War, war never changes, it is the inevitability of humanity to collapse upon itself due to lack of unity and pride and to be honest we deserve to be forgotten
@vollirik No you don't get it : infantry holed up in trenches requires precision to hit, not just vast squares where hits are at random. Random just means wasteful, which is stupid. The benefit is only when faced with large concentrations in depth. Other than that, the effect is more psychological than anything else.
My friend's grandfather was in the polish army or something in the 50's in the soviet bloc and he says that the sound of this thing firing is the most horrifying sound you can hear.
Кстати катюши действовали не только как ракетное оружие но и как психологическое, зачастую бывало кто из немцев выживал после их бомбёжки то они больше не могли воевать после мощного потрясения.
@edderd8 Additionally, the Soviets opinion was of deficiencies in the armor after firing many anti-tank rounds at the same target. Not only did they report that the metal was of shoddy quality (a problem not particular to the Tiger II-as the war progressed, the Germans found it harder and harder to obtain the alloys needed for high-quality steel), but the welding was also, despite "careful workmanship", extremely poor.
If it was a BM-31-12 it was 12 300 MM warheads hitting in a smallish area in a short period of time. volirrik, rocket ammunition is actually cheaper than traditional artillery. It's the guidance systems that run the prices up so high on modern rocket munitions
@vollirik Nebelwerfer came before Katyusha in 1939 as rocket artillery on the german side. It was more in advance than anything the russians had at the time. That's not saying the Katyusha wasn't a good weapon, it was just more wasteful than the Nebelwerfer. Katyushas had to fire huge amounts of ammo to obtain the same result.
@edderd8 "During the winter of 1941-42 the T-34 again dominated German tanks through its ability to move over deep mud or snow without bogging down; German tanks could not move over terrain the T-34 could handle." "The German infantry, at that time armed mostly with PaK 36 37 mm (1.46 in) antitank gun, had no effective means of stopping T-34s"
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@RabidRat88 Those were feared only by a few weak. Most of troopers didn't even have to think about what's behind their backs as what's in front of them was way more dangerous and way more important.
@SuperRatchetclank You are mistakent, the development of the nebelwerfer- family startet after WWI and the first prototypes of the common 15cm/41 version were tested in the summer of 1940, two years before Stalingrad.
@edderd8 Additionally about T-34: “We had nothing comparable.” -Friedrich von Mellenthin (Panzer Battles) "One of the first known encounters with a T-34 was by the 17th Panzer Division which was spotted by the Dniepr River, it crushed a 37mm anti-tank gun, blew up two Panzer IIs and went on to leave nine more miles of destruction before being destroyed at close range by a howitzer."
@RabidRat88 You need to read some history books. German troops abandoned tranches and ran - yes, it was this scary. It was a common tactic during WW2: Katusha's bombard enemy frontlines from 1-2 miles away, while the soldiers advance.
@bgmaliradojica Maybe not on the scale or success of the Katyusha and its variants, but didn't at least the U.S have one system in place, the Calliope? Maybe it wasn't a purpose-built multiple rocket launcher, but it has to at least count, right? And what about the Germans and their Nebelwerfers (for sake of argument, lets limit that to just the ones they managed to mount on things like Maultiers and halftracks)? Not trying to be nasty here, just asking a question.
@RabidRat88 the Ju 87 was vulnerable to modern fighter aircraft, like many other dive bombers of the war. Its flaws became apparent during the Battle of Britain; poor manoeuvrability, lack of speed and defensive armament meant that the Stuka required a fighter escort to operate effectively. Once the Luftwaffe had lost air superiority on all fronts, the Ju 87 once again became an easy target for enemy fighter aircraft.
@gregovit i believe the inspiration for the tie-fighter came from, among others, the sound that stukas make when they dive-bomb :) guess both the galactic empire and germany wanted a psychological shock-effect when they deployed such weapon systems.
@RabidRat88 And talking about aircrafts... The Yak-3 was superior fighter plane to anything that germans had during WW2 including BF-109... to the point that german pilots were instructed to not dogfight the Yak-3.
@RabidRat88 Panther was never superior to T-34, equal technically, inferior in the mean of higher production cost and problems with reliability. T-34 improved over the years of war. 1941 T-34/76 (which Panther was 'copied' from) and T-34/85 (1944) are very different tanks, although they share the same hull pretty much. Panther V had a wee bit better armor and better vision but also had a smaller gun, was larger and heavier which also meant that it wasn't as fast and agile on the battlefield.
