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Is league dying. No. Players don't really leave the game.
Is league getting new players. No. That's the problem. The game is so difficult to play and there is absolutely 0 resources from Riot on how to play the game.
League is by far the worst new player experience you can have in a game.
Agreed. It's between this and escape from tarkov. The problem is league has an incredibly toxic player base in the low skill brackets who have been hard stuck for years.
@@trevorgerman8206Not even in low skill brackets, even in low level. I remember leveling an account in another server and I've never seen this amount of toxicity. Slurs every game, death threats, spam pings, inting. Everyone was from mid to high elo so they shat on newbies and acted like they won world championship. Riot shouldn't just ban accounts but also hardware imo. Maybe this way beginners wouldn't experience that crap
@@quaderex3420 This is exactly why I bounced off the game initially, it's nearly impossible to have a good enough experience to stick with the game until being competent enough to not piss off the smurfs on your team because nearly every game has someone who should not be there, if not like 2/3 per team.
Literally the moment I stepped out of quickplay into *normal draft*, the next three games were:
-Midlaner threw a shitfit because they died early and started roaming and inting, calling people "Cringe Randoms"
-Mid and top got into a fight throwing slurs around in chat
-ADC I was supporting went afk because he couldn't fathom how I didn't know the ignite kill threshold, in a lobby where everyone was sub level 30 accounts. Somehow this was the only one we won
I think unless you're a masochist or playing with a 3+ stack, the new player experience is just way too abrasive to actually hold players until they've hit the skill floor for regular play. At bare minimum they either need to figure out a way to weed out the smurf plague or create a solo/coop gamemode with AI good enough to bridge the gap between game start and team play. It's genuinely sad because the game is amazing when playing with a full stack of friends where you don't have to care as much, but otherwise it's insufferable to deal with matchmaking.
New bots are a pretty good time honestly. They play much better than before and actually simulate real League to an extremely low rank level (Intermediate bots are around low Bronze level of play). I agree that resources are lacking but it's a good time for new players. We got 3 new people to play it in the past year and they are Bronze and we are having a blast (I'm high Diamond low Master but playing on 150 ping and usually just play Jungle - not my main role). The game modes are fun for them. Regular matches teach them a ton. They found the characters they enjoy. League is great. Just need to have someone guide you for a bit. I don't think Riot can fix this part. Having a human with you for months is impossible to replicate with software alone.
@trevorgerman8206 I mean thats true of all skill brackets in league though, large amount of toxic players in every elo
Jinx was one of the most fair champs in the game. However, the jinx passive stacking infinitely does make it so 1 or 2 teammates dying early can result in a whole team wipe where nobody else on the team can do anything.
Jinx doesn't pop off like this often, so it doesn't add much total power to the champ, which is what phreak used to justify it saying it's a hype moment for the jinx. However anytime you give a champ an ability that while rare is that unfair, the hype moment for jinx is just terrible for everyone on the other team who could literally do nothing about it.
Stun her….. point and click stun gg like what 😂
@@Callaway226 you don't even need to stun her, just breath at her. She is an adc, they die tona stray fart.
Based Morello for stopping the untold/unheard abominations that could have been shipped live.
morello saw modern league coming from a mile away btw
The interesting thing about the terrain changes is that tonnes were tried in Taliyah that it begs the idea of why even still ask about?
I wish that they created a bigger divide on the use-cases for jinx Q. I played her a ton in previous seasons, the biggest tell between a good and bad jinx player was how they used her Q. With the change that let her build more attack speed with rockets, now you can just sit in rocket form all of the time. Personally I wish they would've ever lowered the attack speed bonus more and gave it higher % damage instead of only 110%, making it actually feel more like a rocket launcher instead of a slightly slower machine gun that shoots rockets. Or like imagine if her rockets used a similar logic to jhin passive where building attack speed just gave rockets more damage, but she was locked into lower attack speed while using it (just came up with that on the spot but that actually sounds really fuckin cool lol), also probably increase the AOE to make it more different than minigun. Not only would it reward good jinxes more, but if her minigun was needed in more cases for DPS then her lower range would be a bigger weakness, and if her rocket DPS for single target was lowered, then I think it'd actually make her not only a more unique character, but also, possibly more importantly, it'd make her more difficult to play.
