Cat launch new C13D 13 Litre engine at Conexpo - Allen Chen explains its key features and benefits
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- čas přidán 14. 03. 2023
- Today at ConExpo Caterpillar launched the new Cat C13D, 13 litre diesel engine platform, designed to achieve best-in-class power density, torque and fuel efficiency for optimising the performance of heavy duty off-highway applications.
Peter Haddock visited the stand and spoke to product specialist Allen Chen taking a walk around the new engine, in the video below.
Some key facts:
The inline, six-cylinder Cat C13D engine platform will offer eight power ratings from 456 to 690 hp (340 to 515 kW) with up to 2360 lb. ft. (3200 Nm) of peak torque. Engine-mounted aftertreatment and cooling packs will also be available.
The Cat C13D engine platform enables the use of renewable liquid fuels such as 100% HVO, B100 distilled biodiesel, and even up to B100 standard biodiesel by working with Cat dealers.
Visitors to ConExpo can see the new engine on stand S84329.
I'd love to see caterpillar engines on the road in new trucks again.
I’ll 2nd that
Not going to happen
@@melvinalbert6172 it will if we ban the EPA. Emissions are the biggest grift the rich have done since the palace of Versailles in the 1800s
Best engines ever
Working on that engine in a modern truck would be a major pain. I'm a road service mechanic, have you ever worked on a DD-15 & 16 with the compressor on the back? A rear gear train isn't a new idea for industrial engines, two stroke Detroits had it way back in the 1940's.
hydraulic lash adjusters = Lifters. CAT language, gotta love it
Im wondering if it has the hydraulic adjustment in the rockers like the cat C3.4b.
Nice ... I'll keep my 3406. Sounds great, over 2.4 million miles, 550 hp & paid for
3406 doesn't have 550 horse
They can produce over 600 hp with ease when properly set up . Back in the late ‘80’s when I was Truck shop Foreman at Hawthorne Cat here in San Diego Ca. We had a lot of customers trucks running 400 plus , 500 plus & even a few making 600 plus corrected REAR WHEEL horsepower figures on our Superflow Chassis Dyno & even built up one customers 3408 with twin compound turbos and custom Bosch Fueling system sourced from a guy in Wisconsin I believe that did tractor pulls and a custom set of Built in Peoria Illinois Cat injectors for it that made a very respectable 1785 horsepower on our engine dynamometer at over 130 psi of boost !! There was over $50-k invested in that engine build with everything from Ceramic coated pistons to machining the block & heads for custom fire-rings made out of Stainless steel to seal pressures in each cylinder along with all the associated piping to set up the twin turbo setup. Once it was installed into the Peterbilt truck it was slated for it produced over 1250 rear wheel horsepower and held it effortlessly ( our Dyno was only rated for 1500 hp at that time ) and that truck FLEW out on the highway . They hauled heavy equipment ( lowboy multi axle trailer) with it and had a Hell of a time with driveline issues as I recall . If my memory is correct they eventually de-tuned it a bit to Quell some of the high boost & torque issues at lower throttle positions to make it a bit easier to drive . Those were some good old days with minimal intrusion from our EPA & government. Wish we could somehow go back again ……🤔🤨😐
@@alvin6145 youcan have any engine tuned to any HP. I bet you dont even drive. or thats all you do.
@@alvin6145 seems you like to be a keyboard warrior. You obviously don't have a clue. In my line of trucking. off highway, High Mountain oversize load logging, you learn everything you can can about your ride and rigging and you get as much hp as you can because lf you can't pull a hill with a gross of 85000kg you can end up being your last load. But I bet highway princess like you wouldn't understand why we want 550- 600hp. Keep your mouth shut if you don't know. Keyboard warrior.
Rebuilt, flashed & she purrs
I love Cats. There are still a few out there, and I'm always happy when I get to drive them. They're coming back. YES !
Off road
Thank You
It Will be great to see this engine on Clases 8 trucks
Great example of commitment to sustainability
I'm waiting to see how this does long term. That fuel module is surely going to be expensive. But I like the no egr. Time will tell.
