It gives a R7 user a relatively cheap ultra wide lens - much needed for the occasional architecture or interior shot
*Exactly* the sort of definitive testing I was hoping to find (in fact, even better). I shoot a lot in 4K-60fps and your video shows exactly why I need to stick with my R6Mii. It was either buy an expensive lens to round out my full-frame kit, or go with the R7 and stick with a pair of very nice APS-C lenses. Where 4K-60fps 'line-skip' mode in the R7 is plainly inferior to the choices I have with the R6Mii, I'm back to buying an expensive full-frame lens.
Check out this video that I did with some more detailed testing and comparisons: czcams.com/video/mxqE64aKzqI/video.html
I originally bought R7 for photography but.. your video just open a new chapter for my camera. Now i know how money well spent.
you got a new subscriber!! I just bought an r7 and I'm waiting for delivery. I had the eos rp for a while and sold it for the r7. I've watched a bunch of your r7 videos and they are awesome. seems like no one else is covering this camera for video which is weird considering its capabilities. your videos are extremely well done and I believe your channel is gonna boom soon keep it up!!
Glad you have been finding my videos helpful. Thank you so much for the support and for watching!
Thanks for this and all the other videos on the R7! I've watched every single one :)
You are very welcome. Thanks for watching!
Wow! Awesome review, totally on point! Thank you very much. I appreciate very high technical level and details you provide.
You are very welcome. Thanks for watching!
What I did is I adopted Sigma 18-35 to my R7 and created custom modes for videos: 24fine, 50 uncropped and 50 cropped. I can quickly switch between them - best quality in 24 fine, but when I need extra punch in, or slow motion, I go to another 2 modes. Cropped in Sigma is the equivalent of 50-100mm on Full Frame! And that's something.
Do you find the 50 uncropped image is just as sharp as the uncropped. (To a normal viewer, because I'm sure we both can notice)
Well, not really. 50mm on a full frame is 50mm and you can take portraits with that. What you have is 18mm that is only cropped to fill the frame same as a 50mm would, but it is still a 18mm focal length. I don't know anyone who would take portraits with 18mm focal length, unless you don't like bokeh, and love elongated faces/noses.
Subscribed, thanks for the rundown, super useful for understanding the new rig.
You're welcome!
I LOVE the the heat/temp meter the R7 has. Having an actual visable scale that allows you to see just how cool or hot the camera is in real time...is brilliant. I wish Sony would put this on the A7S-III and A7-IV
I love how Panasonics don’t overheat 😜 (I also own the A7IV).
@@apocryphal_man I also love how the AF on Panasonics don't work as well as Canon's. haha
Thank you so much for your detailed testing. Really really helpful
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Thanks a lot for the detailed and well produced review!
BTW your beard is very useful to judge the sharpness, please keep it on :)
You're welcome. Do not worry, the beard isn't going anywhere. Haha. Thanks for watching!
Nice comparison. thanks for the content.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Always a good job
Thank you
Thank you so much!
Absolutely amazing rewiew, thanks!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Hello, thanks for all you videos on the R7 it is so usefull ! I shoot a lot of full hd and i would be interested in this format. Does it compares to 4k fine mode in a 1080 timeline, i mean is full hd mode "fine" ? 😅 Is there a FHD crop mode ?
Do you know the overheating time for FHD mode I would really would like to know
hi there, thanks for the videos! Is this all h265? or is it h264? which is which? is it 10bit 4.2.0? It looks like I am not pro enough to understand Canons Specs on the website. I use a Fuji X-T4 in 1080p 23,98p 10bit 4.2.0 and it gives me a nice but small h265 .mov file. I need that for long 1.5h+ interviews. I am looking for a camera without recording limit and the X-H2s is just a bit too pricy. Thanks!!! Greetings from Austria
Should you expect better low light performance on the 4k60 normal or 4k60 crop? You'd think the uncropped would be better but if it's line skipped, it might not be making use of that bigger sensor area? What do you think? Thanks for this video!
Can’t wait for the R7 to ship
Hope you get it soon. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for video 👍
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
I just got my R7 and did a quick back to back of the Fine and line skipped. I pixel peeped and 300% and can tell a difference, but I sure wont be afraid to use the line skipped if I need it. I think someone would have to be really picking it apart to tell the difference. Of course your test is way more scientific than mine. I was like "yepper, looks purty good to me". haha
Nice! Congrats on getting your R7!
Awesome content! I actually just bought the Canon RF 15-35mm myself. I have a Canon R6 and R7. I'm really contemplating on getting rid of the R6. The R7 does everything I need it to do with the real estate gigs I do.
