Ernie King had commanded Lady Lex at one time. It was said he never really forgave Fletcher for losing her and it might have contributed to his decision to relieve Fletcher later.
@@johnbarnes5237 Many years later many US Navy jet pilots would train on the next Lexington CV-16 as well. I was on board for a couple years 89-91. She was AVT-16 at that point but still had 11 battle Stars painted on the island.
@@johnbarnes5237 Fletcher wasn’t on the Lexington, he was in charge of the Yorktown task force Rear Admiral Aubrey Fitch was in charge of the Lexington task group
Most, if not all of these battle scenes, are stock footage from the Battle of the Philippine Sea fought in June 1944. It was such a disastrous defeat for the IJN that the American sailors called it the Miriana turkey shoot. Japan went full Kamikaze at this point since all of their best and experienced pilots had been lost. But to show the audience what it must have felt like the be in the Battle of Coral Sea by using this footage works for me. Great movie!!
Not enough picket ships or AA guns at this point. Real footage of some carrier in this clip. We would build a new Lexington CV-16 and it bristled with AA. Flag ship of Task Group 58. 11 Battle Stars. I served on Lexington AVT-16 in 89-91, I'll always be super proud of that. She was my first older lady. Now she's a museum and I've been to see her.
The Coral Sea battle was an essential part of the whole story of the Battle of Midway. Too bad Hollywood had to dumb it down for the viewing audience and make the movie a shorter version...except when it was shown on TV. I remember when it was shown on TV and appreciated the extra footage very much.
The truth is that there was no kamikazes in the Battle of the Coral Sea and also the Battle of Midway but yet some Japanese military pilots actually made a decision to hit his own plane to an American aircraft carrier. But yet it was actually came out later on when Japan was actually losing the war against America. Kaitan was actually a man in the torpedo to guide his own weapon to American ship later in the war.
We hear Admiral Fletcher's voice (Robert Webber) but dont see him but then again this was added after the initial film was shot so they were probably just lucky to have him record lines. The most glaring thing was the absence of Admiral Halsey as he was rushing to get the Enterprise to Coral Sea to support the others but was too late. This was shown in the Midway remake in 2019. But there was probably no way they could get Bob Mitchum back to shoot more scenes.
.they need to put this back in the film, some of the footage here is really authentic, The Kamikazes that slammed into The Yorktown and Lexington are real and it's just horrific the damage they caused
It seems like I remember another scene in the extended TV version where Admiral Nagumo was at his home speaking to a young Japanese soldier (or pilot) about the war. Am I dreaming this or was there another different version of this movie?
You are correct- the same younger pilot you were referring who was speaking to Admiral Nagumo was the same one who, shortly afterward, was flying a large reconnaissance seaplane & shot down....altogether there was about an hour of extra footage post-added when the film was first shown on TV (2 years later, in 1978); actors Charleton Heston and James Shigeta both reprised their roles as Garth and Nagumo, and actress Susan Sullivan was cast in the added scenes, also...
@@waistgunner3930 I don't know who has the rights to that version, but I wish they would show it on television again or offer it streaming or dvd. I liked the extra scenes, it gave a lot of what led to the Battle of Midway. Thanks!
@kevinalbertina136 Wholeheartedly agree !!! I have been forever looking for that version, myself, and wish they would re-release it (call it the full,complete extended version,etc,).. I know they still have it and I'm thinking they're keeping it (in reserve, or "shelved" as films are sometimes called) until the right time. Seeing that we're coming up on the 50th anniversary (1976), there's just that possibility they intend to do that as such & hope they will. For me, this movie is of very deep interest & meaning; my dad took me & my cousin to see it when it played at the theaters. I think, being a WW2 veteran, he wanted to go and see it also; having seen action in the South Pacific at Iwo Jima & Okinawa (he was also an eyewitness to the 1st U.S. flag raised over Suribachi). Also, as that it was the film was shown in "Sensurround", the effect was very much ahead of its time: l vivdly remember him being a bit "shook up" afterward & he said he had never seen anything depicted to that extent since the war itself. Myself, It has, again, very special meaning (and probably my all time favorite movie); I have a 2x3ft (24×36in.) movie poster of it on my wall... Let's hope (and pray) they do re-release it: uncut, uncensored, and with ALL added footage & extended scenes. p.s. If they ever release it, another movie you will want to have is "Storm over the Pacific". A Japanese film released in 1960, most of the recreated carrier attack scenes (seen) in Midway were borrowed from it: The renowned Japanese actor Toshiro Mifune (who played Admiral Yamamoto) was in this one as well, and played Rear Admiral Yamaguchi...