You are completely right, I agree with you!👍
I am really impressed with this engine however, give me a good old 3406B over any of the “modern” electronically manipulated engines any and every day.
there will never be another internal combustion powerplant with a better ROI than a 3406b in a heavy truck, dt466c in medium duty, and 12v cummins (case actually) in a pickup. If you have it...KEEP IT
@@petejohnson8397 The 3406b burned to much fuel to be a roi winner. I think a mid-90's Series-60 Detroit would be better. 7mpg, easy million miles between in-frams and they only cost about $10k for a complete in-frame rebuild. That's what I ran for 14 years('97 Freightliner with 470hp Detroit) and made alot more money than my friends with 3406b.
No it didn't ppl just don't have the right combos
My dad had a old school b and sipped fuel but everything wasn't stock
Is that the best engines to work on, and better in fuel ?
Too bad Cat didn't come out with this technology to keep Cat engines in big rig trucks. Stage 5 approved!
Can't wait to see this engine in the field. Looks amazing!
Will the engine work if I use mountain dew instead of oil?
@@locopaul1 yes
No black smoke no party 🎉
A lot of us in the industry remember the last new engine, latest and greatest you put on the market . ACCERT! Mine made it 278 miles before coming apart. Had to nearly haul your ass to court to get replacement engine. NO THANK YOU!
LMFAO thank you!! 😂
My 06 nxs Cat has 1.2 mil and still going strong with no rebuild.
Cute. My 1LW 3406e has 2,506,000+ set at 600hp.
2WS36607 at 1.8 mil never open mine
Also the last decent cat engine 😂
3406 probably the best engine Cat ever made, it’s a legendary world wide
@@12345anton6789 nothing better
Started with the venerable 1693 way back when. Literally ate the 350 Cummins going uphills.
Followed by failure to ignite, low def pressure, high soot loading, spalling cam lobes, abnormal update rate fault codes, failed Nox sensors and now hydraulic lifters........for those customers on the zero or extended maitenance plan🤣🤣🤣🤣 fuck I love my job, Cat, I personally want to thank you for funding my new truck and toys and various hunting trips thanks to these beauties.
Interesting note, these will be shipped overseas with zero emissions and 3x as reliable with more hp and tq and a drastic improvement in fuel efficiency, lets make America great again.
Couldn’t have said it any better myself
Sadly true
But hey the democrats think that this emissions bs will change the world....
A d the there us China polluting way more than many countries combined
I wish Cat would get back into the truck engine business.
Cat is at full capacity building off road equipment. Why would they want to get back into on road BS?
@Tom Christman why you ask? To make us happy. Get us away from the Red Cummins crap.
There’s no need for it. Trucking is not what it used to be.
Me and my series 60 series sitting here looking at eachother laughing are ass off
I swear to God, the only reason they quit making them was because they weren’t selling enough parts lol 😂😂 best Detriot of my generation I never got to work on the 2 strokes tho
Dam straight
Hold on to it as long as u can
Simple and reliable
Yet affordable
So with everything in the back of the engine it makes it harder to work on?
Not necessarily. Depends on the application honestly. If they go OTR, you just know that Freightshaker and Intertrashional will make working on them infuriating. On machines though, it generally isn't a whole lot worse.
Not on a cabover
@@Tchristman100
There are no need for COE any longer. What was the last one in this country, the Argosy?
They don’t build them to be worked on
all the fluids in one component hate to replace that component
Thank you
Basically a compressor on top coded for dpf 🤘🤘🤘
This particular engine in a high-way truck. Would be a mechanics nightmare. It might be a high performer. But having the gear train up against a fire wall? 😬
Right?
just about all the engines in trucks now have a rear gear train
Someone works on dd13 ,15 ,16 engines
Yeah and on mack if you tear up a air compressor gear its like 26k to fix it. Got to pull transmission. They make nothing on the truck and they rape you in the shop
So correct me if I didn't hear this right...a pump stack built as a single unit is moving all 3 engine fluids??? Sounds like an easy way to mix all of them. I'd much rather chase leaks than have some Frankenstein pump that's gonna be backordered till they come out with a replacement model again.
I genuinely thought this was for April fools but they’re being serious.
Oh, look a variable, geometry turbo. What could go wrong?