Hey where did you buy and how fast did you get it?
@@ninorivera8247 the R7? If so, I got it from B&H. It was delivered the day after the released it.
It is always a good idea to keep a B cam around
You are going to need a wider lens than the RF 15-35 for doing real estate because of the 1.6x APSC crop. The R7 is an awesome camera though!
Thanks 🙏
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Thank you
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
My favorite content about the R7 is your channel. Can you make a video about when I'm going to get my R7? ;)
Thank you so much! Man, I wish I knew. I hope you get it soon!
I really hope with firmwire updates we will get better option in video.
Do you think FHD to be serviceable at 50 fps? I have to film a long ceremony and I wouldn't want to take up enormous amounts of storage space, plus my editor prefers lighter files
Ok nice! I’m beginning to experiment with video now so this was helpful. Recording slow motion in the R7, is it best to avoid then since it’s captured at 30fps and I could just slow down 24fps fine footage in post? Why would someone use the crop mode over the fine is it just to have the non cinematic look of 60fps?
Hi. I have an EOS R7 and I record in FHD standard and LOG3. I found it difficult to assemble Log files in Vegas Pro because the image is not smooth. 4K fine is good, while the FHD Log jumps the image, it is not smooth playback. 4K fine files are, after all, larger than FHD Log. I would like to add that 4K IPB files from EOS R play well. The problem occurs when I use Log on EOS R7. Do i need a codec? Why is this happening? Regards :)
the 4k fine looks so much higher in quality when you pixel peep but I tested the difference in the rolling shutter effect and it is so much more intense on the 4k fine. I've been trying to find solutions to get the 4k as close to 4k fine in quality because I don't like the amount of rolling shutter, but I can't mimick the quality of it. does anybody know the numerical difference in rolling shutter between the two?
Thanks for doing all this video's for the R7.
I had a question regarding the R7 I do own EosR and I only shoot underwater videos with EF 8-15mm I really need 4K60 and the R6 is not option for me because it will not fit in my underwater housing. Do you think the 4k60 on the R7 will looks better then HD60 on the R?
You're welcome! Well you can shoot 4K60 on the R7 and only 1080p60 on the R, so yes the R7 should look better.
wait so it will be a crop shooting 1080 60fp using a full frame lens?
I dont use 4K
Which is better video quality between 4K crop and 4k HQ
THANKS A LOT
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Thanks bro
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
Great comparison. thank you. How are you when shooting in the 1080/120 at 30 fps is your shutter speed 1/250th? ( ~180 rule) Thanks for clarifying
Yes
Can you make some videos with R7 4k at 60fps with cars ?
Record using 4k crop means ISO will blow up quicker than using line skkiped mode?
Do you have a preferred clog3 cinema gamut to Rec709 conversion lut? I’ve been trying a few different ones but haven’t found one that knocks my socks off yet.
Unfortunately I don’t. I just grade my Clog 3 clips manually.
Hey, I absolutely love the content and detailed comparisons. I am really curious, as to how the r10 compares to the r7 in Video Mode (Dont know if you also have one of those laying around), because people cant seem to agree, on weither the features of the r7 are worth the extra 500 Bucks. If you dont have the r10, could you maybe compare the C-Log 10 bit with the HDR HQ 10 bit (I think it is called that) on the r7? As for myself, it would be a deciding factor, if that Codec can compare. Greetings :)
Glad you are enjoying the videos! I don't have a R10 and don't plan on getting one. For me personally, the R10 is a bit too limited for video applications. I don't remember all of the differences off of the top of my head because I haven't looked into the R10 in a while, but having 4K 10-bit 422 in Clog 3 is very important to me and worth some extra money. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching!
@@Josh_Sattin As far as I know, the r10 also has 4k 10bit 422, just with the HDR PQ Codec and no Option for 4k60/50 without cropping. I think it might be more capable, than People think, but sadly there is no real detailed Comparisson on the Internet, aside from reading the spec sheet out lout :)
From this video I could understand that the loss on deph of field from the crop mode is totally not worth it, so if you plan on shooting 4k60p I woudn't go for the R10, hope it helps! (besides the lack of c-log and 2 sd, half of the battery is annoying)
@@perzeon For me personally, 4k25 Fine is what I would use 99% of the time and it would be really interesting to see, how big the difference int that mode ist, between the two cameras. But thank you anyways for your time :)
Great sir !!
Thanks!
Thanks again for this video, and inspired by your findings - I like the 4K crop/60 with the sigma 18-35, as I like 50mm+ look and can slow it down.
Not a 50mm look. You're simply cropping a 18mm look.