@edderd8 Resources of course played a large part but by far not the greatest. If the Blitzkrieg hadn't failed the limited resources wouldn't matter. My grandfather and grandmother fought in this war from the very begin (for Soviet) and till the very end so I know first hand what kind of sacrifices people had to make to achieve this victory.
@edderd8 War was 1939 to 1945 actually. It's just that since Stalingrad the outcome was pretty much obvious. The whole idea of Blitzkrieg was to conquer (or at least break the spine of Red Army and take Moscow) Soviet Union within first months, preferably before the winter (yes, Hitler knew what kind of winters Russia had). And during the first weeks-months they were extremely successful, capturing hundreds of thousands but then nazis were slowed down so much that war turned into a slow grind.
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@RabidRat88 And here we go again: "Following the military failures on the Eastern Front, from 1942 onwards, the Luftwaffe went into a steady, gradual decline that saw it outnumbered and overwhelmed by the sheer number of Allied aircraft being deployed against it. Towards the end of the war, the Luftwaffe was no longer a major factor" source Wikipedia. Or did they rewrite your "history" too?
Every nation has his own mark. For example, Germans got really good soilders, some great officers (like Rommel and his "Ghost Division") and a exelent but expensive equipment (Like MP40, Stg. 44, Stuka's, Foke's Wulf, V-2, Tigers, etc.); While Soviets had less excelency (because the soldiers were citizens), but real good and cheap weapons after all (Katyushka, PPsh41, Mosin-Nagrat, AK-47, T-34, etc).
@0puest0 Its a katyusha. Nebelwerfer was a joke compare to BM-13
Před 13 lety
@Rocketromano343 Soviet-made La-7 outclassed Focke Wulf 190 in all respects, and even the Me 109 G. Also Soviet Union had the FASTEST plane in ww2, the BI 1, which could reach speeds of up to 990 km/h, and Is-2 could hold its own with the Tiger any time any place
@zentralwerkstatt Soviet didn't exactly fail at Finland. Soviet had what they came for after the war with Finland, although at a high price. Finland lost Karrelia and Salla in that war. Afganistan is a totally different story and not related anyhow to the WW2, as far as I imagine.
@RabidRat88 That possibly was true for first couple years of war but certainly isn't true for a second part of the war. Yak-3 was totally dominating the skies. "On 17 July 1944, eight Yaks attacked a formation of 60 German aircraft, including escorting fighters. In the ensuing dogfight, the Luftwaffe lost three Junkers Ju 87s and four Bf 109Gs, for no losses to the Yaks." 8 vs 60. Go figure out. ;)
@RabidRat88 "Usually the Yak-3 could get on the tail of the Fw 190A at the second 360° turn, and of the Bf 109 at the third full cycle." So here we go again... There is documented FACT that German command ordered Luftwaffe to avoid dogfighting Yak-3. German didn't have airplains that could dogfight 1 vs 1 against Yak-3. Why are you still arguing?
только в шутках. в них его называли тараканом (Коба) тоже. и умирали от таких шуток. only in the jokes. they called him as a cockroach ("Коба") too, and had dying after from these jokes.
@criosray Any more well known anecdotes about the T-34 you want to bore us with ? No one denies the T-34 was a better design than the german tanks in 1941. When they caught up, they demonstrated their engineering skills with the Panther in 1943, which was far superior to any T-34. Of course, by then it was far too late to change anything.
@Rocketromano343 i disagree - the soviet soldiers on the eastern front displayed suicidal bravery which can not be compared to their western counterparts
@RabidRat88 Apparently you actually don't know that much about WW2 as you claim. The BM-13 was not precise but it didn't matter with density and the rate of the fire it was providing. It had a totally devastating psychological effect on enemy troops. Nazis didn't have anything even relatively as scary as BM-13 during WW2. Even Luftwaffe couldn't be as devastating and scary as a BM-13's
Its not real sound of Katiusha, by the way. Sound was overlaped. Such "uaaauuu" sound was typical for German Nebelverfer. Thats why russian soldiers called it - "donkey". Russian Katiusha (BM-13) had low sound
@zentralwerkstatt As was already said nazi lost it in 1942. The day the Blitzkrieg tactic failed, the war was basically decided. Yes, resources mattered a lot but much more mattered the sacrifices of Soviet people in the first months of the war. Those that allowed to stop nazis at Moscow. And you are right the German army was much better equipped and better trained in the begin of the war. That's true. And that was the only hope for Barbarossa to succeed.
To get close to enuff Dakka you need to have outrageous amounts of weapons on a single object. This seems to count as something that has close to enuff Dakka.
How can anything last through all those rockets? I just saw a documentary of when USA went to Iwo Jima to take the island from the Japanese. They had rockets going off crazy like this too on the ships.. but they still had to go in and fight the Japanese who hid in tunnels and all.