You could argue that the jhin passive idea on rockets would conflict with her passive, which might be true to a slight extent, but if you make it only work with bonus attack speed, since her passive gives total attack speed, it could bypass that restriction (and her passive is, I believe, the only thing in the entire game that gives total attack speed increase at the moment).
League captures the playin with action figures vibe. But in a way thats super adrenaline filled and addictive. Thats the whole vibe with league.
Also wild rift can be ported to console. That would capture more players.
Wild Rift could definitely be on console considering Smite already is.
yeah man having it instantly stack was a totally needed change that makes the game more fun! crazy how since morello has been gone the game has gotten so bad
10:52 when the weed kicks in :P j/k
I cant fathom how people might think that Jinx is broken. She is overtuned in numbers, but straightforward in such a way that most ADCs in comparison have more frustrating aspects. She lacks insane abilities, doesnt have an oppressive laning phase and her passive can be played around.
Lol bro even if you cripple the jinx in lane she can win any team fight it’s a the bullshit passive we are talking about sure she’s slow but that’s just low elo players dying to stupid shit you can just wait till the hard carry gets one kill then off an assist mind you that procs her passive and now she has more damage than the fed adc because she’s kiting with aoe rockets
Look at it this way: It has been established that if someone on your team is feeding, they should not be worth normal gold. Killing someone who's 0/9 might only give 120 gold instead of 300. If Jinx kills someone who's 0/9, she becomes a Greek demigod and wipes your entire team for the sin of having a feeder.
If anyone on your team fucks up against a competent Jinx, you lose the fight automatically. She gets to break the attack speed cap and absolutely mow everyone down, plus becoming the hyperspeed nightmare that Zeri used to embody. It isn't fun being punished for a teammate feeding in lane, but it's at least not a guaranteed loss. If Jinx kills someone at the start of a fight, there's very little room to do anything.
In pro play she's completely fair because the gate of getting a kill is a very high bar, but in solo queue? All it takes is 1 bad play and Jinx snowballs out of control.
@@Pucnchii I mean sure but Jinx is about the most straight forward and "honest" adc in the game. she has no way of escaping you if you get on top of her, she doesn't really have self peel (traps can situationally be peel if shes in a choke and can make a wall with them) and she does front to back damage. Like people who cry about Jinx are just bad players. If you can get on top of her she has zero counterplay. It's not like a xayah or ezreal or kaisa or draven or varus or zeri. She just dies if you get within melee range of her. She also does horribly vs heavy poke comps as well as very strong engage comps. She's a good champ in solo queue right now partially because people never draft to make strong cohesive team comps that can either reliably combo an engage (camille E R into galio R for ex.) I shit you not the majority of the games I play on Jinx are vs a garage sale comp like Sion nidalee pantheon cait sona or some shit. Most games it's pretty much "avoid literally this 1 guy's engage and I can free hit in most fights"
Also no Jinx will not do more dmg than a fed draven/zeri/cait/varus/draven if she doesn't have the items to make her damage matter. People talk about her rockets so much but rarely in fights does the AOE of the rockets actually matter. Most of the time you are in rocket Q because it is simply not safe for you to be in minigun range. In a perfect idea world you would just sit in minigun q and have optimal DPS but most of the time if the enemy team is smart they will draft and play in a way to try to kill you because an uncontested Jinx in a team fight who isn't behind is going to carry. Saying "even if you cripple jinx in lane she can win any teamfight with her passive" is just silver talk, no offense. Jinx needs to not get blasted in lane, she doesnt need to WIN lane but she needs to at least go even. If Jinx loses tower before 14 min and gets turret down losing multiple waves she will be useless unless she can yoink a kill from her teammates who are doing well in a skirmish. Jinx from behind is miserable. She's not some "oh you don't even need to play or cs well, you just have to exist" adc like you are making it out to be.
