The 2024 Kawasaki Ninja 500 is... Disappointing
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It seems like more likely they're trying to phase out the all smaller liter in favor of the half liter parallel twin
Yammie we need the zx12r. It will be a Busa killer😮
@@AnytimeAnyplaceZx10 and what wrong with ZX14R.
ZX4-RR is ending? Good news for me! Love mine
@@duck8280 No there 2024 model out but the giveaway has ended
All I know is that yammi had some hate for the 400 and the zx4r and they both turned out to be great bikes... sooo yammi words in one ear and out the other
he's a critic and content creator it's wierd to express that you have any desire to relate to his work beyond just that? like are you actually going around taking other adult mens word for gospel on anything?
it's an open conversation and for the record yammie's positivity about the ninja 400 is the reason I'm about to buy the platform which - he is right - makes way more sense as a product than the ninja 500....I already have a hayabusa why would anyone ever need a 500? what is that even for lol and it doesnt look any different than any other current kawasaki
@@williamrobinson4265well there’s a thing called experience, like if I say to someone “Dodge Hemis are big shit” you could take my word for it because I’ve torn down multiple engines, like isn’t that the whole point of the video? To digest opinions and formulate your own based off the info? The bike hasn’t even come out yet, this guy isn’t buying a ninja 500 just cause he said it was bad. Go relax man, there’s other people than just you.
Both the Ninja 500 and Ninja 400 rev to the same limit.
If you look at the TFT display and just any picture of the ninja 400 display you’ll see that it goes as follows:
Ninja 400: 0k-11k (11k-13k redline)
Ninja 500: 0k-11k (11k-14k redline)
So it actually has a higher rev limit despite both hitting the rev limiter at the same spot (11k)
@@benmeyers9325and yammie isnt even fully right, he said the ninja 500 would redline at 10k-10.5k even though the display SHOWN IN THE VIDEO shows that it redlines at 11k just like the ninja 400 (and actually goes to 14k in total, 400 goes to 13k)
kind of I would also question your experience with like any other engine because if youve only taken apart dodge hemis you dont know shit about engines
I honestly got no clue what you are talking about tho LOL idk man you seem pissed off@@benmeyers9325
Idk, maybe because its my first bike ever but...im in love with my 2024 Ninja 500 ABS. I got it brand new for $7k out the door and ride it every single chance I get. I adore this bike. I never feel myself wanting for more speed, better braking, better handling, etc. It just does everything I want it to do. I love it.
I’m looking into getting one tomorrow as well! Going for the white color!
I’m also getting it as my first bike ever, it’s gonna be in all black, can’t wait.
I got a ninja 500 as my 3rd bike and I can tell you it is by far my favorite. Don't let these "critics" tell you it's not an awesome bike. It all comes down to your ride style and the kind of riding you'll be doing but this bike is a phenomenal jack of all trades
Im getting one soon myself
Just got mine yesterday. Rode all day today and was so worth it man
I like that they don’t only make green motorcycles thts just me.. I hope more companies start coming out with new color schemes it adds a sort of mystery to the biking scene.. like you won’t know what someone’s riding unless you ask or know your stuff
I personally want to see at least 3 unique color schemes for the models. Like sure keep a green one, but give us different things too. Purple would be interesting. The green is so... underwhelming.
@@thatoneguy3032 PURPLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEE, it's been following me. All I can think about is a purple bike 😂
Or read the side of the bike lol
Kawasakis can definitely be red if they pull it off right. Look at the classic Ninja 250 in red with the purple accents. Or the older Ninja 500 with the diagonal stripes.
🤮🤮
@@jacobg6528 Here's a bucket for you. 🪣
i mean sure the green ninja is absolutely classic but I wouldn't buy one, just not my style. The new red and black 500 se looks sick though
As a 6’2 200lbs guy I see this as an absolute win
same here bro same here
I’m getting my first bike at 6’2 170 lbs, I was worried the 400 might be too tiny but everyone my size says it’s fine. So a litttttle bigger sounds like a win to me too. Same price too? Yeah I’m probably going with the 500
im 6'4" 195lbs. I think the seat height on the 400 and 500 are exactly the same. people are saying in the comments the rev limits for both bikes is still the same. I think yammie had mentioned some other 500 felt porky, wide, heavy. I'm just wondering if you can throw around the 500 the same way you could with the 400. I suppose if it's a little heavier it might not feel as nimble but that would be my only complaint/concern.