Cat has stayed away from them for 15 years on this size engine, in that time there has been lots of development to get them reliable unlike the first versions.
I hope it will become a part of the Road Transport Industry again. It is a disgrace, how this Iconic brand has been shut out of the most important Industry World Wide.
Caterpillar is a great product but anything you have something new you really need to see just how good it is also I don't understand the gears in the back of the engine how do you work on it if it needs repairs?
Will it be an on the highway model a.k.a. over the road
Are they going to adapt them for boats?
Can I put the motor in the peterbilt 385 i m glad to saw 2008 I got c-13
I have a kw with c-13, I would like to up grade to something like this if it will give me better mileage and power
I'm wondering what the reliability of that small engine is going to be In something big like a 631 scraper
So what about service life and rebuild ability???..does the engine have sleeves or is it a Bic lighter and you throw it away when it’s time and drop in a new one???
Everything. Larger then the 3116 has liners. It's all repairable. I guess the big question is if they finally dropped he spacer plate setup.
I saw another video on this engine and it showed it with the head off and I could see the liners but I couldn’t tell if it had a spacer plate…bigger cat engines have had them for a long time…not sure if they would drop it or not…🤔
@@roballan4944 3126/C7 to be pedantic. Re the spacer plate the 3176/C-12/C13 have all had mid supported liners that is the step in the liner is about halfway down the stroke to give better support. The 3176 had a spacer deck that filled that space - but if you didn't keep glycol well above 30% it could get cavitated away - this was replaced by iron with the C-12 as casting technology had improved so that the weight penalty was no longer significant. The C-12 was Cat's most reliable on-highway engine - at least in Australia, bar none.
Good I hope!!!!
I remember buying a c4.4 14 years ago for $45,000. It was configured as a marine generator.
It worked great for a little while and then turned into a huge nightmare. Until today, no one knows how to tighten the cylinder head.
Think twice before buying a new CAT product. They are known to suck
A 13 litre engine produces up to 690 hp this I got to see and what about the torque?
max torque is 2360 lb ft @ 1300. Cat used to race C-12 engines in Europe and Australia - they reached ~1500hp and 3000 lbft with main components only lightened (crank) for response. The bottom end was AWESOME. The one in Australia was kept at around 1200 hp as it didn't need to be babied at all, called old reliable. Just roll up to practice bring the truck and go for it.
It it wet sleeved engine?
Keep in mind that this is for OFF HIGHWAY use only.
You won’t see it in a Peterbilt over the road.
Cat IS offering new castings of the old engines (with a core trade-in of similar era - year and electronics, and it can be a Cat for X or Cummins/Detroit for X+). Looking forward to new blocks (and hopefully other vital parts being made available).
czcams.com/video/-TDYSSv860g/video.html or will you?
Most don't understand this at all. Just had co-worker say CAT bring out new engine for trucks. Shows me pictures of this engine LOL.
Literally no questions about serviceability of that fluid module; rebuild ability; or any other real actual questions, just gushing like you're a cat salesman on your knees.
Service life on the DPF SCR combo? replacement costs? Fuel pump reliability given it's not flowing excess fuel?
Does this connect to the soviet truck gearbox that is so Common in former soviet satellite countries , because their engines are coming to the end of their lives but not their gearboxes and differential. Massive market for caterpillar
I will keep my C-15
I’m a dealer field tech. We’ll see how this goes.
Now you will have to remove the whole engine just to replace those leaky gear gaskets, cause now they are on the back! And they are proud of that new design. Lol. I hope it's not that way. That could get pretty darn expensive at a repair shop
My boss is more than willing to take a crack at reprogramming this engine for on road use if anyone tries to do an engine swap in a truck. The emission standards and rules on the books are about the same for off-road to on-road applications anymore.
Can you put this engine in a mack
Cat has always been the best moters ever!!!!!!!
I only want one to put in my truck!
😂me as well only need 1
Be careful what you wish for. I would give them ten years before trying. Let someone else pioneer the headaches.
👌👌👌👌
Sencers are the Achilles hill of all diesel engines.
Where are the parts sourced,and where is it assembled
That’s a good question
I'm betting China
C9 to C18 are assembled in Seguin Texas (near San Antonio).