People cry about Jinx but the reality is she is arguably the most "honest" adc. No self peel (her traps rarely are enough) and if she gets chunked out early there's no way for her to realistically impact a fight unless her team can carry it 4v5 and she hits a rocket snipe. Not saying she isn't really strong right now because she is, but people cry about her like she's zeri at peak or aphelios at peak levels of OP. She's just a really strong pick and the picks that are normally good against her aren't very strong right now. Caitlyn was strong for a bit but Riot has decided to nerf her. Jinx's laning phase has always revolved around support play. She can't create advantages by herself early on.
@@Wildcat12 "If anyone on your team fucks up against a competent Jinx, you lose the fight automatically."
Sure... if your team drafts like shit and no one picks a point and click lock down or reliable engage to get onto her or at least zone her and she's allowed to free hit front to back then yeah she's gonna win fights for free. This is the issue I have with Jinx complainers. She's not a hard ADC to pick and kill at all. She doesn't have xayah R, Zeri E, Varus R, Ashe R, Trist W, etc. She has nothing. Traps aren't enough to stop someone unless they don't flash to ignore it entirely. Jinx is a very simple straight forward ADC: If her team peels her and gives her space to free hit then she can play. On top of that the enemy team has to either draft no reliable engage tools and/or straight up ignore you every team fight for you to free hit. Sure she snowballs off kills and if someone is behind she can get a reset for free, but that's not why Jinx is good in Solo Queue. She's good in Solo Queue because people don't draft and work as a team and everyone makes solo plays. No one drafts camille galio combo or Vi + jax/renekton/some bruiser with engage or an artillery mage that can follow up, etc. This is why the Jinx complainers annoy me. They'll whine about her passive and how good it is but then they don't say anything in draft or don't try to do anything to make the Jinx's life a living hell early game and then are shocked mid game where she can win fights because A) you have no reliable engage onto her and B) she was allowed to free farm and not be pressured during the early game when she struggles the most. Jinx is very simple: Draft any form of reliable engage and/or don't let her free farm for 15 minutes and you'll find she has a harder time impacting fights in the mid game because of it.
jinx passive is 10x better than trist reset lol
Debateable. One is a surge in Movement spd and Atk Spd only after a kill and the other is a straight up DMG AOE, Long Range Dash, that can be used whenever, resets on kills, and Is semi unstoppable (any CC is applied only after a land besides Knock down effects).
Like Jinx’s Power budget is completely in her Passive for 90% of the game, with the other 7% being in her Ult and the remaining 3% in her Rocket Range. W and E are basically non existent unless paired with other forms of CC, not high dmg abilities either. Compare that to Kaisa who has a basic ability that allows her the ability to Cait Ult for 1k dmg thats on a 4 second CD if she has fingers
Jinx may be indeed not broken but she doesnt need a kill...she just need an assist, or a tower assist....and the "kha can oneshot her" yeah like any other adc, its not an "only her" weakness and also an adc that is alone isn't playing properly...so yeah...not the best defence there 😂
i mean. an adc that is alone is fucking up yes. but the fact that adcs need to play around their team is WHY so many assassins/bruisers have engage ranges longer than adc auto attack ranges. The most agregious examples being
Mordekaiser r is at the SAME RANGE AS CAITLYN.
and ekko e gives him a reach of EIGHT HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE.
Like, if you are struggling to kill a short range, squishy immobile in league 2024, you're be doing something VERY wrong.
Release Zeri was fun. Modern Zeri is more work than Kalista for essentially the same thing
im so mad at what riot did to Zeri. All because she was an adc who retained the ability to actually kite.
Maybe fix the wiki? It says little to nothing important and sometimes straight up misses stuff. Maybe redo the tutorial or add more video guides like dota?