So basically it’s “disappointing” because of government regulations.
Yep just whining and belly aching
well like the question is begged why would the engineers even bother making such a useless category besides plain old capitalist overproduction and senseless competition between these companies not even producing useful products for consumers just competing with eachothers product lines
@@CloverDaBunni Because government regulations never change? Permanent? Last forever?
No not really. I recall a president who occupied a government office merely 4 years ago getting rid of a lot of regulations.
@@williamrobinson4265 Is it truly capitalism, if the currency is loaned?
@@exothermal.sprocketit’s not regulations but programs that last forever
just got a ninja 500 brand new as my first bike 3 days ago. i love it so much im having so much fun with it
Unbiased and unpopular opinion: "The CBR500R is a good bike"
It’s a good beginner bike. I had mine for a year then traded for a ZX10R. Not every starter bike needs to be a fun light bike. The cbr with its weight prepped me for heavier bikes
It's too heavy for It's own good
Dude I love mine
Biased and popular opinion: "The CBR500R is so boring I almost slept while riding it"
The CBR 500 ABS is the best beginner bike out there. From an experienced rider's perspective, it's still an excellent ride. Exciting? No. Razor sharp, comfortable, utilitarian and good looking? You bet.
Seems like saying "beginner bikes" are boring or not hi revving or not agressive enough is a strange sentiment. Weight (which you said) body position, ease of use, cost, maintenance ect. are the important aspects for people starting out.
I really despise the term. It's too limiting.
They are small displacement bikes. They are price-conscious bikes, in a international economy that makes a dozen eggs cost nearly $5 currently. It's not like money goes anywhere.
But people who've reached middle age perhaps and have gotten all the horsepower junky out of their systems, would like a second smaller bike, or just experience something light, peppy, something they can crank the throttle and use all the power. It's an option. Sure the suspension and brakes aren't going to be like the bigger bikes, due to price point.
You can learn a lot about motorcycles by riding the wheels off a smaller bike, even as an expert.
For years I rode a 1992 EX-500. It was a competent bike, but it was old and worn out when I had it and there were weird little quirks it had. I once got pulled over going 94 in a 65 on it, and got off with a verbal warning. It was, however, red!
I don't know, I don't mind black and red on a Kawi, it's like the elite ninja..
I had a old ninja 500, actually 2, and I loved them, and I feel like this is kind of a spot in their face
No i have to disagree, i love my Red and Black bikes, i am a Kawasaki boy and wish we could get better colors other than their Green
Same horsepower, a bit more torque, but 5kg heavier, I would rather have the ninja 400, its lighter, which is the main advantage of small capacity bikes, but I'm not surprised that its heavier, most modern bikes are porkier than their older siblings, its like bikes are going backwards.
The 400 has 44 horsepower, the 500 is 60, the 650 (i think) is 73.
Each bike has a different rating, I think we'll see kawasaki offer super nuanced entries, and the average rider will just pick whatever the biggest bike is that people recommend for beginners.
tf are you talking about, ninja 500 has 45 cv, still under 35 kw
@@jonathanlunger2775
@@jonathanlunger2775 The ninja 500 has a claimed 44.7hp, all you're getting is a bit more torque and a bit more weight.
@@benjy288 For market targets, it will be limited to 47 peak HP (factory) if it reaches it.
Lighter by 12-14 pounds…
You don’t think it will be a flash tune away from more power like all the other A2 compliant bikes that are sold in other markets?
The r4 is not farfetched. Its definitely coming after the partnership with cfmoto, i believe yamaha has its interest on the 450cc engine
Being able to rev out the 400 is the best part of the bike. Lowering the redline is a huge L by Kawasaki
And adding 5kg of extra weight
Tuners will unlock it, and it will have the revs and more hp than the 400.
@@giovanhagar Not a reality :(
@@HelmutGaming hell im like 6'2" and 250 on my ninja 400 just bought it 2 months ago and im still having a blast. seat sucks though. i fill the whole thing
The Ninja 400's that have been bored out to 450cc are capable of HP in the mid 50's to mid 60's to the wheel depending on spec. Plus, Kawasaki is known for electronically neutering its bikes to meet emissions and noise requirements let alone the A2 standard common in other markets. It is too early to tell what the performance potential of the bike is but I would not write it off as being the same or worse than the previous model.