This is a good movie; I saw it in the theaters. My biggest complaint against it is that, being made in 1976, they still had that habit from decades earlier of including a soap opera sub plot. Whenever I watch this movie, I just skip over those parts. The 2019 movie was also pretty good but it was diminished by a lot of overacting. It also made no mention of the Battle of the Coral Sea which was critical to the Battle of Midway. I believe this scene was cut from the 1976 movie but they at least talked about it in other scenes.
@@jerometaperman7102 actually there were several mentions of Coral as well as scene where there was a sinking US carrier which was supposed to be Lexington but instead the CGI used was that of a Yorktown class carrier.
Usually the original theatrical film is shown. Sometimes the film is shown with these scenes added. These were added for television. It was usually done to split the film into 2 parts over 2 nights for ratings.
So that’s the one that wasn’t seen in the original movie. I can see that they obviously recycled many scenes from “Black Sheep Squadron” (even an F-4U view is evident). Makes you wonder if CPT. Tomio Harachi had a rough start at Coral Sea.
@Raymond Yee In the extended TV version of Midway The coral sea footage is added in right after the Japanese planning session on the battleship Yamato. Admiral Yamaguchi mentions that their coral sea operation will be starting. In the shorter version the next scene cuts to admiral Nimitz Landing at pearl Harbor on a PBY and than he discusses the after action report of the coral sea battle with Captain Garth and Rochefort in the jeep.
I will look into this further, but I do not believe the Lexington or the Yorktown had 40 mm canon or even 20 mm, this was early in the war, and there has not been time to re-arm these ships with the latest upgrades
I was half right, both ships were sunk without any 40 mm Bofors having been installed. They both still had multiple quad 1.1 machine cannons. However, both ships had many 20 mm guns installed in spring of 1942 Lexington had 32 installed, and still carried 28 .50caliber machine guns. (water cooled) Yorktown added 24 20 mm guns, and still had a number of .50 caliber machine guns on board ( water cooled) although I could not find the number. Originally she had had 28 installed so I’m guessing somewhere around the same number were still on board.
They need to put this back on the Netflix version, without this part of the movie the whole movie looses the true meaning of the victory at Midway, the battle of Coral Sea was important and both sides lost one carrier, it was a true battle foe Survival by both Nations
@@dallasmars2 just wondering about that myself considering I have original DVD of it. Makes me wonder if I am also missing some scenes from Battle of Britain, which sits right next to the Midway DVD
Kamikazes came out later when the Japanese were actually losing the war against America itself. They actually had Rammers which was actually a Japanese military plane that rammed in American bombers. Russia itself and then the Germans in 1945 had their own Rammers. German Rammers which hit American bombers in a month or two before Nazi Germany regime itself surrendered. They were actually called Elbe squadron or something like that named after the Elbe river. German Rammers which hit American bombers then bailed out afterwards but some of them were actually shot at by American gunners. Japanese Rammers never came back.
Wrong several AA crews reported that planes hit and on fire deliberately aimed towards ships and kept coming at them. The crews kept shooting until they blew them out of the sky. Lt Tomanagua the leader of the torpedo attack on the Yorktown at Midway was one such plane. He didn't have the fuel to make it back to the Hiryu so instead tried to smash himself into a cruiser after dropping his torpedo on the Yorktown. He ate 10 5 in shells.
I know from the Coral Sea battle the the US Yorktown was badly damaged in the battle. What kind of repairs and how fast did they make the repairs on Yorktown to fight at Midway?