@RabidRat88 "The German offensive against the Kursk salient in July 1943, saw the Luftwaffe fly almost 3000 combat sorties on the first day alone. A huge arial battle ensued as the German fighters wrought havoc and the Russians suffered heavy losses. However Russians rapidly established air superiority, as the sheer weight of numbers as well as an ever-increasing level of ability began to tell." Don't like the truth? Hitler didn't like it too.
The best sound over Berlin in 1945.
The sound itself is just blazing!
War, war never changes, it is the inevitability of humanity to collapse upon itself due to lack of unity and pride and to be honest we deserve to be forgotten
Game over.
Awesome sound.
Qu'est-ce que c'est beau !
I love the sound of Katyusha in the morning :D
@vollirik No you don't get it : infantry holed up in trenches requires precision to hit, not just vast squares where hits are at random. Random just means wasteful, which is stupid. The benefit is only when faced with large concentrations in depth. Other than that, the effect is more psychological than anything else.
awesome sound that yields terrifying results!
Music to my ears
@RabidRat88 And on the Eastern front too. Especially since after Yak-3 started to be produced.
My friend's grandfather was in the polish army or something in the 50's in the soviet bloc and he says that the sound of this thing firing is the most horrifying sound you can hear.
Le bruit est terrifiant.
Bof
Drumbeats of death!
👍👍👍👍👍
@SuperRatchetclank .
i know i know, but the first Misile atack is the NebelWerfer, next is Katiusha and the callipoe.
:D
Кстати катюши действовали не только как ракетное оружие но и как психологическое, зачастую бывало кто из немцев выживал после их бомбёжки то они больше не могли воевать после мощного потрясения.
someone make a 10 hour version of this
@rabies79
Absolutely! And abolutely amazing or unbelievable what happened 70 years before...
KATIUSHA!!!!!!
je comprend mieux maintenant quand mon père disait qu'il avait peur quand il entendait le son des orgues de Staline.
Imagine entendre ça en pleine nuit, c'était pas précis mais si ça te touchait ça te tuait direct
@edderd8 Additionally, the Soviets opinion was of deficiencies in the armor after firing many anti-tank rounds at the same target. Not only did they report that the metal was of shoddy quality (a problem not particular to the Tiger II-as the war progressed, the Germans found it harder and harder to obtain the alloys needed for high-quality steel), but the welding was also, despite "careful workmanship", extremely poor.
If it was a BM-31-12 it was 12 300 MM warheads hitting in a smallish area in a short period of time.
volirrik, rocket ammunition is actually cheaper than traditional artillery. It's the guidance systems that run the prices up so high on modern rocket munitions
Как же мне нравиться этот звук
@vollirik Nebelwerfer came before Katyusha in 1939 as rocket artillery on the german side. It was more in advance than anything the russians had at the time.
That's not saying the Katyusha wasn't a good weapon, it was just more wasteful than the Nebelwerfer. Katyushas had to fire huge amounts of ammo to obtain the same result.
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@edderd8 "During the winter of 1941-42 the T-34 again dominated German tanks through its ability to move over deep mud or snow without bogging down; German tanks could not move over terrain the T-34 could handle."
"The German infantry, at that time armed mostly with PaK 36 37 mm (1.46 in) antitank gun, had no effective means of stopping T-34s"
thanks for em, and t34
@DSFARGEG00 Thanks, My Great Grandfather Brother died in Stalingrad.
Pretty.
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i really want one
По фрицам самое то
@mffp1 No he was apart of the German 6th army, which was completely destroyed in Battle of Stalingrad.
@RabidRat88 Those were feared only by a few weak. Most of troopers didn't even have to think about what's behind their backs as what's in front of them was way more dangerous and way more important.
Yes, this is "Katyusha"
@SuperRatchetclank You are mistakent, the development of the nebelwerfer- family startet after WWI and the first prototypes of the common 15cm/41 version were tested in the summer of 1940, two years before Stalingrad.
@0puest0 The nebelwerfer was created after the Katyuhsa in a desperate battle they could'nt won.
@edderd8 Additionally about T-34:
“We had nothing comparable.” -Friedrich von Mellenthin (Panzer Battles)
"One of the first known encounters with a T-34 was by the 17th Panzer Division which was spotted by the Dniepr River, it crushed a 37mm anti-tank gun, blew up two Panzer IIs and went on to leave nine more miles of destruction before being destroyed at close range by a howitzer."
Whoever will come to us with a sword, from a sword will perish. Long live Mother Russia!