Jinx is stronger than Darius. He gets his passive from killing, Jinx gets it from assists even
More specifically he has to kill with his ult. Though he does also get it if he hits someone 5 times, he is also melee, which limits his effectiveness.
@@angusjohnston7172 and he doesn't get the reset from takedowns when the R is being cast, like Pyke does. Darius is probably the only champion that has a reset skill that's actually well designed
Jinx is not ranged daruis that is an overstatment
right? the delusional takes of some people.
Understatement, reset on jinx is both stronger AND easier to get than on darius
@kraus1860 not stronger. But easier to get sure.
Nothing is going to compete with a up to 250 ad steroid ductaped onto a passive that also does something without the reset.
She is obviously better than Darius, being zoning tools and pick potential from a safe range, while her reset absolutely instawins teamfights a lot of the time.
Darius can only do that as a counterpick to comps with lots of melees or when he gets enchanters with mobility tools for him. (Speed up or dashes like ivern)
Jinx is also fine with an assist, Darius has to get ult for his condition.
Like it’s not even close, how much better jinx reset is.
I will keep saying it, leave jinx normal kit alone and nerf her passive a bit, she is really good at being a high range controll ADC, giving her resets so much power, while she is this safe outside of snap engage and poke champs is kind of crazy.
@@tomwanders6022 jinx reset is fine but daruis passive is straight up one of the strongest passives in the game, it alone stronger than some ultimates the only thing keeping daruis and jinx in check is their imobility
Is LOL dying? Hah people have been saying that since 2015
Chess is still alive
Plz keep the Uwu beanie on Jesus Christ help us all!
Wait he is bald?
The problem with Jnx isnt her Movespeed but ehr Attackspeed on her passiv. She does AoE dmg with her autoattacks and also gets insane atackspeed.
Because ADCs already 1 shot everything in this Game with 3+ Items a fed Jinx can just 1 shot 1 person and then has so much attackspeed and move speed that she can just run down everyone.
I Had Games with Jinx in which I attack with hurricane in a Teamfight and the entire Team dies in 3 Autoattacks. That for sure is a Problem.
So either remove attackspeed from jinx or even better nerf the OP Crit items (IE and LDR) by giving IE 35 instead of 80 AD (its the best scaling Item ingame with its passiv, it doesnt need to be a strong first Item with 80 AD to still be super strong) and reduce LDR Armor pen to a maximum of 30 or if you want it to stay an Item with 40% armor pen to completly destroy Tanks at least make it only good vs Tanks and remove AD completly from it. ATM both Items are just to strong against everything and ADCs 1 shot everything basicly being Assassins with range and without Cooldown (as Autoattacks dont have cooldowns compared to Assassins spells).
Wait, are you real? Smart ADC player?
I understand your feeling, it's sad that ADC slowly become assasins. I have the same problem, but with tanks. When I pick tank, I want to give utility to my team, create space, while being very tanky. But tanks just became something like bruisers? You survive less dmg, Riot nerfed AH on tank items so you lost utility. And for exchange they give tanks damage. Zac damage or Malphite damage is crazy, they aren't even a tank anymore. Games right now is just "who oneshot faster", and if you play something like ChoGath - might as well go afk, you can't do anything against Jinx with 600 MS, and she just nuke you. I have zero idea how ChoGath players stay sane, it almost feels like a troll pick, I would for sure not play this champ and pick Jax instead
@@homyachock " it's sad that ADC slowly become assasins"
Jinx is an assassin to you? Damn we really must be in silver if we are seriously calling Jinx of all ADCs an assassin. If Jinx is allowed to hit your backline for free there are more things you should be concerned with than "JINX OP OMGGGGG"
@@YuYuYuna_ mad?
@@YuYuYuna_ WHo talked about jinx hitting the backline.
I said ADCs "assassinate" the frontline.
A full build tank cant survive even 3 secodns against a full build Crit ADC ina teamfight if the ADC doesnt positions complatly horrible.