@@tolifeimmortalsans9483but you left out that Yorktown’s super boiler was out and thus she could only achieve mid-20 knots consistently. Nobody discusses it much but it’s probably why Hiryu planes were able to find Yorktown but not Hornet or Enterprise. It’s also a good to conclude they Yorktown despite being handicapped was allowed to venture alone with her small screening force while Hornet and Enterprise paired up. Yorktown’s condition would cause more potential harm to Enterprise or Hornet had one do them tried to support Yorktown.
@@tolifeimmortalsans9483 Really appreciate you posting. Can you point me to where I can find the full extended version of the Midway film? I am from the US and couldn't find the film the Australian archives online. Thanks in Advance!
I haven't seen that part in a long time thanks for showing it.
Losing Lexington was heartbreaking. Especially for the pilots on Enterprise and Yorktown. Who had trained and earned their wings on the Lexington.
Ernie King had commanded Lady Lex at one time. It was said he never really forgave Fletcher for losing her and it might have contributed to his decision to relieve Fletcher later.
@@johnbarnes5237 Many years later many US Navy jet pilots would train on the next Lexington CV-16 as well. I was on board for a couple years 89-91. She was AVT-16 at that point but still had 11 battle Stars painted on the island.
@@johnbarnes5237 Fletcher wasn’t on the Lexington, he was in charge of the Yorktown task force
Rear Admiral Aubrey Fitch was in charge of the Lexington task group
Lady lex?😳
Jman
@@robertmunoz7543 Nickname for the USS Lexington given by the fliers who trained on her and the sailors who sailed on her.
Never saw this before!! Thanks for sharing!
Most, if not all of these battle scenes, are stock footage from the Battle of the Philippine Sea fought in June 1944. It was such a disastrous defeat for the IJN that the American sailors called it the Miriana turkey shoot. Japan went full Kamikaze at this point since all of their best and experienced pilots had been lost.
But to show the audience what it must have felt like the be in the Battle of Coral Sea by using this footage works for me.
Great movie!!
The tv versions are cool explains the plots better, the streaming version should add these scenes!🇺🇸
Not enough picket ships or AA guns at this point. Real footage of some carrier in this clip. We would build a new Lexington CV-16 and it bristled with AA. Flag ship of Task Group 58. 11 Battle Stars. I served on Lexington AVT-16 in 89-91, I'll always be super proud of that. She was my first older lady. Now she's a museum and I've been to see her.
This version was on the opening night for the movie saw it 1976 awesome
The Coral Sea battle was an essential part of the whole story of the Battle of Midway. Too bad Hollywood had to dumb it down for the viewing audience and make the movie a shorter version...except when it was shown on TV. I remember when it was shown on TV and appreciated the extra footage very much.
I grew up with a TV taping of this and it was a big deal growing up.
The truth is that there was no kamikazes in the Battle of the Coral Sea and also the Battle of Midway but yet some Japanese military pilots actually made a decision to hit his own plane to an American aircraft carrier. But yet it was actually came out later on when Japan was actually losing the war against America. Kaitan was actually a man in the torpedo to guide his own weapon to American ship later in the war.
Mr sulu says "oh my"!😳
Jman
We hear Admiral Fletcher's voice (Robert Webber) but dont see him but then again this was added after the initial film was shot so they were probably just lucky to have him record lines. The most glaring thing was the absence of Admiral Halsey as he was rushing to get the Enterprise to Coral Sea to support the others but was too late. This was shown in the Midway remake in 2019. But there was probably no way they could get Bob Mitchum back to shoot more scenes.
.they need to put this back in the film, some of the footage here is really authentic, The Kamikazes that slammed into The Yorktown and Lexington are real and it's just horrific the damage they caused
It seems like I remember another scene in the extended TV version where Admiral Nagumo was at his home speaking to a young Japanese soldier (or pilot) about the war. Am I dreaming this or was there another different version of this movie?
You are correct- the same younger pilot you were referring who was speaking to Admiral Nagumo was the same one who, shortly afterward, was flying a large reconnaissance seaplane & shot down....altogether there was about an hour of extra footage post-added when the film was first shown on TV (2 years later, in 1978); actors Charleton Heston and James Shigeta both reprised their roles as Garth and Nagumo, and actress Susan Sullivan was cast in the added scenes, also...