I don’t think the Ninja 650 will continue. It hasn’t been competitive for a long time and if they really did sell the engine design then we’ll likely see a 700ish 270 degree crank to match the field. I also remember a couple years ago you hated the Ninja 400 on paper for the extract same reasons as the 500 now
he's always changing his mind, don't see the point of crapping on something before you've ridden it.
@@rotm4447 How long ago he put out a video about the GSX-8S saying IS LAME and BORING.. fast forward to all the reviews, people tuning it and getting big power, people running on race tracks already, lots of people believing it's the best bike in that class.....
And the ironically lauded RS660 is praised and loved, and their engines exploding left and right (just ask MotoAmerica racing teams).
What about the tuning capabilities of the new ninja? Do you think it could be a decent lower cc project?
Seems like SO many people put on an exhaust and tune on their bikes. Wouldn’t the 500 be more receptive to power gains than the 400? For track use only of course…
Ding ding ding.
Crazy how many of you joe schmos hop on these bikes and speed all around town making the rest of us look bad.
@@jacobg6528 sure I can do that for you
I'm curious about something you said, you mention these bikes getting bloated and heavier but the weight differences between the 400 and 500 are pretty negligible. So the added torque with minimal weight gain should really only be positive, no?
Thanks Yammie , i just ordered mine!
Seen this in person yesterday. It's a bump in capacity to make it through new euro regs with same performance. It's still budget and looks it. Was a good opportunity to match the 450sr. The Chinese are coming and the big four just aren't paying attention.
I've heard a lot of people say that, about emission regs.
It is not same performance.
It has to maintain max power so it remains A2 license compatible.
All the extra cc go to torque.
With the weight almost the same that makes for much better performance where it matters to those who don't ride in the engine red zone often.
@@christosswc Its 5kg heavier
Are they coming with that Chinese quality?
@@benjy288 3kg from what I recall, 171 vs 168.
@@christosswc The official kawasaki website says it weighs 166kg for the abs version, and 164 for the non abs version
Do u think u will still do a ride and review of the 500 in the future?
Red Kaws are just nostalgia grabs for some people. Like the yellow Yamahas. More options for consumers in the end I guess.
Little bike energy used to be a real thing. In the 90's a friend of mine had a Honda NSR 250. That bike was so good. 120mph on the motorway comfortably while carrying me as pillion. The good old days
I had a 06 636 SE. The red wheels with the champagne color looked good to me. Wasn't a fan of the tribal scheme, but it fit the period. Was different from a black bike and wasn't a 'look at me!' color 👌
Remember the pearl orange 636? My fucking dream bike. I had that bike and absolutely loved it. That shit was scary fast.
For sure, only saw one. I liked the metallic blue back then, but the SE fell into my lap. They definitely ripped, vmax mine once and never did it again 😄
Even before then, you had the Kawasaki GPZ 550. I had 2 of them, and they were a blast to ride...
Amazing bikes!
The z900 red and black looks fantastic in person...just saying...
With the gold badging ?
Looking forward to this.
Both the Ninja 500 and Ninja 400 rev to the same limit.
If you look at the TFT display and just any picture of the ninja 400 display you’ll see that it goes as follows:
Ninja 400: 0k-11k (11k-13k redline)
Ninja 500: 0k-11k (11k-14k redline)
So it actually has a higher rev limit despite both hitting the rev limiter at the same spot (11k)
From a european prospective, since i am restricted by the a2 but i want to have something i can go 180+ (kmh) on autobahn AND want the bigger bike look something like this ninja 500 isnt too bad. Becouse truth be told as much fun as bikes are to ride everyone wants something that in theyr own eyes looks cool and for lots of people a beefy sportbike looks amazing, so this is kinda the sweetspot
I think the red is fine, if done right. However, the black and Grey with green accents is my favorite looking bike of all time
I have a red Kawasaki Z 400. But that’s OK. I just peeled off all the stickers now it’s mostly black with a little bit of red trim. I am sinful, cursed, and bazaar.😂 but I try to do the right things
The market is bazaar.
You clearly don’t know what bazaar means
Yamaha should bring out an R5.
An R4 don’t make sense
R1, R3, R5, R7, R9 makes more sense.