Thats also why the ADC problem is even higher on higher elos then like SIlver, as Silver ADCs most likely just run in, dont kite and die.
Also no Iam not SIlver. MY Elo differes from Season to Season, but have basicly been low to high plat /low dia every year since season 4, and every season ADC got mroe and more op.
I Still rememebr the ADC rework which I think was somewhere around season 5.
After that ADC was broken, bcs ADC went from 20% crit per Itme to 25%, got mroe AD, dmg and lifesteal. Before ADCs only went 4 offensiv Items and 1 defensiv Item (mostly GA, which gave 40 armor/ mr). since the ADC rework adc was so op that they didnt needd to go for an defensiv Item, as they did so much Dmg that life steal just made them more tanky.
And this problem power creeped even more.
So yeah you can be mad if youg et 1 shoted as an ADC, as its the ONLY counterplay that exists to ADC. But ADC 1 shots everyone else, especially front liners, which is why top laners dont even build defense Items anymore and instead play stuff liek full lathality aatrox instead.
But it would be muc more healthy if ADC would lose a lot of dmg, as then as a response other Roles could start to build more defense again, giving up DMG in the proces and as a result everyone wouldnt just explode anymore.
Jinx is not so frustrating to go against, theres bigger problems in this game, like LDR giving 40% Armor Pen
Hate to break it to you, but LDR needs to give 40% Armor Pen because you can only build one Armor Pen item. For some reason you ban build any number of magic pen items so that MR doesn't matter, but armor is protected as a stat. This game balance team just has no idea what they are doing . Try playing Graves against a full armor Malphite, I'm sure you wouldn't be making this comment.
@@Agdem_ Uhh yeah cause Malphite is supposed to counter AD champs specially Graves, Trundle wouldnt have that much trouble vs Malphite, the game is more deep than "huh, i cant do damage against a tank that built to counter me".
Crazy how the designers try to break the game constantly
August even admitted he dreamed about it.
Thank god for leads
Jinx is gated by beeing immobile unlike Darius who has 15 dashes and more range
No wonder the game is so shit when u have a champion designers and balance dev with this much aids.
In no world is Tristana W better than Jinxs passive.
so much shit in this game and people are complaining avout jinx of all things? lol
🤓☝️She's not strong if she doesn't get a single kill/assist/tower/objective within proximity of any enemy. 🤓☝️ LMAO
Some champs are strong in high elo, some in low elo.
Some in the pro scene, some in soloQ.
Game still sucks no matter how you spin it because it's just optimal boring dogshit.
you had 28 minutes of her being the weakest person on the map. maybe you should, idk. not let the late game hyper scaling adc reach the late game?
imagine crying a squishy immobile with no reliable hard cc has a movement speed steroid if she gets a take down, in league 2024. christ sake. it doesn't get more fair than that.
meanwhile we have bruisers who dash, and get movement speed for dashing xD
I knew he had cancer
wait what
Jinx IS broken. The fact that she can stay PERMA in rocket mode and got THAT much range permanently while also dealing aoe damage.. is not balanced. It's op. She need to either not be able to be PERMA in rocket mode, either to lose some range, either she don't deal aoe damage. The most balanced choice would be to make her not be able to stay permanently in rocket mode and being able to outrange almost every single adc in the game permanently. The only adc who match her range are caitlyn, twitch in R and I think tristana in the late game. Caitlyn being the only one that match her range permanently, twitch need to R and trist need to be in the late game.. cait in designed around that range.. jinx not. Jinx is just op.