@@waistgunner3930 I don't know who has the rights to that version, but I wish they would show it on television again or offer it streaming or dvd. I liked the extra scenes, it gave a lot of what led to the Battle of Midway. Thanks!
@kevinalbertina136 Wholeheartedly agree !!! I have been forever looking for that version, myself, and wish they would re-release it (call it the full,complete extended version,etc,).. I know they still have it and I'm thinking they're keeping it (in reserve, or "shelved" as films are sometimes called) until the right time. Seeing that we're coming up on the 50th anniversary (1976), there's just that possibility they intend to do that as such & hope they will.
For me, this movie is of very deep interest & meaning; my dad took me & my cousin to see it when it played at the theaters. I think, being a WW2 veteran, he wanted to go and see it also; having seen action in the South Pacific at Iwo Jima & Okinawa (he was also an eyewitness to the 1st U.S. flag raised over Suribachi). Also, as that it was the film was shown in "Sensurround", the effect was very much ahead of its time: l vivdly remember him being a bit "shook up" afterward & he said he had never seen anything depicted to that extent since the war itself. Myself, It has, again, very special meaning (and probably my all time favorite movie); I have a 2x3ft (24×36in.) movie poster of it on my wall... Let's hope (and pray) they do re-release it: uncut, uncensored, and with ALL added footage & extended scenes.
p.s. If they ever release it, another movie you will want to have is "Storm over the Pacific". A Japanese film released in 1960, most of the recreated carrier attack scenes (seen) in Midway were borrowed from it: The renowned Japanese actor Toshiro Mifune (who played Admiral Yamamoto) was in this one as well, and played Rear Admiral Yamaguchi...
@kevin Albertina here is the full extended version of Midway
archive.org/details/midway-exetended-version
@Kevin Albertina here is the full extended version of Midway
archive.org/details/midway-exetended-version
This is actually a 1976 war movie it's actually more realistic than today version of nothingness. I always prefer the original one anytime.
This is a good movie; I saw it in the theaters. My biggest complaint against it is that, being made in 1976, they still had that habit from decades earlier of including a soap opera sub plot. Whenever I watch this movie, I just skip over those parts. The 2019 movie was also pretty good but it was diminished by a lot of overacting. It also made no mention of the Battle of the Coral Sea which was critical to the Battle of Midway. I believe this scene was cut from the 1976 movie but they at least talked about it in other scenes.
@@jerometaperman7102 actually there were several mentions of Coral as well as scene where there was a sinking US carrier which was supposed to be Lexington but instead the CGI used was that of a Yorktown class carrier.
@@andrewnlarsen - In the 2019 movie? I guess I’ll have to watch it again.
@@jerometaperman7102 it's there.
I have never seen these scenes before. They must have been cut from the TV version.
Usually the original theatrical film is shown. Sometimes the film is shown with these scenes added. These were added for television. It was usually done to split the film into 2 parts over 2 nights for ratings.
From a historical point of view these scenes have many inaccuracies.
They would’ve been wearing M1917 helmets and not M1s by May 1942.
So that’s the one that wasn’t seen in the original movie. I can see that they obviously recycled many scenes from “Black Sheep Squadron” (even an F-4U view is evident).
Makes you wonder if CPT. Tomio Harachi had a rough start at Coral Sea.
😂
Here is the full version
archive.org/details/midway-exetended-version
@@jimjenkins2319 full version.
archive.org/details/midway-exetended-version
@Raymond Yee In the extended TV version of Midway The coral sea footage is added in right after the Japanese planning session on the battleship Yamato. Admiral Yamaguchi mentions that their coral sea operation will be starting. In the shorter version the next scene cuts to admiral Nimitz Landing at pearl Harbor on a PBY and than he discusses the after action report of the coral sea battle with Captain Garth and Rochefort in the jeep.
I will look into this further, but I do not believe the Lexington or the Yorktown had 40 mm canon or even 20 mm, this was early in the war, and there has not been time to re-arm these ships with the latest upgrades
I was half right, both ships were sunk without any 40 mm Bofors having been installed. They both still had multiple quad 1.1 machine cannons.