LOL I had a ‘95 Ninja500 possibly the last year they still listed them as EX500. It was not an only ugly red, but had a cheesy purple 90’s swish. 😖I got it for a steal as a left back in late Summer of ‘97. Fortunately the electric boogie swish came off super easy. 😅
Im disappointed it still doesn't use upside down forks like the r3 I also wish they would update the z900 to ride by wire along with the zx6r it feels like Kawasaki is doing the bare minimum when it comes to updating their bikes
They sort of make their money on ships, trains, mining equipment, gas turbine engines. Motorcycles, especially in the USA, isn't their primary means for existence.
@@exothermal.sprocket yep im aware of that. Its one of the reason they were able to make the h2r they leveraged the extra resources they had from Kawasaki heavy industries but either way it isn't an excuse for not updating bikes the same could be said about Yamaha as their main focus also isn't bikes yet they update their bikes and manage to keep similar pricing like with the new mt09 generation they gave it ride by wire tft and auto blipper for barley any price increase yet kawasaki wont update the z900 their flagship naked not counting the zh2
I'd like to see you pick one up and make some content about it. I kust picked up a Ninja 500 and its a great bike. I'm looking forward to possibly tuning it to unlock maximum power at some point.
First of the Ninjas was the 250,300,400 and now back to 500 that they had years ago. The older 500 was likely more practical being an all rounder more than full on sport bike, and it had a centre stand on it.
Can Kawa now finally start putting the 400cc motor in the versys x, and Yamaha should build a 300cc tenere
Would you recommend this bike if you don’t have a 400? For a starter bike
yes
I hope Yamaha make an mt04 and make the torque lower down in the rpm range instead of having to rev it out to get that torque
I liked you man... I liked your comments and POV. I m not alone in this universe anymore, now I know!
They make those changes (increase displacement and better electronics for example) in oder to extend the producycle until it comes to its end. Then they will dump the ninja and make a whole new ninja concept. Maybe fully electronic and the Lifecaycle starts from the beginning.
Strange thing is that a gpz500s allready had 60 hp if i am correct. And now its only 45?
Inline 4 vs ptwin
My 2018 ninja 650 has over 70k miles and still runs good , my first bike and a great commute bike
So I’m guessing they don’t sell the Ninja 300 anymore? I’m looking all over and can’t find one..I just got my Moto license and I really wanted one for my first bike😕
Yeah.. I'm still on my Svarty 401almost 25,000 kms in 3 yrs (thanks to Yam) and want to upgrade, but I love this fun lil bike so much I'm worried about losing something if/when I do upgrade...
That's a hard bike to let go off. The Svarty 401 is awesome.
@@Bugsideproblem is test riding gives you just a very basic glimpse into the bike. It's to detect serious potential problems, like riding position, comfortability, etcetera. But sadly you never know until you're stuck with the new bike. Some experience with different bikes helps though.
@@lucascarracedo7421 I think they're all valid points. I know I will fall in love with something bigger. But at what cost? I run my bike pretty hard, it's relatively cheap to own, and keeps within sane speed limits. I prefer handling over power, but of course.. I want power lol
@@depechemoto most times I find smaller bikes are more fun as you can use all of what they can offer on a daily basis.
Bigger bikes sometimes mean you never go above second gear. Which is fine in some cases, and they are great for track day stuff. But that usually comes with more weight and bigger sizes.
Could it be fixed with an ECU aftermarket performance upgrade? Is it just tuned down to meet regulations? So many questions! 😅❤
I had red on my kawi ripped it off ordered the green ones same day added 5% ponypowers
I wanna know what these 500s can be flashed to in means of hp and tq
A friend of mine told me once that red is actually Kawasaki's original color.
Not sure if that's true but if so...
Yes, until 1969. The Daytona 200 was televised in color and Kawasaki wanted their bikes and riders to stand out more.
Green was used for racing. It was said, due to superstition that using green colors was bad luck, Kawasaki used lime green on their bikes in competition to intimidate the competition. It stuck since then.
red was on the old gpz 2 stokes 350 500 etc GREEN was the MX line your welcome. just ask an old guy that rides..