@@ianloy1854 where do the parts come from to assemble them?
@@daleolson3506 From all over I am sure including China. I can't remember the supplier countries when I did a factory tour not so long ago. Many are from the USA, Cat has a component facility also near San Antonio for these engines.
We switched out our long time proven CAT for a newer, electronic CAT and wow.. what a lot of problems.
They left us with a troubleshooting device that was not fully unlocked and could not diagnose a faulty cam position sensor.
New engine, less than 6 months old in a stationary location, only used for Emergency generator use and it wouldn't run due to a faulty cam sensor.
As an industrial electronics tech with many years experience, I was unimpressed with the entire unit.
Thats why CAT 3406 is still king💪💪
Hope to see this engines fits in otr trucks
Make Peterbilt Great Again!!!!!
‼I like your style
👍😉😀
I want to see KT3406E's opinion on this engine.
I hope there is a mechanical version of this engine
Can this be put in a truck?
CAT engines is back from the ashes
The European engines have had rear gear trains for years and since the trucks are cab overs that makes sense. Even in an off road application you mean to tell me it’s going to be easier to pull an engine for a camshaft change than to pull a radiator? He says less vibration I say doubtful and by how much. John Deere has done the same thing with their new engines, so we will see. Unfortunately these engineers never work on or repair these things so that isn’t included in their rational thought. A good running cat engine in a highway truck again would be a hot item.
He didnt let the cat guy talk enough in my opinion
Where are the oil filters fuel.?….
Does this mean we can put CAT's back in our OTR trucks?
Probably not worth it. But that's just me.
@@shakiepete7782 I’d risk it for a biscuit…
No! Why do you say that ?
The thing is, every trucker knows that there aint nothing like a Yellow Engine 😎. Thats why Cumaparts havent ever actually replaces them. Heck, those Red Cumaparts cant even comparw to the most reliable engine close to the old CATs , the Detroit Series 60, the most popular engine right now for Owner Ops
No.
It's pretty obvious this is not going in a truck with that configuration - this is intended for equipment application and you either take off the rear panels or take the engine out to repair it.
How often are people changing gears on the gear train? I think you’re being a little ridiculous. This ain’t a car with a timing belt in the rear gear training needing replacement every 100k miles.
Big bore mean more torque which moves the wheels or gets work done, not seeing with this little 13 liter C13D with high horsepower kiddie bs. Going backwards with the cheap plastic filter housing would be removed and adapted by my standards to multi- spin on steel filter assembly. Then the camshaft would be a pain in the ass removing from the rear of the engine like a Paccrap engine. Have to remove the engine from truck or equipment to gain access. Then the variable turbos always breaks compare to just one standard turbo. I probably let it sit on the shelf in the Cat dealer and stay with my 3406 style engine.
What’s next? Discontinuing the c15? Phasing out the 3500 series? Any other genius moves?
This is taking the c15 and c18 spot. They are being discontinued.
Tier5 but breather tube goes straight to ground. Seems odd
Some of the larger engines don't require crank case fumes ventilation per EPA or EU. It also possible they went to a filter inside the valve cover like the 3.6L but I doubt it.
@@outdoor044 You are correct about the filter as the emissions from the breather are measured as part of the exhaust and that now includes both a mass AND a particle count requirement so you can't afford to NOT have it VERY well filtered. Alternative is to put it into the engine, Cat has never liked putting anything other than clean air into the engines. '04 ACERT avoided EGR. '07 ACERT brought exhaust in AFTER the DPFs (and a whole lot of other issues as it turned out). EGR was done when required on the earthmoving side as it was preferable at the beginning to requiring AdBlue/DEF, Cat equipment can be in some incredibly remote locations.
😎 how much $$$$ is a module ???
This build configuration is a paccar engine printed yellow😮
you might want to look again, the daf mx engine is different in every way
Or perhaps an MAN engine?
No it’s not. Most definitely CAT
where is the EGR I do not see one on that engine unless is some weird internal EGR inside the head?
There's no EGR on this engine.
DEF addresses the same thing. They're moving away from NRS/EGR and letting the DEF take care of it.