However, both ships had many 20 mm guns installed in spring of 1942
Lexington had 32 installed, and still carried 28 .50caliber machine guns. (water cooled)
Yorktown added 24 20 mm guns, and still had a number of .50 caliber machine guns on board ( water cooled) although I could not find the number. Originally she had had 28 installed so I’m guessing somewhere around the same number were still on board.
They need to put this back on the Netflix version, without this part of the movie the whole movie looses the true meaning of the victory at Midway, the battle of Coral Sea was important and both sides lost one carrier, it was a true battle foe Survival by both Nations
Is this the 1976 "Midway?"
Yes it is this scene is from the extremely rare extended television version
Why wasnt.this on the DVD of this movie
@@dallasmars2 Good question.
@@dallasmars2 just wondering about that myself considering I have original DVD of it. Makes me wonder if I am also missing some scenes from Battle of Britain, which sits right next to the Midway DVD
There were no kamikazes at either Midway or Coral Sea.
I cannot for the life of me figure out why every movie about the battles shows them
@@travisdavis9577
I don't mind minor historical changes in a movie, but kamikazes in 1942 is a step way too far.
Kamikazes came out later when the Japanese were actually losing the war against America itself. They actually had Rammers which was actually a Japanese military plane that rammed in American bombers. Russia itself and then the Germans in 1945 had their own Rammers. German Rammers which hit American bombers in a month or two before Nazi Germany regime itself surrendered. They were actually called Elbe squadron or something like that named after the Elbe river. German Rammers which hit American bombers then bailed out afterwards but some of them were actually shot at by American gunners. Japanese Rammers never came back.
Wrong several AA crews reported that planes hit and on fire deliberately aimed towards ships and kept coming at them. The crews kept shooting until they blew them out of the sky. Lt Tomanagua the leader of the torpedo attack on the Yorktown at Midway was one such plane. He didn't have the fuel to make it back to the Hiryu so instead tried to smash himself into a cruiser after dropping his torpedo on the Yorktown. He ate 10 5 in shells.
Mabel leader & chilli beans?🤣
Padre john?🤔
Jman
When in the non extended version is the battle included (which scenes "bracket" it)?
Chalk one up for jellybean
I know from the Coral Sea battle the the US Yorktown was badly damaged in the battle. What kind of repairs and how fast did they make the repairs on Yorktown to fight at Midway?
She was repaired in days once she arrived at pearl Harbor and was sent back out to rendezvous at point Luck with Enterprise and Hornet
@@tolifeimmortalsans9483but you left out that Yorktown’s super boiler was out and thus she could only achieve mid-20 knots consistently.
Nobody discusses it much but it’s probably why Hiryu planes were able to find Yorktown but not Hornet or Enterprise.
It’s also a good to conclude they Yorktown despite being handicapped was allowed to venture alone with her small screening force while Hornet and Enterprise paired up.
Yorktown’s condition would cause more potential harm to Enterprise or Hornet had one do them tried to support Yorktown.
If this sequence would have been part of the"theatrical version" it would be a much better movie! BTW do have MacArthur Extended TV Version?
No I actually found the full extended version of this movie under the Australian movie archives
I have 2 other scenes from the TV version of Midway on my page from the battle of the coral sea that were not shown in the theatrical version.
@@tolifeimmortalsans9483 I just found them :)
This seems to be the extended version of the "climactic" attack on the Yorktown
@@tolifeimmortalsans9483 Really appreciate you posting. Can you point me to where I can find the full extended version of the Midway film? I am from the US and couldn't find the film the Australian archives online. Thanks in Advance!
5:39 Sandy McPeak
2:58
IS WRONG MIN 03:56 IS THE U.S.S. MONTEREY IN DIFERENT BATTLE... MIN 10:44 U.S.S. FRANKLIN IN OKINAWA
Not a fan of this part
This is NOT Battle of Coral Sea! These scenes were taken from MIDWAY! Damn! 👎
Read the description, chief
Woah?! The USS Lexington was at the Battle of Midway?! Astonishing!
Torpederos japoneses!!! Cazas zero a la cola joer!!!!