You sounded in love with the ninja 400 in that review.. wouldn’t 52 more cc better look upgrades be a good thing? You have a complete different energy with this bike over the N400
The Kawasaki ninja 500 curb weight is literally 15lbs heavier than the 400. With a new exhaust system you are going to even out the weight with the ninja 400 and still have more power
A 300, a 400, a 600 and now a 500?
Give me the good ol' days when we had a small bike (300ish), a 600 and either a 900 or1000! That's all you need! Small, Medium and Large!
If you've ever ridden a 300/400 on the highway the little bit of added weight on the 500 is a good thing.
My 2014 Cbr500r has been great to me. Bought it 2015 w/ 1500 miles on it. It has close to 70,000 miles now and still runs great. The only issue I've had is the forks leaking oil.
To me it's like the Honda Accord of motorcycles. It's reliable, looks decent and gets good gas mileage. But it's also kinda boring.
If your main thing is practicality and just want a reliable bike to get to work and back comfortably and aren't interested in winning any races or doing wheelies and don't weigh more than 225-ish lbs then the cbr500r would be a great bike for you.
I agree with you 100%.
I think the worse thing about it is they called it a 500. If it was called a 451 it would be allot cooler. Just name the bike the actual cc. Just like the Z900RS should be called a Z948rs.
Exactly!
I bought a used 2023 Z400 with low mileage for many of the reasons you mentioned. It fits a sweet spot for me between a 250cc and 650-800cc bike. The high-revving engine sings right up to its 12k redline and is a of fun to ride. I thought the bump up to the Z500 would begin to compromise the small bike experience that I wanted. It’s always more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow. Personally, I also prefer the sharper styling of the Z400 which doesn’t reach the over-the-top styling of bikes such as larger Z-series options, all KTM’s, current Yamaha MT-series, etc.
This is a re-upload right
I can see how the ninja 400, 500, and 650 are hitting pretty niche markets relative to each other, but clumping the zx6 in with those is crazy. Zx6 is in a different ballpark compared to the other 3.
I could see them bumping the ninja 650 to 750cc to align with the rest of the market making a parallel twin 750 like the Honda Hornet.
Be interesting to see you get your hands on a new Ninja 500 and an old Ninja 500 and put them head to head.
The old ex 500 would stomp the new ones ass
I was thinking about getting the Ninja 500 or the Ninja 650 for my first motorcycle. What do ya'll think? 500 or 650?
I actually like the weight gain.the 400 is SO light the wind is rough on it. I say that as highway riding would suck on it. This makes it a TAD better in that regard. I ALSO like the additional torque down low so i wouldn't have to rev AS hard at every light in order to keep in front of traffic. Im HOPING they detuned it for the European market though because if it adds a few more horses I'm getting one.
Why would they detune? The bike is already made for A2 compliance. The power output is the limit of that compliance category wich is 35KW (roughly 48HP), perfect power output in my opinion. Will remain the leader in this segment I believe. Also it won't get much more weight where you will notice a difference, it's only more 5Kg wich if you think that they add about 50cm3 of displacement it's not that bad. I owned a 2018 Ninja 400 for the past year for my first bike and I am getting this one new for 2024, it's the perfect bike for my needs and skill level. Such a balanced and sweet machine
@@pedrofp__ cause yall getting ripped off. If you buy a new Honda. Make sure your welds don't look like they were done by a 7 year-olds. Also. Enjoy those halogen bulbs !! 2023 they can't even give you LEDs lol
@@jacobg6528 tf you talking about? There is no halogen bulbs, it’s LED. Even my 2018 Ninja 400 had LED.
Do you even know what is halogen?
Also the Honda CBR500R wich is the rival to this bike costs a few more euros in my country, and for the looks and performance I rather go with the ninja.
@sara1va they're not lol. A friend bought a 2021 ninja. Not leds
@@pedrofp__ go look at the Enduro line honda has. None have leds. Google honda frame welds.
Kawasaki 300 to 500 models are all approx 168 kg in my market and that's good because you still get a light bike but with more power/torque., subject to any restrictions of course.
I was gonna get the 400 as my first bike but as this new 500 was announced I thought I’d get it instead. My biggest selling point is the low price for the newer features am I wrong to buy it over the 400? I’d really like to see you get your hands on a 500 and review it
i mean the 500 is the same price so get the 500
but if you ecu flash it at a couple other squid mods would it be better?
I had a Kawi Mach III two-stroke H1F and it was a slow dog !