@@vitaminb4869 if I'm zoomed in at 35mm, with a crop on the sensor, how is it a 18mm look?
@@buckeroonii 35mm * 1.6 * 1.8 = 101mm. 18mm would be about 52mm. None of these will have the look of 101mm or 52mm on a full frame. Focal length is more than simply filling the subject in the frame.
@@vitaminb4869 cool, but who said anything about full frame? is this some kind of camera nerd bot I'm talking to?
@@buckeroonii You said it. Read your original comment. In your mind you're getting a 50mm+ look with a 18-35mm lens. In what world is that possible?! 35mm is 35mm, not 50mm+. Applying the 4k60 crop to 35mm lens fills the subject in the frame same as a 102mm lens would on a full frame, but the depth of field, distortion, and compression is still of a 35mm lens, and thus it's an entirely different look. You must be a noob, so what I'm saying to you makes no sense, but one day you will understand, son.
can you change white balance while you are recording ? or canon still has this stupid limitation ?
I got the r7 as a c cam to my c70’s but it’s a bummer that it has the line skipped limitation at 4k 60p uncropped. Although it doesn’t matter much to me as I’ll be in 24p almost the whole time I use it lol
Is there a reason why r7 records 4k50p in HEVC and r6m2 records 4k50p in mp4? Which is better ?
i have been trying to find the answer to this question, but I either missed it or haven't found it. I was planning to buy an R6 later in this year, but it has a few limitations in video that I'm hoping the R7 doesn't have. Since the video mode is on the modes dial, so you can't select Av or Tv in video mode. Since the R7 has the video mode on the power switch, does that mean you can select Av or Tv on the modes dial, or is it full auto or full manual like the R6? Also curious what the IPB vs IPB-Light would be like with motion in the video, I expect not much difference in low-motion scenarios since you don't need as many bits to record that. Thanks!
You can set the top dial to AV or TV and shoot videos. I compared the IPB vs IPB Light with little to no motion and they looked identical. I haven't tested it with a quick moving subject.
Just what I needed!
I'm on the verge of buying a new cam and I'm guessing between the Panasonic S5 and the Canon R7.
I'm a Canon shooter and I have the Canon 5DmkII and the 6D. A bunch of Canon lenses and other gear.
Nice! Glad this video was helpful for you. Thanks for watching!
@@Josh_Sattin and I became a subscriber today :)
@@MarioCastillion Thanks so much! 👊
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Can you test the R7 for usability, such as if you use feature "A", do you lose feature "B"?
- For example if you use an hdmi monitor with and without overlays (unclean and clean) do you lose touch tracking? Do you lose eye AF? Would this also hold true in 4K Fine or 4K line skipped and at 24fps vs 60fps?
Agree on this, would be cool to see those usability test results. It’s the case with Sony when you lose AF features, I’d like to see how the R7 works paired with a Ninja V.
Could you recommend some good ef-s lenses for video for the r7?:)
czcams.com/video/L4o3nXrz3_Y/video.html
Hi Josh! Is the 1.8x additional crop for the 4K60p crop mode calculated as added on top of the 1.6x (ie 14mm>1.6 22mm>1.8 40mm) OR is it 1.6+1.8x =3.4x crop combined so (ie 14mm>3.4x 47mm)? Hope that made sense. Basically if I had a 14mm EF L lens would it turn to 40mm or 47mm on the added 1.8x 4k60p Crop mode? Lastly, can we shoot 24p on the 1.8x 4K crop mode as well or do you have do shoot in 60p for the added crop?
You have to multiply the crop factors. 1.6 x 1.81 = 2.896
@@Josh_Sattin Thank you! Is there a crop-in/punch-in feature for photography (ie A7III) too or is the crop 4k60 only for slow mo video shooting?
Fuji xt-4 vs Canon r7 , which one is better ? Somebody help me
Nice!
Thanks!
Alright, good video's helpfull concistent. i ll sub mate!
Thank you so much for the support!
Can you show me how to set 120fps for Canon R7 , i could not find 120fps in menu . Please help me . Thanks
Menu -> Camera -> 1 -> High Frame Rate -> Enable
does the canon r6 mark 2 line skip in 60fps?
The R6II does not line skip in 4K60. It oversamples from 6K.
I noticed the Line skipped 4K has a lot more noise compared to the fine setting, as youtube adds artefacts in its upload, can you confirm if the out of camera footage is more noticable with the noise, I notice a lot of Canon cameras that aren't their top end cameras have a lot of noise in the images one way or another.