@RabidRat88 You need to read some history books. German troops abandoned tranches and ran - yes, it was this scary. It was a common tactic during WW2: Katusha's bombard enemy frontlines from 1-2 miles away, while the soldiers advance.
@bgmaliradojica Maybe not on the scale or success of the Katyusha and its variants, but didn't at least the U.S have one system in place, the Calliope? Maybe it wasn't a purpose-built multiple rocket launcher, but it has to at least count, right? And what about the Germans and their Nebelwerfers (for sake of argument, lets limit that to just the ones they managed to mount on things like Maultiers and halftracks)? Not trying to be nasty here, just asking a question.
@RabidRat88 the Ju 87 was vulnerable to modern fighter aircraft, like many other dive bombers of the war. Its flaws became apparent during the Battle of Britain; poor manoeuvrability, lack of speed and defensive armament meant that the Stuka required a fighter escort to operate effectively. Once the Luftwaffe had lost air superiority on all fronts, the Ju 87 once again became an easy target for enemy fighter aircraft.
@gregovit i believe the inspiration for the tie-fighter came from, among others, the sound that stukas make when they dive-bomb :)
guess both the galactic empire and germany wanted a psychological shock-effect when they deployed such weapon systems.
@criosray That's your version. You were there, maybe ?
terrifying man really terrifying, I dont think any war film shown them I cant think of any
Must have been terrifying to hear.
Ah the sound of an eponymous swarm tactic, which ironically really does sound like a wasp swarm! I love it.
NINJA !!!
@RabidRat88 And talking about aircrafts... The Yak-3 was superior fighter plane to anything that germans had during WW2 including BF-109... to the point that german pilots were instructed to not dogfight the Yak-3.
I know a lot more about WWII than you ever will.
it sounds like something out of star wars
@RabidRat88 Panther was never superior to T-34, equal technically, inferior in the mean of higher production cost and problems with reliability.
T-34 improved over the years of war. 1941 T-34/76 (which Panther was 'copied' from) and T-34/85 (1944) are very different tanks, although they share the same hull pretty much.
Panther V had a wee bit better armor and better vision but also had a smaller gun, was larger and heavier which also meant that it wasn't as fast and agile on the battlefield.
If it's indeed possible to express language through the medium of music, then this sound represents the phrase "I AM GOING TO FUCK YOU UP."
Puissance de feu
TERRIFIANT
joe go mais une précision médiocre
C’est pour tout casser, pas besoins de précision.
@edderd8 Resources of course played a large part but by far not the greatest. If the Blitzkrieg hadn't failed the limited resources wouldn't matter.
My grandfather and grandmother fought in this war from the very begin (for Soviet) and till the very end so I know first hand what kind of sacrifices people had to make to achieve this victory.
I made at least a 9 minute version of it.
the symphony of destruction
@edderd8 War was 1939 to 1945 actually. It's just that since Stalingrad the outcome was pretty much obvious. The whole idea of Blitzkrieg was to conquer (or at least break the spine of Red Army and take Moscow) Soviet Union within first months, preferably before the winter (yes, Hitler knew what kind of winters Russia had). And during the first weeks-months they were extremely successful, capturing hundreds of thousands but then nazis were slowed down so much that war turned into a slow grind.
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To [correct] In Northern and Southern AmerikeNovaja France
Трёхречье
@aduhux Islands Eparse
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Уоллис and Futuna
New Hebrides (a condominium with Great Britain, nowadays Vanuatu)
@RabidRat88 And here we go again: "Following the military failures on the Eastern Front, from 1942 onwards, the Luftwaffe went into a steady, gradual decline that saw it outnumbered and overwhelmed by the sheer number of Allied aircraft being deployed against it. Towards the end of the war, the Luftwaffe was no longer a major factor" source Wikipedia. Or did they rewrite your "history" too?
@criosray And you have ? I have read accounts of it, which is already more than you have done I'm sure.
Every nation has his own mark. For example, Germans got really good soilders, some great officers (like Rommel and his "Ghost Division") and a exelent but expensive equipment (Like MP40, Stg. 44, Stuka's, Foke's Wulf, V-2, Tigers, etc.); While Soviets had less excelency (because the soldiers were citizens), but real good and cheap weapons after all (Katyushka, PPsh41, Mosin-Nagrat, AK-47, T-34, etc).
@0puest0 Its a katyusha. Nebelwerfer was a joke compare to BM-13
@Rocketromano343 Soviet-made La-7 outclassed Focke Wulf 190 in all respects, and even the Me 109 G. Also Soviet Union had the FASTEST plane in ww2, the BI 1, which could reach speeds of up to 990 km/h, and Is-2 could hold its own with the Tiger any time any place
@zentralwerkstatt Soviet didn't exactly fail at Finland. Soviet had what they came for after the war with Finland, although at a high price. Finland lost Karrelia and Salla in that war.