YOOOOOOO Does anyone think they're gonna release a 24 400? the dealerships near me are out of 23s and said they aren't going to get anymore
Isn't the ninja 500 still the lightest bike in its class by far? Actually the z500 is lighter.
In my opinion the red Z500 looks good but I agree that red isn't a kawasaki color.
I’m sure the manufacturers are waiting with bated breath to hear what yammie noob has to say about what they should produce 😂.
As a smaller rider 5’7 150 I want the 500cc bikes as a chance to beat all my 400cc and 300cc friends as they are all like 6’0 170+ and I feel the power to weight would even it out to make me be able to get the edge in a race unless my math isn’t mathing
Yami can you do a gs310 review thanks
Haha I have a red 07 ninja 250 commuter a red and black track day 06 ninja 250 and a red and black z900rs. I think they all look great!
I am thinking about the Z500 for my first bike. I am 6’4 about 185. I figured it would work with my height and I want to daily it to work some days. I work 50 miles from home. Would this be a good bike?
Just get a 400 its cheaper and the same as the 500
Youd be paying extra just for accessories straight line my 400 has already beat plenty of 500s off the lot. Same horsepower 1 just comes in at 9k while the 400 is at the 10k rpms
No point spending more when you can get a used 400 for way cheaper
The very first Kawasaki Ninja (GPZ) came out was black with red with a little silver.
Honda should add 2 more cylinders and an extra "r" to the next cbr500r. Compete with Kawis zx4rr
I would buy this
Sir i read the rules for the sweepstakes for the H2, ZX4-RR and XSR900 and it states the period is february 2023 to september 2023 are you scamming me sir?
it says this for the xsr900
Here to say, now that the 500 is out, I don't think this aged well at all. Especially based on people riding them reactions
oh....and I absolutely love red Kawis!
Yammie does know that the Honda 500 is only 471cc? He criticizes the Ninja 500 for being 451cc, but the engine horsepower is the same as the Honda 471cc and the Ninja is 50 pounds lighter.
I’m getting the aprilia rs457 when it drops
I don't agree on CB 500 series being boring, boring are the people driving it boringly, but I defiantly agree on the Red Kawa thing not being attractive.
In isolation, perhaps not. When smaller engines are quicker and more peppy, perspective changes with it.
that r4 looked so nice
i had a kawasaki kz550 lol sounded awesome but was super slow lol
Honda: What took you guys so long?
I was going to get a used 2021 ninja 650 for my first bike but I just called the dealership today and it sold recently, so now I guess this is what im going with.
This is exactly what happened to me.
@@arcflash8066 I ended up going to that dealership to buy a 500, and they told me that they had just gotten in another used 650, so I got that
I think this engine lends itself to the eliminator better than the ninja platform better. On a quasicrusier this engine is GREAT and makes a ton more sense. My eliminator 450 is a cool bike but in a sport bike layout i feel like it could be a bit boring.
Why would it not be disappointing? You’ve got a 400 4-cylinder and 400 twin offering. The ZX-6 and Ninja 650 still exists. My god, how many times are they going to re-invent the wheel?
U clearly aren't old enough to understand things
If they really wanted to make a 500 model they should have given it something like 60hp and sell an A2 compliant model for the same price of the old Ninja 400 with the option to unlock it later on, but i totally agree with you, in it's state, it's an incredibly stupid bike
If you don't know the difference between a Ninja 650 and Zx6r...the last thing you should be worried about is the speed of said motorcycle ijs
And you shouldn't be a buyer to either
I agree with that
And we can't even get a Versys 400!
Will the Ninja 400 still be produced, or is it raplaced by the 500?
Kawasaki is cannibalizing there own lines fucking stupid if I was a new rider I would just go with ZX4 as a starter bike and mod it to go from 130 to 150 miles per hour. There is no point in buying a ninja 500(451) or a 650 there is no point. The new stater bike is the ZX4 now.
i have a RED ninja 650 from 2016, take it or leave it
5:47 Holy shit a 1000cc MT-03 looking bike 😂😂 love it ❤
Weight difference will actually be negligible- the z400 is 364lbs and the z500 is 366-368lbs. But I agree- torque and power won’t be profoundly different- people will just get hyped I’m on having a “500”
One thing is for sure- this new style looks a lot better than the current z400s.