@@typrus6377 that's amazing are there new engines like this? even the x15 has an EGR all other newer engines have it and honestly I think the EGR is the biggest pain to deal with on modern engines, just this alone makes me want to have something with this engine. I'm surprised it's not a selling point on their brochure.
@esaucl That C9.3B in the background of the video doesn't have EGR/NRS. And those have been being installed for a couple of years now in equipment. I've put hands on several units that are that way.
@@typrus6377 is this mainly for off highway applications?
Oh that Cat rep had a shit fit when I touched their plastic engine at con expo
Look forward to seeing it after 1,000,000 miles with a comprehensive maintenance history.
Garage engine, gears in the rear just like Volvo, Detroit, Paccar and Maxipad Maxxforce
Isn't the c-series owned by international now?
No - all Cat
Make one for my 1 ton
Which trucks will these engines be in?
None.
This is possibly an industrial, and maybe a marine engine.
Who said anything about this going into a truck ????. Not cat .
Absolutely none. All off highway
@@HJZ75driver Yup, that's the way I heard it. Industrial, or other off-road applications only.
There’s no replacement for cubic displacement. Hope it proves itself.
I do not understand is why this engine is called cat when it’s Mitsubishi?
So many more things to go wrong...great!
It's a 1693 design rear gear train and I bet over head cam
Wish they would make a real diesel that has direct injection and ignition through compression and no DEF
So it’s a paccar mx13 painted yellow
The current C13 engines dont last at just over 425 hp. I cant imagine this is going to last any longer. Stay tuned for the endless service letters and bulletins just so they can make it to 10k hours.
Can I put this in my Pete
Everyone else has had common rail engines since 2002...
The rear structure PTO porting is the same as a 1995 cat d8r.. none of that is new. This cat engine looks like a half breed Isuzu/Perkins.
I will put this one in my truck
Hope you don't have a gear train failure because your pulling the trans or both to get to it,front drive is more accessible
Does D mean Deutz ?
@a man their marine engines come from Fiat so I thought they have finally realised that they cant built engines and it is better to buy them outside. Deutz has hydraulic lifters.
@@V8Lenny Cat haven't made their own engine smaller than the 9.3L in years. Now, they did recently release their own 3.something to replace the 4.4, but we'll see if it's worth a lick.... They have Fiat, Deutz, Perkins, and Kubota engines in their smaller line, painted yellow.
@@typrus6377 C12.9 is also Fiat
@@V8Lenny I've never been on the marine side, only land. I had until now never even heard of that engine. Interesting.
C13 blow up every day, C11 same engine less hp last for ever. C13 fire breather, is too expensive to rebuild, I hope they have plenty of crankshafts in stock this will throw a leg out of bed everyday.
Man that guy was annoying lol never watching this channel again that salesman has more patience than me
he was a loud mouth fool--turned the volume down--heard him fart a couple of times though
Send me one and I will try it out in my boat 😂 I will tell you what it's made of
put it on the end of the anchor chain and put the anchor where the engine goes…you’d have better chance of making it home….gear train at the back…they can stick it up their ass!
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The only company can use it is International cuz they have a separate emission system
That is seperate
international engines us a Cummins emission control system
C-18 is up to a 1000 horse, C13D @ 690 is 'all the power'?....riiiight.
They said in some other vids the ONE turbo C-18 - as you say the C-18 can do more power.
Engine c13 diesel good
Cant believe you guys got thirteen litres into that tiny package 😮
DD16; hold my beer...
Caterpillar is so far behind Detroit and cummins there is no way they can catch up with the years and millions of miles of experience designing diesel engines for highway trucks .. just in case u were dreaming of seeing a semitruck with a cat engine
Same guy in video
Imagine the industrial espionage going on there………. China
I guess we don't have to worry about them stealing the emissions tech. They don't care.
Cat and Cummins has already a large production in China and the info comes freely to China from both Cat and Cummins
Need it on highway
But……is it an American made engine?
either way it goes Ima stick with to Cummins bcuz looks like they copied PACCAR engine.
Give me a 3406b and im good we don’t need all the extra junk!! And yeah i said junk!!!
It's a cat Paccar all Paccar motors have the. Gears in the back and we know how they work