80% of the entire roster is op
#IamsilverandIcantdraftViGalioNautCamille
Jinx is not broken. You are low elo if you think that. Bot lanes (namely supports since they dictate lane) don't draft 2v2s that can punish her early game weakness and people don't draft champs that can reliably get ontop of her. Literally try playing Jinx vs camille/galio/vi/naut/jax combos with any assassin. She will die every team fight. Jinx's weakness is countering her weaknesses and those being: She is immobile, has zero self peel (traps mean nothing vs champs that can dash around them or flash over them) and she needs a frontline to give her space so she can hit. She's primarily auto-based in her damage. If she cannot get into range she won't carry fights. She also has no ability to stop people from getting on top of her. The reality is in Solo Queue people don't even attempt to counter pick and draft vs the enemy champs locked in and so there's many games as Jinx where you can just free hit every team fight because not a single person on the enemy team picked something that can punish your immobility and also the enemy support either didn't pick anything to win lane or they played too passive or the JG didn't come to punish her immobility when the wave pushes out. Jinx is only as strong as the laziness of solo queue players. If you draft nothing to engage onto her and don't punish her weak laning phase then big shocker she's going to be a strong threat come mid game.
@@YuYuYuna_ You are delusional if you think Jinx isn't op. It's op in high elo too
jinx is at 725 range with her q at max rank, so level 9+. im going to give you a small list of "melee" champions with ranges longer than 725 on their engage tools.
aatrox q1 + e 1225
olaf q 1000
camille e 1600
camille e + r 2025
akali e 825
blitzcrank q 1115
diana e 825
ekko e 825
hecarim r 1510
jarvan flag and drag 800
kled q 800
malphite r 1000
And this isnt even close to all of them, or even the most aggregious, outside of camille. like if you are struggling to kill a short range glass cannon in league 2024, you're doing something very very very wrong.
@@einjharrelraca bro put kled q XD
If they keep shitting on their current loyal playerbase with bad decisions over and over LoL will die within 5~10 years.
Since LoL isnt getting new players they should do the best to keep the current players interested, yet the stuff we get are 500$ skins.
$500 skins aren't the issue. Unless that $500 skin is impacting gameplay itself, then yea makes sense. I just think people are just mad they can't get a skin with faker plastered all over it. Purely cosmetic and impacts the gameplay 0. It's people like Phreak constantly telling the playerbase off like the players are shit.
@@N_May1 i mean the players are shit, don't pretend they aren't. But you can't tell them they are shit because the last thing want to tell the average gamer is that they need to get better.
I smell gold 4 vibes from your comment
Bro not to hate but lol has the higher player base rn than any other year even when you plays as a child 😂😂
@@chevoyingram9589True but the problem lies when you tell a large percentage of your player base that they have to get better as an excuse for something being unfun. You can’t really tell your player base that for them to have fun they have to put in a certain amount of hours. Many people will just go play a game that fun that doesn’t have a barrier of entry before they allowed to have fun.
They lowkey needa bring back mythics, give the game a little more pop to bring new players. Not many kids nowdays wanna play less bursty slow games
That's the dumbest take i've ever read.
Let's throw the balance of the game completely off the rails so that we lure new kids in, and then we lose both our old playerbase and the new kids that get bored after a while and leave anyway
Both mythics and the game being Super High in DMG were things the community absolutely hated
I agree buff Katarina kassadin twitch all flashy champions bring back lethal tempo and the game will be more attractive to watch and more clips
What the fuck are you even saying. There's still an absolute shit ton of damage in the game right now. Games are still ending around 25 minutes. If your games are slow that's because you're either bad or picking champs that do nothing in the early game.
@@Al-tanin the game has just as much damage as mythics rn if not more
League has all the hallmarks of a dying game sadly. Might not be there quite yet but as people age out of the game if new players aren't coming in it will die.
my thing about that is are we speaking from purely an English-speaking western perspective? Because maybe the consensus in NA and EU is that it’s dying or that even could be dying there. I don’t know enough about China or Korea to say otherwise but I would think it’s probably not dying in those regions. they are much more lucrative anyways especially China
@boyboynova nope, even in China and Korea they are having a hard time getting new players. It's a worldwide thing.
is DotA dying
is WoW dying
if something is dying for extended amount of time it might be not actually dying
@@truetichma wow gets new players still.
@@truetichma i mean. wow is litteraly dying. they are hemorrhaging players to other mmos.