Oversampled images on the same camera will have less noise as the noise is more compressed and finer. Here are two videos of mine where I talk about that when comparing the low light capabilities on some cameras:
czcams.com/video/CvnUzDMxLA0/video.html
czcams.com/video/u00WB58Q5s0/video.html
So, this one does have a 4K 60fps uncropped mode? I've seen mixed reviews about this aspect of the camera. I thought that the only 4K60 mode was cropped.
Yes it has an uncropped 4K60 mode but it is line skipped. Also, remember it still has the 1.6x APS-C crop.
Hello Josh, thank you for all your video ! Is there a big difference of quality between 4k24 fine and 4k60 CROP ? Can we still record audio on 4k60 mode ? Thank you, best, Ludo
You're welcome. Yes there is a big difference between 4k24 fine and 4k60 crop. Yes, you can record audio in 4k60 crop mode.
@@Josh_Sattin thank you 🙏
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
The one thing I’ve been wondering about is rolling shutter performance. With the 4K line skipped mode, should the read out be a lot faster than the 7K over sample (to the point rolling shutter is not an issue)?
The not fine 4k still has rolling shutter issue but it is very less noticeable. You would need to be panning uncomfortably fast for it to look as bad as 4k fine.
Enabling clog on 4k fine does make it a bit worse probably due to cpu being busy or something.
The issue is still present at 1080p, so it seems the read out time has some kind of floor where halving the number of lines to read has no effect.
Ah, I should say: I tested it using the very unreal panning back and forth really fast method. It may really not be an issue on real world usage :) Its a great camera, loving it
Hi Josh,
do you have any idea why my R7 doesnt show 60FPS in the movie quality menu? Only 25 and 50 are available in all 4K modes; latest firmware 1.3.0.....
You need to switch from PAL to NTSC mode.
@@Josh_Sattin Thanks for your answer!!! But, for real? In Europe we use PAL system all the time .....
@@cinematicpictures You're welcome. If you are using PAL then you want to use 25, 50 or 100 fps.
OH MY GOD, I was waiting for this video for so long, I LOVE YOU damn.
Now could anyone help me understand if the 4k60p-no crop is usable in a somewhat quality production (like wedding)? And do you think the difference it's that noticeable when mixed with 4k24 fine footage?
Because side-by-side I find it really awful, but maybe a more experienced eye can tell me that it will be ok after the post-production ahah
Any opinions would be helpful, this the only thing holding me back from buying this camera...
Glad this video was helpful for you. I can't really answer your question because everyone's level of acceptance and quality is different. It also depends on how the project is being delivered. Hopefully you can get a good sense of this from this video. Thanks for watching!
Sweet, this is great info! Now if only it did 4K fine @60, I would want no more!
Yeah, that would be nice.
Really curious about the rolling shutter performance? On the R6 and 1DXIII it’s laughably bad so im curious how this is? And oversampled images sometimes have worse rolling shutter so I’m curious how your experience has been? Awesome content man🙏🏻
As bad, in my experience
It’s bad, but not sure if it’s AS bad.
@@bryanbuff true, I didn’t run a side by side test
Thanks! I haven't tested it because personally I do not care about rolling shutter for the kind of stuff that I shoot. I'm sure the rolling shutter is probably not good in this camera due to the oversampling.
Its 31ms in fine mode and around 14~ms in line skip.
Thats pretty nasty compared to Fujifilm XH-2s but with Fuji you get worse AF, worse IBIS and working with a lot of outdated glass not made for video whereas R7 has a huge backlog of EF-S lenses
josh can you do zv e10 and eos r7 side by side must be awesome! thank you in advance!
Unfortunately I don't have a ZV-E10, but the R7 will blow the ZV-E10 out of the water for video because of it's ability to shoot 10-bit 422.
@@Josh_Sattin really thank you for infomation josh, keep making great content for us 💪🏻
I have problem with R7 Clog3. Video clips won't playback on PC with VLC and when dropped the clip into Davinci Resolve, DR only see sound but no footage.
I would like to know what I've be doing wrong here. BTW Video clips with out using Clog3, there are no problem at all.
Hi. If u use Davinci free version, Davinci shows all 10bit video files (Clog3 HDRPQ) as an audio file MP4. U need to upgrade DR free to Davinci Resolve Studio
Thank you @@Kulagin.Production
This camera got crop in every 4k mode? 25fps? 60fps?
No. You can record uncropped oversampled video in 4K 24/25/30.
good job. this cam would be great if it fit my hands. too small with no grip
Thanks! It is definitely bigger than most APSC cameras. But, there isn't a perfect camera...
@@Josh_Sattin did you sell the R5C? If so how much did the market give you? Still trying to get my funds together.