Afganistan is a totally different story and not related anyhow to the WW2, as far as I imagine.
most epic comment i have read in days!
Sounds like a Tie Fighter Squadron
@DSFARGEG00 It still sucked less than being in a Gulag.
@RabidRat88 That possibly was true for first couple years of war but certainly isn't true for a second part of the war. Yak-3 was totally dominating the skies.
"On 17 July 1944, eight Yaks attacked a formation of 60 German aircraft, including escorting fighters. In the ensuing dogfight, the Luftwaffe lost three Junkers Ju 87s and four Bf 109Gs, for no losses to the Yaks."
8 vs 60. Go figure out. ;)
unless they thought this was just another music to their earholes
Now that's what I call dakka!
...nawt enuff dakka.
This sound like a "Katyusha"
Mmm, dat's sum good dakka.
@RabidRat88 "Usually the Yak-3 could get on the tail of the Fw 190A at the second 360° turn, and of the Bf 109 at the third full cycle."
So here we go again... There is documented FACT that German command ordered Luftwaffe to avoid dogfighting Yak-3. German didn't have airplains that could dogfight 1 vs 1 against Yak-3. Why are you still arguing?
Do we have Enuff dakka yet?
@SuperRatchetclank .
i never heart that. where u read this ?
link plz !
LONG LIVE BM-13
LONG LIVE MOTHER RUSSIA
LONG LIVE KATYUSHA
только в шутках. в них его называли тараканом (Коба) тоже. и умирали от таких шуток.
only in the jokes. they called him as a cockroach ("Коба") too, and had dying after from these jokes.
It was originally to drop smoke screens.
So you don't know all that much about rocket artillery. And being precise is always better no matter what.
@RabidRat88 You obviously have a vast experience?
@RabidRat88 And go check on C-47, btw. ;)
@criosray Any more well known anecdotes about the T-34 you want to bore us with ? No one denies the T-34 was a better design than the german tanks in 1941. When they caught up, they demonstrated their engineering skills with the Panther in 1943, which was far superior to any T-34. Of course, by then it was far too late to change anything.
@Rocketromano343 i disagree - the soviet soldiers on the eastern front displayed suicidal bravery which can not be compared to their western counterparts
@RabidRat88 Apparently you actually don't know that much about WW2 as you claim. The BM-13 was not precise but it didn't matter with density and the rate of the fire it was providing. It had a totally devastating psychological effect on enemy troops. Nazis didn't have anything even relatively as scary as BM-13 during WW2. Even Luftwaffe couldn't be as devastating and scary as a BM-13's
Its not real sound of Katiusha, by the way.
Sound was overlaped.
Such "uaaauuu" sound was typical for German Nebelverfer. Thats why russian soldiers called it - "donkey".
Russian Katiusha (BM-13) had low sound
Now that's what I wish our Battery had been given. They shoot a 107mm or two at us, we shoot a salvo back.
Love that sound. It's the sound of russian power in ww2
@zentralwerkstatt As was already said nazi lost it in 1942. The day the Blitzkrieg tactic failed, the war was basically decided. Yes, resources mattered a lot but much more mattered the sacrifices of Soviet people in the first months of the war. Those that allowed to stop nazis at Moscow. And you are right the German army was much better equipped and better trained in the begin of the war. That's true. And that was the only hope for Barbarossa to succeed.
To get close to enuff Dakka you need to have outrageous amounts of weapons on a single object. This seems to count as something that has close to enuff Dakka.
@ComradeFlorian28 Wrong. Nebelwerfer was a far better weapon. They just didn't have as many as the russians had Katyushas.
they probably used this for star wars
How can anything last through all those rockets? I just saw a documentary of when USA went to Iwo Jima to take the island from the Japanese. They had rockets going off crazy like this too on the ships.. but they still had to go in and fight the Japanese who hid in tunnels and all.
That's got to be TERRIFYING!
holy crabs!
@RabidRat88 "The German offensive against the Kursk salient in July 1943, saw the Luftwaffe fly almost 3000 combat sorties on the first day alone. A huge arial battle ensued as the German fighters wrought havoc and the Russians suffered heavy losses. However Russians rapidly established air superiority, as the sheer weight of numbers as well as an ever-increasing level of ability began to tell." Don't like the truth? Hitler didn't like it too.
nothing against our stukas ^^
Comparing Nebelwerfer against Katyusha's still a bit off too :D.