I noticed my v60 cards can't handle the video in this camera at all lol time to upgrade yay
SD card v30 will be enough for this camera? Or the 4k 60p with C-LOG will not work properly?
Cards vary a lot. You need to figure out the actual sustained write speed for the card. It's not usually the one listed on the card, that is often the max speed. You can find the bitrates for the different modes and codecs on pg. 14: downloads.canon.com/notthistime/cameras/better/EOSR7_specifications-5-22.pdf
@@Josh_Sattin what card do you use?
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Now if I could get my hands on an R7
I hope you can get one soon!
okay so im confused, so i can shoot in 4k60 normal with no crop besides the 1.6x APSC crop?
Yes but it is line skipped and not oversampled.
@@Josh_Sattin does it make a big difference in quality?
@@jackjon777 That's what I go over in this video.
Thanks josh please keep the r7 video coming. Please can you also do a simple color grading strip for clog in r7?
You're welcome. I definitely hope to make that video. The list of videos that I want to make is getting pretty long right now. Here is a video that I did about color grading: czcams.com/video/7jTNKmXrxwg/video.html
Thanks for watching!
What is your opinion on the r7 vs r6?
I've never used a R6, but it depends on what you are doing with the camera.
@@Josh_Sattin oh ok I just was thinking in general professional hybrid shooting
I wonder why no camera seems to record on 1440p🧐
Can you explain in more detail the the 1080p 120fps setup? I don't understand why it claims to record in 120fps and then delivers the output in 30fps. Why not just go to 4K 60fps?
It's just a weird quirk/limitation of this camera. You need to go into the menu and under the first screen you change "High Frame Rate" to On. This puts it in that 1080p 120fps outputting in 30fps. It also only does timelapse in 30fps.
@@Josh_Sattin I have shot a few 120fps tests and the super slow mo playback looks great in Davinci Resolve. Do you mind please clarifying what it means that it is recorded in 120 but output in 30fps. Is that common for cameras and would we notice a difference if the record and output frame rates were the same?
It's a weird quirk in some of Canon cameras. As mentioned above, when you put it into the high frame rate setting it shoots in 120 fps but produces a file that is 30 fps. It is slowed down 4x in the camera. I needed to reduce it to 80% to play back properly in my 24fps timeline.
@@Josh_Sattin Thanks Josh. Video is not my strength, so your guidance is very welcome.
@@Josh_Sattin interesting. Thanks Josh
can u do a test video of the performance of each 4k setting at a higher iso level? since all cameras and even cellphones do great in brightly lit situations.
as a wedding videographer, sometimes i have to raise iso to 6400 on a f2.8 zoom for dances/reception. it would help to know whether to use 4k60 line skip or 4k60 crop & change the lens for these situations, or maybe non of the options r usable and 4k30 fine in a 24fps timeline for 80% speed slowmo is the only option
I made a detailed video testing the low light capabilities of this camera: czcams.com/video/gc-9YMb3Pn8/video.html
I think it will give you a good idea of the limitations. Thanks for watching!
any overheating?
czcams.com/video/2CuWfyI2Ob0/video.html
RE IPB/IPB Lite: For talking head type videos, IPB Lite is likely fine, but if you have shots/scenes with a fair amount of action, the IPB will look better.
Agreed. That's why I mentioned that this was a simple test and that the IPB Light might work great for talking head or interviews. I also mentioned that more testing is needed. Thanks for watching!
R7 comparison to c70 please sir
It's on my list of videos to make. The list is long right now.
I brought my camera Canon R7 video setting. 4k (25fps) I haven't 24fps. I need to 24fps let me know you reply
You need to change the camera from PAL to NTSC. Menu -> Wrench -> 2 - > Video system -> NTSC
@@Josh_Sattin I am Hearing Impaired. Thank you so much. I got to Video 24fps. I have been seeing time many of your CZcams tutorial performances ❤. I ready 4K and 24fps. But I am not found 4K Crop, 4K fine my camera R7. I need to 4K crop, 4K fine let me know one last reply
You can't shoot in 4K fine with a crop. You can only shoot 4K60 with a crop.
the 1080p was so soft I thought it was just out of focus.......ouch........
When comparing bit rates using static shot makes no sense. U need fast motion to see any difference.
Agreed. That's why I mentioned that this was a simple test and that the IPB Light might work great for talking head or interviews. I also mentioned that more testing is needed. Thanks for watching!
The issue with crop modes is lens limitations. Lens only have so much resolution they can output. Using low quality glass might actually look worse in fine detail mode (crop mode)
the 120fps is so bs. low bitrate and no audio. can only be used for gimicky set up scenes.